The Tight End Problem -- What Should The Giants Do?
by Ed Valentine on Aug 31, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintWith Kevin Boss gone to the Oakland Raiders one of the primary areas of interest since the New York Giants began training camp several weeks ago has been how, or if, they could replace the player who started at tight end for them the past three seasons.
Results have not really been encouraging. Travis Beckum has just two catches, and has drawn the wrath of head coach Tom Coughlin and offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride for not running correct routes. We know Beckum will never be a blocker, so he has to be a pass catcher. This is his third year in the system. If he can't understand what he is being asked to do and run correct routes by now, you have to wonder when that will ever happen.
Bear Pascoe has to be a solid blocker, and he really has not been at either fullback or tight end thus far. Whatever the reason, he has been disappointing. Jake Ballard has looked OK, and had a nice catch Monday against the New York Jets, but I would be surprised if the Giants think of him as a primary tight end option.
Daniel Coats and Christian Hopkins were not factors Monday and don't look to have legitimate chances of making the team.
If you can go by Monday's results, the Giants seem to have figured out how to utilize some combination of their tight ends and rookie fullback Henry Hynoski to open holes in the running game. It is in the passing attack where the tight end spot has really been problematic.
Coughlin talked Tuesday about the Giants' inability to control the middle of the field with the passing game. That is usually the job of the tight end, and what the Giants had hoped Beckum would be able to do once Boss left for Oakland. Preseason results have not been encouraging. Beckum is rarely targeted, which likely means he is rarely open. He dropped one red zone pass over the middle that, while contested, is a ball a quality tight end must catch.
If Beckum can't do it, what alternatives do the Giants have? Not many good ones right now. The waiver wire is unimpressive. Seattle's John Carlson, a potential trade target with Zach Miller now a Seahawk, is out for the season with an injury.
Maybe someone the Giants see as an upgrade will shake loose when final roster cuts are made this weekend. If not, the Giants will just continue to hope one of the guys on their current roster steps forward.
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a decent young tight end that gets cut.
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by BrettGardnerLF on Aug 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Or give Jake Ballard the damn ball.
How do we know if the guy is capable or not if he’s not been given the chance.! On the one catch on Monday he looked like a football player to me, bumped the LB, ran into the open space, caught the ball, secured it and ran for more YACs. Killdrive should implement more TE plays to Ballard/Bear. IMHO.
He has looked the best so far actually
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Speaks wlle for Ballard
and not very well for the other guys in camp. I thought Bear would be better.
Bear has really taken a step backwards this year imo
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I agree
I never think that there's something I can't do, whether it's beating my opponent one on one or practicing another hour because something about my game is just not right. - Magic
Workout Crumpler
If he is in shape he would be serviceable. Big body, good hands, good locker room presence. Of course he needs to be in shape.
Agreed!
Bring Crumpler in or look around for a good one that gets cut. We need a TE that can make a big catches and block well.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Tight ends on the block
Is there any tight end in other teams on the verge of not making 53.
Anyone from GreenBay,Indy, NE…..they have a very good coaching staff.
GreenBay
Cut TE Spencer Havner.6’5" 250lbs 28 yr old.In 2009 he caught seven passes for 112 yards and four touchdowns.
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
I have inquired about him with GB fans.
Unimpressive at TE, a special teamer who was a Detroit cast-off, now cut by GB.
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IMO
Jake Ballard probably has the most upside,just not sure if he’s ready yet.
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Ballard and Beckum seem to be a good tandem
then we need to search the waivers to get #3. Pascoe is a waste.
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Beckum?
To me, he just does’t seem to fit. Pass catching TE who can’t figure out how to run the right route or make proper adjustments.
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
To me, he does
since we don’t have a true slot WR and he gets open a ton. He also catches everything thrown to him, which is good.
Just needs more time with Eli, something that whole lockout thing prevented. He’ll be a very good player for the offense by midseason.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Not as a TE
if they want to try him in the slot then don’t call him TE make him compete as a WR. Even if they do use him in the slot they still need a TE. He is useless there.
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Nah, he's a TE.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
one that gets open, catches passes and makes plays
doesn’t sound like anything they don’t need.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
When? Where?
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Dude can't get off the line
He gets jammed really easy and doesn’t get into his routes. Time to cut our losses.
that's only happened a few times
and if we cut everyone that happened to, we’d have no receivers or TEs, ever.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and then when he gets off the line
He runs the wrong pattern. If we cut Travis he will be playing for Jim Fassel and not in the NFL. Dude can’t play.
HA!
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes Becks is a very soft player to be a TE
but he is also still an asset in the passing game and valuable to us but he’s soft, no way around it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
considering how he runs after he makes a catch
calling him soft is like calling Bradshaw soft.
He’s not a big TE, sure. But soft? LOL.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
"calling him soft is like calling Bradshaw soft"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHA LMFAO……… you just compared AB’s toughness to Beckums, you have officially lost it, and how does he run after the catch sir??
how did you determine this? by his hundreds of yards of YAC and broken tackles he has amassed in his imaginary HOF career that you seem to be the only one to have witnessed
Dude is soft from his interviews to his play, but he still is very valuable, dont get it twisted but he plays soft, no doubt about it.
Hold on i have to laugh at you comparing Bradshaw’s toughness to Beckums again…..LMAO, man i never thought u would go that far. You often make my day…..LOLOLOL.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
have you ever watched the guy play, once?
please, get a clue.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Bekum sucks, and you compare his toughness to 44.
Please.
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R44
has been on Beckum’s nut sack for 2+ seasons. He must have access to Giants coaches game film because he sees things that no one sees. Not even Eli.
by GMen56-11 on Aug 31, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh yea
wanting the team to use a player on the team effectively is on the nut sack. Seeing how he actually blocks instead of going with the hoards who say he can’t block is on the nut sack.
For all this “realist” talk….lot of ‘going with the pack’ type of knowledge….
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"wanting the team to use a player on the team effectively"
Sorry,but as long as Gilbride is there Beckum won’t be used effectively…not saying either one “sucks” just not a good fit for each others talents.
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Bradshaw is one of the toughest on the Giants
Are you kidding me? Beckum, the guy that cannot block? Let’s go back to the YAC discussion.
Boss 6.68, Beckum 3.0 last year.
Yeah, he runs REAL hard.
Oh, I forgot, you never let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Bradshaw has chunks of guys like Beckum in his stool.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bradshaw has chunks of guys like Beckum in his stool.
hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahyah
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
blocking = toughness?
YAC = toughness?
I’m arguing with people that already made up their minds and care not to actually look at what’s going on the field. So, go head with that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah
that is a response loaded with facts that dispute our assertions.
Yes, we have come to conclusions based on fact. Facts are things that are true due to existence. You are writing opinion.
We still have our bet for the end of the season R44. Let’s see who writes the epitath.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
those may well be facts
but its not like they have a single thing to do with what’s being talked about.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You said
considering how he runs after he makes a catch
Is that not related to YAC? If someone is tough, would they not get extra YAC just from sheer effort? Skill counts too. Or is he tough but not enough skill? Why no YAC?
And another thing, Becks takes off every injury, AB runs through it.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
that's speed is what I was talking about
not YAC. And if they’re ‘tough’ they’d only get a few extra yards.
I mean this is really pointless. You’re trying to say you have “facts” when the sample is small and we’re comparing a guy with full seasons of work.
When Beckum gets the ball he’s shown toughness. YAC has nothing to do with that. And he’s faster then Boss that’s easy, so the potential for YAC is there.
Your “facts” may be that, but they have nothing to do with this.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
NO
you made up your mind. Beckum has done nothing as a Giant but you defend him as if he’s the next Tony Gonzalez.
by GMen56-11 on Aug 31, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is that what it sounds like?
that’s great.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
How can you make up your mind on someone
if he hasn’t had the chance to be on the field ? People are pulling stats comparing Boss to Beckum but you just can’t right now. After the season we’ll see exactly what Beckum is made of. If he sucks so be it. Give him a chance before wanting him cut. Plus we don’t have much of a choice in that dept right now. Also, his blocking has been getting better too. Boss couldn’t block for squat when he came into the league, I have faith in Mike Pope to add that to Beckum’s game too
a good tandem?
what have you been watching? Beckum blows
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Giants, you?
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Everytime I see your nick...
This pops in my head: Cash Rules Everything Around Me, get the money….dollar-dollar bills…..
Beckum is a classic tweener that is NOT a TE
And doesn’t fit our system.
A waste of a roster spot. Never understood the pick unless they thought he would juice up to have enough size to be a TE.
Why keep a pass catching Hback that can’t run the right routes and is too light to be a real blocker?
Pascoe...
reminds me of a rugby player….
not saying there is anything wrong w/ that….but this is the NFL…not the NRL.
TeamJPP
cut beckum
just does not fit, keep ballard & pascoe for now, then check the waiver wire
lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Ballard even looks like Kevin Boss
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
See what I just wrote below
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 31, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Striking
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 31, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
its ridiculous
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It's...uncanny
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SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dopplegangers. (spelling?)
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It's doppelganger, and is German for double goer.
It’s the ghostly apparition of a living person.
how many years ago did they clone that sheep?
Cause i got a feeling that sheep weren’t the only animal they played around with.
You down wit JPP?
Like his brother...
with down syndrome.
by BigBabyJesus on Aug 31, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If there ever was a Boss clone, it would be Ballard.
Kevin Boss
Height: 6-6 Weight: 255 Age: 27
40 Time: 4.78 40 Low: 4.74 40 High: 4.80
Jake Ballard
Height: 6-6 Weight: 265 Age: 23
40 Time: 4.84 40 Low: 4.76 40 High: 4.96
My money is still on Ballard. If someone more seasoned gets waived in the next couple days then I am sure they will take a look. But my guess is Beckum and Ballard are on the 53 man roster come next week.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
nothing. pipe down
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
keep your opinions to yourself
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll tell 'ya
Eli said he lost some “brainpower” with the loss of Boss and Smith, he sure as hell didn’t gain any with Beckum out there!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 31, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed on Ballard
The Kid ran a nice route caught the ball and is only 23! give the kid a chance, you coach this kid up he can be the answer for 5 years!
Ballard is a project
and too slow.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 31, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I go with Bear
Ballard aint foolin me.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he didnt look slow on Monday
He ran that patern just like Boss would. Now doing it every game is another story.
by NYG86-90-07 on Aug 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
IHow many tight ends do we keep?
If we keep three to develop Ballard, that means maybe only six LBs or four RBs. That side, I think we need to keep three TEs and see if Ballard can step up.
I think we only go into the season with 3 RBs. Anyone know how many we carried last year?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think just BJ, AB, Ware and Hedge
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Schuylar Oordt is available...
I think (the Rams released him, I don’t know if anybody else has picked him up.. He’s got solid pass catching skills, and very good athletic ability: 4.6 (4.58 low) 40, 36in vertical, 9’11 broad jump at 6’6", 261.
However, he’s “raw” as a blocker. =/
Fits right in
with the hard to prounounce hard to spell names on the Giants.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
you're a shuylar oordt
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you're a cheta ozougwu
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Giants need to get him if he becomes available
They can develop him as a blocker with that speed.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a Swedish Bobsledder.
Or a kicker from like 20 years ago.
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I'm from sweden
And i guarantee you there’s noone in sweden with thath name not even close. Probably dutch
Could we trade
Rosenfelds and Weatherford for a #2 Tightend? It would seem to me both guys have some marginal value and teams always are looking for cheap upgrades at those positions. I would say Seattle, but their #2 just bit it. Maybe Arizona or Minnesota?
didn't they already sign
Arizona’s 2nd TE… then he retired a week later?
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
frikken
drug testing rules =[
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 31, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Who would trade for 2 players who might get cut anyway?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Lets trade Dodge and Jernigan
For somebodies #3 TE and the rights to re-draft Derrick Brown
August 31st
and we don’t have a tight end. This is absolutely ridiculous.
I don’t understand the love affair with Jerry Reese. This entire offseason has been gross mismanagement and the Giants should have had the balls to ask Eli to restructure his deal
That 15mil per year won’t be money well spent if you have gaping holes in the offense.
And the FA TE they were going to sign was who?
Boss for that crazy money for 35 catches and 11 drops? Really? Glad you don’t have access to my checkbook.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Agreed
We got Al Davis’d on Boss, and Ben Patrick decided he hates being paid to play football. Really thought a productive college player like Beckum would’ve progressed though.
did I say that we should have broken the bank for boss?
No, I did not.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So what TE would you have him go after this off season…. keep in mind he signed one that mysteriously retired, doesnt sound like mismanagement to me, just a freak occurrence…unless he has a track record of signing people that retire within 12 days…
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing with you, but
Patrick had 45 career receptions in four years. He was not a valid replacement.
by BigBabyJesus on Aug 31, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know much about him, but he was brought in to compete for a chance to play on a 1 year deal… I know he avg close to 10 yards a catch and he didn’t drop many balls, he was 6-3, 265 with a body that was made to block… why wasn’t he valid? Experience?
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 1, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
...fixed it for you.
and wedon’thave 3 tight ends. This is absolutely ridiculous. Who do we choose?
Idon’tcompletely understand the love affair with Jerry Reese. This entire offseason has beengrossawesomemismanagement because Reese made sure there was enough depth at each position so that when we lost 4 CBs, we still had 2 starting caliber ones. And when we lost 2 DTs, we have enough to fill the gap. And we have 2 probowl caliber WRs. 2 productive RBs. An OL ravaged by injuries that haven’t missed a beat. A DL that makes other QBs crap their pants..and thank GOD the Giantsshouldhavehad the balls tonot asked Eli to restructure his deal because that would mean a greater cap hit in future years.
That 15mil per year won’t be money well spent if you have gaping holes in the offense. Thankfully we don’t!
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
that's better
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
much better
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by Larry Soprano on Aug 31, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
We will
most definitely find out about his 2009 draft this year won’t we? If these guys who are now
in their 3rd season don’t produce this year, shouldn’t the GM be held accountable?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but the fact is...we draft alot better than most teams
This chart shows that we’re top 6 in retaining our draft picks. Most of the other teams were ass for the past few years…so they had mostly higher picks…ergo a better chance of them sticking on the roster. Only real good team ahead of us? Surpise! Green Bay Packers…
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
and baltimore I guess
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
and here's more!
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
what is this jibberish
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
just bullshit
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
im bored.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked it.
Very interesting that since 2006, the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles have basically the same win-loss record. 48-32, 48-32, and 48-31-1
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Good question.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice fanpost, LOL!
with that said, I prefer production over retention myself, maybe it’s just me?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Starters would be considered production, no?
And this isn’t including Travis Beckum, who will also be a starter now, so you can bump that up to 12…good for 4th in the league
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What I think is interesting about those charts
Is that the Giants made the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years.
The other teams in the NFC to do so that are not in the NFC East are: New Orleans, Green Bay, Seattle. And thats it. The NFC East has three teams that have done it by ITSELF.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
that's a work of art, BBI
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
NONSENSE!!!!!
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
and we're lucky that we have two productive RBs
had Miami or another team acted Bradshaw would have been gone.
But Jerry Reese can do no wrong. Let me sing his praises like the rest of you
the fact that you said that we don’t have gaping holes in our offense when we don’t have an NFL starting quality TE or a clear 3rd WR is hilarious. I applaud your dedication to our team though
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Not every team has superstars
Oh noes, our 3rd receiver won’t start on other teams, we’re gonna sucksssss
Tight end is a problem I agree, but complaining about a 3rd string receiver?
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
we can only do what the market does.
If you were in Jerry Reese’s shoes….would you have given up a 16 million dollar deal to Kevin Boss? He was slightly above average, but that’s it. His numbers weren’t great, and he had the worst catch percentage in the NFL amongst TEs. We had Boss anyway until the Raiders gave up the farm for him. There were no other good FA TEs after Miller signed with the Hawks.
We have Travis Beckum riding the pine for 3 years now. He needs to step up. That’s not exactly a hole….we don’t know what he can do, besides some flashes that he’s shown in preseason. You expect your draft picks to step up and that’s what Reese is doing.
A 3rd WR….Victor Cruz was an UDFA that was picked up by Reese. I’d say that’s a pretty damn good job by Reese. Domenik Hixon was our #1 WR for some time in 2008. And now he’s a #3, or at least competing to be one. Competition is good! Look at 3rd WRs across the league, and tell me the best ones….James Jones, Jason Avant look to be the top of the line 3rd WRs in the NFC….I think we can at least match that level of production…
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree!
The defense should be fine but I think the offense is going to struggle or play inconsistent. I think we had a good draft but JR screwed up not keeping or bring in key free agents on offense.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 31, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
What was he supposed to do, just p[rint more money they don't ahve?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
print, have
Need my coffee.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
They gave all the money to Eli and didn't have the balls to ask him to restructure
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
did they not have the balls
or were they not dumb enough to ask him to waste cap room in the future? When you restructure it makes more of a cap hit later on. Makes no sense to ask him to restructure.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
You should know how restructuring works before firing off nonsensical comments.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
we live in the here and now
but since you’re fine with wasting a season like the Giants are setting up to do, I see your point.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't go all in with the idea that you're going to F yourself later
and LOL at wasting a season. Oh man I can’t wait for the season to start…
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Oh man I can’t wait for the season to start…
AMEN!
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
for real
I can’t either. We’ll see how much ass covering you’ll be doing for these folks when the we hit the meat of our schedule
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'm sure you'll still be making up things and then complaining about them
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yeah
saying that we have jack shit at TE and at WR outside of Nicks and Ham is making stuff up.
Homer much?
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess if a homer is someone who pays attention to the game
instead of their madden ratings and the mindless hoards on talk show radio…sure, I guess so.
And there’s a lot of teams around the NFL who would love to have a guy like Hixon as their #3 too. But he sucks, Francesca told me so.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hixon blows
sorry to break it to you
if he was killing it out there he wouldn’t be fighting for the 3rd WR spot with Victor Cruz, who can’t get open or comprehend Kevin Gilbride’s unstoppable offense
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah
you don’t have to break that to me. Hilarious that you think that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hixon hasn't stepped on the field since last June.
There is competition in camp for the third WR spot?
unheard of!
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
unheard of
if he were leaps and bounds ahead of the others we’d know
we don’t.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
its okay
I don’t think that the dude is good.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
just an ignorant comment.
Yea, Let’s restructure Eli’s contract, so we had more money for this year to spend on big name FAs, ala the Eagles, and when it doesn’t work, and we’re in the shitter fiscally a year or two down the road, Oh well, we tried in 2011. Made no sense.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I could care less about big names
just productive players that can start and give Eli something to work with.
You have your head so far up the front office’s backdoor that you fail to see the point.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
so you'd rather have the cap situation be worse next season?
I guess that makes sense. You’d at least have something to complain about.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
it beats
tossing Victor Cruz under the bus every day, doesn’t it?
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
Cruz will either be a former Giant, or a good player by next year. Being able to pencil in something to complain about a year from now is something different.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
or maybe
the Giants should have never gave Eli that much money in the first place
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
market rate for a franchise QB
so no, they shouldn’t.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
franchise QBs
don’t perform like rookies when they’re seven years in
if you want to excuse the crap we’ve been seeing from Manning, that’s your business.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hate to break it to you
but every QB does this. Some get hurt by it, others don’t.
Doesn’t excuse what Eli’s done, but doesn’t exactly make him uncommon.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Which (any?) Giant players on offense do you like or think are good/great?
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
see
I love how general criticism is turned into “oh you hate everyone”
I’ve said constantly that Nicks, Ham, Bradshaw, Jacobs, and the O-Line are fine
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, sorry bro, never saw that.
Now I know who you like.
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
So the Saints shouldn't be paying Brees
What they are paying him cuz he had 22 INTs last year? That is what you said. When you are making your hate filled comments about Eli, you fail to take into account anyone else at all. Incredible how Eli shouldn’t be payed like a franchise QB cuz he had 25 INTs, but Brees should even though he had 22. So dumb, you just make no logical comments, everything you say is driven by your feelings towards Eli, nothing else.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"Cruz
will either be a former Giant, or a good player by next year"…finally a sensible quote re Cruz
by Cruz Control on Aug 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
F off a$$hole. You're lucky I respect this blog and it's community.
Next time you want to tell someone they have their head up someone elses ass, do it somewhere else. You are failing to see the point, Mr. high and mighty. Regardless of how much they spent in the off season, and how “big name” the players are, restructuring anyone’s contract, Eli or otherwise, hurts the team’s cap down the road. Obviously you don’t care about the future, win now is all that matters to you, so I’m talking to a brick wall. I understand your point fully, you’d rather have Eli or anyone for that matter restructure for this year, enabling them to buy more good players, p[utting them in a win now mode, much like the Eagles. It’s exactly what you said, if you say otherwise now, you’re just going against what you said, so have at it chump.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Reese needs to be under pressure...
Much of this is really starting to smell after the smokescreens have blown over…
Even if they bring a TE now
How much will they be able to contribute this year? They wont know the offense, Beckum has been here a while and he still isnt comfortable in the offense. Cruz still runs wrong routes and this is his second year.
Boss was a big loss...
because the backups are not ready to step up.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
Yes
and I question why this was not anticipated as a possibility.
Don’t tell me Beckum. Did not work last two years, not working now.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Patrick
But he retired. Would you be asking “why this was not anticipated” if Baas up and retired the day after they signed him?
The Giants will probabaly move to LA because they suck so bad
He did have a carreer year last year.
With 15 receptions… he was not good.
by BigBabyJesus on Aug 31, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Simplify the offense?
This problem of guys running wrong routes is ridiculous and seems to happen a lot, not just to Beckum. I live near Tampa and it reminds me of when Gruden was their HC and young players (not just rookies) couldn’t get on the field because the offense was so complicated.
by G-FANinFL on Aug 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
it happens in every offense
yea, this offense is probably meant for veterans but when you have young WRs like Smith who had over 100 catches, Nicks and Manningham having the years they’ve had as young WRs, its just gonna take time.
Sure it probably hurts cuz when you have to put pups or nippleheads like Cruz in there, they can’t get on the same page. But it puts up numbers. Maybe if it got dumbed down they’d make less mistakes but be less effective.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Another Cruz Jab, surprise surprise lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Cruz seems to be developing.
And he may develop further and be a good wideout. One could argue that Bekum and Cruz are on par with their developement, though I think Bekum sucks and is not developing.
Why the love for Bekum, and none for Cruz?
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
they both seem to be dim
bad assignment pick ups, routes, getting yelled at. cruz has a cooler name though
mostly cuz there's biased love for Cruz
and downright hate for Beckum.
I agree, they’re basically the same thing. But I find it funny that Beckum gets complete hate across the board and anything he does he should be cut, yet say the same thing about Cruz who from what I’ve seen has been worse then Beckum….then all hell breaks loose
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You right, more love around here for Cruz.
Those great catches in the preseason last year has created that. And everbody likes to say or type CRUUUUUUZ.
Either one, or neither could develop. My eyes make me lean towards Cruz as a possible contributor.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
nope
just these players that you’re holding out hope for
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
which is everyone
so everyone sucks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
nope
we have two solid WRs, one of whom can be a pro bowler if Manning can throw the ball worth a damn. I think the O-Line is pretty damn good. We have two solid backs and a solid group of defensive players.
After that…
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
After that...
Quality 3rd options and backups. Did we forget everything Hixon has done as a WR or is he what a few minutes in this preseason says he is?
The Giants will probabaly move to LA because they suck so bad
"Biased
love for Cruz"…….WTH, when did rooting for a UFDA and local product make one biased
by Cruz Control on Aug 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
when everything he does wrong is excused
the UDFA and local produce stuff add to the bias as well.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
"when
everything he does wrong is excused"……you talking about Eli?
by Cruz Control on Aug 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You
probably rooted against Rudy and thought that Wayne Chrebet was a mascot too
by Cruz Control on Aug 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
are you a Dustin Pedroia fan?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
mostly cuz the 2B on my team is better.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You're right
by why is Manningham still having issues with Eli, I mean yea he’s had some quality years but those two have several misscommunications a game and if they would be more in snyc they would be unbeliveable together but its been three years already. I don’t know becasue I’m not there but it seems as if the Giants offensive coaches don’t always adjust the system to the players they try and force things that don’t fit. I mean does the lost of a slot WR and a ok TE hurt an offense that much? Come on the Giants have had productive passing games in the past without a “slot” WR as do many other teams.
Yes...simply
Gilbride is always chewing somebody up for running the wrong routes. Maybe it’s to simplify the offense. His offense is nothing special and predictable anyway.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 31, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup very predictable
when they run the wrong route
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
the offensive system is atrocious
how is something so complicated so predictable and unproductive???
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If a top 10 offense could be that
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yeah
Gilbride’s offense has been absolutely flawless.
I love draw plays on 3rd and long!!!
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
when are you supposed to run draw plays?
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not flawless
just top 10, every year. Sad isn’t it? If they were any better they’d be #1 in the NFL, every year.
What’s that? Is that called being spoiled? It is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Shiancoe
Vikes drafted Kyle Rudolph didnt they….But what do we need a TE for, Killdrive never utilizes them……
Why
We have blocking TE’s, thats not the issue.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Even if we get Crumpler, Killdrive will find a way
To make him look unproductive. We need Ballard running in the middle to have him do to the eggless what the Steelers did with their TE. They were open in the middle of that shaky defense often…But Killdrive will find a way to NOT take advantage of that. Where is Buddy Ryan when you need him, to punch some sense in that guy.
by Bavaro 89 on Aug 31, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So Dream, HAM and SS being considered the best young WR's last year had nothing to do with KG??
SO Boss becoming a productive TE from the division 9 school he went to had nothing to do with KG?
So our running game last year and years before have nothing to do with KG??
Try making sense, the “Killdrive” talk is just repeated fodder, no real facts or objectivity involved at all.
Just Stop it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
by Blue Gates on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually
Dream, Ham, and SS were all very high draft picks…1st and 2nd rounders. These kids would have been productive pretty much anywhere.
and If anyone is going to get praise for bringing Boss along it’s Mike Pope….not killdrive.
but let’s just keep using these broad generalizations to specifically defend KG…it also works if you implement “Eli” and “TC” into that statement.
They’re all single handedly responsible for making them productive. Has nothing to do w/ the player at all.
TeamJPP
on the flip side:
Beckum and Barden’s struggles have absolutely nothing to do w/ Coaching.
the Coaches are only responsible for the “good” players.
I’m think i’m getting the hang of this!
TeamJPP
yeah
you see the outright dishonesty of some people here
keep blindly defending these coaches. I’ll call it like I see it.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How has Barden struggled?
They guy’s been injured. Beckum has never really gotten a chance either. Who knows? They could both turn out to be good.
so how come Killdrive
can’t get Cruz to look remotely productive, if it’s all because of him?
When you have talent, the half assness of your OC can be kept under wraps. The Giants have lost talent at key spots and now things are starting to show.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Crumpler does a good enough job himself to be unproductive.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually it does make sense
If you watched Giants games last season, a lot of drives ended because we couldn’t get a yard to get a first down. Isn’t that a killdrive? Gilbride or killdrive is part of the offensive problems sometimes.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
Nope thats the people wearing the uniforms
Not being able to get a yard has nothing to do with play calling, its actually the simplest play in football, its called BEATING THE MAN IN FRONT OF YOU……….No OC gets into the HOF for his 3rd and 1 calls.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Predictable play calling has something to do with it.
Why do you think teams don’t want other teams spying on their plays? It doesn’t matter if you have a 300lb RB trying to get a yd, if the defense knows what’s coming they will probably stop the RB. This is the NFL not HS football.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What a board!
Yeow. Not much to say that has not been said.
Summary?
No agreement on Beckum. IMO he is running out of runway just maybe not yet.
Emotion to keep Bear. IMO he has not been given a fair shot but fact is he has shown little.
Aversion to relying on Ballard. IMO he may have upside but he is no starter.
Nothing on the wire.
If I was TC/JR? I’d keep three – Ballard, Bear and Beckum and lose one when Barden comes off the PUP. More time to make the decision that should have been made already.
UNLESS a stud gets cut on Sat and then all bets are off.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
by MSP Giant on Aug 31, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Agreed on all points. Its not the greatest situation, but its the situation they’re in. Nothing wrong with the “wait and see” approach… go with the guys you’ve got and make changes when you HAVE to. The way things go around here it seems like the average tenure for a Giants player / coach would be about 6 weeks….
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep Ballard and Bear
I have only read some comments but…
Ballard – upside, seems like a good receiver, maybe he can learn to block better
Bear – just serviceable but also a backup for HH
Cut Beckum – potential, KG, blah,blah, blah. He has not been productive and KG is staying whether we all like it or not. He has blown some routes and at this point, that should not happen. He cannot block so if he is not a great receiver, let him go. He may do well elsewhere but he has not made it here.
Cut Coats – I like, just have not seen enough, odd man out.
Use the extra slot to keep DaScott. They are probably going to keep Brown and DaScott will not make it to the PS.
All above, subject to change after Thus game of course.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
I forgot, FA
If we can pick up Crumpler or someone decent off of FA, that would probably be the best solution.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
tight end
The giants blew this, they should have drafted a tight-end early in the draft. I would have rather seen them take a tight-end in the third round than Jerriganfumbleagain. Even if they kept Boss, they needed a major upgrade.Jerry Reece blew this big time,along with the Steve Smith debacle
My money is on Ballard
I’m not saying he’s going to be the “guy” right away
but if anyone currently on this roster is going to be a “traditional” TE for this team….it’s JB
I just think Ballard has more upsize and physical ability than McKenna Pascoe….
yup…just went there
TeamJPP
True.
By the way McKenna sounds like Machine in spanish, Maquina. Is he a cyborg? Just wondering need some coffee overhere.
trade?
Funny but trades seem to be none existent, in baseball teams trade for what the need now if the want to compete, we have needed a TE and secondary help for 2 plus years now and nothing. Tamme from colts maybe oh too late they needed a QB so bad they signed guess who? So not an option now.
We need the Bear...
to stop blocking like Cubby Pascoe, and then we don’t have a problem at TE.
middle of the field
will be unowned with out a good te or someone in the slot making people miss. this is a big issue on 3rd down. im all for a ground and pound team but that does bring up the need for solid 3rd down play. and eli on 3rd down has been very subpar. im sure someone has the stats re: how many ints come on 3rd down. i think its a sht ton. this is the biggest concern of the 2011 NY giants.
we have nothing for the middle of the field
what you saw against the Jets the other night is a small glimpse of how garbage this offense will be
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
its a huge issue
i think the biggest this team has right now. everything else i’m quasi-happy with
yeah
I’m fine with the defense, offensive line, and the running backs. Nicks/Ham as well
everything else…sheesh
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If Eli is even a tiny bit accurate our starters are up maybe 14-7 easily
and I have no worries about Eli he’ll get it together. I’m not as down on the team as you seem to be. Let things work them selves out. Remember the year we had “No receivers” and the next year we had the best group of young guys?
that’s the problem. Can he get it together? He seems to be regressing.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
and I don't know how being critical of some FO decisions and two holes on O
is being down on the whole team. I love a lot of what we have, but it’s not good enough if we want to get to the playoffs and beyond
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this team can make the playoffs
you said they’ll stink so I think your down on the team.
Yea I think the FO didn’t do the best job this offseason but we had difficult decisions to make. The cap made it difficult to do what we wanted to do
eh
you know that I love hyperbole dude
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw winning
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Any TE is better than frickin Travis Beckum
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
who is Travis Beckum better than?
please inform me.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
50 y/o sideline reporter Cross
That’s who
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
no one, he sucks
never give him a chance, that’s the way it should be. Preseason is everything, no one makes mistake in practice, get rid of everyone and sign rejects from other teams cuz they’re better then the Giants.
Am I doing it right?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yes you are
sarcastically saying travis beckum sucks when you mean he is the best TE in the NFL is doing it right.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
you're the king of this
I don’t know how you could have gotten it wrong.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
no
but in due time, you’ll be there.
Now, name for me a starting NFL TE that is worse than Travis Beckum
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that's gonna take the whole season booboo
other then any rookie starter the TEs around the NFL have had a season under their belt.
I know its tough to go with the unknown tho
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Words of wisdom
“Tough to go with the unknown”
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I'd take Howard Cross right now over him
and I mean, right here and now lol
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's simple
Play Hynoski as FB and Bear as a TE.
You’ll have to have a discussion with TC to tell him he’ll HAVE TO play a rookie that wasn’t drafted in the first round! (Even Nicks had a hard time getting on the field)
Plus, we can throw to Hynoski – I like it.
Put Bear back at FB in short yardage situations.
I did like that shotgun formation with two backs on either side of Eli. Having Jacobs and Bradshaw in at the same time with a 3 WR set is optimum
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
52 is the mike 52 is the mike 52 is the mike
whistle, flag, delay of game, 5 yard penalty, repeat
If Eli were a better QB, this wouldn't be an issue
The Giants draft one of the best pass-catching TEs from college in Beckum and you want me to believe that he simply sucks now. I’m not buying it. He might never be a great in-line blocker but there’s no way he can’t be a force in the passing game.
All this talk about Eli not trusting receivers is ridiculous. If I were a receiver on the Giants, I wouldn’t trust Eli. Eli has made some of the worst decisions by a QB that I have ever seen. I have no confidence in Eli from game to game. I hope he does well but I rarely expect it.
How about throwing to an open receiver and not into double or triple coverage? How about being accurate on 3rd downs instead of sailing the ball 5 feet over the receiver’s head and killing a drive? How about not throwing off of your back foot because it hurts your accuracy? How about not leading a receiver into a big hit? He did that all the time with Boss and in the preseason game he did it to Nicks.
On that one, [the Jets] had a blitz. I have to be smarter about it. I saw that they didn’t react to it so I just have to throw it in the ground and go to the next play.
Why isn’t he smarter about it already? Why are we still talking about these basic things? Baffling.
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by GhostDini on Aug 31, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
didn't you hear?
Eli is a top 3 QB
Sarcasm aside, great post.
Manning is going to get Nicks killed and when he does down, its a WRAP for that offense.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a harsh evaluation.
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Harsh and realistic
everything that he said about Eli is on the money
this dude is too old to be doing the same constant crap that we’ve been seeing from him.
if you’re being paid 15 per you should at least be able to throw catchable balls
it won’t be too long before the players lose confidence in him.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to bet you on that last sentence.
And Ghost’s post makes Eli sound like a complete failure at QB. It’s over the top negative.
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It's an honest evaluation
There isn’t a single thing that I said that was inaccurate.
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Over the top negative, though.
If you like, for me, can you list the positive aspects of Eli’s game?
If this were a scouting report, you listed the cons to drafting Eli. What are the pro’s?
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see
I don’t get this. It’s like no one is allowed to be critical or point something out on here
Eli throws the ball like he’s playing in a goddamn sandlot and we’re supposed to sing kumbaya
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
critical is one thing
talking about him like he’s Rex Grossman is another. Everyone knows what his flaws are and what he needs to work on.
Its the blind, head in the sand fanatical criticism that’s just flat out annoying and has no place anywhere but talk radio callers.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Here here!
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oh please
you harp on anyone that is remotely critical of anything. It reeks of homerism. I love this team to death but if someone drops a turd in the middle of the field I will say that someone just dropped a turd in the middle of the field. I won’t pretend that it’s not there, sorry.
Being fans of this team, not everyone is going to look at things through rose colored glasses. I respect your positive outlook.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I only harp on those that are downright insane with their criticism
so take that for what you will.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
ah
but to you, all criticism is insane
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people can overly critical
but that’s not the issue.
The issue is that if list negatives, then there are people asking me to list positives as well. If we mention his 30 turnovers, then someone will bring up 4,000 yards and 31 TDs. If I bring up 25 INTs, then someone brings up Brees’ INTs, although Brees had 658 pass attempts to Eli’s 539 pass attempts.
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yeah
like it’s a prereq that when you say something critical you have to mix it in with something complimentary
it’s like that episode of Family Guy where Stewie was Brian’s boss and he was giving him his quarterly review
it makes for fun arguments though :-)
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just 'talking' here, Ghost
I’m just trying to find out how you look at Eli overall. Because you are someone who’s opinion I value in this community.
I can’t always remember who feels what about who. Plus I only joined BBV back in Dec so I didn’t get to know people until this off season, really.
Basically, I was/am, trying to find out if you are an Eli hater or you just have legitimate grips about his flaws that you are venting.
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See my response to your comment below.
No friggin’ kumbaya here, Bills.
You misunderstand me. :-)
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It's not over the top if it's true
- He’s very good at diagnosing a play at the line of scrimmage. His ability to make pre-snap reads is among the best in football.
- He’s great in the 2-minute drill. He doesn’t get flustered and he throws the ball around to the open WR. It’s no coincidence that when the offense gets simplified, Eli and his WRs are better. Hmmm.
- He’s great at avoiding sacks. He senses pressure better than most QBs in the league.
- When he’s not throwing off of his back foot, he throws a nice deep ball.
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Cool, thanks.
And that is an accurate, unemotional report of most of what he does well.
But when you go negative, it becomes emotional for you. That can hurt your argument, with some.
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ah
I just think you don’t want to read anything critical or negative.
but yes, Ghost is right about his positives as well.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You think wrong. Hunt around and read some of my other posts and you will get a better idea of how I feel about Eli.
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I'm not emotional
I’m genuinely baffled as to why someone who plays QB in the NFL, is making $100 million, was a top-5 pick, has a great running game, has a good to very good O-line, has above average WRs, and has been in the same system for years, STILL has issues with the most basic of fundamentals of the position.
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it doesn't matter
you’re not allowed to be critical
the next time Eli throws multiple picks in a game, I will just pretend that it didn’t happen
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not great.
And you are right, some of his decisions are infuriating. I compare him historically to Drew Bledsoe. He was a very, very good strong armed QB, who won a whole lot more than he lost, but all too often made a bad mistake at critical times.
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SHOTS FIRED!
A Bledsoe comparison?
Personally I think it’s a good comparison….but rather insulting to Eli….yet somewhat accurate….yet extremely depressing.
TeamJPP
Based on the last 3 years...it is rather insulting.
I use 3 years because 1 is too small a sample size, and the entire career doesn’t account for development or change.
Even with the high amount of INTs…Eli has 79 TDs to 49 INTs. That’s a 1.61 TD to INT ratio, quite firmly in “elite” range.
I won’t pretend that I’m not concerned, but I hate it when people say Eli is trash. Based on those numbers, he definitely deserves his contract and the respect he DOES get from his peers.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
who
said that Eli is trash?
He needs to step his play up and lead the team by not making stupid throws and turnovers.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that sentiment, though I don't agree that he isn't a leader already
several prominent Giants have come out and said as much. Yes, his play in the preseason was unacceptable, but my point is that he deserves the benefit of the doubt….because he’s more than earned it.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
More than earned it, yes.
Problem is two years with no playoffs. And two late season collapses. And the QB gets alot of the blame, as a QB should, IMO.
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He should...for last season.
2009…..4000 yds, 27 TDs and only 14 picks. He gets alot of the blame, but Giants fans of all people should know better than to blame him for that godforsaken season.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly don't
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haha just replying to you because
of the chain. Not accusing anyone in particular…just in general
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think you were, BBI.
Just agreeing with you, which is nothing new. :-)
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gotcha tommy
we have a knack for being on the same page
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Double meaning there?
page (idea), thread page…. never mind.
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They are their own men and QB's, of course.
But he’s the best comparison I got. And I’m ok with that. I think we can definitely win another SB with Eli. And Bledsoe won zero.
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dude
what has Manning done that inspires confidence?
I see the same bad habits from the year before, and this team he has less to work with. God help us
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
that was a great run
why can’t he play like that on a regular basis though?
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not good enough.
Just keep in mind how hard it is to win a SB. The greatest of the greats sometimes only win one. Or none. And Eli is not one of the greats. He is one of the ‘very goods.’
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I think he's very talented
and a good guy, but I think that his mistakes are easily correctable yet they keep happening
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody said below that he is stubborn. I agree.
He is what he is at this point. He’s always going to throw too many INT’s for our liking, IMO. But if he just keeps it around 15, while keeping the TD totals high, we will be good.
Or, we could have a 2008 type running attack and Eli can throw it less, plus KILL defenses with play action, which he does very well.
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I really don't know.
My thing is Eli does some amazing things. He runs the offense well, he audibles out of blitz, he also does a heck of a job in the 2 minute offense. He has flaws like accuracy which is a big flaw but it’s very costly sometimes. I just think everyone is over reacting and throwing him under the bus because of those 25 picks. No lie watch each pick and u can make a argument that 8 of them were on the WR. still to many turn overs. But the guy still threw for 30 TD’s with no star receivers and his main guys missing a bunch of games
Hakeem Nicks is a star
just because ESPN doesn’t ride his jock doesn’t mean that the guy isn’t a stud. Flat out beast of a receiver imo
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and if Manning stops throwing the ball over his head
Ham is right there as well
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
If he played like that on a regular basis, he’d be a first ballot hall of famer easy. Which would be nice, but I’m not sure its realistic necessarily.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 31, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say he needs to trust certain guys less and others more
Nicks he trusts too much, which is why he throws into double and triple coverage sometimes. When that happens he needs to look around and trust the open man to catch the ball, whether its Ham, Hixon, Cruz or Beckum.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Eli has always been this way
Eli is like a baseball manager who overuses the same guys out of the bullpen. He has his guys and rarely looks to anyone else. He used to force feed passes to Plax while Toomer languished in anonymity.
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Eli has some impressive results to back up the argument of his QB play.
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The problem is that he can't adjust when he loses that guy
We lost Plax and the offense suffered. We lost Smith and the offense suffered.
Why? It’s because Eli never created any chemistry with other receivers. He throws to the same guys. I look at Brady, Rodgers, and Rivers throw the ball to whomever is open. They don’t look to the same guy over and over again. Eli doesn’t do that . At least, he doesn’t do it nearly enough.
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You mean Eli is NOT is not in the same level as Brady...
The same Brady whom every year seems to have a different group of recievers – which – he proceed to turn into decent players…
and he's also
had some god awful moments.
The criticism is fair. Eli has to step up, perform better to make up for the loss of talent on O, and be prudent with the way he tosses the ball around.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The criticism is fair, but so is the praise.
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I agree
and when he gives me a praiseworthy performance, I will be the first to praise him. I want him to succeed but I cannot stand some of the stuff that I see from him.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And neither can I.
So is all this because of the game vs. the Jets? You said you will praise him when he gives a praiseworthy performance. So if he goes out and plays well and throws 2 TD’s vs. the Skins on Sept 11 you will praise him?
Then what happens if he struggles the next week, back to criticism? Or is it criticism most of the time, with the occassional praise.
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this stems from last year as well
if he goes out there and annihilates Washington’s secondary I will say HELL YEAH good job Eli
he’s got to be consistent. You can’t say that you’re in the class of Brady and then behave in a cavalier manner with the football
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, those 4000 yards and 31 TDs totally SUCKED!
I hate it when QBs do that.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I loved everyone of his 25 INTS
oh that’s right none of those were his fault!!! When the ball is thrown 6 feet over a WRs head those guys have to jump up to catch it
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would take the exact same season right now
If you say you wouldn’t you are crazy and I hop you enjoy the Sanchezes and Leinharts of the world.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I would take the 4000 and 31
but the turnovers are ridiculous.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that 25 INTs are ridiculous
not that he isn’t allowed to throw an INT
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Your negativity is ridiculous.
Keep bashing the best QB the Giants have ever have. Trade him for that matter. At least 20 teams will consider him an upgrade. I want him to have a better year than last year, too, but your critiques are ridiculous. Jump already.
jesus christ
I’ve said several positive things mixed in with tossing Eli under the bus. Sorry if saying that Eli needs to take care of the ball offends you
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Brees had 22 ints and the same number of fumbles (more recovered)
and no one says boo about it.
Eli was playing with centers and WRs they signed off the street. Again I would take that season right now.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I don't know what Brees O-line was like
but the Giants had a better running game and Breese threw 658 times and Eli threw 539 times.
So Brees had 118 more pass attempts and 3 fewer INTs.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Well, Brees also only threw 2 more TDs with all those attempts
and he actually fumbled 2 more times than Eli (9) but only lost 2 which is total luck. His YPA was lower 7.0 to Eli’s 7.4 so he was dumping the ball off more too. So I think the comparison is still close.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I don't see a problem
More TDs and fewer INTs with more pass attempts. I don’t see how that’s a knock.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
It shows those extra attempts didn't amount to much
It’s a lower TD per attempt rate, lower yards per attempt and 10 less total points.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I don't give a damn about Brees
I care that Eli cuts down on his mistakes.
Show damn leadership
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
"Show damn leadership"
And you know he doesn’t based on all the practices, meetings, weight room sessions film sessions you’ve attended and all that time you’ve spent in the locker room?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
on the field
when you commit horrific turnovers, that is not showing leadership where it counts
I’m not asking for Manning to play flawless, but to cut down on mistakes that a player that has been a superbowl MVP shouldn’t be making.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Brady sucks under pressure. Is that his way of demonstrating a lack of leadership, too?
I guess
I mean seriously, if you want to think that Brady commits the same gaffes as Manning has become known for…
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So Brees has shown no leadership either
Brady in the playoff game vs the Jets – no leadership.
Peyton in his 6 int game – no leadership.
I get it. Leadership = no turnovers. So Bradshaw, no leadership last year.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
hahaha wow
if that’s how you interpret things, more power to you
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT Brees fumbles when getting smacked in the mouff!
Unlike Eli – Casper the ghost seems to strip the ball AND also trip his legs when running.
Eli actually outrushed Brees 70 to -3
Brees also had 9 more sacks than Eli and led his team to 10 fewer points. But Eli sucks, I forgot, sorry to bother you.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
One more win
despite facing the horrible NFC West
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Good stats
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Also
how the hell did Eli get 70 rushing yards?
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
like a boss
Team Intervention:
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No clue!
lol – but it was in 32 attempts. So while he didn’t get sacked a lot (16) it wasn’t all tea and biscuits back there.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
If he cuts those down closer to his career average of 16 we will be in good shape
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
No friggin' doubt!
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Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
He's streaky in that way
when he’s at his best he’s spreading the ball around. But also when he’s force feeding one player like Plax, Nicks or for a few games it was Shockey it works.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
They refuse to go get someone in FA
so options are very limited. So right now Eli only has two reliable targets.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
You mean the Giants have two reliable targets at WR...
….and an unreliable QB
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd call him inconsistent and stubborn.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
They refuse? Was there a press release on that?
I don’t think JR refuses to do anything that fits the best interest of the team.
The Giants will probabaly move to LA because they suck so bad
the problem
isnt losing Boss. We didn’t utilize him much. The problem is replacing both our TE and slot WR.
by GMen56-11 on Aug 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This whole thing
is Comedy Thread Number 3…. Great stuff everyone
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
I can't remember in what context I heard this but it holds here
If you gave half the guys on this site a bag of gold they would complain it was too heavy.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
by blains2000 on Aug 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
haha
thats good
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
COMMENT OF THE MONTH!! REC"D
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
I would complain...
…but I’d do it as I was dragging the bag to my vehicle.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
Lol
niceeee
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
reply fail
^^^^ for blains
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lockout Hurt, in mutiple ways
Not enough time to get the starters in sync, tough for the rookies to get up to speed let alone learn the playbook. SS#12 was not an issue since he can not go yet, but Shockey’s departure I think took JR by surprise. We need a good blocking TE, who can contribute with a couple cathces each game. We don’t need a Pro Bowl TE, just a servicable one, and that really should not be that difficult to do
I DO NOT understand the bashing on Eli before a actual game starts
I sat through a 8-8 season where my team should have been 4-12 with the worst defense in the league. I know what Eli is capable of
Eli is capable of greatness
he just can’t stop his brain from farting apparently
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I sat through
Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kannel and other assorted drivel.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Great point.
Since Eli has come on to the scene, a disaster season for the Giants is going 8-8.
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Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Agreed!
I have always liked Eli(hell my dog’s name is Eli)and he has been good,great at times.Just seems to be a little off right now. sure hope he gets it together….if so they will be fine if not……well…..I’ll have a lot of hangovers this season! ha
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
I'm hoping you will have about 4 or 5 hangovers during the regular season.
And one GIANT hangover with a smile on the first Monday in Feb.
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Your sig bothers me.
Because it worries me…
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Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Well
Think of like this…at least he is on his last leg,Make or break, If he turns around the ST unit then great…..If not …..he’s GONE!(also great)
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
After the Jet game, Special Teams are now officially my biggest worry.
More so that Eli! Can you believe it! lol
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
I feel the same
IMO Eli will be OK when they stop running the vanilla game plan,but the Specials…..I hold my breath every time they are on the field! lol
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
May I ask the current group if they think that the Eagles FO has done a better job than
the Giants FO has? Because if you say yes, oh gee whiz, have I got an answer for you!
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
The Eagles have been one of the most consistent teams in the past 10 years
if we don’t win the superbowl we aren’t rennin the argument
The Eagles have consistently not won a superbowl in the past 10 years.
We have the same record as them over the past 3.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
sure it does if your draft picks and FA pickups contribute to that season.
and I can think of at least 6 players new to the squad that did….
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol I'll Def. Take a superbowl over not winning one but being extremely consistent
But it doesn’t show who has the better front office. Because Luck has alot to do with winning the superbowl. If the Cardinals had the same record as they had with their front office but won that superbowl and we lost our would you say the Cards have a better FO than ours? I sure as hell wouldn’t say so
that may be true....but look at our teams....
over the past 5 seasons, we’ve made the playoffs 3 times…the Eagles…4 times. We had the same record last year too, but because of tiebreakers, the Eagles made it and we didn’t. And over the past 5 years, our record: 48-32. Their record: 48-31-1. We’ve been just as consistent! Our playoff record? 4-3. Their playoff record? 3-4.
Honestly, outside of just fandom/rivalry, I don’t care that the Eagles beat us 6 in a row. Its just an L. It doesn’t cost more than another L, does it?
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It does cost more...
than another L. The L’s against the Eagles last season is what lost us the tie breaker.
by 91SBLASTGAME on Aug 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That packers game was what lost us the shot at the playoffs.
Not the Eagles game. I could care less for homefield advantage and winning the division. At least for us, it doesn’t matter all that much. we won the superbowl as wildcards.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, your right, BUT
do you think there is a psychological hurdle called “the Eagles” that the Giants need to get over if they are to have the confidence that’s needed for a team to know they can win it all? There are many examples in history of teams needing to beat a certain team before they won a SB.
The Giants themselves have said it is the Eagles that stand between them and a SB
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Sure it takes a psychological toll on you
but if you told me that over the past 5 seasons, with you and your rival:
Your rival beats you every year, twice a year, but you guys have identical records anyway, you have a better playoff record, and you have a superbowl win? I’ll take my 5 years over the rivals’ any day of the week.
Us beating the Eagles is the cherry on top when we do get around to beating them. I won’t lie, of course I’d like to kick their ass, but they are just 2 games on our schedule. They do not make or break us.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think we need to beat them for the lift in confidence.
The streak is not entering my thought process. Last years second game not only cost us the division, it cost us our season, IMO. The Giants were beat psychologically after that game. They lost the collective belief they had in themselves as a team.
Beat them this year and it will go a long way towards this team having the confidence needed to beat anybody. Kind of like what they gained in week 17 vs. the Pats in 2007.
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
My point is...
that a lose within the division is more important than a loss outside of the division.
To your point, it wasn’t just the Packers game that cost us the playoffs. All we needed is one more game. It could have been Tennessee, Indy, that one we dropped against Dallas, one more win and we’re in.
I’ll be extra pissed this year if Philly and us both have 10-6 records but Philly gets in because of the head to head W-L. Mind you, this is not a prediction, just a scenario.
by 91SBLASTGAME on Aug 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Two elite FO's, IMO.
One being better than another? Sounds like a debate you could have all day and never get a clear answer.
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Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
I'm not saying we're better.
But I refuse to say that they are either
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and haven't beaten them in six games
that irritates me to no end
I want Vick’s head on a plate
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Philly's offensive line blows
but what does that have to do with airing valid critiques about this team?
that said, I think we can hand Philly an ass whupping if the offense can keep themselves under control
pound the ball. Screw letting Manning force throws
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't, but there are a ton of people (not saying you Bills) that critique this squad's FO
while simultaneously praising their’s….and that ain’t right cause we basically operate the same way.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well, they handled their cap a lot better
but could care less what they do. I worry about why the Giants feel comfortable going into a season without a competent tight end?
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Bills. What do suggest they do?
I’m happy they didn’t trade Osi for a TE. I think not signing boss to that money was a smart move.
I agree about Boss
I would have shipped Osi out for a TE. Just someone that can start.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that guy man
we’d be going places with him
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point.
You’d trade one of the league’s best pass rushers for an average TE. But we already have three TE’s capable of being average if given the chance. Glad you’re not the GM.
How did they handle their cap a lot better?
With Vick’s new deal I think they’re out of space. Their O-line sucks, even with the big name signings their D-line is worse than ours, their LBs suck. How did they handle the cap so well with so many weaknesses?
they signed a dream team of players
but in all seriousness, I meant that they were in a better position to sign talent when the lockout ended. Believe me, I’m not one of these people that think that Philly is unstoppable
after watching that Browns game, I can’t wait for the Giants defense to get their hands on them. Vick will die
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They were in a better position b/c they have a few young guys on O for little money.
The rest of the team sucked completely entering the FA period. If they had more talent under contract they wouldn’t have had the cap space or the NEED for all the signings.
they sucked?
they beat us twice last year and made the playoffs
by MrDollarBills on Aug 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Entering FA,
their entire D sucked, their O-line sucked. They had a few guys, Vick included, on cheap deals, so they were in good shape to fill a lot of holes with FA signings. Now the space is gone and they still suck at LB and OL.
they released a lot of starters
gave long term contracts to players over 30 and their OL is terrible. Also one of the main cogs in the offense is getting paid 1/2 a million. Also they had to do a lot of what they did, their defense was terrible.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
As far as the cap goes....they did a few years ago, what we're doing now.
Getting cap friendly deals in place, and sitting on our superstars’ rookie deals. They are loading up now with free cap space what we did a few years ago when we added Antrel Rolle, Chris Canty, Rocky Bernard, signing Eli’s extension, etc….
What we did that year looks EXTREMELY similar to what the Eagles are doing this year. Make no mistake about it, we were “ALL IN” that year, and unfortunately injuries and poor play made it not pan out. Who knows if the Eagles’ new acquisitions will play well…we all thought Rolle and Canty and Bernard were strong as hell players….we extended Eli who was coming off a superbowl win and than a huge season afterwards….they extended vick after a near MVP like season….
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The Giants should run the football alot.
We got Bradshaw and Jacobs, lets ride em both.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
and they most likely will
they haven’t in the preseason cuz it’d be pretty dumb to get AB and Jake hurt now. Regular season, they run. Run will open up the pass, Eli looks better, yadda yadda.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
kinda what should happen, and thats how were going to beat the Eagles
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Hmmm
My little nephew – a Great Giant fan – only 7 years old suggest/asked, Does Eli needs glasses? Never thought of it, high throws, misses open players, delay of game, game clock may be tooooo far…you never know he may be onto something overhere. Eli with that big ass dome and glasses – Ala Dickerson. Forgetaboutit!
Now I get it
a lot of the posters on here are 7 years old. Thanks for clearing that up.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
by blains2000 on Aug 31, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hahaha
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Kids are so smart sometimes. ;-)
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Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Beckum/Bear/Ballard....best we can do???
I hope not!…..Beckum has been an enigma as a player so far, when he’s not hurt he’s invisible, when he’s hurt, we hear about his “potential”. I think ENOUGH. Lets just go out and pick up 3 guys off the waiver wire, and we’ll be just as good (or bad) as this current crew. Boss was a nice TE, but not the all-pro caliber some people or writers made him sound like. I am sorry, after Mark Bavaro and Jeremy Shockey (yeah i know Shockey didnt work out any more), i expect a little more than a Howard Cross type receiver. Cross was a GREAT blocker, but not a receiving threat…and THAT’s why our 3rd WR will have even more trouble this year. At least Boss actually made the defense cover him. when they didnt, he’d catch that 20 yrd first down for us. Again, Boss is a concussion away from retirement and I didn’t mind us not resigning him. however, Bear is not a natural receiver, and Ballard…..? who knows….. i see at least 2 TE’s getting picked up at final cut down. I wouldnt be surprised to see us pick up a nice Vet with mediocre numbers…..and at least put him out there as a receiving threat. As far as a blocking TE….heck….if you are gonna run….use an OL as your blocker.
Besides…….have we EVER been able to fake anyone out when we bring in a second TE? or even a third? look at the numbers……how many catches has our 2nd TE ever caught?? Put Jacobs out there if you are serious about throwing to your second or 3rd TE!…
i say we keep only 2 TEs. carrying a 3rd on the weakest position only wastes a roster space when it should be used on a more talented player that might get cut. It seems we might have some young talented LBs this year….keep one of them instead.
Sort of agree
Problem with keeping two is which ones? Ballard might have just enough potential that someone nabs him if we try to get him onto the ST. Bear is also the back up fullback, so his versatility makes him a little more valuable to us. Unless they give up on Beckum suddenly, he is making the team. I know these guys are all flawed and or incomplete in some ways, but I don’t see anyone coming off the waiver wires at cutdown that is any better. If a team has three good ones they will probably find a way to keep them for a while. Complete TE’s are hard to find in the NFL.
JR thought he had Boss in his hip pocket. I can’t blame him though. Boss is a loyal guy and knew worked himself into a nice niche here. Damn crypt keeper made Boss a ridiculous offer.
Go Giants!
TE is not a problem
I mean we have a proven commodity at fullback, a proven go-to 3rd receiver in the slot and a QB that’s extremely concerned about the situation and working full time to improve it!
Oh……….we don’t have any of those things?
Errrr……..THROW REESE FROM THE BLIMP!
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Go ahead. Hit it. You'll feel better.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I’m in the camp that says the best TE someone tries to slip to the practice squad is ours. You need two TE’s who can play on 1st down (block and receive) and since Beckum will make the squad and can’t block that means the other two TE’s need to be able to do both. We don’t even have one of those. We need to pick at least one up from someone.
Deal Osi for a TE
Get SOMETHING for him and end the madness…… It would be a win win for us and any team that would do it.
Our best TE in 2010 is still available
Shawn Andrews did great as an extra lineman. We should have tried throwing to him. He’s still out there I believe.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
John Clayton has his QB rankings out
9. Eli Manning, New York Giants
Analysis: I tried to move him higher in the rankings, but that notion was intercepted. He is now expected to throw for 4,000 yards a season because he’s that good. But he can’t continue to have 25-interception seasons. The loss of Kevin Boss and Steve Smith along with an unsettled offensive line will make his job tougher.
Arrow is pointing: down (for reference, Eli is the only QB in the Top 20 with a “down” arrow)
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
Pointing down
Of course. Hasn’t it always?
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Mmmmmk
for reference, Eli is the only QB in the Top 20 with a "down" arrow
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 31, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mmm, here's the thing, mmmkkkay.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
mmmmm drugs are bad mmmmmmk
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 31, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea mmmmmmmmmmmmmkk
Acid is bad mmmmmmmmmmkkk
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 31, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm Eli Manning is baaaad mmmkay?
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
You know we will be forced to hear about Eli's INTs each and every week this season from every sports analyst...
It’s gonna be brutal. I think most people want to see him throw 50 this season…just so they have something to talk about next year.
Eli could CATCH 20 interceptions this year and they would still talk about the 25 last year.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
I said it yesterday
See if Minnesota is willing to trade Shiancoe back to us.
Contrary to what some may wanna believe, preseason performances aren’t irrelevant. The games don’t count, but individual performances can be very telling, and right now, the performances of our TEs have been VERY telling.
Shiancoe isn’t a Pro Bowler or anything, but we don’t need a Pro Bowler. We need someone who can be a competent all-around TE. Of any potential option out there, Shiancoe has at least played with Eli and for this coaching staff before. If he could come in and catch 30 passes and 5 TDs, I think it’d be worth our while.
The NFL and NFLPA? They can kiss my ass, OK? They can line up and kiss my ass.
Can Shiancoe block?
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
that's basically all they asked him to do when he was here
even though he was a “pass catching TE” in college…
and has been one every since he left.
go figure.
TeamJPP
Oh this is the bed we made....
I guess we’ll have to lay in it. If we are at the point of hoping someone decent get’s cut so we can find our starting tight end, then we deserve what we get. We either should have drafted someone incase Boss left, signed Boss or restructured contracts last year so we could get a FA.
Beckum looks like chess player who just wondered onto a football field.
MG tells it as it is
As usual, it’s about Eli missing throws and staying locked in on a receiver no matter what, and about Gilbride’s offense being too complicated.
Manning tried to find Cruz on a third down against the Jets after Cruz made a great move to get past Jets cornerback Kyle Wilson, but it was a tough throw for Manning over Wilson and into a small window to the 6-foot Cruz. Manning overshot Cruz and, after a penalty, the Giants were forced to punt. Manning also didn’t see Cruz breaking up the right seam on his second interception when he eyed Ahmad Bradshaw the whole way.
"It’s tough, man, especially when you’ve got to make a lot of those reads and do things on the fly," Cruz said while discussing the slot position after Monday’s game. "Mainly just reading the coverages and understanding what routes you have according to those coverages because, when things are going, when things are loud and Eli’s making checks at the line, you still have to listen to him and make sure you’re reading the coverages.
"It’s hard but that’s when you have to get in the playbook, get in the film room and understand what you have to do."
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
By the way
Cruz is taller than Smith.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
he flat out stares people down
but not for nothing…he always has.
MG ain’t pointing out anything that any knowledgable fan doesn’t already know
also, I’m surprised you haven’t pointed out the fact that they also missed on a shot to MM in the endzone when MM went inside and Eli threw outside.
Banks gave credit to Revis but if you’ll notice…MM was never really looking to go outside, hell, he wasn’t even looking at Eli…he was running his route and that route was going inside….
TeamJPP
BUT
I will say this….I thought on the fade route to MM later in the game in the endzone (also incomplete…obviously), was a good throw from Eli.
MM ran to the corner and basically tried to set both feet in bounds before attempting to catch the ball, which i guess is ok…but the DB easily deflected the pass. I really thought MM’s only shot was to kinda leave his feet and go up and get that ball.
the Defense was pretty good on the pass, but the pass really was spot on. You gotta go up and get that one…not wait for it w/ both feet firmly planted on the ground.
TeamJPP
but getting back to my first point about Eli and MM on the misread
that was really neithers fault…that was a product of the system.
it’s a read route and MM read inside, Eli read outside.
who was wrong?
i didn’t buy that stuff about “Revis took the outside away”. If anything…Eli mis read it….because if Revis was “taking it away” why’d Eli go outside?
food for thought….
TeamJPP
I thought Manningham made the right read
He was wide open on the inside and there was no room on the outside. I don’t know why Eli would throw it to the sideline.
On the end zone throw, Manningham just dropped it. It was right there.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Are you talking about this one?
“Later in the game, Mannigham started to break to the outside on a go route, which is Manning’s signal to put the ball to the outside. But as Manning released, Manningham decided not to fight CB Darrelle Revis and broke to the inside and ran his route there. You can’t do that kind of stuff. That’s what I mean by the passing game being out of sync.”
That was from MG’s game review.
…btw, how do you put quotes in those boxes?
The NFL and NFLPA? They can kiss my ass, OK? They can line up and kiss my ass.
Two views
Manningham tried to go outside, saw it wasn’t there, and came back inside. Maybe he should’ve stayed outside and fight for the pass.
Eli saw Manningham’s initial move outside and threw it. Maybe he should’ve seen that there wasn’t much room there and waited for something else to open up.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
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Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
If we're not satisfied with the players we have
then we have to play the waiting game and hope.
Although, one of the coaches’ jobs is to see that they put players in a position to be successful, and as long as KG is here, we should just keep the guys we have. They’re not going to be utilized for much other than blockers anyhow, unless something radically changes. It’s just what it is. Run first.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
we can always go to the .......
West Coast offense…and forget tight ends altogether on passing downs……i dont mean a full fledged WC O. I mean spread offense where in obvious passing downs, we put in WR….and see..if one comes free.. I personally don’t think we do enough of that, especially when we DID have Smith. Barden is gone so we don’t even have a tall WR….not that he ever did anything but cut himself shaving, and go on IR.
I really think keep 3 TEs out of THIS bunch is a waste. Keep Bear because he will be your blocker or FB…pending Hynoski’s performance. Beckum has showed nothing, unless he and Eli don’t click in the locker room. Its hard to even see if he’s getting open since they hardly throw to him…..when they do…it always seems he drops or pass is not catchable. I can honestly say , i have NO idea what kind of speed this guy has, when he has the ball…….cause i can’t remember a REAL catch YET!.
In my eyes, we cut our losses now with him. The job is his for the taking, and he can’t seem to do anything about it. He’s actually slipping…from potential to dead weight. I guess we need to get to the waiver wire…..Crumpler would be an improvement no matter HOW old…he’s a cagy vet. None of these guys have TE instincts for getting off the line and isolating with a LB. Crumpler will probably catch more passes with ANY team than all of our current roster TEs combined. At this point, we are not going to get Bavaro on the cut down date….
Shiancoe i’d rather see if he gets cut. Trading for him would also be useless…since he failed as the blocking TE once before, and never caught on…as a catching TE… again…a roster spot taken up with no productivity. Keep an extra receiver…and hope we can use the spread formation with more success. ANYONE for Sinorice Moss…..for TE??? lol
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