Giants Vs. Jets, 'Kudos & Wet Willies' Review
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
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Let's get right down to the serious business of handing out the 'Kudos & Wet Willies' following Monday night's 17-3 loss to the New York Jets.
Kudos to ...
Will Beatty: The Giants new starting left tackle showed up in the run game with a couple of aggressive lead blocks, including one pancake of a Jets defender. Need to see more of that from him.
Hakeem Nicks: Five catches for 71 yards in his best effort of the preseason thus far.
Michael Boley: The starting weakside linebacker was active with seven tackles. He was better and more aggressive at the line of scrimmage than I can remember from the past couple of seasons.
Clint Sintim: Yes, a 'kudos' for Sintim. Six tackles and a fumble recovery after entering the game in the first half when Mathias Kiwanuka injured a groin. The fumble recovery was impressive because right before the snap Sintim made a subtle adjustment in his positioning that put him in the right spot. He also made a couple of run stops in the backfield or right at the line of scrimmage. Best work from him that I can recall.
Ahmad Bradshaw: Was not expected to play and did not play much. But, there is just a huge difference in the Giants offense when he is in the game. Nobody else on the Giants can doe what he does.
Aaron Ross: Impressive coverage on Plaxico Burress a couple of times. So far, so good with Ross as a starting corner. He has skills, if he can just keep his body in one piece.
Antrel Rolle: His first game covering slot receivers, and he did a nice job. Really nothing completed in his direction and he was barely noticeable -- which was just fine.
Justin Tuck: I don't care what his numbers were, I just continue to be amazed at how hard the guy plays on every single snap. Preseason or not, he is all out on every play. That is how you lead a defense.
Wet Willies to ...
Special Teams: After looking really good a week ago against Chicago the special teams were pitiful against the Jets. Let's look at the culprits.
- Jerrel Jernigan: Three muffed punts and a fumbled one following an OK return. The shame of it is that the one time he did make a clean catch Jernigan broke off a 22-yard return that was about one step from being much bigger. He's a rookie trying to find his way, and he just doesn't look comfortable or decisive right now. The Giants can't have him back there Week 1 against Washington.
By the way, an addition 'Wet Willie' to the 'Cut Jernigan' brigade in the comments sections of earlier posts. You don't cut a third-round pick, or try to push him to the practice squad. You coach them and try to develop them. - Devin Thomas: Hey Devin, one great game does not guarantee you a roster spot or the kick return job. Catch the ball and run forward with it. Dropping the ball out of bounds at the 5-yard line is not good.
- Kickoff coverage: Putrid again, like it was too often last season. The worst part of Antonio Cromartie's long return was the number of Giants laying on the ground as Cromartie zoomed by. Until Rhys Lloyd shoved him out of bounds no Giant got within 10 yards.
By the way, it was actually kind of fun watching the pot-bellied Lloyd cut off Cromartie and get him out of bounds. You can bet Cromartie is hearing about that from his teammates. I am excepting Lloyd from the special teams 'Wet Willies.' The tackle, a kickoff through the end zone and field goal were good work. The blocked kick was not his fault, either. - Field-goal blocking: You have got to be kidding me here? A blocked kick from a defender right in the middle for the second time in three games? Blocking for these kicks should not be that difficult, and whoever it is/was who can't do that job simply should not be on the field.
Eli Manning: I will give Eli a little bit of a pass on the first interception since it was a fourth-down play. Still, it was a back foot throw that was way off target. {UPDATE: We have etsablished that I was incorrect on the fourth-down part of the assessment. Which means it was a ball Eli never should have thrown}. The second throw never should have been made and was discouraging to watch. A guy with his pedigree has to know better than to throw that ball. He also missed a couple of wide open receivers, including Mario Manningham on what should have been a long touchdown. Eli has to stop talking about making better decisions or taking better advantage of opportunities, and actually start DOING those things.
By the way, a 'Wet Willie' to those of you blabbering about how bad Manning is and how the Giants need to go find a quarterback of the future. When will you guys accept the fact that, warts and all, Manning is the quarterback for the foreseeable future?
Brandon Jacobs: Ruined what was a good night for him (10 carries, 51 yards) by initiating a fight with Jets rookie defensive tackle Muhammad Wilkerson. I don't care that it was a preseason game, or that it was Jets-Giants, you have to show better discipline than stupidly trading punches and getting ejected. Discipline doesn't magically show up in the regular season when you don't display it in preseason.
Deon Grant: For the same reason as Jacobs. These guys have been around a long time and they need to be better than that. Grant basically handed the Jets a touchdown taking a really dumb personal foul inside the 10-yard line.
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What you do now dictates what may happen in the future if not corrected. TC needs to get tough on these guys. I think he is being laid back.
Hyneros he looked bad again. Can not wait for the cuts to come in. I do not think the starters need to play the pats.
Hynoski
I didn’t think he looked bad. I would have to watch the film again, but he started and I though he did OK from what I saw. Thought Ballard did OK, too.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Ed!
is there anyway that fans can get film to review…I mean with all this technolgy out there we should be able to look at old games once they are done?
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 30, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Bear started at FB, not Hynoski
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Hynoski started actually
NBC for some reason had Bear in there, but #45 was in there from the start.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I could have sworn the first play was Bear. Perhaps I saw it wrong.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
rorshach is correct...hynoski started the first play. Dunno how many plays he got in before pascoe came in tho
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
ah my mistake.
Good, that’s what I wanted, Hynoski getting most of the first team reps. The guy should be our FB, we gotta get him used to first team action.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see Pascoe in there at all, at least at FB
Hynoski was in there for most or all of the time a FB was in there with the ones.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Wet Willy for NBC
how many plays did they miss coming back from commercial late?
Lol I noticed that
I think it was three. But one they had to re kick, so technically two.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched the game on NFL Network
I wasn’t sure if it was a problem with the feed between NBC and NFL Network.
How come some areas got it on NFL network.
I live in Central Jersey, and I had NFL Total Access on NFL Network
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hynoski
Played almost the entire first half as the fullback.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Ed,
my eyes deceived me yet again. Good to see he got the bulk of the first team reps.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Ed, I didn't get to catch much of the game
How did Brian Williams look?
Do you know of any other recently cut defensive backs that the giants might go after?
you come at the king you best not miss...
Williams
He barely played. My guess is he plays a little more Thursday, but nothing to report on him.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Travis Beckum?
How did he fare on run and pass blocking?
2 for 2, short ones
but dropped one near the goal line he should have caught.
Some good blocks, some not.
Again, barely adequate.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked Beckum
He looked decent blocking, and made a nice catch going over the middle to move the chains.
2 for 3, not 2 for 2
Typo. Still not starter quality.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the one where he had the defender draped over his back?
How on earth was he supposed to catch that?
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by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The ball hit his body from what I saw
That is catchable, what starters do.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
eli
Looks like he has forgotten last season and reverted back to his rookie year. Throwing off his back foot, inaccurate passes and poor decisions. And why are we not hitting these receivers on the run – everything looks like a curl route or someone sitting down in the zone somewhere. Maybe its just me!
by leviathen2003 on Aug 30, 2011 8:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Eli
Geez, chill a bit. The guy made one bad decision — his first bad decision in three games. I didn’t like the back foot throw, but he has always done that and always will. That one was fourth down so, incomplete, intercepted … it made no difference.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
What has me upset is
not only a terrible decision, forcing balls again but this is shades of last year again. Some real lost overthrows too.
I know there were no OTAs and training camp but he looked exactly as bad as previous. And the dopey attitude. I want fire, want him to want to win and express is vehemently. That is what leaders do.
I am not calling for his head. He is a top 10QB (not top 5) and he is here to stay. But he HAS to do better.
“What you do speaks so loudly I cannot hear a word you say” applies.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
i aint calling for his head
But forget the int. – I m talking about a majority of his passes this preseason have been forced – the receivers are covered tight, heosnt finding the open man and his incpmpletions are glaring. He seems to have happy feet and as leader of the offense he needs to get some control.
by leviathen2003 on Aug 30, 2011 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know we need to chill...
my concern with Eli is that he will start doubting himself and get into a funk so to speak…he should be making better decisions with the ball…take the sack and keep the possession should be his mantra this year.
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 30, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
ED, i am not so sure his first pick came on 4th down
I cant be positive, but i think it was 1st or 2nd down.
by yahyahs8440 on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I guess I read somewhere that it was fourth down or an announcer said that and it stuck in my head. If it was not fourth down then he deserves more criticism than I gave him for that throw.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It was Eli who said it was on 4th down....
in his “ingame internview”.
he just gets in these funks sometimes...
He’s capable of going on great streaks, but has these bad ones, that just shouldn’t be.
Very frustrating.
Yes, i know he’s the QB for foreseeable future. That makes it all the more frustrating to know. He has the talent, experience and opportunity and still doing same mistakes. Is it the QB or the system?
Jerrel Jernigan
= the second coming of Sinorice Moss
Way too early
to put that label on him. This is preseason. Give the guy time … and keep him away from punt returns.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Jernigan returns
I know Jernigan returned punts in college (and 37 last year isn’t a lot), but I recall reading that he had never returned punts before NFL scouts told him to start working on it. Returning punts and kick-offs is two very different skills, punts being trickier. I agree that it’s just a lack of confidence and a lack of experience at this point. No reason to cut the guy or try and sneak him to the PS. He’s got talent, and if we need to throw Hixon back there in the meantime the coaches will. Why not use the pre-season to get the kid some reps and see what he has? And remember, reciever is the hardest spot for a rookie to make and impact (or so ESPN continuously tells us). Staff trying to get the most out of him. Don’t give up on the kid as a contributor.
As I recall, Sinorice did well in the pre-season
It wasn’t until the regular season that he was invisible.
With some players, you see flashes of speed and brilliance: Da’rel Scott, Victor Cruz, Jacobs Bradshaw, etc. I just have not seen anything like that from Jernigan where I say , whoa, we need this guy’s speed, cutting ability, etc.
Maybe TC should throw him out there again with NE and see if we see any potential. However, we are probably better off giving the practice to someone we may use in the season.
by scarlet knight on Aug 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli
no touchdowns all pre season, not a single 1 Ed. Easy to say you’re elite, hard part is proving it. Unless you’re A.J. Burnett, then you just dye your hair.
At what point do we stop making excuses
I am sick of hearing its only preseason. The man makes bone head mistake after bone head mistake. Just because its PRESEASON doesnt mean you heave it off your back leg while hardly looking or try to force a ball into double coverage. The fact that the giants offense has not scored a TD in 2 out of 3 PRESEASON games is putrid. I dont hear many excuses coming from guys on here about how the special teams stink, how Quinn has job is mind blowing!!!
At what point do you start over reacting?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Preseason
teams run very plain offenses and defenses especially against opponents they’ll face during the regular season.
even more of a reason
Eli shouldn’t be making those mistakes. I am not saying get rid of the guy, but i am getting concerned that he will never stop making dumb choices and everyone knows, nfl teams cant win turning the ball over twice a game……..
by yahyahs8440 on Aug 30, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy E
is not elite, never will be!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t watch the tape but how exactlyy did Hynoski look bad … The Giants ran the ball at will against the Jets all night long … The Oline and the Fullback get the credit when Jacobs , Ware and Bradshaw basically ran up and down the field
by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 30, 2011 9:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I actually thought
Hynoski looked pretty good. He’s not strong enough yet (that always comes after guy have had a year of NFL training programs under their belt) to blow people up, but he did run with the starters and held his own in blocking schemes. He stood up a number of people and made sure of his assignments.
The rest will come with time.
This kid will be a fine FB for us this year.
You down wit JPP?
by Flynner on Aug 30, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm very encouraged by Sintim's strong showing
Loved the running game. It did not matter who was running it, or was blocking, we dominated in the run game.
Receivers got open, including Bekum.
Secondary covered well.
Defense overall was very good.
Eli was atrocious. As far as INT’s, he hasn’t changed
Jacobs selfish behavior hasn’t changed
Piss-poor ST’s hasn’t changed. At this point, I am convinced it is the coaching.
Blitzers got free up the middle, AGAIN. But I’m not worried, we have a competent coach in that area.
That being said, it’s preseason.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Beckum
here’s my problem with Beckum. He’s so slow out of his cuts. Watch him on the pass inside the 5. He’s slow motion out of his cuts. He shuffles his feet too much.
Piss-poor ST’s hasn’t changed. At this point, I am convinced it is the coaching.
I’m at a loss as to why Quinn is still coaching ST. It’s painfully obvious something is terribly wrong.
Man that was tough to watch
JJ no more punt returns for you son. I don’t know the offense was so up and down I got an upset stomach. Defense played very well when the starters were in. Special Teams come on. I can’t take another year of this crap.Tom Quinn I hate you. At least be on the sideline screaming your bloody head off. I don’t think that S.O.B. is at the game.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I suspect
Hixon will have his old job back, that was brutal!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
FB Jerome Felton has just been released by the Lions.
Might be a nice pick-up, although I’m not sure what our salary cap situation is as of today? Trading/releasing Rosenfels hopefully will free up a bit of space, but market value may put him out of our range.
Darth Vader: Obi-Wan never told you what happened to Rhett Bomar.
Luke Skywalker: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Darth Vader: No. I am Rhett Bomar.
Luke Skywalker: No... that's not true! That's impossible!
As a Lions fan you don't know how happy we are to hear that other NFL teams actually want our cuts!
In previous years, the cuts from the Lions went straight to the unemployment line and we waited eagerly to bolster our pathetic line up with cast offs from real football teams.
Can’t wait for the season to begin!
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Eli has to understand
when it’s not there – it’s not there.
Overall, I’m really happy with what I saw but I think everyone will feel better if we put up two TD’s against NE before going into the season.
I’d like us to rest the defense against NE. The goal against NE should be to play the backups and rookies to see what we have there since there are so many competitions going on right now. I’d hate to cut the wrong LB.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
i said it before...
And ill say it again. I do truly think elis helmet from getting hit in the head last season hinders his sight. If u look at his old helmet its sleek and more fitted. This helmet is bulky and big. Anyone else agree?
by S OzZy825 on Aug 30, 2011 9:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I think you're on to something
ha
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
why is he still wearing the big helmet?
that hit was a year ago
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Good game
I thought we faired pretty well last night against one half of the self-proclaimed AFC championship game participants. First team defense was very good, running game was great. As for Eli, well as Ed said, that’s Eli. He’s in his 8th year, from now on you have to channel your Dennis Green with your expectations, Eli is, who we thought he is. Last year I was still fooled enough to think mid-season he could learn to not make as bad of decisions and protect the ball. He didn’t, so to expect anything different is misplaced. He’ll be good to very good for us and we’ll have to hope the defense still has a lot of takeaways in them.
Really people???
Stop getting so down on Eli. This is PRESEASON!!! He gets a couple series per game and probably has a bit more rust due to the short camp. His WRs have not been doing him any favors either. Simple fact is that Eli is a good QB. Look at his stats, including the 25 INTs from last year that maybe half were entirely his fauly, he throws for 4000+ yds, 30 TDs and seldomly gets sacked. He made arguably the greatest play in Super Bowl history. Oh no, he has not thrown a TD pass in preseason. Seriously? That is your gauge of a top caliber QB? I think some people need to re-evaluate their grading system. I like to look at Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl MVPs, and how a team responds to their QB. Let’s see: Eli has a SB win, he has a SB MVP (only 1 of 5 current QBs to boast that accomplishment), and I cannot find the stat, but I know he has several 4th Q comeback victories. Eli can make all the throws on the field, is a very smart at reading defenses, and is a quiet, reserved leader. Why are you all tearing this dude apart? Do you know how many teams would kill to have Eli? And for those of you crucifying Eli, who would you rather have at QB, a dog killer or a rapist? Looking the best of the best, the last I heard Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers were all taken. Guess who is next in line as an elite QB? That’s right: Eli.
by CCE718 on Aug 30, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I know its preseason
but Eli cannot make plays like that..and I think the guy is a really good QB but this helter skleter approach to the pass rush and the back foot throws have to stop! he needs to get the ball down that one back foot throw would have been complete if it was lower. But no cause for alarm unless of course he does it week one.
Exactly
If he does it week 1. For all I care, he can throw 100 ints in preseason if it means that he will not throw one in the first game of the year. I also think that the WRs need to do a better job of catching and holding onto the ball (that is more of a critique from last year).
in all honesty
If our starting offense plays the way it did last night going into the season -than what’s our record come week 6? They just haven’t shown they are prepared to compete. They look bad and to qualify it by saying it’s only preseason I think you’re fooling yourselves.
by leviathen2003 on Aug 30, 2011 9:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is preseason
Our team does not go for it 4th and 1 in regular season like they did yesterday, a good example of how it is preseason football. I do think they have a different mentality right now than they will in week 1. I will evaluate this team at some point between the evening of Sunday, 9/11 and Monday, 9/12. I just do not think it’s fair to crucify this team right now, given the new pieces along the o-line and the WR/TE situation.
also
let’s not forget 3/5 of the line is new players or position. All things considered they seem to be jelling nicely.
The O really wasnt bad
Some nice runs and Nicks, Ham made some plays so as I said no cause for alarm. Of course no points. But Week 1 I expect to see the full arsenal of this O and If Killdrive is still going shotgun inside in the 10 and running that same draw play I’m gonna snap!
by NYG86-90-07 on Aug 30, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao
I’m sorry, but your statement saying do you know how many teams would KILL for Eli Manning was just a little funny to me. He threw 25 picks last year and didn’t make the top 100. I mean is he really the 5th best QB in the league in your opinion?
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
LOL@ didn't make top 100
I can’t believe someone actually used that to try and disprove a statement. That is hilarious.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yes
Top 5, I think that is about right. Hey, did you watch Super Bowl XLII? I forget, who won? Who was the Super Bowl MVP? Read my post again, only 5 current active QBs in the NFL are Super Bowl MVPs, Eli is one of them. That 25 INT year was a fluke. Didn’t Bress have 22 INTs last year and isn’t he listed as elite? The media and a lot of fans just love to rag on Eli, probably because he is soft spoken, a bit of an enigma, and goofy. But that is what I love about the dude. He is not flashy and is a family man. Yeah, I would say that about 17-25 NFL teams would kill to have Eli as their QB. Probably not the Patriots, but ask me again in about 3-4 years when their pretty boy starts regressing and Eli is still in his prime.
25!!!
Jesus man, there are only 32 teams. Never mind that;
How is Eli the 5th best?
Ok there is brady,manning,brees, rodgers, and then E. Manning?
What about Ben Roehtlisberger. He has more rings than Eli. Or Rivers he is just a better passer. The stats just don’t lie he has been a beast in SD for a while not just the last 2 years.
25 teams would kill for Eli Manning. I just don’t buy that. He’s not really considered to be an elite QB around the league. He’s only made one pro bowl, he hasn’t really put up great stats compared to other elite QBs, he has miss the playoffs twice in a row, I just can’t see it, he is a good QB, top 10 in most circles, but he usually is in that 9 spot rather than 5.
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
17-25 teams is what I wrote
Ben has one more ring than Eli, yet, in 2 Super Bowl trips, has yet to get the MVP. Each time it went to a WR. The biggest thorn in Eli’s side is Gilbride. But that is a whole different conversation that I is a little taboo around these parts. Nevertheless, Gilbride has hamstrung Eli in a lot of ways. But yes, I am standing by my argument that Eli is top 5, elite QB. Question my football knowledge, I dare you. Played for 11, coached for 5, been a fan for 30. Heck, with the game on the line, I think I would rather have Eli at the helm than some of the other QBs that grade better than him, just because of this dude’s ability to read. Oh, keep Rivers out of the conversation. Until he wins a SB, better yet gets close to a SB, he is a nonfactor. One more thing, Peyton had the luxury of some incredible WRs surrounding him. Once Nicks and Manningham get a bit more seasoned, watch for opinions on Eli to change.
I also think
Hynoski and Ballard did ok. Question all night long was, why not use Ballard in the middle more often? Seemed to us the play was there for the taking. Hynoski led BJ on a couple of runs in the first quarter. He did ok, but I guess with more playing time he will get better. What’s with Eli and delays of game? No one is talking about that either. I won’t say anything else about this guy Eli, but come on bro!
The delay of game
What we don’t know is if there was a delay in getting a play call to him. Still, that can’t happen in that spot.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Another hold over from last year
He needs his head examined. Really, maybe a head coach or something. He is far too lackadasical coming up to the line.
Get some overall urgency.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
enough
with the pre snap routine. eli is better when he’s not over thinking. thats why his 2 minute drill looks great. how many times do we need to see him pointing out the mike, trying tomake the perfect play, when it blows up on him and he does somethign silly. i would rather watch him walk up to the line without .01 left and not give the d an opty to tee off on him because he HAS snap the ball
That was the result
of him barking the line calls, after 7 years though?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Delay of Game
IMO a huge problem with the Giants offense is almost every play the ball is snapped with 1 or 2 seconds on the play clock. They need to get the play in quicker and the ball snapped quicker.
That's on Gillbride.
When Eli gets to the LOS with 10 seconds on the play clock then has to call out his reads and identify the Mike, he has no shot to get the play off. Most of the delay of games are on GIllbride, he takes forever to decide what play to call and get it into the huddle.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
that route and catch ballard made looked like a starting TE to me.
I'm not terribly worried about the score
It really looked like the Giants shut their playbook when they got inside the 20. The offense was vanilla the whole game, but once they hit the redzone, it switched to an ice cube.
I was impressed with the fact that they were able to move the ball as easily as they were, and that the Nicks/’Rio got good separation on Revis Cromartie.
The starting defense looked very good. The running game looked good as well.
Both punters looked good, and so did Lloyd. I said after last game that Izzo must have locked Quinn in a closet after the Carolina game… and now I think someone let him out.
I hate losing, but I think they were just trying to get through the game showing as little as absolutely possible.
Jacobs
Obviously that is not what we want to see out of him. But Jacobs is very passionate and emotional out on the field and I think if you take that away you lose what makes him a good player. Some passive guy who does not play way more intense than he likely should would scare no one, do nothing to pump up his teammates, and quite frankly not play in a punishing manner as Jacobs does. I think he needs to control it better, but if he controls it too much it will be a waste.
I was just reading back through some earlier posts
Like Ed said. For those of you who are saying cut JJ12 just LOL hahahahahahahah your nuts
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Both defenses on these teams were stout
as much as I hate the Jest, their trio of WRs is pretty good with Plax, Holmes and Mason. They couldn’t do ANYTHING against Ross, Webs and I guess you gotta throw Rolle in there. Our defense was stout.
On offense, our two runners simply look rejuvenated. I can’t wait to see them just wear down the defense. Ware looks like he deserves to make it a trio I like his overall skillset.
As for Eli, one of the two INTs was a truly dumb one. The one over the middle is mostly on Cruz for running a slow ass route, you can’t do that on a blitz situation. All the talk about cutting Jernigan is foolish as is any talk of cutting Cruz, but I’d cut Cruz before I cut Jernigan based on that play. There was stuff there for him, a few throws to Manningham were open. In the regular season he’s hit them. Everyone’s seen it. So I have no doubts he’ll do it in the regular season.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
also I gotta say that Aaron Maybin looks like he's gonna be a steal for the Jest
he looks incredibly fast even if he also looks like a WR.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
true
I thought he was a safety at first, then I heard the announcers call his name and I was surprised. He looked good out there. Also, the announcers stated that he joined the Jest this summer, which was misleading considering he joined them maybe 2 weeks ago (not even?).
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Maybe it's because
he spends all his time lining up in the neutral zone. I’m a huge PSU fan and he did it on every play in college. It’s ridiculous. The only time I saw he got called for it was in the Rose Bowl and it’s just a dumb mistake that he should’ve got called on two or three times last night.
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln
Ross
shut down the Jets receivers. The same thing can’t be said for CW. I was pleasantly surprised by the play of Ross.
the same most definitely can be said of Web
dunno why it couldn’t.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
not surprised
you watched a different game than others. Jets WR were getting some separation from CW.
ever you say bub
once again, I’m not the only one that’s saying Web played well. I’m watching the same game you are, I just don’t choose to fear monger.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
never said
CW didn’t play well. I said Ross “shut down” the Jets WRs.
lol
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Web let up one pass, the TD, and he tried to bait the throw, the ball just beat him to the spot.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
CW played well
the one touchdown came when he was being screened by rolle in the backfield, so his timing was a little off. he still made a great play on the ball, but santonio is a damn good receiver and outplayed him….one time. are we forgetting that sanchez had 64 passing yards?
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
I'll watch the replay
there was another play where Holmes had good separation from CW for a big gain.
cweb got cute on the TD to holmes
and baited the throw…
Sanchez actually put something on it though and squeezed it in there.
the fact is, the coverage was spot on….and I would like to think we don’t see that again.
other than that, Cweb was lights out….who cares about a back shoulder catch. those are going to happen here and there.
the TD shouldn’t have happened though.
TeamJPP
The First team D
I thought they looked pretty good not alot of pressure but good against the run and the dirty sanchez looked confused by the coverage most of the time the TD was a short field so that is on our wonderful ST.
Overall what Ed said
The D was very good but the O, as represented by Eli, sucked eggs.
Some good work on the O line and some good running as a result.
Beckum’s drop unacceptable. He just cannot seem to produce. Ballard good. I did not see Bear do anything special.
The STs, well this is ridiculous. Now TQ has new people, plus Hixon is back (he did not return last night) and the blocking schemes and coverage still stink. Can someone get the message to TC/JR that STs are not supposed to lose games for us, they are spozed to be on our side.
JJ sucked on returns, yes but stop the dopey talk about him being cut. 4 weeks with no training camp and you slam him? Nonsense.
Yes, Thomas really screwed up but his catch and run showed determination. I am biased but I give him another chance.
Rhys LLoyd has done well, someone tell me why he cannot push Tynes out? He kicks off further for sure.
Overall, this team looks lost again. TC walking around like he has Alzheimer’s again. He cannot seem to keep this team together, despite the talent.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
Lloyd
Could push Tynes in my opinion. Question is, whether the Giants actually see it as a competition.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Gilbride
He gets a continous Wet Wille until he is fired!
he hasn't even returned a kick or a punt this year
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah
and he is still better than what we’re putting out there…..by far
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
there's no way to determine that he'd be any better then anyone else
also what happened to the one game wonder Devin Thomas? One game he’s Dante Hall, the next game he needs to be made into mince meat.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Devin Thomas is garbage. He was Garbage in Washington, and he will be garbage here if we keep him. He shows small flashes of doing good things things, but mostly he does nothing.
Take it easy on Devin
HE had a great camp and played well in all the last 2 preseason games give him a break.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Agreed
Thomas made some bad mistakes last night but there is some talent there. Starter? No, too inconsistent. Can he contribute? Yes.
Garbage is strong word, I don’t think it appies.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Thomas was a 2nd round pick that lasted slightly over 2 seasons with the team that drafted him. You don’t think he got cut for a reason? Do you really want to bottom feed off the Skins mistakes?
We got rid of Visanthe Shiancoe
guess he really sucked too.
Look at what happened. Not a good measure.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Shiancoe was the 27th pick in the 3rd round. Thomas was the 3rd pick in the 2nd round. Sort of a big difference there for one thing.
Allowing Shiancoe to leave was a mistake, but I think the Giants felt they had enough depth at TE at the time to keep him. The Skins did not have depth at WR when they let Thomas go.
We had Shockey at the time
Shiancoe left on his own, that’s why we drafted Boss, he really blossomed in Minny, but at the time no way were we giving Shiancoe a new contract with Shockey on the roster
by Late for Dinner on Aug 30, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude was drafted by the deadskins
They couldn’t coach up a wet paper bag let alone a 2nd rounder. Thomas has got the skills to be good and will contribute to this football team.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Deadskins also can't draft woth a damm either
Thomas has talent but has always been inconsistant. Dare I say we scout the other teams rosters in case a slot guy get’s cut.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 30, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats fine
But killing the guy for4 one bad play out of 3 preseason games is as silly as saying cut JJ.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Not just kickoff returns
Has played very well as a receiver as well.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
this
also, that muffed punt seemed like an anomaly, and easily fixable. if you watched it close, he tried to catch it with his hands raised above him, and not the typical basket-catch that returners use. he had a really good game against da bears, and his form was on point. i think we’ll see him do better against the pats.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
He was cut by Washington
Take that with a grain of salt… their entire organization is confused down to the people working the gates on game day…. You can’t hold him accountable for not producing in that situation… Hell, Donovan McNabb isn’t as bad as he was with them, not saying he is capable of reaching those heights… just saying let him fail or succeed with us(a well run org) before you pass judgement.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 30, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness
Everyone in Washington is garbage until they go to another team. He is good at ST. Just needs to improve….
Thomas
He did nothing receiving in Washington. On returns he was having a great year before he was cut, way better than anything we were putting out there. He got cut cause it’s hard to justify second round pick money for a guy who only does returns.
by Midnight Blue on Aug 30, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Hixon
have you watched him return kicks and punts in prev yrs? He’s pretty darn good!
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
uh...yea, I know who Hixon is
punt to just say a guy will be good at something he hasn’t done in two years doesn’t make any sense.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He will now
as a punt returner, Thomas will be fine, so he dropped a kick.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
doubt it
he hasn’t even returned a kick at any point in the preseason. He’s not an option for returns.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Read what TC said
post game.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Need T O
so he can sob…..“that’s my QB man!”
TE
Ballard looks like he could do what Boss did. Beckum is one dimensional and not that good at that.
TE looks to be a real concern
I’m hoping that we can get an old vet off of the waiver wire…Beckum is not our answer…no matter how you look at it…I’m hoping that we will turn it around in the TE department.
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 30, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
vanilla on offense against good D’s….
why people think you can make a shit load of changes to one side of the ball(that’s the O for the special people) and expect it to run like clock work in the 3rd PRESEASON game…is beyond me.
Maybe ill this copy n paste this through out the site for the next week..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
You do realize that a team that made a lot of changes needs to show those changes are good, and the way to do that is to not suck in preseason. Vanilla isn’t a problem. Badly playing vanilla is a problem. Turnovers are not a result of vanilla offense. Bad special teams is not a result of vanilla game planning. These are things that will carry over to the regular season.
Not debating STs play which sucks!!
And yes running a plain jane O with all new moving parts has everything to do with sucking. especially against a pressure D like the Jets.
the first time i learned driving a 5 speed cost me some Sirius gear grindage!!! Preseason is no different!
hahaha What do you think preseason is for ? looking good?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
Is it to early for the fire Quinn debate
I know the players play the game and make the tackles, but the ST have been terrible since he became ST coach, We got a bunch of new players and our ST still stink.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 30, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Just how many Turnovers have we had all preseason?
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Over-reactions
This board deserves the WW for over reacting Ed. Nice hit!
I guess Eli will always throw off his back foot when pressured and that is not good. His accuracy and pace on the ball are poor when he does that.
He’s the QB. All we can hope for is that he gets his head more in the game.
I am still hoping Beckum shows something. He did not last night. I understand NYG reluctance to bail on draft picks ( Sintim, Moss, Gerris, Kehl) but I also wonder how long is too long?
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
I cant disagree with you more about jacobs
jacobs did not initiate that fight. the replay clearly showed the DT taking punches wildly well before brandon did anything at all. brandon was backing off and took two clean punches to the chinstrap. if someone punches me multiple times and is wildly attacking me, you are getting knocked in the F-in head. Thats exactly what brandon did and i would expect no different from anyone else out on that field. I dont let nobody take swings at me without retaliation and for all of you saying you would, we were raised differently and i would not want you to be part of my inner circle thats for sure.,… SOFT!
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 30, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Outside a bar...yeah
In a game? No.
Some guys make a living inciting reactions to get key player thrown out. It is a strategy. Finnegan on the Titans for instance.
No, disagree about what is proper in a game. Walk away, let the other guy get tossed.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
bullshit
the guy was swinging violently this aint about ebing touch this is defending yoruself. That guy was bigger than jacobs and attacked him end of story. Jacobs threw one punch and put the guy on the ground
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 30, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Their lack of discipline
cost them a game last year, if you recall (Titans), is it worth it?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
makes no sense
on the football field you use your head. Fighting back doesn’t tell anyone that you’re tough, it tells everyone that you’re an IDIOT. Jacobs got thrown out of the game, how does that show he’d tough?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So is he just supposed to stand there and let some guy beat on him for 20 seconds until some ref pulls him off? I’m not happy about it but it’s not like he immediately started somethign after the play. The guy hit him several times before he reacted.
by Midnight Blue on Aug 30, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
no, you back away
Jacobs wasn’t getting beat on he was getting pushed.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
jacobs took punches to the chin strap
he didnt get pushed
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 30, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
those were punches?
and you’re calling Jacobs soft? LOL.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
no no no im calling the game soft
i dont think either guy should have been ejected
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 30, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
Fighting isn’t part of the game. The obvious comparison is hockey, where it’s permitted. In football, if you take a swing (ANY swing), you know you’re breaking the rules. IMHO, unless you’re at rick of an injury, there’s nothing to be gained, and 15 yards to be lost (or an ejection right before you’re needed for a goal line stand)
This is a team sport, and it’s times like this when players can put the team first.
All the Giants need is for BJ to take a swing, hit a helmet, and break his hand. Where are you going to hit a guy that is wearing football gear and actually hurt him?
The sternum.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
the game isn't soft
fighting and throwing punches is never part of the game. Everyone knows, or should know that. You throw punches, you get kicked out and that’s a good thing.
Whoever throws a punch in a football game is an idiot.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
+1
No chance to hurt anyone but youself
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
oh well
if i get punched in my face once ill walk away
if a guy is taking wild swing after wild swing and is connecting with more than one, im gonna swing back. Jacobs was backing up and did not do anything until he had too. He took muktiple shots to the face, he lined up, he took one swing, and put the guy on the ground. ill bet jacobs fine is less than the other guys and i have ZERO problem with what jacobs did last night
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 30, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs is too important
and to think he was innocent in starting the whole thing is also asinine. He was jawing on the previous play and nearly got in a fight.
I have no problem with Jacobs playing with fire. But this is the sort of stuff that cost him his starting job last season. He’s too important to be getting involved in this.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
We'll agree to disagree
You can have your pride, fine, and potentially broken hand.
I’ll take the possible 7points that were lost, hurt ego, increased faith from the coach and team, and a press conference after the game where I show that I’m the bigger man.
by Fishhead202 on Aug 30, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
man and thats why this game has gone softy
you know how manyt imes ive seen LT punch smeone or even brett favre go after a LB…. buncha punks nowadays like roger goodell makin this game “mainstream”. I did worse shit than that in high school football bro thats sad
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 30, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. if someone came after him physically, i have no problem with jacobs protecting himself
especially b/c it’s only preseason
doesn't matter
you can’t get yourself kicked out of the game. The rules are the rules, Jacobs is a smart dude he knows them
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
see my reply up above for your "tough" comment
jacobs was attacked and took multiple blows
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 30, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit!
HES IN FULL PADS AND A HELMET! Let the ahole punch you and break his hand! He’s not going to do any damage and you are only going to cause yourself trouble. and for what? To show your a BA and a real man? Give me a god damn break!!
by eyerish9299 on Aug 30, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Extra Wet Willie
David Diehl. He had a putrid 1st quarter and cost his team some needed yards on the 3rd drive with the Jacobs 3 yard loss and the false start soon after.
Dave Diesel...
He did have his moments yesterday, point well taken…but he is a rock and no doubt will be in top form come 9/11!
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 30, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they've started to game plan yet and they were clearly experimenting in the red zone
A curiosity to me is the love of the fade route in the red zone. OK if Barden’s out there, I get it, but I’m hoping that they run Nicks and Manningham to their strengths not Plax’s.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
What I find ironic
is that two big things we were concerned about are working out.
The OL is doing well considering all the changes. The CBs were pretty good last night. Don’t know if that continues but good so far.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions
+1
now we just need that last thing to work out….(ST)
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
They seem particularly vulnerable to the DB blitz up the middle
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Blitz pick up is about communication
That will improve with time.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO....it was the difference last night
when they blitzed they got serious pressure.
often times un touched.
TeamJPP
They were...
putting serious pressure up the middle.
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 30, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it 2010?
Eli over-throwing, and making some crazy tosses
Special teams looking terrible
Jacobs getting ejected
Frustrating.
Rolle was great considering how he’s been shuffled around.
Was glad we didn’t get burned too bad by Burress. As the chemistry develops, that could be a nasty WR combo.
D-line was impressive, pretty much all around.
3 WR set
Why is Cruz in there and not Hixon. After Nicks, Ham, and Hix there is a noticable drop in the quality of our WRs I don’t understand why they don’t put Ham in the slot and let Hix and NIcks play the outside like they said they were going to do. It makes no sense to not put your best players on the field.
Overall this team looks a lot like last years team with a better O-line and worse WR/TE’s
Defensvely I’m happy but not thrilled they always seem to let teams back into games after playing well for a while. They’ll be good statiticlly but I still don’t trust the D the O needs to get more effiecient to help the D out and it will be a lot of what we saw last year
Eli needs to get on the same dam page as his WRs its been 3 years with Nicks and Ham enough is enough
Jets are a very solid ball club so I’m not jumping off a bridge after last night. They play tough D in the red zone and Sanchez is an Eli clone in my opionion. A goofey kid who is inconsistant and inccacurate at times but makes big drives when he needs too and like Eli back in 07 and 08 he has a very good D and dominate run game tha keeps him in games despite his inconsistant play.
They want to see what they've got
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
yea I'm tired of Cruz playing the slot
how many times does he have to be a bonehead before they put someone else out there with the ones?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It’s probably a situation where they already know what Hixon is, but by playing Cruz with the ones, they’ll get to evaluate him more.
that's true and that's fine for the first two games
but this one is more of a dress rehearsal. So I doubt that they’re still evaluating all that much. If Hixon was actually the 3, he’d be out there getting some time in with them.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The Eagles did sort of the same thing with Joselio Hanson. Hanson is clearly the better player than Curtis Marsh and Brandon Hughes at this point in their careers, but he barely played at all in the 3rd game because they wanted to get a better look at Marsh and Hughes. Very common.
the Eagles are trying to trade Hanson and may very well cut him
especially since the Cardinals appear to be out of picks so they’re not sending a 4 or 5, and no one else is dumb enough to do that. Plus he’s the 4th guy, not the 3rd.
Marsh and Hughes are most likely cheaper too and are team controlled for longer. And as the 4th CB there’s not much reason to not keep a developmental player there.
As for the Giants, the slot WR is an extremely important part. It doesn’t matter who’s better or who needs a better look, the third preseason game is where you have your real offense in there. I’m still surprised it doesn’t include Hixon.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
just like they won't start a rookie at C and G and move a G to RT?
Hanson is 30 years old. He might as well be dead to the Eagles.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he's 30 years old.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
those two are the greatest of all time
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was Beyonce?
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope so
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
A conditional pick
at best.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Conditional pick can mean a lot of things. Favre to the Jets was a conditional pick that could go as high as a 1. McNabb to the Skins was a 2 and a 4 that could become a 3. I think you’re trying to say Hanson sucks, and you failed. Yay!
You are comparing
QB’s as conditional picks, to a nickel back, I would say that analogy sucks Dawk!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Hixon is #3
Regardless of last night.
Think TrueBlue has it right – they were evaluating Cruz.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
Cruz
his fault for a back foot throw that floated over his head, or being missed down the middle when he has his man beat? Garafalo said he was wide open on another play, but Eli didn’t see him. Give the guy a fair shot and if he fails, RIP AWAY!!! But if he succeeds, man up and admit you were wrong!
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, he was open on a few plays
but the INT was his fault. He needed to get into the route quicker but he was fixing his diaper mid route. There was a blitz and if Cruz is where he’s supposed to be when he’s supposed to be, Eli can get a better throw off there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
D
the Jets DB’s are just gonna let receivers go wherever they want, whenever they want, let’s see what happens when the diaper comes off
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Cruz was WAYY too slow out of his break...
on a 4th down blitz…he needs to be much faster in and out of his breaks!
"bleedblue12 is an idiot"-wild_eagle
"The Eagles still have 0 SB wins"-bleedblue12
by bleedblue12 on Aug 30, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
According to Ed
Cruz has #3 sewn up. Better get used to it.
I thought Hixon had it but I defer to Ed on this.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Cruz
give him a real chance and if he fails, rip him all you want
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Hixon is such a pro and Eli seems to trust him, I mean what the hell? After Hixon we have nothing but developmental WRs why the hell would we use a guy like that there. Hixon knows the O, runs good routes, and has Eli’s trust it just seems silly not to see Hixon out there more with the first team.
Oh well, thanks
Didn’t realize that. I love Cruz, and certainly don’t want him cut, but it seems like Hixon is much more developed, and/or Eli trusts him more. At the end of the day, I guess it’s a good problem to have :)
by Fishhead202 on Aug 30, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense to Ed
but he also said Weatherfood had the punting job. Competition changes things from game to game.
Point taken and accepted
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Secondary
Did a very good job last night! Ross was very decent…Rolle did play well in the slot and got some key tackles…he is a very versitile player and willing to do what ever to WIN!
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 30, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
Perspective??????
last week we torched the Bears and lost 3 players to season ending injuries
yeap
much rather have a game like last night then one against the Bears. The Bears game is more fun to watch, but the results don’t mean anything just the body count
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
But the Giants Won!!
Who cares if the game was meaningless and that there were injuries.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
i hope you meant to include the sarcasm font
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Yeah - lol
Was having some fun at the expense of the Chicken Littles on here. We need Allan Iverson to update his rant to make it about PreSeason rather than Practice.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
we talkin' bout PRESEASON
we’re in here talkin’ bout PRESEASON? come on man.
love that rant.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
like I said after last weeks win:
I’d rather have a craptastic, but healthy loss than an injury riddled win.
besides, they moved the ball just fine, Nicks and ’Rio worked Cromartie and Revis, and the running game kicked ass (as did the defense). Other than Quinn getting let out of his closet, I saw enough.
Agree that you can’t cut Jernigan. You keep 53, but you only dress 45. Good chance he won’t be active for most of the season, but you can’t just give up on the kid.
You don't understand hysterical overreaction do you?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yes turnovers are bad but....
The team’s reaction to the turnovers is far more important. Turnovers are going to happen. Interceptions are going to happen. Never in my life have I seen a quarterback with zero interceptions for a season. The key is the reaction to these turnovers. Can your tama stay confident and get a touchdown on the next drive? Can Eli keep a rhythm?
I have not seen that from this team. IMHO Coughlin’s pressure on no turnover football in combination with Eli’s 25 last ear has caused this offense to deflate whenever a turnover occurs. This is the problem that needs fixing. Yes limit turnovers, limit interceptions, play smart football, but have a short memory. Don’t let interceptions deflate you’re style of play. Don’t have a great fist drive followed by punts the rest of the quarter because you’ve turned the ball over. Continue to be dominant, continue to feel dominant.
Team Juggernaut: Jacobs, Hynoski. No one is safe
Eli was just awful...
He could have had a game without interceptions, it would still have been an awful game for him.
I mean he over/underthrown his receivers like Jamarcus Russell… and this time we can’t say that the OL didn’t protect him. The big guys did a decent job protecting the QB.
Yes, the Jets D was confusing, showing blitz where actually the guy would drop back or not showing it. But Eli is a 7 year vet for crying out loud!
I loved when Eli showed confidence and said that he was in the Brady class. But if you are going to say that, you’d better back it up. “Talk is cheap, play the game!”
I’d rather see Eli look bad now than during the regular season but he has to get it together.
And bravo to the ST for playing so well… oops sorry that was the other NY team, the one playing in Green. Come on guys! Aren’t you tired of getting burned on very return by the opposing team? And stop putting the rookie on PR, the kid has enough pressure on his shoulders wearing the number 12 (who was the dumbass who decided that BTW? “hey rookie, take that number! We expect you to break a franchise record in less than 3 years.”)
The D was good (and that’s not sarcastic) and I hope they’ll stay like that until the 4th quarter of game 17.
New York Giants French blog http://nygiantsfr.wordpress.com/ (with croissants and wine)
Part of Eli's problem may be the lack of a third reciever
It seems like we couldn’t work the middle of the field, and had to throw outside the whole game. JR better do somthing since we have no TE and SS12 is gone.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 30, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I have checked the 3rd down conversion percentage of last year
In the games with SS the Giants converted 35% of their 3rd down. And in the games without him… 36%.
The team was just bad on 3rd down with or without him and it hasn’t changed. The Giants are indeed lacking a good slot receiver but still the overthrown passes are not acceptable coming from Manning.
New York Giants French blog http://nygiantsfr.wordpress.com/ (with croissants and wine)
very interesting
but how many of those conversions were SS catches?
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Does it really matter?
It’s not because you don’t touch the ball that you don’t have an impact. Drawing double team sometimes is more valuable than the catch itself.
The fact is that even with Smith on the field the Giants were not that good on the field on 3rd down and his absence didn’t change anything. There is a belief that the Giants started struggling on 3rd down when Smith was down. We can see that they actually struggled even when he was lined up on the field.
My point isn’t that Smith was a lousy player and that Reese was right to let him. My point is that the offensive struggles are only related to Smith or even Boss who was a drop machine last year. The whole offense struggled on 3rd down and in the red zone, from the QB to the OL and the WR.
Eli already survived the loss of 4 of his favorite targets in 3 years (From 2007 to 2009: Barber, Shockey, Burress and Toomer) and I think he can do it again but he needs to make better decisions. He needs to know when to take a sack, throw it again, force a pass or make a run for it.
He is missing a true QB coach. Mike Sullivan is more fit for the job of WR coach than QB coach.
New York Giants French blog http://nygiantsfr.wordpress.com/ (with croissants and wine)
Ed, Eli shouldn't get a pass on first Int....
Go back to the tape. The first one was 2 and 10 not 4th down.
Yep
We established that. Wherever I got that piece of info it was incorrect.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
A couple points
1) I’m sorry Ed, but I am not a fan of Rhys Lloyd. I think he can share some of the blame on the blocked kick since most of his kicks are line drives. His field goals don’t get much trajectory and his kickoffs, although reaching the middle of the endzone, have no hang time. I shutter at the thought, but I can’t wait to have Tynes back. Oh, and Rhys is fat.
2) On the radio during the car ride home they made it seem like the recievers were to blame on both picks. I don’t think Eli should have thrown the pass to AB, but if it was supposed to be a curl there, then who knows if he catches it or it just gets broken up. Either way, it was a forced throw and one that he shouldn’t have made.
3) I was pleased with the running game. Everybody that was in there was able to get some good chunks of yardage. Also, you’re point on AB
Nobody else on the Giants can doe what he does
The same can be said for Jacobs. I hope TC gave him an earfull and let him know that his ejection cost Jacobs a TD. But who am I kidding, its been ages since the Giants have been able to pick up a 4th and inches.
4) I am waiting patiently today to hear the injury report. It always seems like the next day there are surprises. Kiwi’s groin ok? Tuck’s stinger just a stinger?
If the Giants escape without any losses due to injuries, then last night was a successful game.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
If the Giants escape without any losses due to injuries, then last night was a successful game
couldn’t have said it better myself
You down wit JPP?
agreed on lloyd
dude would be a hell of a soccer player (although the running part would kill him). his kicks have NO hang time.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
And for "kick-off specialist" I expected his kicks to sail through the back of the endzone with the line moved up to the 35.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that too
i thought he’d be kicking it through the uprights on these kickoffs. i doubt he’s holding back so the coverage unit could get some work.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
He did have one go thru the uprights
would be awesome if the NFL allowed one point for that if it occurred in the first three quarters.
None allowed in 4th.
ah, i clearly missed that
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
its been ages since the Giants have been able to pick up a 4th and inches.
it’s so frustrating. When will the Giants accept their heavy package fails more than it works?
But when they pass on 3rd or 4th and short
everyone on here has a sh^t fit and wants to fire Gilbride.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
willie
to the pre snap routine. hey buddy, if you are taking down to the last second EVERY TIME there’s a 3rd down, you are kind of letting the defense tee off on your line.
it's getting worse
and last week, gruden was praising him for it. for every succesful audible that comes down to the last second, there are 5 that fail.
by section_112 on Aug 30, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't get the blasting of Jacobs
while Banks noted that Rex Ryan will be patting his guy on the butt for showing some fight.
It wasn’t bright but who knows what was said and with Eli in the frame while this happened I don’t mind Jacobs swinging too. Not making excuses but if this guy had bad intentions, I’d rather Jacobs answer the call rather than letting him close to our QB
You down wit JPP?
swinging is comical
like banks said, all ur going to hit is a bunch of iron and plastic
by section_112 on Aug 30, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Wilkerson can play with a broken hand, I've seen plenty of DTs play with giant clubs on their hand
Jacobs is way too important to be fighting. The Giants need his hands healthy, they hold onto the rock.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
NOTE TO SELF
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
IT’S JUST PRESEASON!
concerned anyone
Well I sure am. How’s many point has our first team 0 score this preseason? On the bright side our first team D show signs of improvement from last year. Eli scared me last night. I want to defend him but just can’t any more not after last year. He needs to show us something first against a quality defense.
by hit_hard on Aug 30, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
sanchez said
that both teams didn’t show their hands last night. all very basic formats. if that is the case, why does Eli have to change every play when he gets to the line. i mean every play. and the play clock give the d the ability to time rushes perfectly. STOP please Eli. you’re better than that
by section_112 on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Jets don't have to show their offense
Just go to any High School in the region
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
In BJ's defense
the Jets were very chippy. Pushing and shoving after most plays. Mostly the Jets defenders.
like usual
that’s how rex likes it, with lots of over-the-top hysterics. and exposed toes.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Banks gets a KUDO
I really like listening to Banks. He knows the game and tells is like it is without the STUPID, ANNOYING banter that comes from Gruden and Jaws. Those guys never shut up and are all about themselves.
I hope we hear more from #58.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
i go with just the oppposite
critcizing Jacobs while praising Wilkerson
and chiming in with not an exact quote but pretty close “He threw it to the one spot that he could give him a chance… it was just a bad throw.” Talking about the sideline pass to Manningham.
This guy is the Debbie downer of the Giants
Loved him as a player, but…
You down wit JPP?
yea Banks sounds like those that think they're "realists" but are just fear mongerers.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
was thinking the same thing. Its one thing to point out the negatives
but he didn’t mention any positives AT ALL
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Meanwhile Jets announcers
have the whole 90 man roster in the HOF.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Geez guys
I guess I get a wet wilie for that kudo.
Diff of opinion.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Banks mostly
but he did seem like a Debbie Downer last night. As stated somewhere else here, he even seemed to be giving the Jet guy a pass while killing Jacobs.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Ed, another Kudos to the entire OL. They were fired up and blocking peeps all over the place.
Appreciate that you noticed Antrel…he was ballin’ out all night.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
he looked real good as the nickel/3rd safety too
covered santonio with ease
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Zing!
Well, he was in GQ. Wait, I get it.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
haha
very true. i really liked his effort, regardless of the QB “situation”
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
true...
his “effort” can be his downfall though.
i.e. don’t get caught spying in the backfield when u got a slippery slot WR to stay with.
but all in all, i thought AR and KP played much better than last week
TeamJPP
yeah that play killed me
i watched that replay a few times and couldn’t understand why rolle would be the spy in that case. although i guess that’s a product of fewell’s 3 safety system.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
heres one of there best blocking jobs all night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSmX3BztWbM&feature=BFa&list=WLF3B737F1751256F8&lf=mh_lolz
Everyone did there job there. watch the seal block Baas had, as well as a TE which i couldn’t see there number, but it looked like Ballard. Beatty pulling was a thing of beauty, and the Hynocesaurus speared somebody with his mighty tusk. and Big Boy using a stiff arm! i’ve been calling for this for a year now(even made a fanpost about it) gotta keep doing that big fella. every defender doesn’t have to bounce off your body, let a few bounce off those massive arms of yours.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Give the rock to Big Boy!
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta say I'm lovin our new center. Bass was maulin fools out there
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
yea as the line gels we finally have both sides that can just beat the snot out of people
and I saw Hakeem blocking well downfield too.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Justin Tuck: I don’t care what his numbers were, I just continue to be amazed at how hard the guy plays on every single snap. Preseason or not, he is all out on every play. That is how you lead a defense.
Right ON Ed…I have thought that about JT every single time I see him on the field or giving an interview…HE’S a TRUE team player…while Osi bitches and gripes about this that or the other thing, JT remains a TEAM player and a true gentlemen. I don’t think he EVER gets the credit he deserves!!
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Tuck's starting to get recognized as the best DE in football
I’m sure there’s debate for Peppers or Ware in there, but that the 4 letter network is finally starting to know who he is at least is a start. But the sad thing is its been this way since 2007. Tuck is a bad MFer.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Ed
you and Pat T are plugged into the organization more than most. Why does Quinn still have a job? Is there any talk coming out of the organization about the ST awful play the past few seasons?
I could see the convo now
Reese: “Tom, I think it may be time to pull the rug out from under Quinn”
Coughlin: “We’ll see Jerry…We’ll see”
Reese: “What the hell does that mean?”
Coughlin: “I don’t know, but I heard John Wooden used that phrase a lot”
Reese: *Blank Stare
Coughlin: *Coughlin Stare
Reese: “get Traina on the line and someone send Ed an email…sheesh…I need some real imput here” (chomping on Reese’s pieces)
TeamJPP
by andiamo708 on Aug 30, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's classic
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
haha
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
no offense
but you’re naive if you don’t believe the media is more privy to some inner working of an organization than the average fan.
Also, it’s no secret the Giants STs have SUCKED for years. I fail to see how an organization can continue to ignore such a glaring weakness. Us fans are aware the team has giving special attention to ST this preseason. However, that additional attention hasn’t panned out.
with all due respect > no offense
when you say no offense clearly you mean offense.
but when you say with all due respect you can literally say whatever you want and I can’t take offense © ricky bobby
TeamJPP
If you don't chew big red, then f*** you!
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Jeremy, losings never fun,
But here’s a little something to keep your spirits up. It’s real nice. I got it at Target. It was on sale.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I got a message for all of 'em. Shake... and bake
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What did that do?
Did that just blow your mind? That just happened!
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What is that a catch phrase or is that uh epilepsy?
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What if as a compromise
you just said I love really thin pancakes.
Ricky that seems like a pretty good out.
Idk, should I say it?
Nah, don’t say it
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO
I just watched Talladega Nights last night. One of my favorite movies, I laugh through that whole movie.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
such a great movie, Stepbrothers is close to it in terms of laughing though the whole thing
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha
yea it is.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
no necessarily
when you say no offense clearly you mean offense.
We have our opinion. I respect your opinion on this site. You’re a knowledgeable fan. In this particular post I believed you misunderstood my original question to Ed. Thus the “with all due respect”.
i'm joking around
from beginning to end….it was just a joke.
obviously beat writers have more exposure to the team than fans do.
TeamJPP
of course they don't
but beat writers because they are around the organization and players often hear things the average fan obviously doesn’t get to hear.
If they didn't get rid of him
in the offseason (when they should have), don’t think it’s going to happen in the preseason?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 30, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Quimm should had been fired 2 years ago then last year then in the middle of last year and you get my point.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Quinn
The only explanation I have is that Coughlin trusts Quinn. He has said in the past, and I’m paraphrasing “he knows what i want.” Coughlin’s biggest flaw might be that he can be too loyal, and that seems to be the case with Quinn.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
What about loyalty to the rest of the team?
I believe what you say is too true. Loyal to a fault. But what about the rest of the team, players and coaches working hard to win? Don’t they deserve better?
I think this diminishes TC a great deal, he is too rigid and stubborn on many things.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats Tom want
The shittest special teams unit in all of football?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Quinn still has that tape of TC and Joan Rivers.
That’s what they call “job securiy”.
Quinn must go !!
The only thing I can think of
is that they didn’t want to make any changes with the lockout. If this was a regular off season, I think they’d have tossed Quinn out on his ear right after the Washington game.
New assistant special teams coach
My guess is they’re giving Izzo a chance to see if he can help improve things, and that if the shambles continues this season, Tom Quinn will get the boot.
Consider me suspicious of Eli's improvement over the last year.
And consider me impressed with most all other aspects of the team thus far this preseason.
Then look at the results.
Goes to show just how important Eli is to the team.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
I refuse to overreact
Espn habitually creates an over analysis of every preseason game. This is always a pretty emotion driven game with gang green! In my opinion I am just happy with limited injuries, seems kiwi is fine. This is just preseason i am more concerned with the young guys performances. People also forget, there was a lockout. Everyone is rusty! Patience is the best pill, and we can all make legitimate complaints after week 1
by Phillip P on Aug 30, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Jernigan to the P.S.
Ed,
Getting back to my comment from the previous post to which you stated that there is now way the team should place a 3rd round pick on the pick on the practice squad because he’d have to clear waivers and another team will likely pick him up.
My arguments are why would you even have someone on the 53-man roster if you didn’t think they could contribute to team this year? He’s been aweful in punt returns, you and MG have hardly mentioned him in WR-drills all camp, and he isn’t even a gunner on ST. So if you were a GM, why would you keep someone who doesn’t contribute one iota to the team’s weekly success on the active roster?
Part of being a good GM is getting over the “draft pick ego” and realizing that your picks might need more work or just not work out at all. This guy is a Sinorice Moss clone. Hopefully, he’ll grow to be more, but right now he’s not any better than Moss was. Looking back, would it have been so bad if the Giants tried to stash Moss on the PS and another team picked him up.
“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” – Winston Churchill
couldn't agree more
but we need to keep him on the squad for this year.
…BUT this is a subject that has been beat up continuously. If TC isn’t going to let the guy on the field then why shouldn’t he go to the practice squad? What good does it do? I rather see us put Da’Rell Scott on the Roster then JJ at this point.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Not happening
Time to move onto something else to gripe about.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 30, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
this 'draft pick ego' doesn't exist
there’s no way anyone that can say in their right mind that Jernigan has had a proper shot here.
How embarrassed would you feel if you were blind enough to cut Jernigan now, only to see him become a star WR next season? ALl because you’re so short sighted and must, must cut him now cuz he looks like Sinorice Moss?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
BS
this ‘draft pick ego’ doesn’t exist
of course it exists. JR is reluctant to cut draft picks. It’s an admission of a mistake. You mention Moss. Moss did nothing for the Giants. Yet, he made the team year after year.
Yes, I realize JR didn’t draft Moss.
I’m not suggesting cutting JJ but it’s a numbers game. How many WRs will make the team? Nicks, Ham, Hixon and Criz are locks. What will they do with Barden? Players deep down on the depth chart often play ST. So far JJ has been a liability on ST. TC relies on his trust. JJ can’t be trusted.
where does it exist?
injured, yet talented players keep making the roster? Sintim played a lot yesterday and played well, which shows why he’s here. Same goes for Barden when he plays.
There’s been plenty of draft picks that have gotten cut. Andre Brown, Michael Johnson, Jay Alford, Bryan Kehl, Bomar.
And after guys like Adam Koets, who the mass hordes wanted cut for years, comes in and basically saves the season…who the HELL is going to believe the fear mongerers talking about this draft pick ego when obviously keeping players around works instead of cutting them for nonexistent players to take their place?
Jernigan and Barden will make the team, regardless of the “numbers game”. Nicks, Ham, Hixon, Cruz, Jernigan, Barden, Thomas/Clayton. There’s 7. Barden may start the season on the PUP, so Clayton and Thomas have half the season to prove their worth.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cuts
Andre Brown cut after a serious injury.
Jay Alford cut after a serious injury. Cut again weeks later by Raiders. Out of football the rest of the year.
Michael Johnson 7th round pick. KP was drafted to replace him.
Bomar? Really! You’re going to use him as an example?
So I thought he has a draft pick ego?
or does it not exist? Right, doesn’t exist.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you have to remember
that most draft picks get a lot of time to work with the team even prior to preseason. this wasn’t the case with these picks thanks to the lockout. if he doesn’t show any improvement next year, maybe they consider it, but most of the time the coaches like to work with players that have a lot of natural athletic ability, like JJ, before making any big decisions about his future with the team.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Jernigan
To get a player to the practice squad you have to put him through waivers first. No way he gets through waivers without being picked up by another team. You do not do that with third-round picks.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Jernigan
Okay, then let him languish at the bottom of the WR-depth chart, taking up a roster spot from someone who actually might be able to contribute early in the season.
The problem with keeping him there is that the coaches will feel like he needs to be contributing somehow, so they’ll feel obliged to put him on the field somewhere even though it’s painfully obvious that he’s not ready yet.
Strap up!! We are in mid-season form!!
I am glad I am not part of the FO.
If I was I would have to stay cool, calm and collective… but seeing as I am not. WTF was that last night!?!?! Really pick up the pieces straight from last year. its like there was no offseason!!!
GAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Eli, come on man, I mean Stafford played better than you the other night. There was no sense of urgency. no sense of desire. and please for the love of all that is holy… please throw a spiral and hit someone in the hands in stride…. Just once… please.. before Giants fans form a mob and try to lynch you!!!
"Oh god help us all, the Goodyear blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
i have a feeling
A few of our starters will come off the waiver wire.
by S OzZy825 on Aug 30, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
52 is the mike 52 is the mike 52 is the mike
whistle, delay of game, 5 yard penalty, repeat down
In ELI'S mind now.....Oh no, now the CB is creeping in, looks like the hot read is to Nicks....
and I think that guy on the other side of the line has a kitchen sink with him and intends to use it.
No problem, I got this play, psst, (whisper across entire field) “Hakeem, run a deep in and I’ll throw over your head to the safety over the top.”
(Back in his head)That way he’ll be in position to make the tackle and it will save Dodge for having to punt and act like a quick kick. Gotta figure without Dodge punting we’ll be up at least 20 yards on field position.
(I don’t know the sarcasm font—sorry)
Ed, do you hate Brandon Jacobs or something?
Because what he did is nothing to be angry about. If someone punches you what are you going to do? Stand there, not do anything and look like a punk? I understand if it’s the regular season, but it isn’t, it’s the preseason.
He has a bit of a history
I’m more frustrated with his actions because he could get or cause an injury. He could get suspended if he has more of these incidents. I love that Jacobs stands up for himself and his team mates – it’s what makes him such a good team mate. Sometimes, most of the time actually, it’s better for the team if you walk away.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
Come on Goff
Soft is a bit much, don’t you think. Boxing in the streets and boxing on the field are two different things. If I’m coaching against your team, I’d start a 3rd stringer just so he could start a fight with your team’s best player. Your team would probably be coached to defend himself and I win. 2 ejections. Your star is gone and my 3rd string goon is gone. You see my point, right?
Quinn must go !!
See the posts above on this subject
Jacobs was wrong and foolish even if it was in self-defense. He gets paid to win football games, not fights.
Oh, I'm loving the fact that the "miracle at the meadowlands 2"
made the opening credits of Madden. The only Giants were ones getting beat.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
OK
Who else saw Jacobs rip that kid by the face mask while getting tackled? Dude looked like a rag doll.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
Right
All the RBs looked great last night.
I don’t know about you but I’ve always thought Jacobs being the starter and Bradshaw (or Ward) being the change of pace was the best way to maximize both styles of running. Beat them up with Jacobs then Bradshaw will run free later in the game. They are still successful the other way around but Jacobs breaks tackles and gains a few while Bradshaw can really get loose when the defense is worn down.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
i've always said that
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Dragons
Yeah, Jacobs must have dragged that guy three yards by the mask! I think that’s what started the fight a couple plays later actually.
I’ve always wondered why defensive players have to almost totally keep their hands away from facemasks, but RBs can stiff-arm (and grab) the facemasks of guys trying to tackle them.
I have always wondered that too
And they said that this year it will be called. But it looked like they missed one on Jacobs there.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
On the Jacobs and Grant fights
I like the emotion and fire especially when playing a cippy team but Deon is a seasoned vet who should know better. And Jacobs, no point in punching a guy with a helmet on. Just like last year’s preseason with the Nicks-Ike Taylor fight…. don’t throw punches cause there is a huge chance you break a hand.
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Banks made it seem like he threw
a closed fisted punch
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Brandon should have let his shoulders do the talkin.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
agree
run over these guys, thats says it all
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope they can get that message across to him by the time the season starts.
He was doing a great job up until that point.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
hope so
if not, we could see games like the Titan game, penality wise
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Crapload of yards
and no points. Hard to win that way. Maybe we need to rethink our strategy lol
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
some things never change
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/8/30/1657218/kudos-wet-willies-get-down-off-the#storyjump
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
Lol - perfect
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Can I also say that when I see both Jacobs roaring after a run and Goff prowling around
they look like friggin’ Uruk Hai. Or is that just me?
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
As much as I want to criticize Eli, I won't.
He got the Wet Willie and he deserved it. I think that his bad throws are a combination of the confidence that he has in his line coupled with bad decisions. I think that we can all agree that he needs to get his act together upon the beginning of the season.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
this
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
agree
take a sack once in a while instead of throwing the ball up for grabs
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting.
MikeGarafolo Mike Garafolo
Coughlin seems to be more upset with the receivers/TEs than Eli. Said 1st INT was more because of no “sight adjustment” by TE or WR. #nyg
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by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions
aka Victor Cruz
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
that was cruz no?
personally i think it’s a bad throw
but you know if that ball even so much as grazed Cruz’s fingers (like it did Barden’s) they’d be calling for his head
TeamJPP
Throw
was to Cruz, but apparently the failed sight adjustment was Beckum/Manningham
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli was staring at Cruz the entire play
he was option one there. And he didn’t do his job.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe they did something wrong too
but it was painfully obvious that Cruz screwed up on that play. Sorry bubs.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That Play
just about the entire O screwed up on that play, you wanna single out Cruz just shows you don’t like him and that’s your perrogative.
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, twas Cruz.
I wish him nothing but the best and hope he’s a superstar here, but that plays on him. Head coach agrees, so it is what it is. He needs to get his head out of his ass, its not the first time he’s been shown to be a nipplehead.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What's Next
Cruz to blame for the earthquake and hurricane
by Cruz Control on Aug 30, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
just the plays where its obvious he screwed up.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Very interesting.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 30, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
People here on this site are not the experts they claim with special insight into the team? I for one am shocked.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
We are all legends in our own minds
Probowler, every one of us. I am a HOF player myself.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
With Lloyd around
I have the body of an NFL kicker. Does that count?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
hahaha
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
I watched the game, but I'm still wondering....
Did Bear Pascoe play last night? He really needs to be on the field building a case to be on the roster, and if he was in there, I never saw him do anything nor heard his name mentioned.
I saw him blocking
nothing to report.
I am concerned for him, Coats has done fairly well as has Ballard.
I think they won’t let go of Beckum despite lack of productivity.
If they trust Hynoceros enough (which I do not think they do), they might cut Bear in next round.
I do not want to see that.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 30, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Eli led his Mississippi team back from a 35 pt deficit when Ernie Accorsi was in the stands (they lost anyway). That seemed to have really impressed Ernie. But it always made me wonder—why were they 35 pts down in the first place? I’m a big Giants fan but not an Eli Manning fan. That said, they won the SB with him, and they won with a couple of other non-elite quarterbacks. They can do that again.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Aug 30, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
they were down 35 cuz the defense was terrible
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If Eli came from....
a different family, but to give him a pass in his 7th year just won’t work with me Ed. Sorry! The guy has had football for every meal since he was out of diapers. This is a scene from a Manning Christmas…. Door opens… Merry Christmas! So, how do I shake off the Safety again?
Do we keep giving him a pass because he has a large contract? Because he’s a Manning? It’s time to grow up or shut up about being a great quarterback Eli.
It’s getting to a point that I can’t and don’t want to defend him any longer to those outside Blue Nation.
If Eli
came from another family he’d receive less criticism. He receives more than his share because of his big brother.
If Eli came from another family...
He would be bagging groceries somewhere by now…after 25ints and how many fumbles?
if Alex Smith, David Carr, Matt Lenhert
still have jobs in the NFL, pretty sure Eli would too
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Brees with his 22 ints
Oh wait.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
This
If he was Eli Smith everyone would be talking about how underrated he is.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Comedy thread!
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
As an add on to the Kudos for Rolle.
He very well may be our second best defensive player behind Tuck. Not only was he lock down in Coverage, when he was playing close to the line as Safety, and the Jets ran to his side, he diagnosed the play quickly, and on a couple of occasions, made the stop in the back field or at the LOS. I think we see a lot of him dropped down from Safety in the box, run blitzing, as well as being the slot corner on 3rd down. The guy just makes plays.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
I feel like last night, TC held final auditions.
He played Dillard and Williams, and didn’t really play Jones and Herzlich. To me that says those latter two are safe right now, and Dillard and Williams needed to show something or they are getting the axe. I think same goes with Cruz over Hixon. I don’t think Cruz has the 3rd WR spot, I think TC gave him the opportunity to take it from Hixon last night. It seems to be the way TC is determining who’s staying and who’s going. Not that Cruz is going, but it seems instead of playing all the bubble guys at once, he played some one game, they performed well (Jones and Herzlich) and then last night he gave Dillard and Williams the chance to match, which I don’t think either did. Which makes team cheese very very happy.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
You are right.
That is exactly what TC has done.
4:00 today we will know more…
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
...or he could be saving Herzlich and Jones for Thursday?
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 30, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
that too :-)
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Deficiencies...
IMO, it is starting to look like the Giants are really going to miss Smith and Boss on offense. Granted the Jets are a great defensive team, but the Giants are left to hope that Nicks and Mann can constantly get open against the other teams top CBs and double-coverage. No reliable 3rd & 4th options out there, exactly what Smith and Boss would have provided.
Also, I think we are going to miss Osi more than anybody wants to admit. JPP is NOT Osi yet. Aside from that great couple of series against Carolina, JPP has not done much, and did almost nothing against the Jets. So Tuck will get doubled and who is going to make the plays from our D-line?
And...
I’d really love it if PF brought more pressure on the QB. Why not rush Kiwi more? I don’t think we get enough consistent pressure just rushing 4. But I think the coaches believe that’s exactly what should happen. But we are not going to duplicate SB XLII every game, especially since we don’t have a line of Tuck, Strahan and Osi like we did in that game.
by NYStateofMind on Aug 30, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we will be bringing more pressure once the regular season starts.
He’s not using all of his blitzs, only the basic ones, in preseason.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 30, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
To the cut Jerrigan, Cruz, and replace Eli brigade
Its not only JUST the preseason, but its just the preseason without any offseason workouts to get anybody any continuity with the offense.
Chill, bros.
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