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New York Giants Afternoon Notes: Terrell Thomas, Prince Amukamara, Ben Patrick, CBA

New York Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell relied heavily on a three-safety package last season, with veteran Deon Grant sharing the field with Kenny Phillips and Antrel Rolle. Well, Grant is moving on via free agency and the Giants left looking for a player to step into that role.

Safeties coach Dave Merritt said during interviews today that Terrell Thomas is the guy likely to fill that role. During the offseason Thomas had said he likes playing in the slot, anyway, and is one of the league's best tackling cornerbacks. The 6-foot, 200-pound fourth-year player said today that he is perfectly willing to fill that role if asked.

"I told coach Fewell and my position coach, whatever they need me to do to help the team, whether it is being a role player one game and being a guy they have to count on, I am ready to fill that role," Thomas said.

Thomas admitted he is aiming to make the Pro Bowl this season.

"I think I made some big plays last season but it is time for me to take my game to the next level," Thomas said. "That is what I worked on this whole offseason, taking my game to the point where I can be a star for this defense."

Star-divide

First-round pick Prince Amukamara is not signed yet, as the Giants and Amukamara continue to haggle over the guaranteed portion of his contract. Secondary coach Peter Giunta spoke today about what Amukamara is missing.

"Our language is different than the Nebraska Husker language. The Giants language is so much different and that's the biggest change for those guys. Learning our language and learning our terminology and learning the nuances of the program like the illegal contact rule. When can you get your hands on and when can you get your hands off, that will be a big adjustment for him," Giunta said. "We will start working on his technique and try to grab him as much as we can when he is free. We have some volunteer days when players get the days off and we will try to catch him up as best as we can."

Giants fans who love to dump on offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride won't believe what newly-signed tight end Ben Patrick said today about the team's offense. He said the Giants are "definitely an offense that implements the tight end a little bit more than what I'm used to."

The NFL and NFLPA are still negotiating the remaining points of the collective bargaining agreement, which needs to be signed by Thursday in order for players signed as free agents to begin practicing with their teams. Giants player rep Kareem McKenzie said it was "conceivable" that the deal could be finalized by Thursday.

"We have to put our faith in our leadership and on the NFL side, their management counsel so we can go and get this done. So everybody can get back to work and football as usual. It is conceivable that it can get done by tomorrow," McKenzie said.

Conceivable, though, does not mean definite. Which means there could be a whole lot of newly-signed free agents around the league still not allowed to practice with their teams.

ROSTER MOVE: The Giants today added offensive lineman Stacy Andrews. No, not the Andrews they just released, this is actually Shawn Andrews' brother. Stacy Andrews is a 6-foot-6, 318-pound eight-year veteran who started 12 games for Seattle last season. He can play both guard and tackle.

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Love TT’s attitude. That’s the kind of player I like on my team.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Aug 3, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

ha!
He said the Giants are “definitely an offense that implements the tight end a little bit more than what I’m used to.”

I have a “jump to conclusions mat” for sale, Mr. Patrick.

"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."

by jcalafiore on Aug 3, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

compared to the Cardinals he's gonna feel like Antonio Gates with us.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe what he meant was

“The Giants are definitely an offense that has a QB, which I haven’t been used to for a little while”

"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."

by jcalafiore on Aug 3, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heh heh

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Aug 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 3, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You see,

 it would be this ‘mat’ that you could lay on the floor, that would have different ‘conclusions’ written on it, that you could ‘jump’ to.

by P. Gibbons on Aug 3, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

is it weird that I was sad to see KM as our player rep? not because it’s him, because it’s not o’hara…

"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."

by jcalafiore on Aug 3, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

will be weird for me to get used to too

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Aug 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

any chance Grant

doesn’t get good offers and the Giants re-sign him.
To be honest, my preference would be to embrace the youth movement, but I’m curious if you guys think the Giants would consider it.

BBV- Bring Back Van Pelt

by pataroons on Aug 3, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Great we signed the sane and crappier Andrews

hopefully he’s just in camp so Tuck can maul him.

Also saw we worked out Andre Carter for reals. Probably a sign that whichever way, Osi isn’t going to be playing for us this year.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

also saw Reese has told Osi to go home to 'clear his head'

she must’ve blew a gasket when we told her to stop searching for a trade.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 3, 2011 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They need 90guys for camp.

I wouldn’t read anything into any signings from today on.

by Raptor22 on Aug 3, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you just answer two of my questions

I was about to ask Ed. Who is the Giants new player rep… and whats the deal with the CBA signing. Thanks on both

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Ohhhh boy

Antrel Rolle is on with Joe and Evan.. flashbacks of last year

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

well

he’s sayin he is FINALLY learning that the NY press is alot different from ARZ. But they just tried to get a Coughlin comment out of him, he gave the text book respone.

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Antrel, it might be too early to say "you da man"

but so far in the offseason…“you da man”

Also props to TT, who tweeted about the Eagles saying…“Well if you can’t win a championship, might as well try and buy one.”

I love it.

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Far too early bro...

Wait till the first two game losing streak, than you can start s-in the d’s.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 3, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right

unfortunately

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 3, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats even better

is that the Eagles are trying to buy a championship with the same amount of money the Giants and EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL have. Good luck with Stacy. HAHAHAHA

by trainwreq on Aug 3, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but the Eagles won't be very good this year

None of your players have worked with the system, none of your players have practiced together, none of your players know the terminology and philosophy of your team. None of your players have shown any type of chemistry or timing as a team.

I remember a lot of talk last year in the off season. Remember the world champ Cowboys who then went 1-7?

You’re team will be very good, but not this year. This is a team sport. You’ve got nothing but a bunch of free agents. It takes more to make a team

by Jared G on Aug 3, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand this buying a championship stuff

The Eagles have the same cap restrictions as everyone else. What’s wrong with signing quality veterans between the ages of 26 and 31 to reasonable contracts? Isn’t that the point of free agency?

by davidbt11 on Aug 3, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right,

hating on a team who has a front office that makes great moves in the off-season and FA is the product of one thing: JEALOUSY.

by trainwreq on Aug 3, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the eagles

also can’t help guys are taking next to nothing to come play there, instead of begging to get traded (to no avail)

by trainwreq on Aug 3, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

to say congrats

on signing Stacy Andrews, duh!

by trainwreq on Aug 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

LoL

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 3, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrews won't even make the team

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to be jealous of a team that has nothing

Thats like the Mavs being jealous of the Heat: just don’t make sense.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Aug 3, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well...

The Heat did beat the Mavs in 06 to win the O’ Brien trophy.

by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 3, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

and a comparison of the NBA and the NFL is pathetic. So is your comment that its hard to be jealous of a team that has nothing. In fact, that’s just ignorant. But you’ll see. The game must be played.

by trainwreq on Aug 3, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes train

We are oh so in awe of your many contracts, and fine ball point pens used to sign them. And God forbid you guys wrote using calligraphy, oohwee!

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Aug 3, 2011 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know right?!!?!?

by trainwreq on Aug 3, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is only one thing to be jealous of, Lombardi Trophies

You’ll probably get one some year, and then I’ll be jealous, but FA signings? Seriously? If that’s what you need to feel good, I’m OK with it.

by trueblue63 on Aug 3, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talking about the Heatles

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Aug 3, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"I want to beat [the Eagles] and I want to beat them bad.

I don’t even want it to be a close game."

I love it.

BBV- Bring Back Van Pelt

by pataroons on Aug 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

But.....The Hulk is green....

We should Superman them hoes!

You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!

by EnWhySee on Aug 3, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!

by EnWhySee on Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Week 3 baby!!!!!

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you find this?

It’s amazing

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Aug 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your right!

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

We as Giant fans can claim some of the better superheroes as guys who would be fans.

Captain America and Spider Man are two off the top of my head

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Aug 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOLY CRAP....
“I told coach Fewell and my position coach, whatever they need me to do to help the team,

It’s about time we see something like this being said!

by LightningCoach on Aug 3, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Practice

Hey guys, I was hoping to get to the meadowlands for practice on Friday, does anyone know a good time to get there and can you tailgate? Thanks in advance

by Hounddog57 on Aug 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven't been to a meadowlands practice, but been to more than a few albany ones

want to get there at least an hour early…at least. Tailgating should be allowed (i know we were able to chill out in albany)

They sometimes autograph early before practice, but its better to stick around after. Also, you probably will see a bunch of ex-giants there too. Last time I went, got an autograph from Jesse Armstead which was legit lol

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to Ben Patrick

the plays might be in the playbook but passing plays to the TE often aren’t part of the game plan.

by GMen56-11 on Aug 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

stacy andrews is comin to NY

"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid

by nyg94 on Aug 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Umm Prince

He seems to maybe acting like royalty. I hope they drill him hard for it at camp too.

by Giantstep on Aug 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Did I miss something

Is Seattle the new farm team for the Giants?

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Did I miss something?

Is Seattle our new farm team? Welcome aboard Mr. Andrews.

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 3, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

If you can say anything about the Eagles...

It’s that with Vince Young’s, the backup QB, words, they now, officially, have a bigger TARGET on their backs than the Green Bay Packers. Is anybody right now talking about how bad they want to beat the Packers…nope! It’s all about the Eagles.

by LightningCoach on Aug 3, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Course not it's been what 50 years

Hey that would make you guys experts in waiting

by trueblue63 on Aug 3, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 safties......again?

The idea that we could see that stupid defense again makes me cry a little inside……Are our LBs really that bad?

by Ualtar on Aug 3, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

its a nickel defense. All 32 teams in the NFL run it.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's used to confuse the defense

Similar to Spags using KIwi as a LB/DE hybrid. With three safeties you can blitz one and the offense have a harder time picking it up. You can use the third safety to plug a gap. It creates mismatches. It has a but more risk and requires a lot of intelligence and communication, but can be very effective

by Jared G on Aug 3, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes…..but the Giants seemed to show it a lot more then other teams. They got murdered playing that defense against the Colts for instance, and couldn’t seem to get out of the nickle.

I live in San Diego and I can tell you that right now nobody cares about the Chargers 3rd safety. These stories make it seem like the 3rd safety is right up there with the starters.

by Ualtar on Aug 3, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Last year BJ and Ross were really banged up

Neither played particularly well when on field

So they went nickel with 3 safeties instead of 3 CBs, that’s the extent of it, it’s really not that big a deal

by trueblue63 on Aug 3, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

against the Colts they played wtih 3DEs as their base set

that’s why they got killed. If they played with a normal front 4 they probably don’t get steamrolled by the Colts of all teams.

The Giants play nickel probably as much as any other team.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

they only dressed

1 DT (Cofield, IIRC). also, I think they used the dime as their base in that game… 3 safeties, and three corners. It was a funky gameplan.

by Raptor22 on Aug 3, 2011 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Canty as well

but no rotation, so they got gassed.

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 3, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love

Absolutely love his attitude. Hopefully this rubs off to the entire team. I’m all for putting the best players on the field. I really believe we will have a top 5 defense this year.

by Giants_fan4life on Aug 3, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I like TT in that spot A lot.

It lets Rolle and KP be ballwaks, and allows CWeb, Ross, and Prince to play the body.

Our secondary is beast. Our line is great, with or without Osi.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 3, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Everyteam has a weakness

If our DLine is great like it was last year the LB will be just fine

by nwkiddnj on Aug 3, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Everything can’t be great, and if the line and secondary are good enough the LBers will be fie.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 3, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honest believe

the lbzzezzz will be fine (at least)

by Raptor22 on Aug 3, 2011 8:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

On paper they seem respectable enough, if they’ve been learning and can play aggressively and instinctually I think they’ll open some eyes

by trueblue63 on Aug 3, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

really? So the passes to TEs in the middle will be ok? When our DEs over pursue up the field RBs won’t kill us on draws and delays? Vick won’t be able to get past our DEs only to run 40 yards before a CB wakes up and gets him? So magically all the problems from last years defense are going to go away now?

by Ualtar on Aug 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

We were eighth

in rushing defense last year.

Our LB's had nothing to do with that.

by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 3, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Chargers were first in overall defense last year and were 9-7. I don’t care about defensive ranks, those are made on bad teams. The Giants showed an inability to beat good teams last year, and they often got beaten badly by good teams.

Week 2 loss to Colts 14-38
week 10 loss to Cowboys 20-33
week 11 loss to Philly 17-27
week 15 loss to Philly 31-38
week 16 loss to Green bay 17-45

Do those scores look like a good defense to you?

Even their win over the Cowboys wasn’t great with 35 points being scored against the Giants. Now I know some of that was special teams and turnovers, but really the Giants defense didn’t look good against good teams and good QBs. I remember TEs doing pretty well against the Giants over the middle too in some of those games.

Hopefully the guys we have will be healthy and that will make a difference.

Bolley, Goff, and Stintim though scare me at LB. I know there are other guys but they are young and unproven.

by Ualtar on Aug 3, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

See you glossed over the most important fact

Special teams did them no favors. As a matter of fact I remember reading a stat that we gave up the second most return yards in the league, and had like the worst starting position or something. Not to mention all the turnovers. Yeah that D was put in precarious situations week in a and out.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Aug 3, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

special teams

I mentioned special teams. They are an easy scape goat, but the Defense should be the main thing we look at. A great defense steps up in big games and makes plays, period. The Giants did not do that in big games, in fact, in big games they looked awful.

by Ualtar on Aug 3, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will be fine

I know we are all concerned with the Eagles and of course 6 straight losses. But I’m going to look at this as a challenge for our guys. A really big challenge. I think with or without Osi we will be a top defense. And if we can get TT’s great attitude to spread to the entire team we will be ok.

by Kirt Morose on Aug 3, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

concerned is a bit of an understatement

Yes I am concerned there are many things that this team needs to answer and if they cannot this will be another season of beating bad teams and losing to good teams. This Giants team should be competing with the Eagles for the division, and realistically should be one of the top teams in the NFC. However, these questions need to be answered….

1. Will Bradshaw hold on to the ball?
2. Will Jacobs be disgruntled that he had to restructure?
3. Will Eli throw high all the time?
4. Can the receivers stay healthy?
5. Can the DBs stay healthy?
6. Will Osi be a cancer?
7. Will the line be as good if Osi is mad and doesn’t play hard?
8. Do all of the LBs suck?
9. Can the Giants find anybody to return punts/kicks?
10. Will this restructured Oline be as good as the old Oline?
11. Will Prince ever sign, and if so what will be his role now?

Those are just the ones that I can think of, and I am sure there are more. These are the things that torpedoed the last season, and could very well do the same this year.

by Ualtar on Aug 3, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) relevant question

2) he’s not losing any money and has been a great team player all along. Non issue
3) He never has done this all the time, so he never will
4) relevant question, but 100% of NFL teams wonder if they’re players stay healthy
5) see 4
6) No. I don’t think Osi will try to be one either
7) If Osi plays and he’s healthy, he’ll be Osi. It hurts him to play like crap, if he’s playing for us with no new contract
8) No. Never did. Good chance they won’t this year
9) Hixon’s healthy, he’ll be steady. Jernigan is explossive but a rook, so can’t say he’s the 1 yet.
10) The 2010 line was restructured every other week. They did fine.
11) of coure he will, and he’ll likely be the 4th CB at best.

Doesn’t sound like there’s many real issues you got, aside from the ones (injuries) that can crop up any given year.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 3, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love what Thomas is saying

Been saying for a bit that TT is perfect for that slot role.

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Aug 3, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

G-Men finish 2011 at 8 and 8

Why ,because they let some key players go thats why!The salery cap is killing thisTeam.Boss will go to oakland the gmen will lose another key piece of the puzzle.Oh! steve smith is also leaving snce they have no money for him as well.

by samsworld53 on Aug 4, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

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