New York Giants Roster Cuts 2011: Predicting The First Wave
by Ed Valentine on Aug 29, 2011 10:01 AM EDT
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PrintNFL rosters have to be trimmed from 90 to 80 by 4 p.m. ET on Tuesday. That doesn't leave the New York Giants much time to make decisions following Monday night's preseason game against the New York Jets at MetLife Stadium.
This first cut is always a tricky one for NFL teams. It becomes complicated by training camp injuries and by the fact that teams have one more preseason game to play, in the Giants case Thursday against the New England Patriots. Some players will be kept during the initial cuts just to be sure starters don't need to see the field for any extended time.
Just for fun, though, I am going to try and predict what players the Giants will let go Tuesday. If my count is correct they may only need to release eight players. They are, as far as I can tell, carrying 89 right now and have yet to place defensive tackle Marvin Austin on injured reserve.
Likely To Go Tuesday
Todd Watkins (WR) -- The Giants still have 11 wide receivers on the roster, including Ramses Barden, who is still on PUP. Watkins is not making the final 53, and trimming a wide receiver won't impact Thursday.
Duke Calhoun (WR) -- Maybe I don't see objectively on this one, because I still don't understand why the Giants kept Calhoun last season. With the crowded wide receiver situation and the fact that it seems a lot of guys have passed him by in terms of special teams production I just don't see any reason to keep him around.
Christian Hopkins (TE) -- The Giants have five tight ends in camp, and he would appear to be the only one without a shot at making the final roster. There just isn't any reason for the Giants to keep him beyond Monday night.
Craig Marshall (DE) -- An undrafted free agent from South Florida, Marshall has watched UDFA Justin Trattou and second-year player Ayanga Okpokoworuk earn praise from the coaches while his name has never been uttered.
Ibraham Abdulai (DT) -- An undrafted free agent from Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Abdulai is buried behind Chris Canty, Linval Joseph and a sea of veteran backups. The Giants will probably want to get veterans Jimmy Kennedy and Gabe Watson playing time as they decide who to keep as backups. Abdulai is not in that discussion.
Brent Clouser (G) -- The Giants are pretty well set when it comes to backup offensive linemen. Clouser, a UDFA from Villanova, seems unlikely to stick around after Monday.
Ike Ndukwe (T) -- A four-year veteran, Ndukwe seems buried behind Jamon Meredeth, rookie James Brewer, veteran guard/tackle Stacy Andrews and maybe even undrafted free agent Jarriel King. He might be a guy capable of making an NFL roster, but it doesn't seem like it will be with the Giants.
David Sims (S) -- The Giants currently have seven safeties on the roster, including undrafted free agents Sims and Jerrard Tarrant. I am guessing that one of the UDFAs is going after Monday, and I will roll the dice and say it will be Sims.
Notes
The Giants are still carrying two placekickers, and I think they keep both for Thursday. I doubt they keep both on the final 53. They still have the two punters, and I believe they will keep four quarterbacks through Thursday night.
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This sounds about right
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
I'd cut Eli too
just to make sure he still bleeds
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Bad news!
I can almost guarantee the Giants won’t be bringing him back.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This might be blasphemy
But I like Perriloux. Bomar has broken my heart too many times now.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
they can “sneak” Perriloux to the PS, at the final cuts, we’ll see.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone see Hagan!!!???
Former Giant looked great for new team Oakland. Should have tried to keep him.
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
Knowing Al Davis
Hagan probably got a 106 year, $2.2 trillion deal with $1.75839 trillion guaranteed. No way we could match that. Though I heard we lowballed him and only offered him $56 billion over 17 years.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
There's that word again...
should probably be our mantra this year…the lowballers!!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
We’re the blimp-jumping, lowballing, 2-14 probably going, never superblow winning, playlet sniffing NY Giants.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and we like to run from cowwebs
don’t forget…
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
damnit how could i forget
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
it's ok, there's a lot going on right now
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
of course
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He looked great in one preseason game
That’s the best the I’ve ever seen him look. I wish him all the best but we don’t need him.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Saw that.. I think it's a product of a less complicated offensive scheme.
I would LOVE to see how our guys would perform under a different coordinator. No slam to Gilbride (still preseason, it will come in due time) but I have to think our guys would be even better.
I think Hagan becomes another Ryan Grant
I think he becomes a big star for someone else
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Calhoun sucked
The Injured Barden looked better than the healthy Calhoun
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I only saw 1 catch from Barden.
besides that, he’s out too much for me to remembr anything that he did.
You are exactly right...
Calhoun will be probably get cut tomorrow and I don’t Barden will survive the final cut. He didn’t shown much when he was healthy. I think Thomas took his spot.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
JR pretty much said that Barden ain't getting cut
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
they might as well start being the angry man that yells at the cloud
makes more sense to do that then worry about Barden making the team. He’s on the team, no question.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Practice squad or PUP for Barden...
if they decide to keep him.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Barden
He cannot be placed on the practice squad. He has been active for too many games in his career.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 29, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Ed...
for clearing that up. I love your work. If you need a sports writer in the future, pass the word on to me.
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
he will most likely be on PUP
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He's such a cute PUP
Can we keep him?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Aug 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please please please?
:3
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I would rather
have neither myself, when final cuts arrive. I don’t think Barden even “deserves” to be on PUP list!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes sense gatsby
How?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Aug 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How?
as in being cut! People wouldn’t be singing for Barden if he wasn’t a 3rd round pick.
I dare say, if Cruz wasn’t an UDFA and a 3rd round pick instead, the tune would change?
The Steelers have been in 3 Superblows in 6 years, and won 2 of then, they are not afraid to cut draft picks!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Folks around here list the number of draft picks still on the team as evidence of Reese's glory
Folks fail to analyze the quality of those players being clung to. To be a good GM you need to draft guys good enough to hang onto, but you also have to realize when you’ve drafted guys not worth hanging onto and move on.
who are we clinging to all that much?
Sintim? Barden? Beckum? that’s who you’re talking about right? should we cut a high draft pick after 2 seasons in the league? wouldn’t that be foolish since most draft analysts agree it takes at least 3 years to really analyze draft picks? so who are we clinging too? I bet last season you’d put Beatty in that category, now it looks like he may contribute highly to our success this season. Same for Beckum. this is it, this is his finals. if he passes, he moves on to the next grade. up until this season, how could we have fairly evaluated him while he languished behind bossman?
we are in the age of “i want it, and i want it now.” fortunately for us, you don’t run a team like that, and we have a GM that agrees.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Those three are clingers
We clung to Wilkinson through his entire rookie contract right?
but how can you say that?
it takes 3 years to analyze a draft pick typically. this is there third year! if you give up on a draft pick any earlier, opposing GMs would love you.
listen i’m not blind, i see that this is a big year for those guys. Sintim is starting to reek of bust, i’ll agree. but he still needs this third year before that grade is in. look, ppl were ready to throw Manningham out the window after his start, now he’s our second best receiver and widely looked upon as a steal for us.
and finally, every team has clingers, as you put it. hell, look at the Jets. they held on for dear life to Gholston, because they couldn’t afford not to. year one of Kyle Wilson was looked at as slight bust material, now from all reports, he’s rounding out into a decent find. snap decisions are rarely the right decisions. these guys need time to prove it, or not.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
3 years on an entire draft class is a hard pill to swallow
A guy here or there that is slow on the development, ok, but you should have another guy making an impact in some way.
they do; THIS GUY
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
It looks like bird poop on his Jersey (white spray paint)
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 29, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How many years did it take Toomer
to do anything? Strahan? Tuck?
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Strahan was astarter by year 2
Tuck was injured year two and the equivalent of a starter in the rotation by year three I believe. If I thought Beckum, Barden, or Sintim would duplicate that it would be one thing, but we are talking about guys who have shown squat even when healthy. Toomer was the latest bloomer of the bunch from a starter perspective, but had a ST impact immediately setting a punt return record in his first game. Any of these other guys hanging around have an impact like that early? Yeah, didn’t think so.
wait
so it’s ok for Tuck to be injured, and Beckum and Barden cannot? how can it be good for the goose, but not for the gander?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Hindsight thinking
Since Tuck became a good player in his 3rd year, then it was OK for him to be ineffective and/or injured in his first two seasons.
If Beckum and/or Barden become quality players, we won’t hear anything about how they were wasted picks.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
it is 20/20...
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
As I said
If I thought Beckum, Barden, or Sintim would duplicate that it would be one thing. These are not guys who have been completely without chances, they’ve had chances and done very little with them. Sintim was handed the starting job and lost it without any injury involved. Beckum has plenty of healthy time where he hasn’t done anything, some with Barden.
let me ask you a question and be honest
did you think the same about Beatty before this season?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I'm still not sold on Beatty
He has been given the starter job only to fail before. Hopefully for the sake of the team that doesn’t repeat.
When was he given the starter's job before?
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
No
He was given a chance to win the job in camp. The Giants went with Diehl, who wound up needing help all season long and ineffective.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Yet was better than Beatty
says something doesn’t it?
Perhaps the coaches were wrong
Believe it or not, coaches can be wrong.
No one can tell me that Diehl was a better option than Beatty. Even if Beatty needed help, he still would’ve been on the field, gaining experience. There was an upside there. There was no upside to Diehl being out there when he was ineffective.
By the way, those coaches are the same people who put an injured O’Hara back in the starting lineup. The same O’Hara who still hasn’t recovered from his injuries and still hasn’t found a new team.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
plus Beatty was injured last season!
he was dealing with a foot injury, lets’ not have revisionist history here.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Beatty was making mental mistakes
Coaches are going to take the slower guy that isn’t causing penalties. Beatty needs to show his mental chops equal his agility.
O’Hara was the best at setting protection schemes, so my guess is the coaches got greedy to have him back. Yes, they screwed up playing him too soon.
You've already called Beatty a bust
so anything he does now has already proven you wrong.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Don't know that I've called him a bust
but yes I’ve stated he has shown nothing to make me overflow with confidence. I have also said over and over that I’d love to be proven wrong here because it is better for the team!
I had to search for it
Sintim and Beatty were the second round busts that year…
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
guess Eli is toast then
he has a certified bust protecting his blind side.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
ok still hope he proves me wrong
he still hasn’t done that
ok so if he goes out and performs to a level that we all say is good
then that would shatter your theory of us hanging on too long to these clingers. by your thinking he should have already been shown the door.
it’s a little rash triple 7. giving up so quick on 24, 25 year olds is not how you run a team.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
1 for 4 won't be a very good return
If 3 of 4 go and stud it up, yeah I’m wrong. If 2 of 4 do it, I’ll meet ya in the middle, how about that?
Beckum / Barden / Sintim
Barden has played alright, and Beckum we need as we have a tight end problem (sounds a bit painful), but Clint Sintim is another story. How many highly rated draft picks disappoint in their first two years but still become impact players? Don’t know, you’d have to go and analyse it, but the only recent one I can think of is that Chiefs defensive end. Seems to me that if they’re going to be really good, they usually show it within the first two years. Put it this way, I would be pissed off if we cut Mark Herzlich, he went on to be elite, and Sintim remained mediocre.
This would be year 3 for Barden
Tuck had done nothing in his first two years, ending his second season on IR.
Armstead didn’t become a force on special teams until his 3rd year and didn’t become a starter until his 4th year.
Toomer was a 2nd-round pick so saying that he was a nice returner doesn’t equate to the expectations that you’ve set for high-round picks. You’ve always said that a high pick should be able to start or compete for snaps.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Toomer didn't start until his 4th year
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
He still came from a better program than Barden
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
What does that matter?
Lower pick, lower dollars, lower expectations.
So you give Toomer a pass as a 2nd-round pick because he was a returner
but with 3rd-round pick Barden it’s all about expectations.
Are you saying that Toomer was expected to be just a returner as a 2nd-round pick?
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
I'm not giving anyone a "pass"
I am acknowledging at least making some impact for the team. Barden has had ZERO impact. Not starting is one thing, but find a way to help you team.
whenever he's healthy he's produced
the problem is he’s not been healthy. that is the problem.
if by finding a way to help your team you mean specials, i’ll give you that. Barden is not a special teamer. never was, never had to be, never will be. but after year one, where he was never gonna produce, barring injury, he’s produced when able to crack the lineup. remember, he’s been behind arguably one of the top 3 WR rotations in the league the past 2 seasons. Snaps are very limited when your sitting behind 2 pro bowlers, and a 900+ yard stud in waiting.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I haven't seen that production
Like Beatty, I’ll be thrilled if I’m wrong. If the Giants are winning I’ll be happy being wrong about just about anything.
for one
being on the PUP list hurts no one. he doesn’t take up a roster space, and isn’t getting a bonus for being there. so he’s in no way hurting the Giants by recouping on the PUP list. the only thing he’s doing is making us wring our hands wondering if he will ever be able to contribute to the team. he’s not been a negative in any way to our team, says all the right things, and seems to be a decent guy.
2, yes, yes draft position means everything. it means he’s making x amount more than Cruz; and it means he has to be looked at and decided upon differently than an UDFA. but that’s life Gats; the VP of a company gets treated with different gloves than the mailroom clerk. it’s just how it is. that’s in every walk of life, not just 3rd round NFL draft picks.
and where is this mass parade of 3rd round or higher busts that have been cut by the Steelers? i’d like to see it.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
What I said...
they are not afraid to cut draft picks!….Your interpretation of that, is what is it is!
Barden for VP of the PUP list!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 29, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
we cut draft picks too
but 3rd round or higher…they’ve got to get a valid shot at success before the gun is jumped.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Calhoun has no idea what he's doing
Barden was on his way to having a great game before his got hurt.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Sintim
won’t be one of the eight, BUT he’s done about as much as Ed’s fav whipping boy Calhoun
They’ve only kept Duke Calhoun because it’s one of the coolest names in football.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
For Sure...
Remember that Wellington Mara’s nick name was the “Duke”!! All official NFL footballs are inscribed with “The Duke” in his memory for his contribution to the league!!!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Barden
has only proved he’s soft, if he wasn’t a 3rd round pick, he’d be long gone. Can you say Sinorice Moss, or Clint Sintim
Barden had surgery that would make Steve Smith's seem like cleaning his teeth
that he’s close to coming back speaks to his toughness. Sintim had major surgery as well, that he’s on the field speaks to his toughness.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
But
where’s the production, when these ‘tough’ guy’s are on the field?
by Cruz Control on Aug 29, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
you have to get on the field in order to produce
these guys have either been hurt or buried on the depth chart. WHen Barden was actually playing, he did produce
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
the minute barden got extended PT
Eli was throwing to him on 3rd downs like it was his job.
prior to that Killdrive wouldn’t play the kid.
but of course, Victor Cruz isin’t soft…i mean, IR’d over a hammy but he’s shown “toughness” i suppose.
TeamJPP
or Adam Koets
he must still play with dolls
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I cant.......
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
O i can do that , but trying to explain why the Giants would keep a
3rd round WR after being buried on the depth chart his 1st yr and injured the 2nd is beginning
to really hurt my head.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
haha I know the feeling
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Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This is by far the best image I have seen
Applies to Qu__n, Sintim, Beckum, KG, many others in my opinion. But I would still give Barden this year to prove.
+100000.
You are a hero.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Dockery
if you like watching him chase a receiver who just torched him, by all means bring him back
LOL!
Ross hasn’t been healthy in a while. I think he’s finally healthy beginning to show what he can do.
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Ramses The Great
year 1 – 3 games 1 catch for 16 yds
year 2 – 3 games 5 catches for 64 yds
year 3 – starts the year on pup……
Are you afraid that Barden will take away snaps from Cruz?
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
No
Can’t do that from the PUP list, can he? As far as Cruz being put on IR last season, had more to do with the team needing a roster spot, if I recall they signed Blackmon?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
No, they IR'd Cruz
because they needed 1 spot, for 1 week for a kicker when Tynes sprained his ankle.
yep.
The point is
needed a roster spot, Blackmon, Graham, whomever….He didn’t need to be be on IR
for the duration of the season due to his injury.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
how's about he actually starts the year on the PUP before that conclusion is drawn
he can come off at any time right now.
Also Cruz was on IR last year cuz he wasn’t tough enough to overcome a hammy injury.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
No Cruz was on IR because Reese is a chump
Cruz said he didn’t need to be on IR and he would have been able to come back and play that season without issue. Reese needed to make a roster spot and basically used IR to redshirt Cruz thinking he had plenty of depth at WR. We then got banged up at WR and the league investigated the issue around the angle of Reese abusing the IR system to stash a player. The league ended up dropping it, but the fact that it started at all is telling.
Cruz was IRed Week 5.
Nobody would have guessed we’d lose Steve Smith, Ramses Barden, AND Hakeem Nicks to injury.
How is Reese a chump for that!? The fact that he was able to stash Cruz on IR was genius cause otherwise he’d be gone and we wouldn’t even be having this decision in the first place.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I say chump
because it was a sleazy enough move to garner league attention. That’s not the Giant’s I root for. Traditionally the Giants have been a classy team that plays by league rules, looks to make the entire league better, and takes care of their players. That is not what we have seen out of this FO. I don’t like to see my team trying to cheat the edges of IR by IRing a guy that doesn’t have an IR worthy injury.
That's a way to look at it...
I dunno mate, I just say that if it got the league’s attention and they were scrutinized and found to be not guilty, then its okay in my book.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The reports sounded a lot more like not enough evidence to pursue
rather than not guilty. Reality was probably a back room talk of pursuing it would be bad PR for the team and the league, so don’t pull this crap again JR and move on.
that's what "not guilty" means
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
yes, it is
ever heard of casey anthony? if there is not enough evidence to support a prosecution, then the charge is “not guilty”. i believe you meant to say “innocent”.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
No
They called off the investigation meaning no evidence was heard or judged upon. Nobody declared them not guilty. More like the DA deciding not to prosecute.
my bad
i misread what you wrote
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Cruz was on IR cuz he's a chump
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
year 1 he was a rookie playing behind Nicks, Manningham and Steve Smith.. soooo wheres the playing time coming from?
year 2After finally getting a shot he cought (although not many ) every ball thrown to him.then he got hurt !!!!
year 3 will gain close to 500 yds and have 8 tds.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
Troy O
Barden and his 8 tds will look good on your fantasy team
by Cruz Control on Aug 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
it will look horrible on the Giants tho
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No
it would look GREAT on the Giants if Troy’s 8 TD fantasy became a reality!!!
by Cruz Control on Aug 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
never got into "fantasy".
to much love for the game.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
You
and Mike Francesa have too much love for the game
by Cruz Control on Aug 29, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So this year, if the math pattern holds Barden should have...
3 games, 25 catches for 256 yards. I hope the three games include two against the Eagles!
Cruz IR
I’m sure he begged the Giants to put him on IR
Shaun O'Hara not likely to be picked up by the Dolphins
Releasing him was such a big mistake. Should've re-upped him for moar moneyzz
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
should've kept Bill Sheridan the Miami LBeezers look good
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
yes
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That has to be 2010.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
not at all.
I also hope for the best for the bossman.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
joselio hanson
Sounds like joselio hanson is odd man out in philly could prob be scooped for conditional draft pick. I say we look into it!
anything more than a 6th and I say no dice
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I say we wait till he's released
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think he'll make it that far
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Aug 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No point...
we already have our nickel CB – Brian Williams
conditional
Heard on profootballtalk.com that he would prob go for a conditional which means rags only get anything good maybe a 5th or6 th if he plays certain amount
I wouldn't mind if he were cheap. He's a decent nickel corner.
fit him in the slot. Have Cweb on one side, and prince take over for ross when he inevitably disintegrates his hammy.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
They way they should cut these guys is
throwing them out of the Metlife Blimp after tonights game
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
why not before the game?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
nah
they need a fighters chance depending how they play tonight
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Can it wait until tomorrow in the daylight?
I’ve been waiting all year for the Blimp Rides and I want a good view of it.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Whats all this about Cruz being on IR again?
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Aug 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
No your reading it wrong
We’re just reminiscing about the good times last season
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Aug 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ah....carry on!
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Aug 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
oh nothing
cruz got IR’d b/c he’s tough as nails.
Barden got IR’d b/c he’s soft as baby food
you know, that old convo.
TeamJPP
who are these guys?
except Calhoun, I haven’t seen any of these guys on the field..
I’d say this is about right…
def. Calhoun’s time to go
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
wow Gurode just got cut.
guess he didn’t want a pay cut.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
What?
But Lombardi said he’s a blue chipper…maybe it’s just all cowboys are blue chippers by default.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
They're all pro bowlers
Like half of the Red Sox and Yanks are
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
he's getting paid right now more than Tuck and Osi combined for this year.
And doesn’t want a paycut.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess...it depends on the cost. If he takes the vet min, than hell yeah I want him
but we signed a healthy young C in David Baas to a 5 year 25 million dollar deal. And we have Koets, Cordle, Boothe, and Snee as backups there.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants offering free parking due to anticipatory problems getting to the stadium.
Parking on the metlife blimp, of course.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
How pissed off would you guys be if the Eagles signed Shaun O'Hara?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
or pissed off at all?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be very happy
If it keeps Vick off IR until game 3. I love watching the guy play, and I want him to be there so that we can sack him 6 times.
He got absolutely hammered at least 7 times, I mean potentially injury hammered, and it was by Cleveland, and only preseason. This would have been Kolb’s year.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be upset
but I don’t think he’d play well or anything
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
More likely
the would sign Gurode, since they have a rookie center, and a rookie RG, and a journeyman LG.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But they have the potential to be the best Oline....by far, according to a post I read at BGN a couple of weeks ago.
Ya know, because they are Eagles, and have won a few Super Blows in the past decade.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Ike had a very good moment
clearing the way for Scott. Miss Hagan good enough for STs and a #4. But Raiduhs are overpaying everybody.
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