Giants Vs. Bears, Preseason Week 2: What To Look For
The New York Giants host the Chicago Bears this evening in their second preseason game of the 2011 season. The game will be televised by ESPN beginning at 8 p.m. ET. After losing to the Carolina Panthers, 20-10, in their preseason opener head coach Tom Coughlin and the Giants will be looking for improvement in several areas when they face the Bears.
Let's go through some of what to look for against the Bears. In all likelihood this list ends up looking a lot like last week's list.
Improvement From The First-Team Offensive Line (Or, Please Don't Get Eli Killed, Fellas) -- Before the Carolina game new center David Baas had just five practices under his belt, and there were some obvious communication issues along the line.
The Backup Quarterback Battle (Or, Which Guy Do You Hope A Baseball Cap All Season?) -- Sage Rosenfels threw down the gauntlet against Carolina with an excellent 13-for-19 performance for 129 yards. David Carr gets his opportunity Monday night, and it is uncertain whether Rosenfels or young Ryan Perrilloux will finish the game. Rosenfels has been trying to recover from strep throat. Carr might not have to match Rosenfels' numbers against Carolina, but he will need to play well to have a shot at unseating Rosenfels.
The Young And The Restless (Or, The Young Linebackers) -- Undrafted free agent Spencer Paysinger got some first-team reps last week with Michael Boley experiencing back issues. Sixth-round draft pick Greg Jones seems to be quietly gaining some respect around the Giants. Little is settled when it comes to the backup linebackers, though, so keep an eye on which guys step forward. I know I will be paying close attention.
The Tight Ends (Paging Travis Beckum, Mr. Beckum, Time To Show Up, Sir) -- Among the five tight ends currently on the 90-man roster Beckum is the one with the biggest upside -- the player who could have the biggest impact in the team's passing attack. Coughlin, though, is obviously getting tired of waiting for the oft-injured, often inconsistent, third-year player to start getting the job done on a regular basis. "He's got to stay out there," Coughlin said. "You see it. You just need to see more of it. You need to know that he's out there and he's going to practice and he's going to get to work." If Beckum can't start showing it to Coughlin and the Giants more consistently the Giants will likely be looking to upgrade that position before the season begins.
Special Teams (Or, Will They Ever Be Special?) -- Coughlin says the coverage would look a lot better if the Giants would actually make tackles when they have opportunities. Well ... umm ... duh! Failing to make tackles is an issue. The Giants put a lot of time and effort into special teams, and they have to get better than they were a year ago., Early signs against Carolina were not good. Also, let's see if anyone moves ahead in the Matt Dodge-Steve Weatherford punting derby. Watching Rhys Lloyd handle the placekicking duties should also be interesting. We might know more after Monday night about whether or not Lloyd can actually give Lawrence Tynes a real run for that job.
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well
while people are watching Beckum, i’ll be watching to see how KG uses him.
and while it’s great to zero in on JPP i’ll be more interested in how Fewell is using the secondary….
TeamJPP
At least
people can see Beckum, can’t say the same for Barden, now can we?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 22, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Team Barden
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
only a matter of time before you can't keep kicking em while they're down
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
IMO
Special teams needs to get betterPERIOD.
If Beckum doesn’t show up tonite, we may need to look elsewhere. Hopefully KG will call his # early and often to see.
Oline will get some hard looks as well, the majority are proven vets, even Baas; so they should get it together real soon.
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 22, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
Extra Special Teams
As I said last week before the game (and this can be checked before people start talking knee-jerk panic mode), I will be focusing on our special teams, both for coverage and for blocking on returns. The only good thing on Special Teams at all last week was that both punters looked good (despite the terrible coverage), so let’s hope there is more good to say tonight.
Ghost,man you really are big on Barden/Sintim/Ross?
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Andre Brown could become a member
if he makes the team.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
nah i've already got the rights to him
first name same rule. i’ve already been grandfathered in, sorry dini.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Sigh
I should probably take JPP out as well. That’s Andiamo’s.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
No reason you can't be on the same team as someone else
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Just so you know
Barden cost me money last year. I bet an Eagles fan that he’d get 25 receptions last year. It’s the only NFC East blog bet that I’ve lost.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
I made a bet w/ a random Jets fan in the bar last Friday
dude was going in on the Giants “bad offseason”.
I couldn’t just stand there and do nothing… so finally after about 5 minutes I had enough. Took out my blackberry and exchanged my info w/ him right there on the spot.
TeamJPP
bet details?
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
nice work
i guess you’ll be pulling for the bills and dolphins to buck up this year then.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
won't even be paying attention to be honest
I think they’re a decent team but not all that.
I think the Giants should be 10-6 easily….
if anything I think it could be a push….but that’s about it.
TeamJPP
I am big on them as well
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Team Ghost
aka Big Blue Theordore Unit?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Oh, I like it!
Members get complimentary Giants blue Wallabees.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
but it'll be like, blue and cream!
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
and Four finger rings
and matching Robes for platinum members………… where do i apply?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
don't forget the most important piece

everyone on team Blue Theodore is required to have it on at all times.
any QB’s that subsequently join will have the optional one that opens up to show the plays.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Wait
why is he rocking Team Canada colours?
cuz he's Ghost!
it was either that, or one with him rocking an old Vick Falcons jersey. lesser of two evils, eh?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Stark Industries is multinational
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It seems all of those guys are on Team Rorschach too
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Special Teams.....
last week they looked like the same old sorry ST from last season. I am looking for some improvement from these guys, can’t go into another year playing this bad.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000
. I am looking for some improvement from these guys, can’t go into another year playing this bad.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
look for costanza!
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised the Special Teams coach still has a job...
after the last season. He must be related to Coughlin or something.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm interested in
seeing how Beatty handles Peppers. Also hoping to see improvement on the OL as w unit. I think if the OL is fine the offense as a group will be fine.
Congrats to the Eagles. They beat the Redskins and can officially be declared the off-season champs.
+1
Alternating between JPP and Osi and now having to face Peppers, well assuming Peppers picks his side……..Beatty might be one of the best LT’s by the time the season starts with all that work.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
just scored 4 free tickets
12 rows from the field
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
Left two on the dashboard with the window open
someone walked by and left two more
by SNORKIS on Aug 22, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to see improvement...everywhere
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
Special Teams are the obvious...
I wanna see how well our LB corps plays. I don’t think it’s as bad as some people do. Greg Jones and Mark Herzlich are 2 guys I’ll really be paying attention to.
And Adrian Tracy
i’m high on this kid, i don’t know, it might be just me, but i think we have a diamond in the rough there.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I agree
I just hate the fact that he plays the same position as Sintim.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
one of them needs to convert to end
both of them can.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Check the LBz on my sig,boys
Tracy can ball
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
If that's the line up
I hope Herzlich plays weakside well, because we have nobody after Boley at WILL. I think Herzlich gets replaced by either Dillard or Paysinger, but I hope your right cuz I’m rooting for the guy.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought I read a scouting report from before the draft that Greg Jones might better be suited for WILL in the NFL
Anyone know if he’s gotten reps there, or has it all been at MIKE?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 22, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
mostly all MIKE
doesn’t have the range to play WILL just yet.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the inclusion of Trattou in Team Intervention
Cause that’s ballsy
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I can see him taking over Tollefson's roll next year if we don't draft a DE
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the courage of your convictions
And it wouldn’t surprise me. Lots of NFL guys feel if a backup can’t challenge a starter by year 4 or is a star on STs, you need to move on. Get younger, get hungrier. That’s the theory anyway.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Agreed
Its all about upside. What’s the point of having a backup if they don’t have starter potential?
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Team Greg Jones reporting for duty
And friggin’ gonna kill it tonight.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
do you think he's got legit starter potential down the road, B?
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Could challenge Goff next year, he plays smart
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I meant Trattou,not Greg Jones
I’m on the GJ bandwagon already..he played last year 10lbs heavier for the scouts to see a weight they would be comfortable with..he’ll drop a little and be a major steal..like a solid extra 2nd/3rd rounder
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhhh
Yes and no.
As far as upside goes, most definitely. Problem is, this is probably the worst spot for a UDFA DE in the entire league. He’s got almost no chance to make the roster. My thinking is that if he makes it to the PS, next year, he’ll take over for Tolly. If not, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets picked up by another team and makes his way into becoming the 2nd DE for some DE hungry team. You know we’re going to coach him up well.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Team John Goff
All eyes on John tonigh for me……. i have been hearing from the players like Kiwi and Rolle that this kid is ready for it all…… Cant wait (Bart Scott voice).
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
i was just watching some youtube stuff from the panthers game
Goff really exploded on a cpl of run plays. he really has a nose for sniffing out and stopping a runner cold. wraps up too, which is rarer and rarer these days.
i think i’m alright with Goff as our Mike. i think i am.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Not just a run stopper, he can cover too
check the link in my sig……………. John will be just fine for years.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
good link
he does more of that, that LBZZZ talk will be all but gone come next season.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
For sure Deuce Deuce
I agree.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Love that play
And the commentary, great stuff
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Team Everyone
The biggest reason I love preseason is that we get to see basically everyone we’re looking to get some game time (or bench time) this year. I don’t like selecting a few or one player to watch, I’d rather try to watch everyone a few times (thanks, DVR) and see what we got. Not saying there’s anything wrong with people selecting one or a few key players to watch, I guess I’m just overly excited for the season to start.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Oh absolutely haha
I have the game DVR’d to watch a couple times. Tonight going to watch everybody, then later, going to dvr into Greg Jones.
Its cause I wanted this guy (not more than Akeem Ayers of course) on the Giants since december…and lo and behold he’s here!
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
true, true
can’t blame you for being pumped that a few of your picks panned out (so far). i just find it funny that we’re naming team X player now. that being said, i may have to jump on the bandwagon and pick a team or two haha
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Yeah credit Andiamo for starting Team JPP
then we all jumped in bandwagon style
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
ah, true
i forgot he started up team jpp…he’s a good dude, so i take back any negative sentiment toward the team names.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Team um.....Team Giguere??
all the other cool ones were taken. :)
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
You could always join
Team Greg Jones.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
welcome aboard
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I do like Greg Jones
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
who doesn't like Greg Jones
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
terrorists?
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
As the All American he is....yes, you may be right
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
plus, who cares what they think
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
..
plus, who cares what they think
Other terrorists?
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
touché, salesman
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
lemme @ em, lemme @ em
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That legit makes me smile every time I hear that
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
at the bargain price of a 6th
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well London was a bargain as well, i think he was a UDFA
They are very similar in all aspects.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I totally agree
I think Jones is Fletchher 2.0….no doubt about it.
Herzlich (if back to norm) is Urlacher 2.0 potentially
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
couldn't agree more with you,Gates
Herz must be kept..can’t see him not returning to peak form…and if he does it’s like having an extra 1st
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
and Will Beatty?
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
i do like me some GJ
but he’s no Giguere.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
ew
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, I meant it in a negative way
like, I’m only suggesting a Team Quinn to get him out of town
eh..ah well
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
No that's a team I can get on board with!
Just give Izzo the job and call it a day.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
YES
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be playing for the other team
not that there’s anything wrong with that
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I just flushed a Tom Quinn….
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Im watching
Guys playing the slot reciever and the punting competition. I have zero confidence in Dodge and from Friday’s post it sounds like he might win the competitiion, I’m worried.
Also hopeing Carr and step up so we can get rid of Sage’s salary.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
yeah i'm with you Late
if we hadn’t had signed weatherford, and there was no one really available to push Dodge, i would’ve been on board with at least giving him this preseason to show he’s grown. but that all went out the window when we signed the best FA punter available! am i missing something here with weatherford, why is he not thoroughly entrenched as our starter already?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
smoke & mirrors, i guess
maybe they’re looking for dodge to place kick or something? doubtful since they signed rhys lloyd. maybe they still believe in dodge and think he’ll be good later on, and try to practice squad him with the hopes that other teams don’t go after him. dodge does have tremendous kicking power – if he works on his accuracy, he could be one of the best punters in the league. that’s a big “if”, though.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
maybe
i’m all for there best man win thinking, but will that translate into reg. season, when it actually counts? in my mind, we have one that has had reg season success, and one that hasn’t. that’s where it should end imo.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
agreed 100%
i just think they’re not ready to let dodge walk because they see his potential. i still think weatherford gets the nod regardless.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Dodge winning the comp against a proven punter like Weatherford is a bad thing?
It either means Weatherford really sucks or that Dodge is really good.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
OR
that the FO is really stubborn about their draft picks.
"Kick ass. pop champagne. And get some ho's"-Hideki Matsui
by Livestrong77nyy on Aug 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
they haven't been in the past
so I doubt that’s the case.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Sig Change!
Andiamo is full out Team JPP, but I haven’t seen the others taken. I like Ghost’s guys but they ain’t my type.
I was Team Bruce Johnson before he was gone. Next year. Surprised there ain’t any Team Cruz Missile.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
justin trattou
nice!
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Dude has been growing on me
Probably headed for the PS, but he’s been a monster and a half.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i like your team
i think the only person i’d change is trattou. i would probably change him to either cruz or da’rel scott. can’t have the only offensive player be a tackle…
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Haha if I picked more offense
it would be Team Hakeem
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
ok ok
but are we going with under-the-radar types? most knowledgeable fans know the awesomeness of The Dream.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
lol yes
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
It’d then be “The Dream Team” which might get confusing.
by BleedBigBlue on Aug 22, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, good point
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
over Paysinger?
Maybe your right but whats up with him that your keying on him..he’s fodder,no?
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The one day I went to training camp
He was more impressive than Pierre Paul. Granted, he was going up against Jamon Meridith or somebody else, and not Will Beatty. He’s a high upside player as well. In my mock drafts back in march/april, I had him going in the 6th. Granted, I didn’t know much about him, but after seeing him, he’s got a real nice motor.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
whoever the best men happen to be..I'm all for it
but would rather have the guys in my sig
Tracy deserves a spot,over a lot of these guys
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Tracy has been solid no doubt
Though I can’t say I saw him when I went. All I got on him is from the practice reports and the Carolina game.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
As Bergen Catholic alum...
I hate to say it, but Trattou is a MONSTER. I would take him over Tolly.
Team Dillard
Because I am Nebraskan. Would have been Team Prince, but that is on hold for now. I guess I am stuck with Dillard, who has disappointed the hell out of me.
you might as well just name your team
team practice squad then. cause i think unfortunately that’s where Dillard’s headed. disappointing, for real.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Can't see how he doesn't get cut..
wait,is there another thread?Where is every1?
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Dillard is done
Paysinger has taken over as the backup wil backer and Greg jones/ Herzlich will be backing up the Mike spot….. Thats it for Phillip…….. but i dont htink he makes it to Prac squad, a team like the colts or tampa bay will be all over him.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
hate to say it, but I think you are right PDiddy maybe done
but let’s go Team Jones!
maybe PDiddy can still make PS
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
Regardless of how Rhys Lloyd does they should keep him another week...
So he can have the opportunity to kick Tom Quinn’s butt off the field and into early retirement. I’m guessing he’ll get more distance and hang time than Tynes would, and I’d like Quinn a looooooong distance from the Giants.
Team Thomas Baby!
Devin will tear it up tonight and earn the #3 spot.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Nice call,Swami Costanza!
I’d like to see him,Beckum and HAM share that spot with Hixon going outside when HAM slides in.
Steve Smith?
Who’s that?
Is he related to John Doe?
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like we will have a helluva rotation at the #3 WR spot. especially with Beckum
once he stops pretending to be a TE. I dont see any of the “beating” out the other, they all bring something unique to the slot, its gonna be a difficult choice….hopefully someone blows the others out of the water but IDK i just dont see it.
I like Thomas too tho……. I think he is our best kickoff cover guy but then again with the new rules we might as well put Quinn out there him self.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
NY Daily News
saying Hixon is the current leader for WR 3. I don’t mind that.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
as a matter of fact i love it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I like the idea of a rotation there..hopefully Hixon will hang on to the rock,consistently
He looks like more of an outside guy to me..good to have him,but DT,Becks and the occasional HAM sound better,imho…
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Side note
Anybody notice Philly has put SS on the PUP list, that means he got 2 million for 9 games. It’s starting to look like JR was on the money on that non signing.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
Yes.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And that is only if
he is ready at that time.
He will still not have practiced and gotten any type of rhythm with Vick or whomever, timing of his own, actual reads, etc.
If he caught 20 passes this year I would be shocked.
+ the playoffs
He is worth that to them, all their weapons do outside work, the inside will be all SS and we know he is the best at that, if he can come on for them in 9 + games, i see that as being worth it for them.
Now let me put back on my blue shades, being objective makes me sick sometimes.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I still don't think he becomes physically fit till 2012
He’ll play this year, but will be a pale comparison to the guy we rooted for
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I agree
It was tough watching him sign with the Eagles but after I calmed down, I think the Giants gave him a fair offer for a player that nobody knows how much he will be able to contribute this year.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
really on the money..top 5 if not top 3 GM
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Top 5 organization for sure.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Belicheck,Ted Thompson,Jerry Reese
no particular order,I guess
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
Is Belicheck a GM?
Guy from Pittsburgh is pretty good too if you look at the exodus that occurs every year and they keep getting to the SB
Yes Bill is the GM as well
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he all but sells the Hot dogs around there
Pitt GM he’s up there,no doubt,less talent player wise…better coaching than us and that is a big part of GMing
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I actualy bought a hot dog from him.
his suddle combination of ketchup and Onions was amazing……. The man is incredible.
S/N: Does anyone else think the Pats were practicing during the lockout??, something aint right!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Pittsburgh Green Bay & Giants build through draft
Do I wish the Giants would make the splashy move… yes but I am learning that our GM does not believe in a lot of trades or FA signings and he builds by drafting. We forget that he really learned at George Young’s knee and not Ernie’s. Ernie was constantly moving up and down in the draft and if you really look at his record he didn’t start hitting pay dirt till 2004. JR just picks where he is supposed to and looks for value not sexy but that’s how it’s done.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
hate to say it, but NE does it as well.
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
Bill polian
is a beast too.
They find players all over the place.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yeah,he shoud hire a real GM,although he might still be a middle tier drafter
pretty good at picking his coaches..Jason Garret is a lesser Sean Payton imho
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Both of whom are formerly associated with Big Blue
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's pray Jerry never hires a GM
Jerry Jones killed a dynasty and is in the process of messing up Bill Parcells work down there. I pray the guy keeps following Al Davis down the path of do it yourself football ownership!
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Ozzie Newsome is pretty good
but picking Boller really kept the Ravens from doing more damage for many years. That defense could’ve won one or two more Super Bowls.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
That one is supposedly on Billick (and why he got fired)
Supposedly he stood up for Boller in draft bunker against the Wizard’s judgement. Oz supposedly liked a defensive guy in that draft and preferred a vet FA QB. But that was just the scuttlebutt I read.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
He's been great at 1st rounders over the long haul..probably the best...
But can only find garbage and geezers at WR?
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to include Ozzie Newsome
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Absolutely
we should have tried to get him in FA.
by BleedBigBlue on Aug 22, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I'm going to get killed for this
but the Philly FO is damn good too. Andy Reid does the drafting, but I’m talking about Banner/Roseman. Regardless of what you think of it, the way they manipulated the salary cap was masterful.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
They took some huge risks to do it
Got to give them credit for giving Vick a home, cuttiing a lot of veterans to get that far below the cap so they can take advantage of the market. Will it bring them a championships….I have my doubts about the Eagles, they still have a lot of wholes on the O-line D-line and linebacker.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not familiar with exactly how they did that,B
And objectivity is great..we all know who we root for,so…
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Plax's performance last nite!
I’m surprised no one has mentioned it but he played like he never went to jail for 2 years.
He looked good
Let’s see how he does over a season. He is 34 y/o so let’s see whether his body and conditioning hold up.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Call me crazy I was not really suprised...
Plax was never about speed and his hands are underated. Still feels like bizaro world seeing him in that ugly green and white uniform.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 22, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Jest manage his playing time/snap count/his ankle,etc..watch out!
I would take him and his deal over SS12 without blinking!
Him/Nicks/our running game in the red zone
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Which LB's make the cut?
Starters: Kiwi Goff Boley
Adrian Tracy Greg Jones Sintim Herzlich
Maybe keep Sintim if we PUP Osi..Thats it..PUP Osi!
Scout team:Paysinger
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I've noticed that you laugh a lot
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I never thought of "LOL"
as real laughter. ROFL, or hahaha would be. Lol is like a “heh” or brief chortle in real life.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Boss
solid player and good citizen, but too much of an injury risk to invest major $$$$. Wouldn’t you know, he’s hurt already
Gonna record and watch later tonight
Got a pennant race going on and will be watching the Braves game, but I look forward to catching this game at about 9 or so. Here’s to hoping we play well offensively with our starters for the time they are in.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Aug 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

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