Giants Sign DT Gabe Watson
by Mike Farley on Aug 2, 2011 5:06 PM EDT
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PrintYou knew New York Giants GM Jerry Reese had to have something else up his sleeve when it came to the interior defensive line, and he addressed that Tuesday afternoon by signing former Arizona Cardinal Gabe Watson. After Rocky Bernard was not re-signed and Barry Cofield joined the Redskins, the team was basically left with Chris Canty and two youngsters--second year player Linval Joseph and rookie Marvin Austin. The 6-foot-3, 333-pound Watson, 27, played his first five seasons with Arizona after being a fourth-round draft pick out of Michigan.
Watson played in seven games last season, and played in all 16 games just once, in 2007. He has started 21 games in his pro career, and ironically his one postseason start was Super Bowl XLIII against Pittsburgh in 2009. Watson was signed one day after the Giants signed tight end Ben Patrick, another former Cardinal. His career statistics include 83 tackles (38 solo), two sacks, and two forced fumbles.
It's unclear if the Giants signed Watson to start or for depth, but that picture should become clearer over the next few days at training camp.
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Yes, but being 6-7 hurts his leverage. This guy is 6-3. Lower center of gravity.
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
I think he is just depth nothing more
As TC prays that Linval and Austin work out.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
At some point, the Giants are going to have to start improving the team
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I think we already did
with our drafts… I dont buy all the FA hype… The Giants have never bought a team and never will… Yet for some reason we are competitive every year.
It's not about buying a team, it's about being smart in FA
The Giants have basically remained in stasis so far. I mean, the Baas signing was decent, although I’m not sure how good he is.
This team still has a hole at linebacker, and if Boss leaves, it will have a gaping hole at TE.
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the team has no holes in LB
we got almost 10 souls for 3 positions… there arent any great LB’s in free agency to replace them with anyways…
If any team had as much talent as the Giants do, they would be as active as the eagles… which tells you something about the eagles btw…
"This team has no holes in LB"
Yes it does, it really does.
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I think you see young
as a “hole”… then yes you would be correct, we have no savy veterans at the LB position…
I trust out guys – Boley at weak… Goff at middle (which you cannot say he did not markedly improve) and I believe Adrian Tracy will take the strong side… behind our DL and our secondary… that is the making of a pretty fantastic defence..
Boley is below average and Tracy has proven nothing
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If you only let "proven" players play
You will never develop young players. Good teams develop young talent. It’s time for the young guys at LB (and at DT) to prove themselves. If they suck, well then we might be screwed. But let’s not assume they suck until they actually do. Where’s the fun in that? I’m excited to see some young guys finally get their chance to prove they belong!
by Dan the Giant on Aug 2, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Boley is pretty good
when Osi is not blowing past the play leaving Boley to tackle the RB with the FB in the way…
Tracy is young (there is your worry) but he did blow up the first string and second string offences in preseason last year before his arm snapped in two… Kid looks the part of mini LT… (I said Mini)
That and with Tuck, JPP, Linval, Osi (if he comes back), Canty, Austin (after he gets his feet wet), Kiwi and you have to wonder why anyone would overspend for a LB.
Give these players to any Defensive coach and watch him drool, while his head explodes with possibilities.
Everyone’s unproven until given an opportunity.
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
With only two weeks of training camp, who want to have the same team play?
The team that knows each other the best in this shortened off-season will be the team that prospers.
If you don’t like that answer, we didn’t have any cap room anyway
+ 1
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1.Amukamara
2.Austin
3.Jernigan
4.D. Scott
5.Hizi
6.Jason Pierre-Paul
7.Anvil
8.Will Beatty
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And here's to hoping
KP finally takes that “quantum leap.” Now that would be really exciting.
by Dan the Giant on Aug 2, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Disagree a bit
Austin or Anvil are #1
Jernigan is #2
Beaty is #3
Amukamara actaully does not need to step up this year. It would sure help and be nice to see but our sudden gaps at D-Line and revamped O-line need will be the key this year. As well as replacing Smitty becasue we cant count on him till Nov/Dec.
Agree with Syler
This has been a pretty status quo week. The Eagles have improved, we stood still.
Well if you ask me
I would invoke the power of god to extend our cap # to 150mill.
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The cap is not this immovable brick wall
Other teams in the NFL seem to have no problem working around it
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One team in the NFL
and it gets alot easier when you have former number 2 overall picks signing for a million bucks.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Aug 2, 2011 10:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
solid move
Watson is massive but never seemed to fit the Card’s 3-4. Glad to have a dude like this instead of a definite starter. Watson can start and would probably work well with Canty, but he can be beat out.
Reese keeps improving the team this offseason, love it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Watson is a camp body
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Oh,
and the Eagles just signed Ronnie Brown. But good thing we have DT back up.
Ronnie Brown is mediocre
but other teams like the Lions and Saints seem to be getting great players on 1 year deals. I don’t know why the Giants couldn’t do that.
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I agree
You don’t know.
Not every team went into this FA period with the same cap status.
And yes, the cap is an immovable wall. If you have room, you can spend. Plus, the Giants had their own young FA’s whose previous contracts were low. Just getting them back costs more.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Obviously different teams have different cap space
I’m just saying that other teams have seemingly found a way to make space
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ok, so who would you have cut off the Giants this year to make space?
Name names.
Leave out O’Hara and Seubert, cuz JR already did that. Plus Cofield was allowed to walk.
But name some more names. Do math. And then say who you would get to fill the cap space available and at what price.
Until then, saying the GM is lame or incompetent is just gas. If you can do better, say how. I’m sure everyone would love to hear it.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
+2007
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I dont see any names?
haha! Its funny how some fans think the NFL is actually run like the Madden video game, and that you can make any trade you want or get any free agent you want.
I think this was a good year for the Giants to lay low in the free agency field, and I think they are making good smart signings. Who was our big flashy FA signing in 2007?
We were like 1 of 3 teams over the new cap
What were you realistically expecting us to do?
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by wilddre22 on Aug 2, 2011 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Peyton Manning
and Peyton Hillis, also re hire Sean Payton and I’d like to get Walter Payton, if he was still alive. Did I forget anyone ?
So you're not happy with the Giants
for shoring up their D-line with a backup but you’re pumping up the Eagles for shoring up their RB unit with a backup. OK. I guess.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
its ok,we'll still let 'em get away with being fairweather fans..
..when this team finally finishes the season the way it starts..we’re gonna kill it this year!
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 2, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
+10
wins that is
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 2, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
ronnie brown was great for Miami
but outside that organization he wont do anything… probably just suit up every game and get a third of the carries.
they'll probably use him in wildcat as well
Too many offensive options for the eagles, it scares me.
BBV- Bring Back Van Pelt
Didn't even think of that
They’d have the ultimate Wild Cat if they wanted haha
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-John Madden
I understand the need for veteran depth, but I hope this doesn't mean
that they lack faith in Linval . . .
i like the watson pick up now he plays 4-3,eagles got all the guys bcause they needed that.
gmen need cb’s no! ross healthy we 4 deep.gmen need de’s no qb’s no rb’s no.gmen need HEALTH!!!!
by big blue born in philly on Aug 2, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
This is not fantasy football. If Jerry believes our young talent is ready to step up, that’s fine with me. We have some of the most pessimistic fans in the league. Have some faith and pride in your team.
by nicksdafuture on Aug 2, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No your not the only one,skii
I think other teams don’t know whats coming.
They can’t stop this!
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 2, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Faith is usually blind
I trust Jerry’s judgment on most things, but linebackers are not one of them.
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LB
So which LB’s would you have got if you were Jerry. There weren’t any spectacular LB’s available in free agency. Anyone we would have chose would have been a stretch( remember Keith Bulluck). I think its time to put Clint on the field, and the LB’s we drafted are pretty good also.
by nicksdafuture on Aug 2, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have gone after Tulloch or Barnett
From what I recall, Tulloch was a positive against the run and pass.
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How much would have paid them?
With our own FA not signed yet, we can’t afford to offer significant money to a LB without losing one of our own. If we were under the cap, believe me, Jerry would have tried to sign one of them. But we don’t have the money, and its not a dire need.
by nicksdafuture on Aug 2, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
but the cap is not an immovable wall
So the Giants could do it. Because. . . fans without financial reports want it to be true.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
barnett got replaced by bishop at the end of the year
this is a guy who lost his starting to job because of performance…. why would you pay him big money?
pack didnt care that he left… that means something.
tulloch is good obv
Not true at all.
Talk to Tenn. fans. They said that he couldn’t cover his shadow. How’s he different from what we have already?
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
but he has a ton of tackles!!
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Giants usually only suit up 3 DTs on gameday
And I am hoping that by midseason those three will be Canty, Joseph, and Austin. If Watson can provide some depth and take some snaps while Austin gets up to speed, great. I think (hope) that’s all JR was looking for with this move.
Is that right? Usually only suit up 3 DT's on gameday?
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Joseph only suited up at the end last year
it was mainly Canty, Bro and Bernard all year. So yea, 3 DTs.
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thanks.
And why the hell couldn’t we have signed DT Franklin to a one year deal like the Saints did?
I’m getting annoyed.
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
Because Reese is obviously
not looking to sign a starter over Anvil. I’m fine with that.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 2, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I get it.
But talent is talent. And injuries happen. And Franklin is a known quantity. No, he’s an outstanding DT who was the best DT on the team with the lowest RB YPC avg. last year. AND I never have heard of Gabe Watson before. This one bothers me….
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Franklin was probably a few million $
we don’t have the room since we need to get Boss, Smith and Prince signed.
Plus I’d rather see what Joseph and Austin have. Watson is pretty good too, don’t sleep on fatty.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
OK, I won't sleep on him.
It just bothers me that I never heard of him. That and I have been a Franklin fan for a few years now.
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As a general rule
I try never to sleep on fatty
by Dan the Giant on Aug 2, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They make good pillows though
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Yeah, we'll win the practice squad super bowl (or practice bowl or whatever)!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
For all the people saying we should have gotten Zach Miller
He just signed for 5 years, $34M, with $17 guaranteed. Absolutely no way we could have afforded that. Let’s hope that doesn’t drive up the price for Boss, as I’d really like to see him come back, and it’s not clear what other TE options are out there. If we can resign Boss and SS12, and sign Prince, I feel like we’re all set (depending on what happens with all the Osi nonsense, of course).
Depends on what the pick is
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hell to the yeah
Throw in a 3 or 4 and you got a deal!!!
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Clayton suggested they would offer it
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Sounds like Joel Sherman
and all his hypothetical baseball trades – that never happen.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I'd rather keep Boss
and trade Osi for something good
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Not if the Raiders bid up the price on Boss
I like Boss, but he isn’t worth a lot of money.
He averaged 15 YPC last year and is a tremendous blocker
He’s critical to our offense
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He also
had really bad hands, and is 3-4 concussions in. Like I said, I like the guy, but the raiders have more money to spend (if they were genuinely in the running for Miller). If they want Boss, then they can outbid us. Also, Boss has mentioned he likes the idea of being back in the pacific northwest
If Boss goes, or TEs are Travis Beckhum and Ben Patrick
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Boss would only go
If we traded for John Carlson
Last year was the first year he had bad hands
before that he caught nearly everything
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I was thinking the same thing!
Id rather have Boss though…however, Boss is a west coast guy…he could have his sights on OAK now…
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This was speculation
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Lmao. Some guys sound like Laker and Knick fans
Sign him, sign that, sign this, sign her, sign it. Cap room and lack of quality of players at the position’s we need seem to not exist to some
Oh yes, because I'm totally suggesting the Giants spend $40 million on a linebacker
Is it really that unreasonable to suggest the Giants try and improve a position which most people around the NFL would agree has been a weak spot on the Giants for years?
I can understand holding off on not signing someone until Smith and Boss are done. But I’ve seen this story play out with Reese before.
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Its only considered weak
because compared with the rest of the Giants team it is the weakest link… but compared to the rest of the league its actually quite good.
How so?
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we are fundamentally at odds
you dont want rookies and unproven players at linebacker… and I love the youth movement!
So much promise, so much talent – Tracy, Boley, Goff, Dillard, Herzlich, Ingram, Williams, Jones, Kiwi and Sintim… How could you not expect 3 great players to come out of that… All they need is their chance, signing a Vet would only hurt their growth.
so because their young
there HAS to be some good there?
not at all
I have seen Jacquian Williams has done (USF Alumni) and he is last on the depth chart…
If everyone is better than him, then we have probably one of the best LB “trio” in the league.
I dont want any vet hindering or preventing them seeing the field because JR caved and all of a sudden doesnt trust his own judgement.
Syler, I'm with you
Boley, Goff, and Sintim/Tracy scare nobody. Our linebacking core is poo-poo. Too many people only see things through their big blue tinted glasses.
blue tinted glasses is also seeing that the LB core is "poo-poo" like its supposed to be 86 again
compared to most LB units in the NFL, Giants are right on par with them. And this is LB units, not 3-4 with a bunch of DEs at LB.
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I think our LB unit is average at best
but with our offense, d-line, and secondary the defense as a whole is a huge strength.
Our linebackers are pretty much equivalent to our tight ends. They take care of what they need to do and that’s enough with our above average o-line, wrs, running game, and qb.
When?
When did this story play out. This is 1st time in recent time we HAVE to be under the salary cap. In terms of team needs….
1. OL (We released 2 veterans)
2. RB (Bradshaw)
3. TE (Boss) not signed
4. WR (Smith) not signed
5. LB
by nicksdafuture on Aug 2, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
1) We have Bass, Snee, McKenzie, Diehl, Beatty, Boothe, Koets, White, Petrus, and one of either Brewer/King. the only thing we might do with OL is potentially bring in a cheap vet depth T.
2) RB we signed AB so were set.
3) Hopefully we can resign Boss at a decent price and not have to worry about the position.
4) Smith will be signed, but he’s not playing till week 6, same as Barden most likely. We have Nicks, Manningham, Hixon, Jernigan, Cruz. Maybe we bring back a guy like Hagan or Thomas to be a 3rd/4th WR for cheap but thats it.
5) LB I think were almost there. We have Goff, Boley, Sintim, Dillard, Jones, Herzlich, and Williams. I depth guy (maybe bring back Chase Blackburn) would round out the group.
So we’re really almost there.
All in all I think the giants need a vet depth tackle, and DE (especially if Osi is traded), resign Boss and Smith, a vet depth WR, and a vet depth LB. Should be manageable.
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sign Prince.
All in all I think the giants need a vet depth tackle, DE (especially if Osi is traded), resign Boss and Smith, a vet depth WR, and a vet depth LB. Should be manageable.
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I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.
Are you comfortable going into the season with Nicks, Manningham, Hixon, Jernigan, and Cruz?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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I would add Derek Hagan
if Boss or another TE with some rec. ability’s comes in . yes.
By the time a new WR can pic up the O and IMO contribute we would be 1/2 to getting those other guys back anyway.
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Ronnie Brown to eagles
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
he is chronically hurt
most likely be a third down back and one good hit would end him… McCoy scares me the most out of the Eagles backfield… and I am not that worried about the eagles backfield.
JR reaaly, really needs a reality check...
The Absolute Refusal to realize LB’s help u win
Score: 55 May 4, 2011 4:56 pm (Wilkinson the exception in 3rd). Just look at what that philosophy has prodcued in the last few years, Kiehl, Wilkinson, Goff, Tracy.. need I say more? When Reese sais “we have some good young guys, that will develop,etc” As Judge Judy sais “Don’t pee on my leg and tell me its raining” Reese keeps feeding that BS. The reality is since the superbowl draft. He is about 2-21 on picks. Does anyone question this? The press treats him like Bill Polian, Scott Pioli,etc.. But THAT IS NOT REALITY.!!!!..
I’ve menioned this before. Can anyone see which secondary’s in the NFL have the highest percentage of their teams tackles. I would bet the Giants have been in the top 5 since Stray retired.. That is a formula for disaster.. Can anyone tell me why with the worst rated LB core in the NFL the last 3 years, that Jerry Reese refuses to improve a very important position? Just Flat our refuses… Greg Jones was a nice player in College, but once again, Reese will say “duh, our guys need to step up”.. He literally thinks LB’s should be picked only after the 4th round (Sintim was in the 2nd, but a DE in college)
Stop telling us the young guys at LB will step up. or “have” to step up. Don’t blame them, they’re not that good. With 5th round picks and Free Agents at that position, its your F’in******** fault we have NO talent there. We are sooooo concerned with height weight speed guys in the top 4 rounds. So concerned that we drafted guys like Beckham, Sintim, Moss, Chad Jones (its sad what happened, but the reality is wasted pick), Joseph,JPP in those picks.. the contribution of those five guys combined is zero.(outside a little late season impact by JPP).. Beckham absolutley stinks, he was not that great at Wisconsin. Sintim was a DE in college, and yet another failed LB conversion..hint: draft a guy that has played F’in******** LB in College. Wow, a revelation.. Note: you can convert a DE to a 304 outside rush LB, but not to a 4-3 LB!
News Flash. No Team in NFL history. I mean NOOOOO team. Has ever been successful without very good LB’s. Possibly Excellent LB’s.
And no team, has won with 10 DE’s and No LB. When we won, Pierce was playing is heart out, and even Kawika Mitchell was playing at a high level. We got lucky with Kawika that year, as he played his heart out for that next contract.
Am I the only one that sees this. Is no one calling out Reese for this (no LB’s). Everyone, just watch a game and watch our LB’s blown off the ball, missing tackles, TE’s absolutley kill the Giants…great Height Weight Speed doesn’t give us a thumper in the middle like Pierce was..Yeah, yeah, not that many great LB’s in this years draft,etc… Well, when we drafted Kiwi…DEMECO Ryan was right there for the taking. Right there (and went to the Texans with the next F’in******** pick)… But you know Reese was like (in the voice of a little kid) “no LB’s, waaah, no LB’s waah”.. KIWI might be OK one day. But just one example. We can’t base every F’in******** draft now, off of the terrible SF playoff meltdown game. Ernie Acorsi was right to improve the pass rush. But Reese is taking the 20 man DLine roster too new levels. There is a reason, successful teams like GB, Jets, NE, Pittsburgh suceed on D. Its WITH VERSATILE PLAYERS and ready for this, oh my god, ready WITH GOOD LINEBACKERS!!!. Moving Parts. Not 11 DE’s, Not 11 DT’s, Not 11 LB’s. But ready for this….. A mix of players..
But I guess Jerry, Mark Ross know better.. A team of 9 starting Defensive Ends/Tackles will work, not becuase history sais so, becuase THEY say so.
The Colts are almost completely built through the draft, no FA
though “More than half of their early picks over this span have been spent on either a linebacker or a cornerback.”(bleacherreport)
BBV- Bring Back Van Pelt
Name one
even fringe pro-bowl linebacker of theirs.
Gary Brackett has been pretty good
Although I wasn’t trying to make the point that their LBs were good, just sharing the info I came across.
BBV- Bring Back Van Pelt
built through the draft
so are the packers, steelers, and falcons. Now some of the teams that make big splashes in free agency year in and year out like the jets or maybe washington that’s a different model all together. I can’t think of anyone who has made a ton of free agency moves and had a boatload of success except for the patriots. But I guess everyone’s right and we should be signing a bunch of free agents like the eagles are because everyone knows what a great superbowl tradition they have.
by wednesdays_spear on Aug 2, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
you
can argue that when the saints won they were good maybe above average but not very good.
"We will be perfect in every aspect of the game. You drop a pass, you run a mile. You miss a blocking assignment, you run a mile. You fumble the football and I will break my foot off in your John Brown hind parts...and then you will run a mile. Perfection. Let's get to work."
Coach Boone
Remember The Titans [2000]
I want Lofa Tatupu in Giants Blue, but, he's probably going to the Skins...
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You just never know with guys
Hes had great years…and injured years…anyone can get injured
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
we've been adding people
in the draft. To say he is 2-21 on picks might be a bit of an exaggeration. Either way, a GM has to build a team through the draft. That’s the only way to win. You can say he is a bad GM who can’t spot talent and that’s a fair argument, but what else could he do? He’s been drafting LBers.
BBV- Bring Back Van Pelt
Ignoring an obvious hole on the team= mediocrity
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
turnovers, one or two bounces go our way = 12-4
and LBzers didn’t prevent us from that.
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The defense gave up a ton of yardage towards the end of the year
What do you attribute that to?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
KP was not healthy all year and it adds up, Rolle and Webster were banged up
The secondary, actually.
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Our DB's
From the debacle against the Eagles on, our DB’s pretty much folded. Especially against the Packers.
by nicksdafuture on Aug 2, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and it was mostly cuz Fewell decided to play guys off of the line instead of press coverage
maybe it was due to guys not being close to 100%, who knows.
All in all, not the Lbaneezrers.
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Do you have anything more intelligent to say than just manipulating the word linebackers?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
do you have anything more intelligent to complain about then bitching about the LBzers?
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a bunch of average and above average players
exactly what we have now.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
and Mitchell played extremely well
…which led to his nice contract in BUF
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
mitchell got hurt...
Wilkinson came in place of him.. and we all know what we think of Wilkinson now..
Rant
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Definitely
We must have struck a nerve..
by nicksdafuture on Aug 2, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I...want...linebackers??
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
and listed Joseph (who was rookie and will be getting starting time this year) and Jones (because we knew what would happen to him) as wasted picks.
Thats a fail.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Your wrong moshe
JR was driving the car the night chad jones got injured. It’s true, I read it in the police report.
It’s his fault. Do your homework moshe.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Aug 2, 2011 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you’re being insane. JR was certainly not driving the car. Chad was.
Regardless, when he drafted him he didn’t know there would be an accident. Unless you’re saying he planned it, and still drafted him anyway just so he could “waste” a pick.
It was a horrible thing to happen, and it should be left at that. Criticizing a GMs pick because someone he chose got into a car accident afterwards?
Really? Thats low. I hope this was sarcastic, and I failed on picking up at it.
If so I apologize, but if not, just wow.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Really moshe
I didn’t think I had to turn on the sarcasm font for you. ;)
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Aug 3, 2011 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My apologies.
I will shake my head in shame :(
With all the people coming on here lately dre, who knows. These people are crazy. I figured the same person who responded to me was the one with the original post.
Once again, I’m sorry.
Nothing to see here people, move along.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
has been a wild ride here the last few weeks
but then again, isn’t that what we’ve been waiting for?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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tl;dr
but with the super bowl argument-
most players get recognized for being good because they play on a super bowl team, not prior. Hypothetically, if we win the super bowl this year and our linebackers as a unit play well then they’re going to be considered great players.
Your gonna blame jay arruh for chad jones?
Cmon man get a clue.
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by wilddre22 on Aug 2, 2011 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Osi (again, I know, Im sorry)
Does anyone think we are about to see an Osi to SEA for John Carlsen and a draft pick go down? After the Zack Miller signing in SEA, I have to assume Carlsen is gone…not that Id be a fan of this, but, Im just wondering if this is going down…
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions
why would we want Carlson?
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As I said above, Id prefer Boss
…however, it begs the question if SEA is trying this…remember, Boss is a west coast guy…he may have his sights set on OAK now. And, we havent resigned him yet, so, Im guessing his asking price is high and this move wont help it,.
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Boss is good
No doubt about it, but is he slightly less than Zach Miller money good? If the Raiders want him, they can get the price up to that level.
and DJax...he ran it a few times
And, they did sign UDFA Noel Devine…crazy speed on that team.
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Youre technically right,
but, he just decided to leave the team for some reason…
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently he was unhappy with the amount of snaps he was getting in practice
wow.
by Big Blue the Wrecking Crew on Aug 2, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
but I thought everyone just wants to play for the Eagles?
/JimmyK’d.
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the wildcat never worked against the Giants
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Wildcat is a one trick pony
yeah it works once… but when you average it out over a year it works maybe 1 out of every 20 times… trust me, I am in south florida, and when the Miami fans are clamoring for it to end.. you know its over.
This guy is depth, they needed to do it
I’m pretty sure they’re hoping Joseph or Austin live up to their high draft status, this guy can keep the seat warm and fill in if need be. They needed to do it. Without Cofield and most likely Osi our DLine takes a bit of a hit. We need JPP and one of the young DTs to really step up.
how about a 2013 first and carlson for osi
the seahawks probably want to cash in on the QB market for next year… but might be willing to part with a future pick. Does delaying the pick make it worse for the giants really?
The Seahawks are set up nice
IF they get a QB next year. Tarvaris ain’t taking them to the promised land. But they will have a revamped offense for Luck/Barclay/Jones next year.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 2, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
DT Abreyu Franklin signs for one year with the Saints.
Kinda wish that was the thread we were all commenting on now. Not the “who the hell is Gabe Watson thread.”
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
So..uh
Patrick Willis is trending on twitter. People are talking about a trade for Asante Samuel. If that happens, I’m becoming an investigative journalist, to figure out what sort of blackmail Philly has going.
There would be a riot
There cannot really be a front office that is that stupid. The best LB in the game for a CB who’s over 30? No way in hell.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 2, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely
Twitter man, it’s gonna give me a heart attack. If I were San Fran I wouldn’t trade P Willis for 2 1st rounders and asante samuel. He’s the face of the franchise and a hall of famer in his prime.
MAKE IT STOP
@ALLsportsINTEL
Rich Smith
NFL TRADE UPDATE- Source close to situation Reporting that Eagles and 49ers are in negotiations on a trade Asante Samuel for Patrick Willis.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Aug 2, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
This isn’t the year to sign a free agent linebacker.
1. The talent at LB is mediocre at best.
2. You can’t expect a LB to come in this late and learn the play book.
3. Linebacker is the most overrated position on the defense. If you’re not a pass rusher or Ray Lewis you’re not a difference maker.
by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 2, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
awesome
Most of the JR FA and UDFA pick ups have been awesome. Our lines are getting more massive and powerful. On offense theres Baas at 330, Johnson at 350+ and King at 325. D line now has 330 to 340 Linval, Watson goes 330 and Canty is around 320? TE pick up goes close to 270, hope he can run though. We also got Hynoski who just looks like a plow horse. Herzlich could be a great pick up. It starting to get interesting. Let everyone talk about the Eagles, we could be unstoppable this year.
you really think that getting fatter is the way to go?
Also Johnson’s probably not making the team, King likely is a practice squad player and Chris Canty is more like 305. A 270lbs TE would be nice if he’s a backup blocking TE, not a starter.
We need to match speed anyway, not get slower, fatter and ‘powerful’.
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more mass usually means more power
that’s why lineman are continually getting bigger, you want to stay ahead of the curve. Obviously you want the player to be talented and not just big. I like it because I want the gmen to stay true to their identity which is a power running game and great defense. Johnson was highly regarded before the draft because he had surprising quickness for his size but he did end up going in the 5th. Yeah, being cut by two teams isn’t a good sign but maybe 3rd times a charm. If Flaherty can’t fix him who can? I wouldn’t dismiss King so quickly, looking at his combine numbers he had better than average mobility.
the Giants had the best line in the game for a few years
they averaged about 310lbs.
On the other hand the Cowboys line sucked, and average about 330lbs. Weight, like age…doesn’t really matter for the OL.
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Flozell brought that average up a bit :)
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I think he was the smallest
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Of course it does
Let’s see a team field a bunch of 250 pounders on the o-line.
this isn't 1940
and the Giants line is full of 310lbs men. They’re plenty large.
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I'll never understand some fans
They wanted Tulloch but Tenn. fans will tell you that he can’t cover his own shadow. Stud LBs don’t get signed for one-year deals to play for Detroit. Why pay for a lesser Goff 2.0? By lesser I mean that Tulloch isn’t as good as Goff against the run and he’s bad against the pass.
They wanted Franklin and not getting him makes them feel that Reese isn’t doing enough. Of course, he’d start over Linval and Marvin, which defeats the purpose of drafting them. Then we’d hear that Reese drafted poorly because by signing Franklin it proves that he doesn’t have faith in his draft picks to perform well.
They don’t care that there are a lot of young LBs on the team because they doubt that any of these players will step up. They especially want Reese to sign an OLB because Sintim hasn’t shown enough. You can’t show much when you’re on the sideline. But hey, the Giants coaches always give their players an opportunity to play. When Reese bemoaned to the media a few months ago that his draft picks weren’t getting a real shot at playing time, he was just talking nonsense. When Coughlin, Gilbride, and Fewell said in the last few days that they will give various players an opportunity to play this year, it’s not because they weren’t giving these players much of an opportunity before.
That was just coach speak.
By the way, the Eagles gave up the most yards and TDs (or yards and receptions) to RBs and TEs of any team last year. That’s right. There was a LB unit – in our own division, in fact – that played worse than the Giants LBs. Yet somehow the Eagles still won the division and were two Akers FGs from beating the eventual Super Bowl champions. As of yet, they’ve yet to sign anyone in FA to help the unit. They’re going with – wait for it – a bunch of young and unproven draft picks. Silly Andy.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
by GhostDini on Aug 2, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
*two Akers missed FGs
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
well said
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 2, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
well said. rec’d
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Silly Andy
Rings are for kings.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Aug 2, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
shouldnt this thing get greener the more its Rec'd!
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