Getting To Know ... Ben Patrick
by Ed Valentine on Aug 2, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintI started some "getting to know' features recently in regards to undrafted free agents signed by the New York Giants. With the signing of veteran free-agent tight end Ben Patrick on Monday, a player I did not know much about, I figured I would carry that over.
First, the numbers. Patrick is a four-year veteran, having spent all of those years with the Arizona Cardinals, who drafted him in the seventh round in 2007. Patrick, 6-foot-3, 258 pounds, played in 42 regular season games with 20 starts. He has caught 45 passes for 446 yards (9.9-yard average) and four touchdowns. Patrick has also played in five postseason games with two starts and caught five passes for 51 yards, including a leaping one-yard touchdown pass from Kurt Warner between two Pittsburgh defenders in Super Bowl XLIII.
The numbers, to be honest, are not that impressive.The Giants liked what they saw when Patrick worked out for them this week, however.
"He worked out very well for us. He caught the ball well, moved well, he’s in very good shape," said Giants coach Tom Coughlin. "He caught the ball well for us, but obviously in some other offenses that he's been in, that's not the way he was utilized. That's good. We need blockers as well."
Patrick seems like an under-achiever, a guy who hasn't lived up to his tools thus far.
I asked Jess Root of SB Nation's Cardinals website, Revenge Of The Birds, about Patrick. He e-mailed this response: "Had all the tools to be one off best tight ends. Never quite got it together."
I also asked Scott Wright of Draft Countdown about Patrick.
"... just an average blocker, at best, but he is a very good pass catcher. Kind of an H-Back type."
Patrick was expendable in Arizona because the Cardinals drafted tight end Rob Housler in the third round of the 2011 NFL Draft.
Maybe the Giants can unlock Patrick's potential. Maybe they are able to bring back Kevin Boss, Patrick isn't unable to unseat Travis Beckum as a backup tight end and doesn't make the team. The signing, though, creates competition and options. Neither of which is a bad thing.
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Looking at the picture
I’m not the only one hearing this?
When I saw the term H Back
I sharted. That is when you think you will fart and something else accompanies.
No, really, I hope this is not true. Another Beckum that we won’t use?
Which is true, is he a good blocker or not?
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 2, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think
The H Back comment is really accurate.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 2, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm in a situation here!
No breathing when I first saw that!
Classic scene
I sharted. And now let’s go. Classic!
"Patrick seems like an under-achiever, a guy who hasn't lived up to his tools thus far."
good summary….Patrick….. better get to know …the bench
Seems like another Shiancoe
and all this talk about his receiving skills, I heard he was more of a blocker and a good one at that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
sounds like more smoke and mirrors, here
we interviewed snelling so bradshaw would sign…who’s to say this isn’t just taking it a step further so boss will accept his contract? it’s possible, of course, that we sign for potential and see if coughlin can make this guy a player, but at this point, i’m skeptical.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
this
if AB didn’t sign while Snelling was in the building, Snelling would be a Giant right now. Jerry’s not gonna bluff. Especially when he can just cut you before the season w/o paying a dime.
Yawn
Wake me when we make a real move.
by TheGifford on Aug 2, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Meh?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Beckum's replacement
I think they figured out last year that Beckum is not a good backup tight end for the system they run. Patrick is just here for depth at the position.
My prediction: They’ll resign Boss. Hynoski and Bear will battle for the FB job, Hynoski will win. TE’s will be Boss and Bear, Patrick will ride the pine, Beckum will be “waiving” goodbye
except I can't imagine JR. . .
giving up on Beckum yet. But unless they change the offense around a good deal this year, he doesn’t fit, expect as maybe occasional slot depth in a 4 wide set.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I don't think so...
IMO Beckum was drafted because they just had no clue what they had at WR going into the ’09 draft.
Remember: Hixon was the no.1 receiver, SS12 had flashed 3rd down ability, but that was all, ’Rio was right where Barden is now, and Moss was Moss.
Nicks probably would turn out okay, but they knew Barden was going to take more than one year to mature. Beckum was probably the BPA who fit the glaring need at receiver. They knew he wasn’t much of a blocker, but damned if he can’t catch.
I still think they would be remiss to not try their best to find a role for him. He’s got talent, its up to the coaches to put him in position to use it.
He's got good size
With his size, I’m sure if he’s an avg blocker, Flaherty could coach him up. You can teach a guy to block with technique, you can’t teach good hands.
I think this is true but
Why hasn’t Beckum learned? He is strong, check out his combine.
Answer" Does not want to block. Period.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
its like rebounding
you gotta want it
by GMen56-11 on Aug 2, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eh...
I see him as being the 3rd tight end on the Jumbo packages… replacing the “the 69 is reporting as eligible” might work out and beckham goes to a place that can use him better… might not..
only time will tell.
I agree.....
or get someone who will do just as well. “Patrick seems like an under-achiever, a guy who hasn’t lived up to his tools”. Not feeling this dude at all.
so no one likes this guy huh....I got a great idea
let’s give him a cool nickname. I mean it works for Pascoe right….
TeamJPP
Saint?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 2, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
When I first heard - nicknames and Bear - I originally thought of this for Patrick...
But “Gentle Ben” doesn’t exactly invoke fear into the eyes of LBz.
Especially when Giants’ TE’s should be synonymous with this guy:
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 2, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this
Boss had too many drops and has a couple concussions already, BTW Beckum sux
We just re-signed our WR!
His name is Michael Clayton.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
Oh happy day
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 2, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why so negative?
His pass catching is decent and is a very good blocker for a WR.
Not saying I favor him but let’s be fair.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 2, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was hoping for a certain WR who wears #12...
Perhaps the comment, that had a bit of a cliffhanger from the subject, led to the boo.
It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 2, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This ought to become like the Bomar thing
Every time the Giants do something of no consequence with their roster:
“Take that Eagles! Boom!”
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
MikeGarafolo Mike Garafolo
Also, for those who have been asking about FA DTs, I’m told that’s an issue on the front burner for the Giants. Stay tuned. #nyg
TeamJPP
I heard Jacobs refuses to play DT
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Screw that!!!!
Play Joseph and Austin!!! Add some fodder! PLAY these guys!!!!
Slow Day
With how excited the last week has been, today really sucks!
OT, but had to share with everyone, from KSK
"Oh so if he's not Muslim he just gets a pass? That's called profiling mother and I don't do it!" - Sterling Mallory Archer
by Nick Petrilli on Aug 2, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
rec’d…hahah!
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 2, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You've won Charlie!
It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 2, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is good.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Aug 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just vomited
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/plaxico-burress-new-york-jets-bad-news-for-new-york-giants-080111
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
Spoken like a true Jet fan that he is
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 2, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to get annoyed at Cowboys fans
But know Jet’s and Eagle fans get on my nerves, always talking about winning championships and it’s been at least 40 years since either has made a peep. At least Cowboy fans have won.
Memo to random Jet’s sports reporter, Plax & Holmes are very good players, however if Holmes can’t stay away from the Bong and Plax has another brain lapse your season is done. I would rather take my chances with guys who are not one incident from a season long suspension.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We draft good here with the Giants
and don’t need no friggin WRs.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 2, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
amen
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Nope.
Must. Sign. Big. Name. Free. Agents.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 2, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Aug 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this article is all over the place
the title is misleading… he never explains why its bad news for the Giants. He says no one should question if a “34 year-old out of the NFL for 2 years” can get into football shape… because he will. Thanks for wasting 10 mins of my life.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 2, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I did warn you that I vomited lol
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
I went in at my own risk and paid the price…. an article that makes Tiki’s stuff from Yahoo look like jounalistic gold
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Did not realize this:
I went to go see Osi’s actually numbers over the past couple years. Opposing fans (and some of our own fans) remark on Osi’s uselessness and why he shouldn’t get either a new contract or is worth a 1st rounder. Going back to 2005, here are Osi’s numbers:
2005: 14.5 sacks
2006: 6.0 sacks
2007: 13.0 sacks
2009: 7.0 sacks
2010: 11.5 sacks
Note he missed 5 games in 2006. He was benched for 5 games in 2009. Take away those 10 games, and Osi has 52 sacks in 70 games.
Eagles fans keep bleating about Trent Cole getting 52 sacks in 79 games. Only Jared Allen and Julius Peppers have more within that span.
This actually means that if you go by sacks (and FF), Osi is a top 3 pass rusher in the NFL since 2005.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
i dont think i've ever doubted his ability to get to the qb
its everything else that he doesnt do well. I really feel like Osi knows DE’s are only judged by sacks and FF’s so he sells out every single play to get the sack. What he sack-rifices is the ability to play the run and contain/seal the edge.
I agree that he is a top 5 pass rusher. But he is not a top 5 DE. thats the distinction.
yeap
which is why I made sure to say
Osi is a top 3 pass rusher
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
totally agreed with you. just adding the extension that there’s more to the DE position.
absolutely
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
this is an excellent point...
and im not one of those people that say “get rid of this bum, etc., etc….”, I’d love to have Osi back…but how exactly does this fit into the wonderful conversation about Ben Patrick we’ve been having?
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 2, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
ben patrick had 40+ comments about him
he really should take what he can get.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha...
truth…just kidding there…but i figured the earlier thread about osi would have been a more suitable place to make your point…
in any case…just kidding because you’re right….enough about this Ben Patrick guy………….
though he did score a TD in a Super Bowl….must be pretty awesome?!?
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i find noone reads/checks the older forums for new posts
so people tend to just have a rambling conversation in whatever the newest post happens to be.
we discuss ben patrick for more than he’s due and then move on
haha i guess you’re right….but i’m a much more frequent follower of Blueshirt Banter….which was what originally introduced me to SBNation in general….i guess you can say there are way more new stories throughout the day here than I’m used to….however i do usually go back to anything i’ve posted on if there are new comments.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
lol a TD in the superbowl is definitely legit
I did not have this point to make till just now, and I got excited, so Ben patrick had to suffer
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
haha nice…definitely in agreement.
keep osi….if hes lucky and we sign all our other FAs and have a little breathing room he might be able to get the few extra bucks he’s looking for…cuz no doubt he might deserve a little more….prob would have helped his cause from the beginning if he looked at it that way….but nahhhhhhhhhh!
that’d be too reasonable on his part.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 2, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
BBV is a lot more free flowing them some other blogs
I know at In Lou We Trust everything has to fit into the topic exactly.
I prefer the more open commenting style
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Osi plays DE like a 3-4 OLB
whenever we have a LB that backs him up to make up for his average run play, he’s a great asset.
Osi is worth more then a first rounder to the Giants. But I’d assume they’d just accept one all the same.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Its those assholes on the other teams that won't do it.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They are all hoping Osi goes postal and our hand is forced
We are hoping their DE pulls a hammy or something and the #1 sounds like a bargain
It means that a #1 is the right price
I agree
Thats maybe another reason why the “SAM” is behind him in base
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Osi is a top end,
However we are not going to get the value he is worth on the open market. Garafalo had a good idea, re-work Osi’s contract to a one year deal and throw in some incentives his way so he can earn a few more bucks. That way Osi is a UFA next season and is free to go out and get his big money deal and we have him for one more season.
anthony castonzo signed earlier
so prince should be up soon. hopefully today so he can practice tmrw.
seems like Gabe Watson is the one that Garafolo says is on the back burner
tho I’d assume a rack of lamb is also on the back burner for Gabe, he’s massive.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
zach miller signed w/ the raiders
so its boss or nothin at this point. and boss has the seahawks to potentially gain leverage
Source?
I saw a report that reporter said Davis wouldn’t lose Miller but I don’t see where Miller actually signed.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
o ur right... i missread it... its a prediction
Greg Papa, the radio voice of the Raiders, predicts that free agent TE Zach Miller will re-sign Tuesday.
“Al Davis didn’t just give Kamerion Wimbley $29 million to lose Zach Miller to Tom Cable,” explained Papa. Miller’s visit with the Seahawks ended Monday. If he was being lassoed in by Cable and coach Pete Carroll, we would have heard the news by now.
i just read the “will re-sign” not the “predicts” part
I saw they signed Wimbley for $29mil guaranteed, but not Miller just yet
speaking of Wimbley, I heard Osi is running around in circles and slapping newspapers out of people’s hands. He’s in midseason form.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
CB dimittri patterson signed w/ the browns
“take that eagles!”… they’re loosing all their cornerbacks!
Manningham
ManninghamNYG82
Sorry I haven’t tweeted that much tweet fam.On days that I work I work.Gotta stay focused.Gotta bring that trophy back 2 NY where it BELONGS
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
HAM is quickly rising in my list of favorite NYG players
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
+82
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I need some more Giants News
Please Ed help me. It"s been high octane for a week around here now a lull. Well the players had to have a day off from the grueling 3 days of 2 hr practices with no pads on so I must be patient. God forgive me I"m selfish for asking these players to put in a 40 hour work week. I"m sorry for having brught it up.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
Hi Ben.............Bye Ben
This has got to be a joke……Kevin Boss please, where is Darcy Johnson when you need him.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
I heard he's signing with Philly
He’s not but seriously, the Eagles just signed Ronnie Brown. WTF. Do the Eagles not have a salary cap? They have been shelling out $ like mad.
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