Giants Training Camp 2011: 'Kudos & Wet Willies'
The training camp portion of the 2011 New York Giants season is almost complete. Only today and Saturday remain for what is technically training camp. After Monday's preseason game against the Chicago Bears the Giants will have less than three weeks to get ready for the regular-season opener Sept. 11 in Washington against the Redskins.
With that in mind, I thought it was time review the best and worst of training camp. The way we do that, of course, is with our traditional 'Kudos & Wet Willies.' So, let's get right down to business.
Kudos To ...
Henry Hynoski -- The undrafted rookie free agent has had an excellent camp. I will be stunned if he is not part of the final 53-man roster, and my guess is he becomes an integral part of the Giants running game before the season is finished.
Jason Pierre-Paul -- Great camp for JPP, and a great preseason opener. He has also handled his role with the return of Osi Umenyiora quite nicely. He could be headed for a huge year.
Mathias Kiwanuka -- For re-signing with the Giants, and for accepting his move to linebacker with class. Kiwanuka has played there grudgingly in the past, but he seems to really be embracing the move this time. Might have something to do with simply being thrilled to be on the field in any role after last season's neck injury.
Tom Coughlin -- All things considered, with two-a-days being eliminated, no offseason program, the constant roster shuffling, etc., Coughlin has seemed to handle it all pretty well. That is important for this team, since we know flexibility has never been considered TC's strong suit.
David Diehl -- For handling his move from the premier left tackle position inside to guard without complaint. He's a pro, a team guy, and the way Diehl handled the switch is what I would have expected. He did not disappoint.
Ahmad Bradshaw -- For taking less guaranteed money than we all know he wanted, and for doing it without one public word of complaint.
Eli Manning -- Yeah, we all know he isn't as good as Tom Brady. I love the confidence, though. Now all he has to do is back it up with a great year.
Worthy of mention -- Lots of players have had good camps. UDFA linebacker Spencer Paysinger and sixth-round picks Greg Jones (LB) and Tyler Sash (S), among them. Cornerback Brian Witherspoon has impressed. Among the wide receivers, Domenik Hixon, Devin Thomas and Darius Reynaud have separated themselves. On defense, tackle Chris Canty and cornerback Terrell Thomas have stepped up.
There are probably other guys I am forgetting who are worth of 'Kudos.' To be honest, though, I am getting anxious to get to the 'Wet Willies.' So, that is what I am going to do.
Wet Willies To ...
Osi Umenyiora -- For whining away three weeks of camp and getting ... nothing. Osi returned and he was still whining, which really shouldn't come as a surprise. The guy has been whining for three seasons now, if not longer than that. I'm tired of listening to him. The guy makes millions of dollars, and it's just too darn bad that he thinks he is underpaid and the Giants don't respect him. He put his name on the six-year contract, so if he is underpaid that is his own fault.
Steve Smith -- I could really care less that Smith left for the Philadelphia Eagles. That's his business and if he followed the money, so be it, even if it was hypocritical after some of the things he has said about the Eagles and how much he said he loved the Giants. This 'Wet Willie' is for all of Smith's begging on his Facebook page for the forgiveness/understanding of Giants fans. You know what, Steve? A lot of the things that were said by people on your Facebook page were classless and uncalled for, but what did you expect? You made a choice, live with it and don't expect your Giants fan Facebook 'friends' to stay that way.
Ramses Barden and Adam Koets -- The PUP twins. I don't know what the deal is with Barden, but he is frittering away his chance to be a legitimate NFL receiver by standing on the sidelines and not getting on the field. Koets should be the team's backup center, and he can't get on the field, either.
Aaron Ross -- Ross scares me every time he is on the field. Seems like I have been watching the guy in what I call 'trail mode' for years now. That means chasing after guys he was supposed to be covering to try and make tackles after they have run away from him. The camp practices I saw showed the same thing, and Ross got burned badly a few times in coverage against Carolina. The really discouraging part of that was he was on the field in the second half against the Panthers' scrubs and was still getting beat.
Travis Beckum -- Two weeks into camp I would have given the third-year tight end/H back a 'kudos.' Then he came up with a sore hamstring, missed some practice time and the preseason opener, then spent last week messing up assignments and getting screamed at by the usually quiet offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride. Beckum needs to step up -- consistently -- and he is giving off mixed signals on whether or not he can be counted on to do that.
Prince Amukamara -- The team's first-round pick was the final NFL draft pick to sign a contract and get into camp. Then, he broke his foot and will be sidelined for the first few weeks of the season. Not a good start for Prince. Giants fans just have to hope things go uphill from here.
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Good write up.
I think, though, Will Beatty deserves a “Kudos.” He’s been handling JPP a helluva lot better than Jordan Gross could.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
Omission of Will Beatty!
Other then that, it was a great write-up.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
Yes Beatty
He is going to open some eyes this year
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Also love the Steve Smith portion.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
+12
I was watching Jericho play for the Steelers last night and heard the signed him for 1 yr at the Vet Min 880K. If he can play for that and is ready to play from day one I don’t see how the Giants offer of 1 mil for a player coming off micro fracture surgery is that bad. All the Giants talk from Smith he should not have been so insulted by the offer and simply negotiated with the Giants to try and get more.
Good riddence!
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
all great points
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
thats what makes me believe that signing Smith was just as much about sticking it to us
They also could have signed Braylon Edwards for about 3 mil guaranteed.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Smith was all about insurance
if they wanted a WR right now they would’ve signed someone else.
Also there’s the fact that Smith was/is a much better player then Edwards or Cotchery.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Healthy Steve Smith is a beast
However unless Steve recovers like T.O. how much can you really get out of him this year. Almost every guy takes two years to come back to form from serious knee injuries.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
he’s the Eggs 5th WR right now. Jackson, Avant, Cooper and eventually Maclin are the 4 top guys. You don’t sign someone like Edwards or Cotchery (nor do they sign with the Eagles) if they’re gonna be the 5th WR.
When Smith is ready to play and he’s still the 5th guy I’m sure the Eagles would love that since it means no one’s hurt. Its a win-win for them it seems. Worst thing for them is Smith is just stealing $2mil.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
come on
Smith is easily ahead of Avant and Cooper when he is healthy, that shouldnt even be debatable.
I am upset the guy left and how he did it, but lets be realistic here.
You don't know that
The Eagles offense is a big play offense. That’s not Smith’s game.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
He likes watching it though - lol
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I am being realistic
you’re acting like we know that Smith will be as good as he was post surgery. If he was the real steve smith he would still be a Giant.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Braylon is a huge headache
That’s why nobody wants him, not becasue of his play. But I would say with Maclin and Jackson, the Eagles were better off giving Plax 3 mil garunteed than throwing away 2 Mil on a player that they might not get anything from this year.
They defintily wanted to stick it to us though.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs
How bout a little Kudos to Jacobs for restructuring his contract to get his friend and teammate back…and not complaining about it either.
by gmaneb on Aug 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My Man
27 is going to be a beast this year!!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 19, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Osi getting arthroscopic knee surgery today to get it cleaned out.
Out 3-4 weeks.
This came out of nowhere.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
just heard the Osi news
I thought he was cleared to play and? Yeap you sure are a Top 5 DE buddy
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably doing it to piss errybody off. oh well.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this guy kidding me?
What a selfish bastard!!
by NYG86-90-07 on Aug 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Not like we could expect this thing going away
so it ain’t surprising. Its a bit dickish tho
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure the Giants really even care tho
the only one Osi’s hurting is himself. He’s not getting a new contract and no one’s trading for him. And we have a 6"5 spiderman who I’m sure many are becoming increasingly more comfortable with starting at RE.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Osi's agent = Fail
How the heck can you let your client actually demenish his value to all teams in the NFL without explaining to him that he has no leverage and if he wants a raise it’s best to keep quiet and negotiate behind the scenes.
IF JPP keeps going like he is, Osi is not getting a lot of snaps this year and on top of that the Giants have him under contract for another year. How are you going to get that big contract again Osi?
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
well Osi may have been driving the train
demanding his agent take that approach.
Whereas for SS, Mara is all but accusing the agent of not telling Smith about last years multi-year contract offer, and accusing the agent of lying in the negotiations about getting back to them on their offer/chance to match other offers.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
SS's agent did what he was supposed to do
He created a market for a client that is damaged goods and got him 2 mil gaurunteed contract. That’s a hell of a job considering Smith might only play 10 games this season.
Point is SS controls his agent if he really wanted to be a Giant he should have told his agent to go back to the Giants with the offer and see how high they will go.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
agree in part
The one represented should control the agent but not all of them take a hands on approach.
I have a hard time figuring out how SS can say he never got a big long term offer and all the Giants FO saying he did, but “his agent” rejected it.
So, did SS know about the offer or not? No one is asking him, not that I care anymore anyway.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I would think that an agent is obligated to present all offers
How he presents it is a different story.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
they are obligated, ethically
but agents are a very mixed lot with how ethical they are.
The agent’s financial incentive is a percentage of the deal, and some will hide info from the principle if they think the principle might accept a deal the agent thinks he can make better.
That’s especially the case if a player is loyal to a home team and might be inclined to accept an offer that could involve a home town discount.
Mara has all but directly questioned this agent’s ethics and honesty. I have no idea what the truth is, but Mara’s reputation for honesty is pretty well established, and even the players liked working with him in the CBA negotiations.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I'm thinking it's more like this
Hey Steve we just got a multi year offer from the Giants, but it’s ridiculously low, you want me to go over the details or should we just wait till I get something worth your attention.
If a player trusts his agent and got that message, he’s likely going to say, nah let me know if we get a serious offer.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
yeah, very possible
A savvy agent can shape the perceptions and decision of the principle in a way that may or may not reflect the interests and priorities of the principle. . . depending on how involved the principle is.
A lot of people just don’t realize that any agent has incentives and priorities that may not exactly coincide with yours. There are very good reasons to use an agent, obviously, but picking a trustworthy one and double checking their work is still important. Otherwise you can get screwed.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Mr. Mara saw Steve a lot last year
I highly doubt if they were offering him that much money knowbody said anything to Steve from the Giants front office. SS thought he could get more and so did his agent and they wanted to test the FA market. Unfortunatly he got hurt. SS is just spining thing becasue he was shocked at the response he got from his “fans” on FB for signing with the Eagles. He should have just simple said look guys I got to feed the Family and I don’t know how long my playing career will be so I am taking the highest offer and the Eagles gave it to me.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I still am more likely to believe SS and his agent. What do they gain by lying about it? The Giants’ FO looks terrible from it so they can make stuff up to try to make themselves look better. Unless we are saying that him and his agent are lying to not get a rival team’s fans mad at him.
by Midnight Blue on Aug 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
As my Grandfather used to say
The Truth is somewhere in the middle of what the Giants are saying and what SS and his agent are saying. This was a PR nightmare for both sides. Steve was very active in the Giant fan community so he took a huge hit too.
Bottom line is the Giants had to make a business decision about SS and how much they were willing to pay him based on his injury. They gave him a fair offer, SS agent was able to find a better one and they took it.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
The agent probably convinced him that his best offer was going to be from another team than the Giants next year.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
What ever Osi
JPP is breathing down your neck buddy, you can kiss that fat contract from anybody goodbye!
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting scoped is usually just as much elective as it is necessary
if that makes any sense
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I've seen it done in less than 30 minutes
A small job can be really small.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
who?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
More JPP
is probably a good thing at this point.
"I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious" - Eli Manning
by Giants Fly High on Aug 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...more reps in preseason
Osi should be ready just in time for him to cleveland steam Lady Gaga.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
he couldve done this 3-4 weeks ago
but decided not to cuz at the time he was trying to get paid or traded… and having a knee scope isnt good for his value…. not a huge deal with jpp filling in, but he put his interest way ahead of the teams
Exactly
All of a sudden your knee is bothering you without practicing or anything? Osi could’ve had this procedure done weeks or even months ago if it was bothering him, but of course he has to do it on his terms.
"I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious" - Eli Manning
by Giants Fly High on Aug 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont have a problem with a guy trying to get more money
but when it effects your on field performance and availability thats when its gone too far. Osi stepped over the line here.
Right
He wants more money? That’s fine but there is a right way of going about it and a wrong way.
"I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious" - Eli Manning
by Giants Fly High on Aug 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually his actions are a bit
fraudulent and misleading as well.
He probably knew he needed the surgery long before and attempting to get paid big time while rehabbing is shitass
i think osi....
Was holding out on surgery because he wanted to get paid more… Who will give money to someone who has to go under surgery right away. Once he finally realizes he let the issue become public
by S OzZy825 on Aug 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's one possibility
The other is that he is bitter that he does not believe the Giants appreciate (as he said) his willingness to play hurt last year and so, out of spite, any nagging injury he has he will use to take himself off the field.
But if he goes that route his teammates are going to get pretty fed up with him. I’d be on the watch to see how many sympathetic, supportive statements come from his teammates going forward. If there’s a lot of silence, I think that may tell us something.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
not really out of no where...
he has been saying that knee has been bothering him, a lot of people just didnt believe him
I still don't believe him
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer it now to be honest
Means he can’t get injured in a preseason game, and it also means he won’t have to have surgery during the season.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
There was a good article in Newsday today about Anvil Joseph too
Canty and Anvil are gonna have a real good year this year
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The D-Line is gonna have a real good year.
What is the over/under for qbs KO’d this year? I’m going with 6.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 19, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
hopefully we get to play Vince Young
Kiwi owes that idiot a pile driver
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
that he does
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS
Yes he does. Whistle or no whistle!
by ross_stephen on Aug 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say it's at 7 QB's out of the game
2-3 injured for at least the next week..including Vick
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll settle for Mike Pick 6
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Not as good as the eagles though
because
even though the preseason doesn’t count, they still had seven sacks against the Ravens
Let's Go Giants!!!!
all the Eggs fans were pitching tents after that game
and now they’re lining up at the bridge after this one.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Herzlich
Kudos just for competing and holding his own..I hope this kid makes the final 53
And for
coming here in the first place.
He knew it would be tough and accepted a challenge.
I think he gets PS or IR’d
I hope he makes the team, but if not - IR'd
he’ll prob get picked up from PS
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
Team JPP!!!!!!!
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
YEA YOU KNOW ME!!!!!
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Osi to have surgery
out 3-4
I predicted this to my friends about a week ago. WT!%@%#^&???
How is Kenny Phillips doing?
It was reported he came into camp overweight.
"What's Unbelieveable is Believeable Now"
Yeah
He said he feels like his old self, but others are saying he still looks slower than his 09 self.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
he could be playing scared with that injury
at least it appears to be…
not really tackling well, and a bit slow
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
Ed give yourself a Kudo too
We all know you live up near Albany, so we appreciate your sacrifice of making it down here to Jersey to cover camp, even had to stay with an Eagle fan to do it LOL! JimmyK deserves a Kudo too
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
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Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I put up a fanshot on Bleeding Green Nation,giving such kudos to Jimmy K,if any1 wants to go on and express that to him
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos 2
Deon Grant for coming back……. Kudos to Bear Pascoe for doing what is asked of him and doing it well………..Kudos to Perry Fewell just cause.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Prince
I think he would be more of a Kwillie than a Wet Willie. I do not entirely fault his late signing, as it was a product of the new system and the breaking of the foot was an accident. Do we have a prognosis?
I don't get the Wet Willie for Prince
Ok, so he totally outsourced the contract stuff to his agent and his agent waited until the very end after a pick in his range busted up the guaranteed money expectations.
But what, are we saying he broke his toe on purpose?
I don’t get it.
Otherwise, not much to quibble with in the write up. Could mention a player here or there for honorable mentions, but that’s marginal.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Prince and the Wet Willie
I think Prince’s problem is we have all seen the rookie who holds out for a few more bucks, get into camp late and is totally behind and than get’s injured and their rookie season is basically a wash. So it’s more of a stereotype thing.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
but the whole purpose of these kinds of posts
Is to highlight individual performance, or lack thereof.
That’s the opposite of stereotyping, or should be.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Prince is stil better than Aaron Ross,even with a broken foot
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Ross has totally lost his confidence
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
by 'confidence' do you mean 'talent and ability'?
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Ross has the talent and ability we have seen it
Just seems that watching TT take his job took the fight out of him. I think he needs to get his head on right and he will be fine.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen some very bad passes by Eli in camp
He didn’t look good at all in the first game. As far as I’m concerned, he doesn’t deserve a Kudos.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Eli is a weirdo
And goodbye to Ramses Barden,you do not get a roster spot.
Goodbye to Clint Sintim,you were miscast in a 43,JR should have known.A 34 team will pick you up and you will be decent.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Barden and Sintim will be Giants this year
you can probably write it in stone
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Team Barden can prob. practice, but Barden def won't
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
after reading Pat Traina specifically predict Sintim stays. . .
my note last night about going out on a limb and saying Sintim may not make the team. . . well, looks like that limb I went out on is reaaallllly long.
Heh.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I'm still not sure why anyone thinks he won't make the team
He needs to show more when he plays, sure, but its not like he’s not earning a roster spot or anything.
Its Kiwanuka who people should blame for Sintim not starting. For the Giants, that’s a good thing.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I described my thinking in thrad last night. . . though admittedly. . .
even I thought my scenario was a bit of a wild one.
But every once in a while I smell something that sounds unconventional and unlikely, but it pans out. So I shared it with the crew.
But it’s probably not worth revisiting, and I’m not gonna bother to repeat it here. That would be thread pollution at this point.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
No chance they're gone
Michael Eisen said last week that Barden will definitely make the roster. I’d expect Sintim to be the same.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Right now, I think this may be true but a mistake
Sintim, I have not seen anything
Barden, although I was high on him, have not seen much at all.
They will most likely stay because JR cannot admit a mistake.
I give you Sinorice Moss as an example.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What is Moss an example of for JR?
That was ernie Accorsi’s mistake.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless JR is the one who sold him
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Forgot that
but he still did not want to cut him.
JR is stubborn and rigid, just like TC.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 19, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he was good depth
when he actually was on the field he did well. He was cheap too. If he was healthy last year and we had all those injuries I highly doubt he would’ve disappointed.
Some times there are better things to do then hate the injured backup players.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
How isn't he a mistake
He’s a physical freak, not a good football player.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 19, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been hurt
you have no basis to call him not a good football player
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he hasn't missed every single game that the giants have played since 2009
whenever hes been on the field, hes looked slow and out of his depth. Any CB could jam him on the LOS and he’s instantly out of the play.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 20, 2011 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
when he's been on the field
what you just said isn’t true. He’s actually looked quick, fast and beat some decent corners (it was either Jenkins or Newman on the Porks).
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 20, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey real quick,aside
I just posted a fanshot on bleeding green,giving jimmy k. a kudo from us for his hospitality to Ed V if anyone is interested in dropping a +1 on it?
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
F*ck Eisen!
Why should he know and why should those guys have anything written in stone?
They take spots from guys who really have a chance to contribute.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
like who?
Thomas and Clayton, two busts? Reynaud, lol. Cruz?
Barden still may start the season on the PUP…which doesn’t take up a roster spot. It may at some point (they either cut Barden or someone from the roster)
If Barden takes someone’s roster spot in that case, there’s 100% chance that they weren’t contributing.
It makes zero sense to cut Barden. They have an excuse to store him on the side for at least 6 weeks into the season, and no one knows what’s the situation then.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok store him for 6 weeks
Nicks,HAM,Hixon,JJ,Devin Thomas,Cruz..
Ok I want 7 WR,ideally,so whatever.
But absolutely Devin Thomas over Barden.
Clint Sintim,tho may be another matter.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya
hopefully he is what JR thought he drafted and can eventually conttribute.
with the camp schedule like it is going forward in years to come and players hitting FA in 4 years,these raw guys who do nothing but develop can’t have this kind of security.
Hope we keep extra LB’s in his place.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well now we can or at least should in my view count Kiwi as in the DE rotation
and definitely keep Herz,Jones,Tracy,and Paysinger.
Thats with the starters of course.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that makes it better
and I was drawing a blank on Paysinger and Tracy.
I bet that Fuel is salivating at having two roster positions neatly wrapped in one player—KIWI
A bit more fluidity for the defense and team as a whole with that.
Good point.
I think Fewell likes flexibility so much that it gives Herz an advantage, since they’ve been playing him at all 3 LBzez spots.
+1
on that. think about our versatility across the defense. Pretty intense stuff and it allows to keep more developmental types on that active roster to learn.
Think about the QB's trying to read the D.
All those hybrid guys out there and it’s gonna be ridiculously hard based solely on the personnel. “Are those guys CBs, Ss, or LBzez? I can’t tell!”
Can't read the defense
Just TUCK and ROLLE.
Can’t evade the rush, just TUCK and ROLLE.
Don’t want to roll out of the pocket, just TUCK and ROLLE
Thomas never over Barden.
Cruz the same.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I disagree
with your assertion that Thomas is a bust. Good players sign in D.C. as free agents and then stink. That organization is just a mess. Everything I’ve heard about him since he came in late last year has been positive regarding his skill, work ethic, and progress.
not all their draft picks suck, just the sucky ones like Thomas
Orakpo, Landry (when used right) and a few others actually turned out right. Thomas just stunk.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So it's fine to insult SS12
but I’m wagering it’s still not allowed to trash talk the Eagles or Cowboys right?
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I think SS is getting used but he cannot see it
It was insurance for Maclin and a double bonus to stick it to us.
SS will be cut by Eagles next year—watch
only a 1 year deal,anyway.
can we ever accept him if he were to make an overture to us next year?
I’d spend my $ on HAM and extend Nicks asap after that.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we would be foolish not to explore that
Unless someone has a monster season as our slot reciever, SS, Ham and Nicks are a nice trio for recievers.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Much like Plax
we looked because I do think Reese is at the very least to do his just and due diligence.
Whether or not SS would come back though is I think the big question.
I don’t see him doing it.
Obviously if we hit SS over the head with a big ole sack of cash
He has no loyalties and will be back in blue dissing the eagles again
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing is though
we aren’t going to do that.
Fair market value seems to be where JR is at this time in the CBA
Big fat cat contracts are gone for our team and many teams.
The field is leveling off because of that.
I think JR played and is playing hard ball because of some of the deals he is going to need to make and attempting to rectify some of his past moves that weren’t so good. Think Osi, Canty, Rolle
I think it'd be great!
Let Philly pay him to rehab and work his way back. He’ll under perform because it takes a good year to get back to %100. They won’t want to resign him after a subpar performance. Then, he’s back in blue with $3 mil of Philly’s cash in his pocket.
by BleedBigBlue on Aug 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
we have a JJ
no need for a SS
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
If he does well, the Iggles will offer him money
If not, we don’t want him anyway.
A healthy SS12 is excellent but if he does not recover…
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
SS is getting paid
I would take any kind of joke as long as I ended up with 2 mil in my bank account LOL.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Kiwi
I think his new found desire to play LB comes directly from his neck injury. The neck/spine take a much bigger beating when you’re playing on the line coming out of a 3 point. I think he realizes that this move gives him the best shot to stay healthy and still make an impact.
And let's be honest
how much different is it really?
He has to watch for the RB coming out and pass of the TE if is on that side.
Other than that, what?
I mean I boiling it way down but his agility and vision are now a stand up LB, ala LT.
Think about that.
Kiwi had 4 sacks in three games last year—extrapolate that out with a drop off and you’re still looking at 12-15 easily.
Now he gets to stand up and do much of the same thing but react as well and be in more plays.
Well getting jammed in the facemask by a 320 lb. OT,head up would be the difference.
It’s like a stand-up fight in there at the LOS.
Not crazy about seeing him in pass coverage,tho.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Who compares to Boley?
Him and Kiwi are opposites.
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so,but would be very surprised
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 19, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen the opposite
with the caveat that Kiwi has been away from the field a long time and may just need to scrape off the rust.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
he needs to know what everyone else on the D side has to do...
as opposed to him being on the line, he needs to know basically the line schemes and beating the man/men in front of him.
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
he got the neck injury playing LB
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Both times that Kiwi has been injured
he was playing LB. I want him back at DE.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Lets hope u R right
we can’t afford to lose him again especially if Osi is out or complaining.
Getting injured doesn't merit a Wet Willy
I completely agree that someone like Aaron Ross needs to step up, but I can’t fault folks for Prince or Beckum for getting injured. Even Barden — I’d love to see him on the field, but some folks are just naturally injury prone (see Bob Sanders).
by OAK_NYG on Aug 19, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What about a kudos for Justin Tuck???
for stepping up and finally assuming his rightful leadership position as Captain. All along Michael Strahan said Tuck was a leader and this year I believe we’re finally going to see those qualities on and off the field.
As for any of you Eli haters…remember this…last night I watched the annointed King of the QBs, Michael Vick, throw 3 INTs while the “dream team” combined for 5 turnovers and were spanked by the Steelers. I can’t wait to watch Eli lead his team into post season this year…and all the haters eat crow!
GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!
Beckum blows
I knew this going into the season, not shocking to see him getting a wet willie here.
Reese deserves a goddamn wet willie
wet willies
to guys who are injured and can’t get on the field. you act as if these guys don’t want to get better and play football.
this is the kind of perception that gets players catastrophically hurt, they play through the pain and nagging injuries to avoid being labeled “soft, weak, no heart”.
its a shame that these guys can’t get healthy, but i doubt its not through lack of effort.
LOL at the ping pong ad
Now you can play with yourself
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Starting TE
So with Beckum not looking so good who is going to be the starting TE. Is Bear going to get that role or will we still see some odd combination of Bear and Beckum that tips everybody off to play?

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