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New York Giants Notes: Telling It Like It Is Edition

Greetings fellow Giants fans, and welcome to the Friday before your weekend with three weeks to go before the start of the regular season.  Man, it feels good to write that.  Anyway, I'm here to share with you a few articles I came across this morning that I found particularly interesting.  The first is from Athlon sports, and it's painfully accurate when describing the Coughlin-era Giants.....

New York Giants 2011 NFL Team Preview | AthlonSports.com
The Giants are essentially what they’ve been for most of the Coughlin era — a flawed team that can be dangerous if it gets hot at the right time. They have big problems on special teams, some questions in the middle of their defense and lots of potential injury issues on offense. But when the Giants have a full roster and they’re clicking, they’re as explosive as any team in the NFL.

That's just it.  I don't know about you guys, but the last couple of seasons I've been on pins and needles watching this team play, waiting for them to implode but knowing they can just as easily explode for a lot of points.  The bottom line is they are always competitive under TC with a chance to win, and I'll still take that every year. 

Giants' defense must back it up - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN
"We know our offense is kind of struggling right now with some of the departures," cornerback Terrell Thomas said last week. "But we're already saying, if we've got to be the Ravens of '01 when they won the Super Bowl and just have to shut teams out, that's what we're going to do." That's pretty big talk from a defense as inconsistent as the Giants' D has been lately. As good as it looked at times last year, sacking Jay Cutler nine times in the first half in a home game against the Bears, for example, it could also play badly enough to give up 28 points in the fourth quarter to Michael Vick, DeSean Jackson and the Eagles. The Giants' problem on defense the past couple of years has been an inability to consistently be as good as they keep telling us they are.

This pretty much says the same thing the Athlon Sports preview does.

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New York Giants training camp: Team needs more from TE Travis Beckum - NFL - Sporting News
The Giants are asking third-year TE Travis Beckum to take a quantum leap forward this season with the free agency loss of Kevin Boss to the Raiders. Beckum was drafted because of his pass-catching ability and was supposed to develop into an H-back able to get downfield and work out of the slot as a dangerous receiver. He has been slow to come around, hampered by nagging injuries and an inability to pick up the complexities of the offense, but he does have physical tools.

I know many of you BBVers feel this way, too.  So do many folks around here in Madison, especially when you see a framed photo of Beckum in Badgers' gear at Trader Joe's--I kid you not. 

While the Yankees remain a huge New York story, it's the NFL that is really making this city buzz
Football feels bigger around here than baseball, and not just because Rex Ryan is so big these days, in all ways, even making a big throw of his headset because of too many men on the field in the first preseason game.

Another interesting piece that brings up an compelling argument, one that might be better left for a separate post--are the Giants bigger than the Yankees in the tri-state area?

New York Giants: Greg Jones catches Tom Coughlin's eye - NFL - Sporting News
Competition for final roster spots at linebacker will be hot and heavy, with several youngsters in the mix. One rookie helping himself is Greg Jones, a sixth-round draft pick from Michigan State. Jones (6-foot, 242) was a playmaker at MLB for the Spartans but was deemed a bit too small to be much of an impact player in the NFL. So far, the Giants like the way Jones pursues and flows to the ball. He drew favorable reviews from Tom Coughlin after his preseason debut and has also been active on special teams, which will ultimately be his ticket to a spot on the roster.

Yeah, um.  Yeah

Chicago Bears' Jay Cutler hopes to avoid another New York Giants' beatdown - ESPN Chicago
Sacked on nearly 50 percent of his dropbacks in last year's game, Cutler didn't appear to be overly concerned Tuesday about facing a Giants defense that churned out a grand total of 10 sacks in that Oct. 3 outing, which ranks as the most in one game by a Bears opponent since the statistic became official 29 years ago.

Looking back on this game feels good--it was one of the positive turning points of the 2010 season; when the Giants nearly forced a fourth-string emergency quarterback into action. 

Have a great weekend, everyone.  I'm already thinking about the barbecued ribs I'm going to make for my Grub for Guys column, and my mouth is watering.  It must be football season. 

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Greg JOnes

The type of blue collar, non-star, yet gets the job done. He’s definitely gonna be a fan favorite.

I hate the Jets and Justin Bieber with a passion.

by espnsucks on Aug 19, 2011 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

+1000000000

Agreed. Jones and the other youngins will be beastly. Also lookin for Sash to have a good year.

by kadensdad on Aug 19, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Giants will be just fine

We will beat the Redskins and the Rams…the real test comes in week 3…

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

by wangstu13 on Aug 19, 2011 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully

They still won’t have gelled by that time.

I hate the Jets and Justin Bieber with a passion.

by espnsucks on Aug 19, 2011 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't take the LOLskins as an automatic win anymore

they’re 1’s have looked quite good so far. Shanahan knows how to expose our weaknesses as well.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 19, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that TT's statements were that off.

I don’t think that we have a shut-out-every-game-defense and our present defense is far from the defense that the ravens had in 00 (at for the moment).

However, our defense has been on the field far longer than our offense has during most past games and has managed to keep our teams in games by playing QB smothering, turnover producing defensive football.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 19, 2011 8:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.

by nywins42 on Aug 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

could be like the 1997 Giants

Great young Defense the bailed out the offense (but I think this offense is 12 times better then the one in 97)

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eli Manning > Danny Kannel

Nicks and Manningham > Calloway and I really don’t know

by Landeta on Aug 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't know who the #2 WR was

Toomer was at best the 3 back then

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

also

Hilliard was there… his first season

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

No McCaffery was long gone

remember he was on the 97 Broncos that won the SB

Dan Reeves cut McCaffery in 93 or 94 for Mark Jackson. Ed went to SF and won the 94-95 SB with them as a backup then Shanahan left SF as the OC and went to Denver to be the head coach and took McCaffery with him.

by Landeta on Aug 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not we used to throw to our backs a lot more back than

I would say our No. 2 guy was Tiki, and they threw to Charlse show me the Way too.

by Late for Dinner on Aug 19, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Way

loved him. Tyrone Wheatley was used alot to

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Loved Way

He was the man a decent runner and excellent hands out of the backfield. He works for the Giants FO now.

by Landeta on Aug 19, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was Calloway and nobody

I have a lot of respect for Calloway, because he had no help in those days.

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Aug 19, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

the onside kick still pisses me off

but he was good for the team with little WR help

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a perfect bounce

So I forgive that. I blame the defense more. Bad luck the most. But the Vikes had good WRs too.

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Aug 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeap

Amani didn’t become a WR starter till 1998

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and for the record...

I think athlonsports.com is dead-on in thier assessment of the TC-era.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 19, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah no crap

That sums up the TC era. His teams in JAX were like that as well. Sometimes were a jugernout but others they seemed soft. I think thats why its fustrating rooting for them. You would think we’d have more continued success like Pitt or NE with deep playoff runs but no.

I normally don’t like those preseason preveiws but those summed up the Giants to a tee.

by Landeta on Aug 19, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and for the record...

I think athlonsports.com is dead-on in thier assessment of the TC-era.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 19, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well, Vick and the Eagles D got taken apart in PITT last night ...

so I think some of the “break up the Eagles” talk out there is definitely a bit premature.

And all the predictable potential problems were evident for them – LB’s and OL. Teams are gonna just run on Philly until they prove they can stop it. Don’t know if Nnamdi can tackle for run support, but we know Samuel likes to opt for the Deion “business decision”.

by Shofner85 on Aug 19, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Meh

Preseason, take it with a grain of salt.

by Troy Aikman Sucks on Aug 19, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cromartie

is also one to shy away from contact on running plays. The Eagles base defense has 3 linebackers and 2 safeties with a total of 6 years experience between them. Three of those 5 are 7th round picks and their middle linebacker is casey matthews who is very undersized. Their one high draft pick in that bunch, Nate Allen, looked completely lost against the Steelers. Factor in an inexperienced D-coordinator who has been an O-line coach for his whole career and you have to think this group has plenty of vulnerabilities.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Aug 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

they looked awful

on all fronts

No pass rush, blown coverages, Vick was lost when they rushed him from the right so he couldn’t roll out, LB’s got shoved all over the place…

You down wit JPP?

by Flynner on Aug 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, rush from Vick's throwing side?

Where have I heard that before?

The blueprint is out there thanks to the Bears and then Giants. Every D the iggles face is studying it.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 19, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Perry showed the league how to beat him, and then our players screwed the pooch.

But yeah, I think the cat is out of the bag on how to beat this punk

You down wit JPP?

by Flynner on Aug 19, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

unrelated issue...

On the home page of BBV, Smith and Boss are still listed under player websites and Twitter account…

It’s probably safe to remove them now…

Go Big Blue!

by phredrik on Aug 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

One day when I was sitting on the john thinking about life

I thought about the idea Steve Smith acting as a spy for the Giants. He and the Giants know he won’t play much this year, so he signed a 1 year deal with the Eagles. On the Eagles, he’s going to try to destroy team chemistry and provide inside info which he will report back to the Giants. And next year, he’s going to rejoin the Giants. The wonders of what constipation can do to one’s imagination.

by Troy Aikman Sucks on Aug 19, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

keep dreamin

and don’t push too hard…

Go Big Blue!

by phredrik on Aug 19, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah - I justed "unfollowed" Boss on Twitter the other day.

I love Boss and was sad to see him go – good guy – but he was actually a really annoying tweeter so I won’t miss that. I actually unfollowed him and added him back once or twice when he was still a Giant.

by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 19, 2011 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I will miss Boss more

SS made it kinda easy to let him go with all the comments he made, at least after the initial shock… I thought that guy would be a Giant forever.

Go Big Blue!

by phredrik on Aug 19, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

"lots of potential injury issues on offense"

What the heck does that mean? Doesn’t everyone have the same problem – “potential injury issues”?

Plus, they got rid of the “injury issues” on offense. That line makes no sense to me.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

"I've been on pins and needles watching this team play, waiting for them to implode but knowing they can just as easily explode for a lot of points"

Thats dead on Mike.
Best example of that is the first Cowboy game last year…. they turn the ball over twice, give up quick scores then a punt return TD. Then Boom! Eli goes nuts on the Dallas D. Then at the end, they looked like they were trying to give the game away.
The Seahawk and Texan games were the ones I was thrilled the whole time… the others were waiting games.

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Jax last year

I saw three different teams that day.

Jacksonville, The 1st half Giants, and the team that won the 2nd half Giants.

You down wit JPP?

by Flynner on Aug 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

good call

its like in the 4th quarter the team decided “hey, we need to start playing now”

Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if Giants are bigger than Yankees BUT

with all of the Yankees success it’s easy to take it for granted. You know they’ll be in the playoffs and usually by the end of July that is apparent. I mean you can’t even evaluate the Yankees until the post season they’re so much better than the rest of the competition. If they win it all then great if they lose it always obvious why, lack of pitching usually so they go buy pitchers in the offseasn. The NFL and the Giants are week to week so its a lot more compelling.

The Giants have won it all, are always competative, have likeable and recognizable stars like Eli and Tuck. A coach who is a lighting Rod becasue the media hates him, he’s always on the hot seat. They had the 07 run the Plax incident, Strhahn and TIki in the media running their moutths so they are intersting even though I don’t think they want to be. I mean the Giants have always been big in NYC along with the Yanks and Knicks (when they’re good) but over the past 10 years the NFL has exloaded in popularity especailly with younger fans so yeah football has gained on baseball in NYC hence the popularity of the football Giants.

Throw in the fact the Jets have a pretty boy QB, a loudmouth lightnining rod of a coach, a superstar in Revis, on field success and an owner that operates in the mold of the more modern type owners like J. Jones and Synder and yea football is a hell of a lot more compelling than baseball in NYC. WIth baseball you know what your getting with football you never know.

by Landeta on Aug 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

The yanks are bigger

and there are a lot of reasons. They’ve been winning since the 20’s, they have tons of fair weather fans, The Mets have far less team history, The yanks are basically the face of American baseball around the world, baseball in general was THE sport before football even got TV coverage (it’s not now), football has more parity so the fair weather fans jump around more, TWO teams, the Jets and the Bills (kinda), take away some NY fans…

But I think since the Coughlin/Eli era started the Giants have closed that gap every year. Lots of reasons there too. The NFL gets better every year, SB42, Eli is very good, Eli wears “Manning” on his jersey, we compete every year, the decline of the home run, MetLife (ugh) Stadium…

I get way more excited for football than baseball, enough to watch a regular season giants game instead of certain yankee playoff games, so for me Big Blue is the bigger blue.

The Giants will probabaly move to LA because they suck so bad

by Jaybat on Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

??? Whom are these "Yankees" of which you speak???

    I think I’ve heard of them once or twice, but I’m not totally sure they exist. Could be like sea monsters and the like.

by Cranky50 on Aug 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

athlon nailed it.

potential is there to be great. Which is what has made this team so frustrating.

by kiemurphy on Aug 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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