New York Giants Notes: Mara Talks About Losses Of Smith, Boss
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2011 8:36 AM EDT
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Giants CEO John Mara defends organization on Steve Smith, Kevin Boss departures | NJ.com
Mara said there was a new offer on the table for several weeks before Smith signed with the Eagles. The team would have liked the opportunity to counter, although even Mara conceded the Giants were not prepared to match the $2.281 million for one season that Smith received.
Boss signed a four-year, $16 million contract with Oakland, which Mara indicated was nearly twice as much guaranteed money as the Giants offered. Mara said Boss’ agent agreed to a deal with the Giants pending Boss’ approval.
"Kevin was actually on a plane to the East Coast and while he was on the plane hit the lottery," Mara said. "They were the only team in the league that was going to pay more than we were, and doubled the guaranteed the money."
Mara, incidentally, made his remarks while speaking with Mike Francesa on WFAN. Francesa conducted a plethora of interviews while broadcasting from the Timex Performance Center Wednesday. Links to the podcasts of each interview can be found at SB Nation New York. If, of course, you are inclined to spend some time listening.
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"He's been very impressive," Coughlin said. "He's been all around. He's been very good with special teams. He's been good with coverage opportunities. He's been athletic in all the drills."
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"He's the kicker of record for the game on Monday night, thank you very much," Coughlin said.
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Wednesday's practice report from Mike Garafolo. Not a good day for third-year tight end Travis Beckum.
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Smith and Boss....
There gone…deal with it and get over it. Smith is just one injury away from being sidelined for the season again and Boss was not all that. I remember some key drops Boss had last season. I also remember when Shockey was on the team know one ever heard of Boss while he sat on the bench. We have some great talent and need to get these kids on the field so they can progress.
by Hounddawgn on Aug 18, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Say what you want about Boss.
He made a critical catch in the SB when the team needed it and he wasn’t afraid to take a hit for the sake of catching a pass that we really needed. I’m suprised that the Raiders were the only team willng to give him more money though. Also, I hope the Beckum has half the heart that Boss has and can get his assignments down.
Sreeeeeeeech "WE ARE!!!" (Checking cellphone) Got it.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 18, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
We’re starting to get a little too defensive on losing our free agents. Boss was a good blocker and made a lot of important catches for us. Did he drop some? Yes. But he made most of the important ones, including a lot of big ones at the beginning of last season. Remember us grimacing at the hits he took to make the plays?
If a Raiders fan came on here for the past week looking for Boss information, they would think they signed one of the worst TEs in the NFL. It’s time to stop trashing Smith and Boss.
I, for one, would have given Smith the $2 million, even if he spent the whole season on the sidelines. That’s not a lot of money when you look at what the league minimums are. You keep a good player. Also, when he was RFA’d before the CBA expired, his RFA salary would have been around $2.2 million. So we were willing to pay him in December. And we had to know his injury timeline then based upon KP.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
by ct17 on Aug 18, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Mara meant it like that...
I think they genuinely wanted to keep Boss and I think they valued him pretty damn high (just as high or higher than 30 other teams)….
of course Al D. brings that “crazy sob” factor to the table and just went above and beyond everyone….priced him out.
TeamJPP
Yea, I def. blame Al Davis for being crazy on that one.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy like a fox
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
As soon as the Raiders lost their Tight End
I knew the Raiders were going to come after Boss, Al Davis always overpays, he did it to us after the SB win when he gave Gabril Wilson that stupid contract.
Wish the Giants had been a little bit more urgent on geting Boss back, before Zach Miller signed with the Seahawks.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, KG does not like Beckum
Now there is news you can use.
I, unlike most here, have not been a fan of Beckum. He did not show me much last year when he had some chances.
I have no idea how this will turn out but maybe Bear to start, Beckum and Coats to back up. Coats seems to be outdoing Ballard in terms of blocking right now.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 18, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
What?
Coaches yell at players when they screw up. Has nothing to do with like or dislike, it has to do with getting the best out of guys. Incidentally, Gilbride rarely yells at anybody. The Giants need Beckum, and KG knows it. He is getting Beckum’s attention — that’s called coaching.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
the Giants might be waiting to see what TE’s get cut by other teams
Reese always looks late
That’s when they come cheap. That’s how we got Bulluck.
Beckum has not been given many opportunities to use his natural skill set. His first few catches in the NFL, I give him great credit for, since Eli put them several feet over his head.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Yeah, I got yelled at all the time by my coaches
And they still liked me. I think.
Usually at the Pro level, however, if you are not getting yelled at by the coaches you should be worried. That’s usually means you are not in their plans.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
What I meant was
that is was no surprise.
Yes, it is coaching to get on players, TC needs to do it.
But I think KG has a bias, somehow he does not like Beckum. I have no opinion, don’t know the guy.
How else can you explain his not using him? As much as we kid, KG knows that the TE is an eligible receiver. Becks cannot block but why was he not targeted during obvious passing downs?
Push him all you want, I am with that. But I do think there is a bias. On the other hand, I am not sanguine that Becks will make the grade.
Hope I am wrong, we need it.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 18, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Becks cannot block but why was he not targeted during obvious passing downs?
If he was on the field then thats on Eli.
But I think KG has a bias, somehow he does not like Beckum
I dont know but this is far from good news.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
Gilbride's just mad that he has to add new things to the playbook
he can’t just dust off the same crap from the run and shoot Oilers.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 18, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I see thinking = frustration. :)
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
Huh
He didnt like what he did, doesnt mean he doenst like him.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
I have my doubts about Beckum too
However Killdrive yelling at Beckum is a good thing, that means he cares. When Killdrive does not yell at him that’s when you know he has given up on Beckum.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Back problems
Sreeeeeeeech "WE ARE!!!" (Checking cellphone) Got it.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 18, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that was stupid of me
but he was only in for one day and I had the outta sight, outta mind thing going on.
easy there
find some wood to knock on
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 18, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
we are not out of the preseason yet
still aways to go
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
i find it strange Smith didn't come back
With giving the giants time to counter. It’s not like he was itching to get into camp and condition. Oh well tho. The main reason i liked him was because he came out of the woodward shining. And made me feel proud to mention his “no name” to friends who later began to realize who i was talking about. Especially in his games against dallas
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 9:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
We must have really lowballed him
Which makes me scratch my head, because we had no problems paying Moss to not play the last several years.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
probably did...
due to the extent of his injury…and they have to keep in mind the cap for next years group of free agents. I think it was a pure business deal.
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 18, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
1 year offer
it would of been a 1 year offer, just like the eagles gave him, so it would not of effected the cap for the next years group
they did not low ball Smith.....
they offered to make Smith one of the highest paid WR’s last year, and he turned it down. And they gave him an offer this year, and would of probably considering making a counter offer to him after the eagles offer, if he gave them a chance, he did not.
I'm wondering
The reason they may not have given him a good offer is that they did not expect to keep him next year anyway.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Think about it next year Ham comes up for a new contract
SS12 most likely has a sub par season becasue he is coming back from micro fracture surgery, so we either keep SS12 based on what he did in 09 or sign Ham based on what he did last season. SS12 was probably gone next year anyway, and if he turned down the contract Mr. Mara says he did because he wanted to test the Free Agent Market, he probably would have been gone had he not got hurt.
Steve should have been honest with people and stop with the Giants didn’t want me crap and just say I have to feed my family and you never know when your last down will happen.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't know..
I don’t think the giants would have made him one of the highest paid. A nice size contract yea..but i don’t blame smith for turning that down. Especially after having the pro bowl season at such a young point in his career.
In hindsight though, i’m cautiously optimistic on our young wr group. If eli didn’t have those “wild pitches” even after smith’s injury. Our passing game was still legit.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
semsemma.....
did you read the Mara interview (its a good read, you should try it), he said they made Smith an offer last season before he got hurt that would of made him one of the highest paid WR’s in the league, Smith turned it down.
True dat...
but he still wanted to test the market…shoulda took the deal then
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 18, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
nah. didn't read it yet.
So i guess i’m wrong in what i said. B-)
I guess he really liked the eggs then?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe they did,maybe they didn't...
bottom line is that these guy want to test the market and get the most money that they can PERIOD.
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 18, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
can't blame anyone for Boss leaving
it seems he was a Giant before Undead Idiot sold off a virgin for some extra mills. And Smith’s situation is just weird. They had an offer out to him and he just said nothing back for weeks. Then all of a sudden he comes here, takes a physical and signs with the Eggfarts.
And I wish someone would yell at Gilbride. Tell him that infants in Somalia know that when you’re third and short, with Jacobs and an unbalanced line in there, you’re running to that side.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yup but
Most of the people in the NFL know what the other teams intentions are after a while…..its all execution not play calling alot of the time… Can you stop it is the key.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
its about deception
Gilbride will run a great screen pass in week one then we won’t see it until week 10. But he’s got no problem trotting out an OL to the TE spot and then trying to run it on 3rd and short time in and time out. How’s a bout running a play action? Its not like anyone doesn’t know you’re running.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Can't make a living in the NFL
fooling the opposition, at least, that’s what Conan says.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
by The Pale Scot on Aug 18, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on Francesca's interview with Mara yesterday. The rest of the SB committee...
Isn’t wasting time getting the region ready. Should be a nice event. Hey Ed, are you planning some type of BBV related festivities to coincide with this event?
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 18, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions
I'm not sure if it's fair to call Becks a "third year TE"
yes, i’m aware that he’s in his third year…but for two of those years Killdrive called him an Hback.
I’m just saying…
TeamJPP
everything i'm reading...
sounds like KG is using him as a glorified slot WR
which begs the quesiton….why not use a WR?!?
TeamJPP
hopefully he gets used like a dallas clark type TE
instead of a traditional TE or 3rd WR which gilbride seems adamant about using him as one
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 18, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you will see a lot of Dallas Clark from Beckum
On passing plays, if he’s lined up on the line at TE, you’ll probably see him chip block, then go out for a pass. In a spread formation, which they hardly ever run, you’ll see him in the slot as a WR. He’s not a good enough blocker to keep in to block on a pass play, much like Clark, so you’ll see the chip then him go out for a pass.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Matchups
Putting him in the slot gets him a matchup on a corner, which he should win that matchup everytime.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If you run the right routes
Last year they kept splitting him out wide. And ran out routes. It was a waste. The CB is faster, and unless real short can leap higher. The only advantage is if you can let him be physical going up for the ball, or use his body to block out the defender.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Idk, Beckum is 6'3"
not many DBs are going to beat him on a jump ball. That’s what I was tal;king about with the matchup. The corner will be faster, but Beckum can use his size and strength to out muscle the corner and get in position where he’s the only one that will make the catch.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
height isn't the entire case tho, many short guys make up for height with a usually stronger vertical or running jump than heavier players. *most* some te's just have hops!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My fault for the “all title” post.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because we are a running team
In middle school, one of my friends, one of the tallest on the team (with not much bulk) was made a WR. Not to catch the ball. To beat the crap out of the CB.
If Beckum is not as good of a blocker, you put him off the line, let him get a running start at the DE or LB.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
The right way to use Beckum
Split him out. If a CB covers him, you run the ball. If a LB covers him, you throw him the ball.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Matchups are better
and Beckum is a glorified WR
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
as long as they throw the ball to him, who cares
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yeah that's what i thought too
KG gotta find a way to put him on the end of the line….and get him out there w/ LBs
that slot stuff…too predictable.
chip and go…that’s what becks gotta do.
TeamJPP
opportunities are always there....
Becks just has to take it, you has to earn his way into the field, how many times did the Giants try to cut or send Bear to the practice squad? The guy just did what he had to do to stay on the roster. Becks should of and should be working on his blocking.
they cut him (bear) once...
and successfully got him on the PS b/c no one else wanted him on their 53 man roster.
he wouldn’t have been called up if Boss never got hit and got a concussion….
TeamJPP
he is not the best player...
but he made the coaches put him on the field and now he is the potential starter for two different positions. He made his opportunity, Becks in my opinion is expecting the job to be giving to him. He should of bulked up and learned to block when he came to the NFL.
he's a body plain and simple
and this idea that Beckum and Pascoe are the same “position player”….
it’s totally wrong.
if we’re putting them in the same category it’s a mistake….
TeamJPP
I was just comparing....
how they used their opportunities, not as players. I guess Im just not on board with the conspiracy theory that Gilbride doesnt like Becks and is holding back his talent, or not using him correctly. The fact is, the Giants are going to build their offense around him, they cant put him on the line because he doesnt block, he is a glorfied WR. And there way too many better weapons on the team then Becks.
it's not about KG not "liking" him
i’m sure they get along just fine.
what i’m saying is, KG has zero clue how to use the kid.
like u said…he’s a glorified WR and KG used him as such for two years. and now he’s the starting TE.
it’s scary!
TeamJPP
if he wants to be a starter, it has to be at TE
I dont think he will be, I think they give it to Bear, or sign someone that gets cut. And the continue to use Becks like they have been
ur a smart dude
I said that the other day….he’s not a “starting TE” in KG’s offense.
his impact should come as a weak side TE….as the 2nd TE. Not the “point of attack” TE.
that’s why IMO he complimented Boss well….b/c Boss still keeps your defense honest b/c he can still catch….but for all intents and purposes….he was our blocking TE. (truth is, he still wasn’t used that way)
whoever our “blocking TE” is….gotta do the same. Keep the Defenses honest!
TeamJPP
with Mara stating...
that they thought they would have Boss back, it makes me think they never intended to start the season with Becks/Bear as our starting TE, and they will look to add someone
we shall see
i think they’re holding out hope for Ballard
or possibly even this coats fella.
I love Bear’s heart…i just think he’s a backup….
TeamJPP
I agree Bear is a backup...
we also have to remember they did sign Ben Patrick too……before he retired
and Ballard is one big dude
but if no TE worth signing gets released...
I think the Giants are content on going with what they have
for two years KG basically said this...
now he’s our “starting TE”.
how can you blame Becks when he wasn’t even “groomed” as a TE….
TeamJPP
Fact Smith and Boss aren't on the team
I’m more concerned with guys like Pascoe, Beckum, Coats, Ballard, Cruz, Jernigan, Thomas, Hixon ya know guys actually out there with there chin straps on wearing blue
Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?
by colinlovestheknicks on Aug 18, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
They were talking about putting Manningham in the slot yesterday
and putting Hixon on the outside with Nicks. “Hixon is not a slot guy.” Mike F.
These are our 123/xyz guys. Hope we look a little crisper Monday night and this team will be ready for game one.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 18, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
how i look at it is:
Ham is better at outside than hixon is. But is also less bad at inside than hixon is. So put the best overall lineup on the field as possible.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Hixon running slants.
Wherever Mario can get room to do his dance and burst is where I want him…he is going to make some lbs look silly this year if he is in the slot. I expect to see a lot of motion with Becks running crossing routes and hooks.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 18, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Boss and Smith are gone
Did I want to lose the? NO
Is this a major impact to the team? NO
It’s just not worth re-hashing every day. Now let’s get back to planning who gets a blimp ride.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
If Beckum does not step up
The loss of Boss is going to be huge, Hope Bear can pick up the slack blocking wise.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Boss was a good player not a great one
The TE in the Giants offense isn’t a focal point
Huge is a big overstatement
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
i agree.
If we didn’t have any blocking tight ends than the boss loss is huge. But in the passing game it won’t be too big a deal. But we all know how much help it is to have a passing threat at the te position.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Never said Boss was a great TE
However we just didn’t seem to have a back up plan for losing him and that worries me. I agree with you though Boss is replaceable.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Certainy his loss was unexpected, and there isn't a logical successor that is obvious
But I can’t get worked up about it. I’m happy they signed AB and Kiwi, I thought they were the best most impactful guys of our FAs. To me this is what happens on the best teams, you let the mid level guys go and allow the young guys to fill in.
Someone mentioned cuts, and that makes sense too. If Seattle cuts Carlson, he could pick up the slack, and it’s said the Cowboys are fed up with Bennett.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
They're making a ton of smart decisions
Both football wise and Fiscally. Mara also mentioned how crushing it is on a franchise when you restructure a bunch of contracts in the same year. You end up really paying for it later. I feel like as fans, we’re in good hands. Every year we feel like a chance to win the SB and as much as we complain, it really could be a lot worse. There are a ton of teams that know no matter what happens, they have no shot of doing anything this year or next.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I feel bad for Carson Palmer.
Before injuries he was an elite quarterback. He never complained about cincy’s awful management, and now their owner refuses to play him, or trade him, and a pro bowl quarterback( given he was on a decent team) is going to rot on the bench, or worse, retire way before he should. What a shitful way to run an organization, Brown is incompetent to say the least. Palmer deserves a hell of a lot better. I’d love to see him go to San Francisco, that team has some talent, I think he could lead them to the playoffs.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Would make a HUGE difference in MIA as well.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 18, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
very true.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Al Davis' Commitment to excellence.
Signing boss over Zach miller.
I hate the Jets with a passion.
by espnsucks on Aug 18, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Boss is better
All around to me.
I also think he had all intentions of re signing Miller but Miller wanted to go.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Miller got huge money
the Raiders were pretty far over the cap, so they couldn’t match. Boss got good money but did not break the bank. So he overpayed Boss to make sure he had a good TE
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
anybody got any numbers
that speak to how often Eli targeted his TE’s last year?
I’d like to get an idea of how much it would impact the passing offense if we don’t get a reliable option out of that position. My best guess is not that much.
You down wit JPP?
apparently Eli can make any reciever awesome
so it really doesn’t matter who plays tight end. Right?… RIGHT??
not sayin that
just don’t think the TE position is overly important in Gilbride’s passing scheme.
You down wit JPP?
Agree with the Killdrive
reference and unfortunately he does not adapt and change and that is a huge issue
They are not
because they are so overly important to his running schemes.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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are they that important
or were they used to compensate for the lack of a healthy FB? When they had Hedgecock rolling it seems the run game lived and died on him getting some extra space for our backs.
The TE is important, and they will have to stand up a second level guy in any good running game, but having a good full back to eat up the first attacker should offset any loss we had with Boss leaving the team.
All hopeful thinking of course.
You down wit JPP?
Just take Boss catches and add his drops
and that should give you a fair estimate
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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You cant factor in any of Bekums catches last year as TE targets
cause he was only on the field when Boss was in at the TE spot……Beckum moved around.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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I found he got about 71 targets
not sure how that stacks up to the rest of the league. And considering his 35 catches, its not very good.
I’d say that number is either gonna go up, or that it’ll be more efficient with Beckum. I think he’ll get open more and Eli won’t feel that he can throw the ball as high.
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Well you cant say 35 is not good
we would have to watch and judge Eli’s throws and whether they were deemed catchable to be honest.
Boss did have a sub par year catchhing the ball by his standards tho.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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yes..yes you can.
50% of your targets is not good. And Boss dropped a ton.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 18, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
how much of that is on boss compared to eli?
i guess you can compare his 50% to eli’s 63% (or whatever it is) completion percentage and say that he was below the giants “average”. Which is to say the giants were better when throwing to their other receivers.
Which is to say the giants were better when throwing to their other receivers.
which is my point of the day.
Boss simply was not that important to the passing game, and there are plenty of options to fill the blocking holes.
You down wit JPP?
I still think it'll go up without Boss
they saw him more as a blocker then a receiver. If Beckum’s there they’ll be forced to switch that up.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 18, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea he wont be the Traditonal TE at all....................Coach POPE
Q: Can Travis Beckum play tight end the way you would like?
A: He’s disadvantaged because he weighs about 235 pounds. Most all of the guys that he’s going to block at that position – his effort is going to be there, he’s going to try, but the laws of science come into play. The bigger mass generally over the period of a three-hour game is going to win. He would wear down. It isn’t our plan to use him like that on a regular basis like we might use a regular tight end. We will have to involve him there. We can’t put a flag up that every time he runs in the game it’s going to be a pass. He’s done that for us. He did that last year for us. He blocked probably a little bit more from a space position which is where he played in college. His size – there’s wide receivers in this game almost his size. We have to be smart in the way that we employ him. We can’t ask him to do things that he can’t physically do. He can try as hard as he can, but if he’s getting overpowered by a much bigger man, then we’ll try as best we can to keep him out of those situations
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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LOL, appreciate the insight
but that said absolutely nothing we all didn’t already know.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i didnt say it did
and we all say what we all already know around here lol but ok
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
I wasn't bashing it.
It was a solid Q and A, just pretty much everyone here at one point or another has agreed they won’t use him just as a traditional TE, they’ll move him around, and when he is lined up at TE, they’ll run the ball to keep the defense on it’s toes. Good find though.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
oh for sure
I know, just sometimes instead of us saying it, its good to hear it from the horses mouth but i feel you.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Agreed.
It does at least validate and reassure what we were all thinking and saying.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
congrats.
and Pope didn’t say he won’t be a tradition TE at all. He said they’re not going to use him there on a regular basis, which means he’ll be there some of the time…which is more then “at all”.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 18, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
ok
what was the congrats for, it was agreeing with what you said, you said they will be forced to do other things and thats what he basically said……. Nevermind smh, lol.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Oh i agree for sure
im just sayin we dont know if the other 50% was all catchable or not thrown at him in tripple coverage, just cause its a “target” doesnt mean it was catchable but i could be wrong on that, just sayin some of those has to be Eli’s fault especially last year.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Well,
he targeted Boss 70 times, he caught 35. Not sure about backup TEs, I’d have to look it up, I’m feeling lazy.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Bear had a few
but IDK that might have been from the FB position.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
and he attempted about 540 passes.
so really even if the wheels fall off of Beckum, we put in Pascoe or another O-Lineman and lose out on 15% of our passing options.
Gotta think we’ll be ok if any of these guys pan out to be at least average.
You down wit JPP?
I agree
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Well Boss did have the most (or 2nd most) drops of any TE last year
with around 11 or so. So for Boss alone that’s almost 50 not counting how many were uncatchable. Seems like a fair amout actually. If Boss had actually held on to a few more it would seem like the TE was more involved.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Relax
If you really trust JR, you aren’t worried about the departure of these guys. There are a reason we took guys like Beckum and Barden with high draft picks. They are going to be be a part of this offense sooner or later, and with the economic situation being what it is, what better time to incorporate them than now?
you don’t use top 4 picks on guys who are projects that may or may not play. These guys were factored into the plan from day 1. That’s why Giants brass are so eager to get these dudes on the field.
Random poll
Since it would be hard to write 75 words wthout meaningless babble.
Who’s more corrupt
А: NCAA
B: Pоlliticians
I hate the Jets with a passion.
by espnsucks on Aug 18, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
FIFA!
Are team is gone. We should just take the L.A stadium. And start over cause it seems like u gave are team away…
by Amsterdam Admirals on Aug 18, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
D. Roger Goddell
for taking a bribe from the eagles to force vick to sign with them rather than the bengals or bills… where he wanted to go
The Politicians inside the NCAA
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Taco bells beef
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fellow Giants Fan u must read this:
just was watching eli manning on espn…then darren woodson rankng top 10 Qbs…he had eli manning at 11…this guy is either dumb or just a hater…he had rivers …romo..freeman..all with lil playoff exp over a superbowl mvp and superbowl champion…..especially romo….that homo havent done shit n he ranks higher then eli n even ben ros…are u retarded??
Does it even matter?
I hate the Jets with a passion.
by espnsucks on Aug 18, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First off
don’t use gay slurs as an insult, even if you are applying to someone not in the thread. Not cool.
Second off, Romo is a good QB, comparable to Eli in all honesty.
by brisulph on Aug 18, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really.
Eli doesn’t choke under pressure, with his calm demeanor, he’s actually better under it. Romo is the Lebron of football. Mr. anti-clutch.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So this is not on topic,
But I just realized: Steve Smith is like an ex-girlfriend that dumped you for another guy (with more money) but says “we should still be friends”
+100
Bitch.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
He still wants to be friends.
I hate the Jets with a passion.
by espnsucks on Aug 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He always writes
about how much he cherishes his time with us and shit. BS
No, he just wants to still borrow your car
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
and then tells everyone
how much of an a-hole you are behind your back
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
just trying to leave the door open
It strikes me that this is a one year deal. When he sucks for them this year,(due to injury recovery) I’m gonna start calling him double agent Smith.
Then he’ll come crawling back healthy next year.
I know this is just a daydream scenario, but it is the delusion that I will continue to dwell on until he does anything for them.
You down wit JPP?
The plan all along
Smith goes to them for one year, learns the play book and signals then comes back and shares with us.
Who said Clawfin isn’t ingeniously devilish?
Never say never
Maybe Steve can recover from injury like T.O. and he is a huge factor for the Eagles down the stretch and they sign him Long Term during the season. Most likely Steve is not really Steve this season and will be looking for a new contract from anybody next season. If we are still looking for a reciever I don’t see why the Giants won’t talk to him, we talked to Plax
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Plax was a dope but he didn't rip the team
Smith has ripped the team, mainly because of his decisions, I’d pass on him coming back
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Sintim
I expect the Sintim experiment to end. He’ll be cut by the Giants.
this would be welcome news
simply because that means one of our young kids (jones, williams, tracy, herzlich, ingram)had stepped up and passed what Sintim could potentially be.
You down wit JPP?
well, Sintim is not old
though I am concerned about his durability and, more than anything, his football smarts to make the reads and react quickly enough as a SAM.
If Kiwi gets hurt again he’s next on the chart, but I’m nervous about it. Not as sold on him as Ghost or JR seem to be.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
How is he doing this camp
Have not heard much about him in the reports.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard he's doing real good when he's out there
the problem is Kiwi is a friggin Beast.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 18, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect your expectation to come up short
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 18, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Love it that Mara called it hitting the lottery
In other words, Boss got a ridiculous contract and there was no way the Giants were giving him that kind of money.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
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