Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips Implicated In Miami Investigation
Sounds like the allegations against Rolle are more serious. I would love to hear what either player has to say about this situation.
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I sure wouldn't...
Know why…it doesn’t mean anything now. They’re NY Giants. Not Miami Hurricanes. This is going to be a mess and I sure hope it doesn’t affect them one bit while they’re here.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
As much as I hate that kind of stuff in the NCAA, our Miami guys that were involved have been out of college a few years and I hope that they can pay it no mind and just get on with their business. But really, is anyone surprised about what happened down there?
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln
Though it is a NCAA issue but can NFL do something about it now?
I hate to see any problems come out of this for our 2011 season.
Let's Go Giants!
Why should the NFL do something?
Nothing happened to Bush.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Has nothing to do with the NFL.
I just worry about if these guys will worry about it. I think they’ll be fine though. They’re far removed from those days.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Once these guys leave college
it doesn’t bother them, now getting real money to play…Don’t have to deal with the booster fund…BTW, the guy doing the yapping in this particular case is a convicted felon, take it for what it’s worth?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 17, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That felon is upset
He is upset that he is in trouble and wants everyone else to get in some sort of trouble. He is pissed that he spent all that money and he feels like a loser.
Let's Go Giants!
What can the NCAA do about this now?
Nothing. Not reason to hurt the NFL players now. I mean Andre Johnson is also involved.
The only one worrying is Jacory Harris the U’s current QB.
Residing on the BEast Coast.
Read my blog Every Four Downs
I liked Harris.
Not a college fan, but thought he would be special.
Residing on the BEast Coast.
Read my blog Every Four Downs
also
the NCAA is a joke. The whole system needs to be overhauled. Why shouldn’t the players get what they can? The whole organization gets fat off these kids but expects them to live like 3rd world citizens.
south park did a great episode on the NCAA
using the “student atheltes” as slaves. such a kick in the nuts to the NCAA and makes complete sense
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 17, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
so true. The athletes are the equivalent of slaves. They work for nothing making teams and the organization hundreds of millions.
its not just in sports
If you come out with a theorem, that changes the world, while at school. The school gets credit for it and therefore owns it. You have no rights as a student or student athlete. This is not something new. The school lets you use their resources and in return whatever you get out of it belongs to them. The schools in turn use it to bolster resources, get more teachers, update supplies and materials. They do this to entice more kids to come to their school. The sports helps the academics and academics help the sports teams..
Athletes are not slaves. Everyone knows what they are doing. Everyone knows the consequences. Everyone does it anyways.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
But the researchers have different rights
A researcher can be paid by the school. A researcher can take a job delivering pizzas for extra money. Student athletes are prohibited from working any jobs.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
it's not a total job prohibition
But they restrict job types and income
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
wow really
You really must either look how most humans end up being enslaved or please find a better word. what NCAA S/A face dose not even come close to what someone who is enslaved will face. You seemsmarter than to use that word to describe this in any way.
south park
is probably the most intelligent show on television, hands down.
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 17, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You ain't shitin!!
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
lol
thinking about it yesterday, great episode
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 18, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been saying it for 25+ years
stipend anyone??
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 17, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
all I know is Reggie Bush had to give back a lot
but it didn’t change who he is as an NFL player. The whole situation sucks tho, this stuff really ruined what could’ve been a great year with UNC and now it seems Miami’s getting cracked down.
Common denominator does seem to be Butch Davis. I wonder if he’s banned from college football after all the charges are made here.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Talk to Miami fans...
He’s the one that cleaned up that mess in the 90s. Down in Miami then.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
there's a lot of players being implicated that were playing under Davis
nothing’s been brought to the light until now, but its obvious that while he cleaned it up there was other things that were going on under him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
That's no fun...
I live in NC and it stinks what’s happened to this program right down the road. They were actually starting to become a respectable team. Hopefully they can do it again.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bet this is going on at almost every program
NCAA is going to have to think about ways to compensate division one players, becasue to much money is made by the schools to ignore it. The scholarship joke is not working anymore if it ever did.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How much do you compensate?
And if you do compensate, you are going to make the compensation large enough that $200,000 Cam Newton esque purchases won’t happen.
And then do you compensate every sport, or just football? If it is every sport, is there enough money to go around?
not every sport
but the sports that derive millions of income. Football and basketball.
Also, it’s the only sport that doesn’t have a playoff. Why? Their reasons are a joke.
I agree with that
but that’s the BCS’s fault. The BCS is driven by a bunch of corrupt individuals that want to control how the money is distributed in college football.
NCAA must take control of the BCS crap
The reason their is no playoff is becasue of how much money these Bowls make people, and since the schools get a nice chunk of it they don’t complain.
Don’t forget on top of all the money Football and basketball make colleges, the NCAA makes all altheletes sign away thier likeness. So all the college video games are making ton’s of money for the NCAA while the altheltes image gets used for free.
Don’t forget that the only reason altheletes now get scholarship was becasue they had corruption problems with the boosters big time. So the NCAA now is trying to act like 160K in scholarship is enough compensation when the schools now rake in hundreds of millions of dollars. The real how they compensate the players is not in my pay grade.
But to me they should make the NFL and the NBA have a viable minor league system like Baseball and hockey have, so that kids that don’t want to go to college but want to play in the leagues have a shot can develop their talents without having to pretend to be students.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
By even the most conservative estimates, schools would make a ton more cash with a playoff
Most schools actually lose money on bowl games.
If you are interested in this stuff, you should read ‘Death to the BCS’. It will blow your mind and make you wonder why in the world we don’t already have a playoff.
The reason I don't watch college football is becuase there is no playoffs
I’ll bet you womens volleyball has a playoffs.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
scholorships
are a farce. Some college athletes have no business being in college. Some even have the education level of a grade schooler. Antonio Cromartie was only accepted into FSU because he is an athlete. His IQ is border line mentally retarded. A FSU counselor was fired because she opened her mouth about many athletes and the cheating scandal.
Never happen.
The second you say they’ll start paying football and basketball types, Gloria Allred will be all up in the NCAA’s @$$ with multiple press conferences defending other, less-important (I don’t believe any of them are less important) athletes.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually the schools themselves are using that BS as to why they can't compensate college football and basketball players
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't doubt it one bit.
It would be a mess. I know those smaller sports don’t bring the money in and believe me I understand that’s how business works, but those kids put in just as much work. Some of them.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They ARE being compensated...
They’re getting degrees, some from Top-Tier Universities….FOR FREE!~
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me a break with that scholarship crap
Have you really looked at the demands a D1 program puts on these kids. They are althelets first and students second. Secondly the schools and NCAA are making hundreds of millions of dollars of the kids. Who says a lot of these kids are even intreseted in going to college. But if they want to play in the NFL or NBA they have to go to college.
The NHL and MLB have minor league systems that allows kids to become professionals without having to pretend to be students. You don’t hear about a lot of problems with Baseball and Hockey student altheletes do you.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not my problem.
It makes me sick to think they’ll get paid even though some of these kids are IDIOTS! Even with college degrees some of them cannot speak English. You give ME a break with this oh boo hoo let’s pay them…BS.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is stop justifying the explotation by saying they are getting degrees
Like it or not collge football and basketball produce revenues that rival pro sports. A lot of these kids are not students thus the degree and can’t speak English. However since the NCAA allows college football and basketball to be used as a minor league by the NFL and NBA the only choice the kids have to make it to the next level is to go to college. Untill they find away to compensate the players you are always going to have booster scandals because that’s is how college’s pay their players.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't condone the exploitation...
It’s life. That’s the way it works. I agree on the revenue creating sports. Don’t think anybody can argue that. I agree with the rest of it as well. I don’t doubt that most Universities turn a blind eye to this stuff in hopes they don’t get caught. I don’t think even the most heartfelt story would make me change my mind. Someday, I may. Just not today. I love watching them, I really do. Not much in this world like College football. I just don’t want any of the money I spend to go to these kids who will probably be making MILLIONS in a few years, just to go broke a few years later.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
so
you’d rather your money go into the pockets of some fat cat million NCAA exec?
welcome to the real world and Business 101
That’s the way the cookie crumbles.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It is used a minor league
because its the easiest one… and cheapest. The athletes are getting paid. They get their food, rent, utilities, and degree for free. They are kids and want the disposable income to spend on stuff they dont need. Which schools will not supply.
Though a lot of times the kids dont know what they have gotten into.. A gift is a gift… How do you tell someone that has never had anything handed to them, that free drinks for such an awesome game is not to be tolerated?
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
If you're a talented hockey player...
You don’t go to college…you go to Major Junior.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
a ton of college players make the NHL too
Point is those kids choose to go to college to get a degree. They are not foced to pretend to be a student in order to become better hockey players.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ton is a bit much.
I agree. It’s not an easy thing. They go to college to get a degree because for the most part, the college ranks is not the best rout to the NHL. So, they go to get the degree for free.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Close to a third of all NHL players went the college rout
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I’d have to see that. I don’t doubt you it’s just every time I am in a meeting with USA Hockey the numbers are incredibly low….however, growing every year.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is from 2009
Colleges Represented in the NHL
Michigan 25
Boston College 16
North Dakota 16
Wisconsin 16
Michigan State 15
Minnesota 14
Boston University 13
St. Cloud State 13
Colorado College 10
Denver 10
Maine 9
Clarkson 8
Cornell 7
Dartmouth 6
Notre Dame 6
Ohio State 6
Vermont 6
Harvard 5
Michigan Tech 5
Minnesota Duluth 5
Minnesota State 5
Nebraska-Omaha 5
New Hampshire 5
Bowling Green 4
Princeton 4
Western Michigan 4
Alaska 3
Colgate 3
Miami 3
Providence 3
St. Lawrence 3
UMass-Lowell 3
Yale 3
Alaska Anchorage 2
Bemidji State 2
Lake Superior State 2
Massachusetts 2
Northern Michigan 2
Norwich 2
Alabama-Huntsville 1
Army 1
Brown 1
Ferris State 1
Holy Cross 1
Niagara 1
Northeastern 1
RPI 1
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ferris State 1
Gotta love Chris Kunitz.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
More than I would have thought!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
28.5%
That’s not a bad number…much higher than the last time I looked and it’s from 2010. So, the numbers are growing…steadily.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I would much rather...
have them get paid under the table by Boosters than have any semblance of a payment plan with the University or the NCAA.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The kids wouldn't be allowed in any of the colleges
if they weren’t athletic.
It really shows how messed up our society is that someone who can throw an oblong ball really far makes millions while someone teaching calculus makes less then 100,000
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Exactly.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
The NHL has their “minor-league” system, but almost all prospects come up through Canadian Minor Leagues (OHL, QMJHL, WHL) etc etc etc. That AREN’T connected to the NHL.
It just so happens that football development is controlled by Universities. Perhaps a minor league should be created.
Fact is, they are enrolled as students, they do get scholarship money, tutors do their work for them, and when they graduate they get degrees. They are students.
Maybe if a situation was created where they weren’t students, then fine. But until then.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Are they really students
The University does not care if they graduate or not. They attend the Universities to play football or basketball. The money the kids make for the school is way more than a scholarship costs the school.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He took over a program on probation
and was able to clean it up by being using all the south florida “resources” to his advantage. That is exactly why Miami is getting in trouble.
He also cleaned up UNC’s program and has now left them in shambles.
Yawn....
NCAA is one of the most hipocritical organizations that exists today. Everyone knows college football is the NFL’s minor league system. These players made hundreds of millions of dollars for the school’s they play for. nobody should be shocked the schools found way’s to take care of the star players outside of the system.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
I despise NCAA football. Not the sport but the organization and its hypocrisy. Auburn title last season is a joke. If they weren’t undefeated they would have been sanctioned.
After careful deliberation on these serious issues, i have decided my response should be.....
SO.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
is it surprising to anyone that kp took less than rolle?
seems like he tried to stay out of the fray for the most part. Its hard to fault the guy too much for going to dinners if the whole team is going…. but i wonder what “entertainment” means.
sorry
but I could care less what they did in college. It’s not going to affect them on the field.
Maybe if they didnt make millions and millions off these kids
who risk their health for what they lie to term a “scholarship” which is basically free money the university has a surplus of from their sporting events.
The NCAA sickens me for real, always investigating an athlete for what basically is non sense. You have to be really out of your mind to try an investigate that stuff.
EVERY PLAYER, EVERY WHERE has participated in these things to some extent at one point in their college careers, i mean they cant even get a free soda without someone jumping out the bushes,…….. pure foolishness.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
sickens me too
I can barely watch the sport anymore because of all this BS. The sport is a joke.
what sickens me more
is the die hard NCAA football fan that continues to support this organization. Like that moron that poisoned the trees on the Auburn campus.
grow men
vilifying 18, 19 and 20 year old boys that aren’t making a nickle. That for the most part are playing for the love of the game.
Pryor is a perfect example of this sick joke.
The kid basically never really was a student but if you want to play pro football you got to go to college. Ohio State has made hundreds of millions of dollars from the bowl appearnces he helped guide the team to not to mention all the Pryor jersey’s Ohio State sells to it’s students. NCAA is profiting from his likness on the NCAA football video games. Yet when we find out the kid got some car’s and tattoo’s they throw the kid overboard and act like at 21 he is one of the worst people in the world, not to mention pretty much flush his NFL dreams down the toilet because he really needs more seasoning before turning pro.
Say the Pyor can’t make it in the pro’s and decides to go back to school and get his degree. Well to bad Ohio state will make him pay to be a student now because they can’t profit off of him.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that had to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
Grinds my Gears
Im shaking just thinking about it……….. half these kids come from poverty but you want them to put their bodies on the line just to put their faces on mugs and t shirts and turn a profit………….. but the min u try and sell your own damn t shirt with your own likeness on it, you become Terrel Pryor………. Or you have to turn down simple shit and not even accept a few dollars because then you are Marvin Austin
If anyone cant see whats happening they are blind……That UNC thing was a conspiracy, all those kids have excellent characters but their names had to dragged thru the mud because someone simply just has too much damn time and hate on their hands.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Does it matter?
Chances are 75 % of players in the NFL had something somewhat similar. Can’t do anything about it now unless they pull a reggae Bush and take someone’s hyman trophy.
Francesa said that Mark Sanchez apparently likes justin bieber, glee, and walks around half naked with long white pants. I have no words, Mark.
In some places, a hyman is a Trophy!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
In all places
Francesa said that Mark Sanchez apparently likes justin bieber, glee, and walks around half naked with long white pants. I have no words, Mark.
Lol anyone listening to antrelle on francesa?
He obviously received “stuff”
Francesa said that Mark Sanchez apparently likes justin bieber, glee, and walks around half naked with long white pants. I have no words, Mark.
Did you read the report?
According to the booster, Rolle introduced himself, gave the booster his phone number and told him “I want in on all the action.” Sounds like a determined man.
Here’s a quote from the booster:
"When you’re talking about violations he was about as bad as it gets. For starters, I bought him a $7,500 Jacob the Jeweler watch from Buchwald Jewelers in the Seybold Building. I supplied cash, strip joints. …. Probably the most significant violation would be Michael Huyghue financed Antrel to the tune of about $40,000 in cash while he was at the University of Miami."
"The worst thing you can do, at least this is what my friends tell me, is to come after me," Calhoun said. "I'm usually better at coming out of the corner than I am up on the pedestal. I haven't been on many pedestals, by the way. I'm a natural underdog, I guess -- sometimes for no apparent reason. And if I can't be the underdog, I'll make myself the underdog, somehow or other."
by uconncountry on Aug 17, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bet you the guy got his money back when Antrell went pro to
Otherwise we would be hearing about this a lot sooner.
Reggis Bush’s biggest mistake was being to cheap to pay the agent back after he went pro.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 17, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care
As long as he didn’t harm anyone, I don’t care.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
+10000
Who the hell cares do you think these were the only guys that have done this. Nicks was around with the wrong doing at UNC that cost Butch Davis his job. Reggie Bush gave back his Heisman and a booster bought his mother a house. I’m sure TT was involved in some shady dealings at USC all of these guys were. Ohio State, come on, they have a higher cap # than the Bengals do hell I take 40K too if someone offered it to me and it was not a crime. These schools get what they’re asking for when they try and compete as big time football programs.
i'm more interested in investigating their 2010 NFL Seasons
and why they’re not living up the hype that THEY promised
TeamJPP
see...that's funny as hell
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
UPDATED DEPTH CHART
http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/NYG
This was tweeted by John Clayton, so its probably legit. Real interesting….looks like Jacquain Williams makes the team….Spencer Paysinger, Mark Herzlich, Andre Brown won’t according to this
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
I'd be real surprised if Paysinger doesn't make it at this point
he’s playing with the first team on two separate occasions, that has to count for something.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Waived injured I think
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I think Ingram goes and Herzlich stays
Paysinger will make it, he is the #2 wil backer right now so IDK what that means for Dilliard.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
dillard is the number 2 MIKE right now
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So who cares about a jailhouse snitch saying
college football players took money (less than 1%) of the revenue U of Miami made?
..not me.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
The only thing that I think is really jacked up is...
the “hit list” he set and bounties he offered to have people knocked out of games. That is inexcusable…
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
On the subject of corruption
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/8/17/2369430/michael-vick-gq-philadelphia-eagles-cincinnati-bengals-buffalo-bills
Long time observer first time poster. Sorry if this is incorrect ettiquite but i just read this andwanted to know if it upset anyone as much as it did me. i figured this was the most current discussion whuch is why i posted it here.
welcome
and nah, these all become open threads anyway so its all good
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure everybody has said the same thing...
but this is pointless. They broke NCAA regulations, not laws, right? Who cares? Except for the NCAA, nobody cares. Good for them for getting something while getting taken advantage of by those rich, greedy bastards who run the NCAA.
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