Report: Giants Roughly $5 Million Under Salary Cap
by Ed Valentine on Aug 16, 2011 3:35 PM EDT
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PrintAccording to the calculations of Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network the New York Giants are roughly $5 million under the NFL salary cap for the 2011-2012 season. LaCanfora's numbers were released prior to the Giants' free-agent signings of safeties Deon Grant and Derrick Martin, which were both announced this morning.
The Giants' adjusted salary cap figure, per LaCanfora, is $123,668,670.00. Prior to today's transactions they had spent $118,357,838.00, leaving them $5,310,832.00 to spend. Obviously, today's moves -- especially the Grant signing -- cut into that somewhat. Details of Grant's contract are not yet know, though, so we don't know how much.
To be honest, I am not quite sure how to react to this tidbit of information. Obviously, the Giants have done a lot of work to get under the cap -- releasing Shaun O'Hara, Rich Seubert and Shawn Andrews, and restructuring several contracts to make them more cap-friendly.
They are, however, holding firm in dealing with defensive end Osi Umenyiora and watched tight end Kevin Boss and wide receiver Steve Smith go elsewhere when the Giants did not match or exceed the offers those players had on the table.
Perhaps we will never know if the Giants really wanted to match the offer Smith got from the Philadelphia Eagles, or if they were really OK with letting him walk away. I just find it interesting that the Giants, who reportedly have been hamstrung by salary cap difficulties, currently have a little more room to play with than we might have realized.
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well they expected to pay boss 3 and smith 2 right?
so that pretty much sums it up. Once they didn’t get those guys, there’s noone else to sign, so the space just sits there. I assume grant is getting 1-1.5mil. Maybe in the middle of the season they pick someone up based on injuries… but for now there’s nothing left to do.
could be a small deal here or there
once rosters are cut at the end of this month, and then again before season start.
Of course, this all assumes they don’t trade Osi and get anyone back in the trade with some other salary freight.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
MAYBIN!!!
Kidding…kinda
Let's Go Giants!!!!
by maculis on Aug 16, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
heard Bills GM
projecting him as a SS due to his weight issues, can’t say if he was joking or not..
by DellaVittoria on Aug 16, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No surprises there
Boss wasn’t worth the money Raiders threw at him. Losing Smith was disappointing, but it kind of seems like he wanted to go to the Eagles at this point.
Anyhow, I think they have made this cap space to be able to make moves later in the off-season when they know more about injuries and camp performance of certain players.
Just like when they signed Bulluck last year (Sintim performed poorly and Goff played well). This also enables them to make moves for quality players, at positions of need, who will be cut
Yes, re-signing him is a must
Congrats to the Eagles. They beat the Redskins and can officially be declared the off-season champs.
its funny to hear people say that
Last year they were saying cut him and keep Cruz.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
by maculis on Aug 16, 2011 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who said that last year?
Mario is a first round talent…who fell because of some Mary Jane.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Ham
When has he shown that he has first round talent?
by NY Football Giants on Aug 16, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
talent vs production
he hasn’t had first round production but he’s been a first round talent. What’s his best case scenario as a #2? 1100 and 11 touchdowns?
(50 yards and 9 Tds, theres a lot of first rounders that haven't had a season liek that.
That’s what Manningham did last year. And coming out of college, he was indeed a first round talent, he got caught with bud twice, why he went 3rd round. He’s absolutely a first round talent, you clearly have no concept of talent then.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
dude why are you coming at me like that for lol
I’m the one who said he was the best deep threat in the league. sigh…
i think it was a reply fail homie
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
My reply to Football went under you for some reason
fairly obvious I wasn’t referring to you.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless, no need to attack him for not understanding talent.
He disagrees with you, thats all.
No need for attacks.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Didn't attack anyone.
When there’s proof in numbers to attest to something, don’t say the guy doesn’t have the talent, when he clearly does. Again it’s just someone’s opinion that has no factual backing. Give me a reason why you think he’s not as talented, if not, don’t even bother pressing the keys on your keyboard.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you over Manningham’s talent for sure.
He’s a legit first round talent in my book.
But someone disagrees. No need to call him out personally on it.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
He asked when has he shown he has first round talent?
I answered.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I knew that was meant for that other dude.
that’s why I wrote lol, just trying to be funny #fail. sigh
also longest play in nfl last yr...
98 yards vs. redskins!
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 16, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you watched Giants football the last two years?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
or that we should trade Ham for an Lbaneezer
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
At least you didn't ask to trade him for a punt returner
which is what someone here said after Hixon went down.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
lol who the hell said that.
I wasn’t a big Manningham fan then, but I would never even think of that.
Really?
I only joined in Dec of last year so I dont know any of last seasons “rumblings” with trade wants, etc.
Manning to Manninngham is getting better every year. As long as we have that improved running game I see coming our way, that will open up some nice play action plays where a shifty, quick, and fast runner may find himself past the defense on a corner post or a go route. Me Likeeee
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
I think Tom Clawflin wanted SS12 back a lot more then Jerry did.. IMHO
IMHO
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
Certainly seems like it
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Yup..
HAHA Clawflin.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Mike Francesa has me thinking
that Jerry Reese is trying to get Coughlin out of town, or preparing for life without him.
Why did he extend his contract to next season?
Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?
by colinlovestheknicks on Aug 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Francesa = 
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
How'd you find that?
That’s awesome
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
We’re going to need that money for Matt Dodge’s extension
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
Bomar can be had cheap, he’ll be on work release.
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers
Big Blue View: Unofficial New York Giants blog
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ha for that one
and another for the previous one
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
i think that Jerry Reese is going to spend the remaining cap space to sign the Goodyear Blimp.
Mostly because he doesn’t want people continuously trying to throw him from it, but it’s also a servicable back-up o-lineman.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That way, he gots Da Blimp on the payroll.
Yeah, I see. No more Blimp Rides plus depth at the Oline interior. YEAH!!
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Still need Eli to restructure so we can throw him out of a blimp
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 16, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
dammit
I’m on a conference call and had to play a laugh off as a sneeze
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not the only one.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
same here
had to do the fake cough
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Luckily there is a mute button on the phone
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 16, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what ya get for reading BBV during a conference call Oppie!
you know what we’re capable of over here…;)
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I even got a "bless you"
I’d like to thank The Academy…
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 16, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
[wrap it up music starts playing]
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I think JR
has all the restructuring meetings on the blimp. Either u redo your contract or… out you go.
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the brinksmanship
Blimpsmanship
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
LOL
Grant was actually really good last year. Better than Antrelle Rolle, anyways
There seems to be a WIDE range of opinion on Grants play.
I for one, accentuate the positive.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
let's just stay healthy
if we can keep the injuries down and continue to gel this roster is fine. Unless a good vet LB or TE comes available stand pat! In JR We Trust…
I'm already looking at the big fish for next season.
Larry Fitz is up to the highest bidder if the Cards don’t extend that contract. I could deal with Nicks, Fitz and Ham, but this is just next years dream. Here’s to looking forward to some improvements vs the Bears.
Quinn must go !!
Fitz would be enormous
but judging from JR’s tightfisted approach, keep dreaming. It is a good dream though.
I cannot imagine the Cards will let him go easily but maybe he wants to win.
The guy is just amazing.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 16, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention, his name is Larry
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
JR can seem to be on the cheaper side
but he did pay Antrel Rolle a lot. and we were big into Haynesworth. i think the deal JR was offering was for about $80 mil so he can throw some money around at bigger names
we're at the salary cap limit
= JR not cheap
Let's Go Giants!!!!
by maculis on Aug 16, 2011 4:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fitz is going to get
near QB money. The Cards will probably sign him to an extension sometime this year. At least, that’s the scuttlebutt that I’ve heard.
But he will be over 30. And expensive.
It’s worth a look-see but my early thoughts are no.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
He'll be 29 after next yeart.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He will be 28 this month.
So yeah, he will be 29 going into his walk year, That looks a lot different than 30, 31. He’s worth a gander, thats for sure. What kind of $ would we be talking about?
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Well,
Andre Johnson’s is a total of 7 years, 73.5 million, that’s including the extension. so 10.5 million a year. Based on the fact that many consider Johnson the better player, he’s younger, bigger, stronger, faster, I’d say Fitz will want something like 5 years maybe 47.50 million, 9.5 million a year. I think that’s the top of the scale, he might only seek like 8-9 million a year, so idk.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So realistically, we are talking a 5 year contract, at least 7 mil per, with like 25 mil or more gauranteed,
expensive. But he is a BEAST
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Sounds about right.
I honestly don’t see much difference between him and Nicks if Nicks takes that next step many think he will take. Maybe Fitz has a flare for making the spectacular catch, that’s all I’ll give him over Nicks.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been a huge fan of Fitz
since he was picked fourth in the Eli draft. And I will never forget how he dominated the 2008 playoffs. He almost was the difference in what would have been a HUGE upset over the Steelers in the SB.
Troy Palamalu is on the record as saying that, on that final play in the SB, when Warner had the ball knocked out of his hand as he was throwing it in the final minute, that Fitz was in a position where he, or nobody else, was gonna be able to make a play on the ball. In other words, had Warner gotten off the throw, Larry Fitzgerald would have caught the winning TD in SB 43.
What does this all mean? I dunno. We gotta sign TT and MM next year. Plus I would not be surprised to see reese lock up Nicks as well, granted he has a healthy season.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Can't
he’s got a clause in his contract. If they don’t extend him by the end of this season, they can’t franchise tag him. So, they either get it done this season, or he’s at least a URFA.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
so do you think we drop Mannigham for him?
Personally, I think if Fitzgerald is a FA it’s a good thing for us. because maybe Manningham will go under the radar and we can re-sign him without having to compete with many others.
I don't think we'll go after Fitz. Don't need him if Nicks turns into what 99.99% of everyone thinks he'll turn into.
And so help me God if we don’t re-sign Manningham, my heart will forever be scarred. I would never forgive Reese, and I would immediately demand his head on a silver platter. God just thinking about him not being a Giant makes me shiver.
No homo.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
On a separate note
I was fully expecting to see a “Is Eli Elite” post by now. What’s the over/under on when we the first? And by first I mean 50th.
Congrats to the Eagles. They beat the Redskins and can officially be declared the off-season champs.
I'd say his
first really good or really bad game
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on when we see the Eli = Rex Grossman one
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What did Eli do to deserve that?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
stay tuned...
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 16, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
oh noes
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Elite is subjective :(
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
true.
But I only consider Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady (maybe Drew Brees) Elite. After that he’s in my 2nd tier with Philip Rivers being the closest to that Elite status.
I agree. Just that term elite is tricky.
As far as people go, being like the 10th best qb in a world of 7 billion is pretty fucking elite :)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
The key to the season is health amongst the starters
And of course not turning the damn football over. If we can have those two things happen then we can win 12 games.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
if we can just score more points then the other team
we should be able to win some games
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 16, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
if we can do that every game
we will be at least 11-5
Congrats to the Eagles. They beat the Redskins and can officially be declared the off-season champs.
maybe better
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
might even get us a shout at the superblow
by BleedBigBlue on Aug 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want a snort at the superblow
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
I'm more upset that they...
…let Andrews go than Boss or Smith. Our WRs are fine, especially taking Smith’s injury into consideration. I loved Boss but he hasn’t been the same. Losing Andrews really hurts our depth at OL though.
We got the other Andrews (Stacy)
Shawn said that Stacy is in the best shape of his life.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
I have a hard time telling when you're kidding or not
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
Not kidding on that one
their use of Andrews last year annoyed me since Beatty should’ve been starting those games.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Beatty had a broken leg for the majority of last year
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 16, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, out 8 weeks
doesn’t excuse the other 8.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He wouldn't have been ready to play for a few weeks after that too because he was out of shape
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 16, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
the 8 weeks he was out included the getting back into shape part
and its not like Andrews was in shape
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 16, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take Beatty over Andrews
but Beatty AND Andrews would be swell.
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
Andrews is always hurt
Bad back. He wouldnt restructure his deal and wasnt worth close what he was scheduled to make.
Congrats to the Eagles. They beat the Redskins and can officially be declared the off-season champs.
Using a roster spot
On a guy with a bad back is a bad idea.
He’s going to get signed at some point in the season by a team desperate along the O line because he is good enough to play pretty well when the back permits. He won’t get the money he wants though.
Go Giants!
I believe the Giants should snag him
he knows the team, the assignments, and they could use depth.
Let him figure out that no team wants to pay much to a guy who can only be relied on for half a season (wait, Eagles, SS12, forgot about that one).
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
I was actually going to say
If Andrews isn’t signed yet or anything, do you think he’ll come back?
I mean he gets injured way too much, but when he’s healthy he’s superb.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
What is the diff between waived and waived/injured?
There were two let go. Other than the obvious (one was injured, Giguere ) what are the implications?
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 16, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
waived/injured
usually means you got bought out on an injury settlement, whereas waived is just plain, old cut. So, I guess the difference is injured = money settlement.
(I think)
Per the inter-google
“Waived injured’ means the team is releasing the player but the player is injured. The team is responsible to pay the player until his injury has healed. This is usually done by reaching an agreement for a specific amount of money, called an injury settlement. Other teams are allowed to pick up players on the waived injured list but they are forewarned that the player is not in condition to play. Sometimes, if a player on the waived injured list is not selected by another team, the team will retain the player and place him on its injured reserve list.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 16, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
By Game 5 Perriloux will be leading us to the Superblow!!
He’ll fight his way off the Practice squad in the middle of game 3, Out-Vick the Eagles to an overtime victory and permanently replace Eli by Game 4.
It may take him another 4 quarters to adjust to the speed of a real NFL game, but by Game 5, he’ll have won over the locker room and Gilbride will have no choice but to start him.
Reese and Coughlin to the Blimp!!!
But is Perriloux elite?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Perriloux is Bomar! Bomar is Perriloux!
Couldnt resist…lol…
hahah....
i really need to watch that movie again…was just watching some clips on youtube and i was still laughing my ass off.
if only i still had a VHS player….
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 16, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not going to resign Tuck and Phillips?
Residing on the BEast Coast.
Read my blog Every Four Downs
that would mean "need to"
not “needed”. We didn’t need to resign them, we will need to in the future tho. Tuck more so then Phillips.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Opinion
Boss – not worth 4 mil a year. Concussions, concussions, concussions. This guy is going to take some hits and not be able to play. I hope he proves me wrong because this guy is classy and a good representative of the NFL
SS12 – maybe Jerry didn’t make a big offer for three reasons. One, doubts on how fast or when he would return to 100%. Two, Jerry didn’t think we could sign him long term and he was going to leave anyway. Three, We’re going to have to pay Nicks big money to stay and we couldn’t afford two big money WR’s
Osi – I’m too tired on this one to comment. He’s being paid what he deserves and even that is up for debate.
I think the leftover money allows us to go after a decent player that is cut around week 3 of the preseason.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
"To be honest, I am not quite sure how to react to this tidbit of information."
I’m in same boat. Also, how would a player (e.g. Jacobs) react to renegotiating his contract when it looks like he didn’t have to. I don’t know the terms, but if they take less guaranteed money, I can imagine some bitterness ensuing.
Somebody...
copy and paste Joyner’s Giant piece today, for us that aren’t ‘espn insiders’….Thanks!
In Reese I Trust.
The hottest topic in the NFL the past couple of weeks has been Vince Young’s comment that the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles are a “Dream Team”.
What is lost in all of the hype surrounding that quote is that, as stocked as Philadelphia’s roster is, there are multiple reasons to think they might not even be the best team in the NFC East.
That honor could very well belong to the New York Giants.
The Giants as NFC East favorites? The team that lost Steve Smith and Kevin Boss in free agency (with Smith adding insult to injury by signing with the Eagles), lost Plaxico Burress to their cross-town rivals and had first-round draft pick Prince Amukamara go out with a foot injury should be considered a favorite to win this division?
In a word, yes.
Here are eight items that show why the Giants shouldn’t be written off as second-place contenders in the NFC East.
Michael Vick wasn’t anywhere near as good as his 2010 numbers suggest
One of the reasons Philadelphia won the NFC East in 2010 is that Vick had a near-MVP campaign, but the fact is he benefitted from more luck than maybe any other quarterback in the league.
He had only 19.4 percent of his potential interceptions turn into actual interceptions. That total was tied for the lowest interception luck factor rate in the league and indicates he was a huge beneficiary of fortunate bounces.
Lowest interception luck factor last season
Player Team Int Int + Nrint Interception luck factor
Michael Vick Philadelphia Eagles 6 31 19.4%
Josh Freeman Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6 31 19.4%
Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers 5 22 22.7%
Tom Brady New England Patriots 4 16 25.0%
Kyle Orton Denver Broncos 9 35 25.7%
The interception column shows how often each quarterback was picked off last year. The int + nrint column shows the total number of interceptions and near interceptions (passes that could have been picked off but were dropped, tipped away, etc.). The interception luck factor column shows the percentage of potential interception chances that actually turned into interceptions.
Eli Manning wasn’t anywhere near as bad as his 2010 numbers suggest
Manning had 52.1 percent of his potential interceptions turn into interceptions, a total that was the fourth-highest in the league and was a prime reason Manning threw a league-high 25 interceptions. If Manning’s luck gets better (and it really couldn’t get much worse than last year) and Vick’s luck gets worse (and it couldn’t have been much better), it could mean as much as a 10-15 interception swing between these two in 2011.
Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham are much better matchup-busters than DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin
A matchup-buster wide receiver is one who is capable of posting dominant numbers against quality cornerback coverage.
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A study in the 2011 TFS Fantasy Football Draft Guide examined how wideouts around the league fared in this coverage scenario. The guide broke cornerbacks down into different rating levels, with a red rating being the best (allowing less than 7.0 YPA), and a yellow rating indicating the player was average (allowing 7.0-8.9 YPA).
Jackson and Maclin averaged 5.6 YPA on 66 passes against red- and yellow-rated cornerbacks last year. To put that into perspective, the league average in this category was 7.3 YPA, so these two weren’t even average when facing quality competition.
Now contrast that with Nicks and Manningham. Those two faced red- and yellow-rated cornerbacks on 96 passes last year and posted 9.6 YPA on those aerials.
The vast difference between these totals offers strong evidence that New York’s starting wideouts are much better matchup-busters than Philadelphia’s.
The Giants can largely absorb the loss of Boss/Smith with more passes to Nicks/Manningham
Let’s assume Manning will throw around 500 passes this year. Last year, Nicks saw 127 targets in only 13 games, so his target level could move up to the 150-range this year. Manningham saw 90 targets in 16 games, but only eight of those games were starts. If we move his target level up to 125, those two will account for 275 of Manning’s targets. Give the running backs 100 targets and the total moves to 375. That leaves only 125 targets for the tight end and No. 3 wide receiver. Even if the replacements for Boss and Smith are a yard or so worse in YPA, it means a loss of only 150 yards or so, which is a negligible amount.
Jason Pierre-Paul and Marvin Austin could make the strong Giants pass rush even stronger
Pierre-Paul was very highly rated coming out of college and is starting to showcase those skills at the NFL level to the extent that ESPN.com NFC East blogger Dan Graziano said he “looks like a monster.” Austin displayed a wide variety of pass-rush skills at North Carolina and could add a lot of up-the-gut pass-rush pressure.
Steve Weatherford could vastly improve the Giants punting
Matt Dodge’s punting last year was sometimes legendarily bad, something Eagles fans can appreciate most. It’s not a given that Weatherford will win the job, but even if his presence only serves to make Dodge get his punting act together, it would shore up a potentially huge weakness for the Giants.
Pat Flaherty will help New York weather the offensive line changes
Flaherty might be the best offensive line coach in the NFL, and his expertise is a main reason why the Giants ranked second in sacks allowed percentage last year despite playing three different centers, two different left guards and two different left tackles. If Flaherty’s history is any indicator, it won’t take long for this revamped group to gel.
Kenny Phillips is healthy
Although losing Amukamara is certainly a hindrance, the Giants have good depth at the position with Corey Webster, Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas. There is far less depth at safety, so getting the talented Phillips back to full strength should make up for the loss of Amukamara, and then some.
Each of these items is significant on its own, but when they are added together, they show why New York general manager Jerry Reese was willing to guarantee that his team would be playoff-bound in 2011.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Thanks for the post
This is an excellent analysis, actually contains facts. What a concept over “homerism”.
It makes good sense and does improve my view.
However, it does not asses the impact of Nnamdi which I think will be big.
On the other hand, I would have added an improved running game. Hynocerous plus whomever is the 3rd back (either Brown or Da’rel) will add to our game. Yes the OL is new and in the beginning won’t be as effective. But I think Pat Flaherty is great and will mend them together. Look at what he was able to accomplish last year with many injuries.
While I think our passing is important and will improve (less TOs, more maturity), I think the running game improvement will be a big boost.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic as it is when they are always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
However, it does not asses the impact of Nnamdi which I think will be big
I thought the same thing. It’s a biased arguement piece designed to do to Philly fans what we have had done to us over the past few weeks. Fire ’em up, make them think the world is against them.
The end all be all of this season is that, these are two of the top teams in the NFC. Luck and injuries will go a long way in deciding the outcome of this year.
You down wit JPP?
Nnamdi isn't an impact player IMO.
Yes, he’s a shut down corner in man to man coverage. But does he impact a game in the way a sack specialist, or QB does? Not to me. I’m not taking anything away from him, he’s probably the best all around CB in football, but all he does is take out the WR on his side of the field, which is only one. Spread the defense out with 4 and 5 WRs, his “impact” is hardly felt. My point is, you can always throw away from him, and if there’s 4 or 5 WRs on the field, you can easily pass without going any where near him. I just think there’s players at other positions that make more of an impact on the game. Yes he should help improve the Eagles pass D, though all bets are off on the deep ball over the middle with those safeties, but you can essentially play around him. Idk, just how I feel, I think someone like Cullen Jenkins might have more of an impact than Nnamdi. Just my opinion though.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The other CB for Oakland is above average
so i think this guy can play an island and allow the safety to blitz or shade the other half the field. That to me is an impact player.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
The biggest thing
is the interception number. There was a good PFF article about how interceptions are usually not consistent in the number (exceptions being obviously really bad qbs throw tons of ints and good ones don’t throw as much). Vick will throw more ints and Eli will throw less
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
should have made this a fan post!
still not to late i guess.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
or maybe ill do it for you.
:O)
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
But is he ELITE!!!???
@TheBlueScreen Asked on @1050espnNY if he believes he’s a Top 5 QB in the NFL, Eli Manning said “Yeah, I am.” #NYG
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
and re: Plax
@TheBlueScreen Eli Manning also said he was “indecisive on some parts” about whether #NYG should’ve tried to re-sign @Plaxico. “I just didn’t know” he said
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I called RV out on that
he knows better…he just doing what he does best….trying to make a mountain outta of mole hill
TeamJPP
Absolutely! In commercial endorsements and SuperBowl MVPs
And isn’t that all that matters. Otherwise a guy might as well be in San Diego…
so it begins... again
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And so it begins.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Back up running backs?
Who do the Giants keep after Bradshaw and Jacobs? i nominate Andre Brown and Dar’el Scott. DJ Ware is not doing it for me.
The cap money always gets spent
If there’s any left over they re-restructure the guys that have been helpful in that regard to bring some salary from next year back into this year.
Unless you are the Bengals, Panthers, Jags or some other team where the owner tries to pocket the savings. Thankfully the Jints haven’t been like that in the Mara/Tisch era.
Just watched the video of some highlights from today's practice on the team's official website
- The DBs were all over the ball
- Eli made some poor throws (one TT dropped a pick, and did his subsequent push ups, the other was tipped and picked by CWeb)
- Greg Jones pulled a ridiculous okie doke move on some lineman (couldn’t see the number of who)
- Bradshaw and Charles Scott both looked pretty damn fast.
That’s about it, short video, but def. worth the watch.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
Oh and as usual
my boy Ham made an acrobatic catch.
EDIT- The move by Jones was on Daniel Coats the TE.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I think we should give that cash to Justin Tuck for being such a great player, worker, and teammate.
Salary Cap
If I understand correctly, the salary cap is the total of your highest X amount of players (like 49 or something like that).
How might this number change over the coming weeks?
I would assume a team would like a cushion of a few million should something happen mid-season they have options.
Also, they can resign a guy like Tuck, give him a few extra million this year if it makes life easier in the future.
Anyone have any insight?
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
top paid 51 players count as cap
hard to say how much it will change, it fluctuates all season as teams make adjustments, react to injuries, etc. But any team wants to keep some flexibility for just those kinds of contingencies.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Would I be wrong in thinking that this team is close to being blown up?
What do you do when a team is continuing to under-perform?
Let’s say the same thing happens this year (we miss the playoffs, after looking great @ one point of the season), where do we go from there?
In my eyes this team is complete. Yeah, we don’t have a Peyton Manning @ QB, Ray Lewis @ LB or an Ed Reed @ S… but at the same time we are not bad at any position; and it isn’t like we haven’t tried to bring in a top player. I just think we are under-performing.
I like Jerry Reese, Coughlin not so much, but I don’t know if a HC change is going to fix it.
BTW I’m not trying to be negative. I just was looking @ mockdrafts and not 1 top prospect made me believe that they would make this team better, then I came upon this question. I thought I’d share it with my fellow G-Fans.
hard to imagine them blowing everything up with Eli in his prime
I’d expect more “reloading” as we’ve seen this year than full out “rebuilding.”
That said, it wouldn’t shock me if the team underperforms badly this year to see a new HC, new OC and maybe PF gets a shot at the HC job.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Not While we have a core group of young talented defensive players.
Or Eli at QB. This team is extremely young, it won’t get blown up for the foreseeable future. They may overhaul a position, but the entire defense is under 30, and we have a QB in his prime.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean by rebuild?
Trade Tuck, Nicks, Eli, AB, and other higher priced players?? I’d say no they didn’t do that in the worst of times.
If you’re saying giving up on some guys like they did with Boss and Smith, I’d say they do it all the time.
I tend to agree with the sentiment that if they miss the playoffs this year TC could be in serious trouble. It’s hard to miss 3 years in a row even if you don’t have a losing record.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
depends on what you mean by 'blown up'
the NFL always has transition. Mock drafts at this point are basically useless, 9/10 of them have us picking a LB for the 50th year in a row and if not a LB, a center.
The Giants have always had a lot of continuity aside from this season. I’d say what we did this year is as close to "blowing it up’ as you’ll ever see.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What I mean by "blown up,"
is getting rid of guys who aren’t the corner stones, and just rebuild by bringing in younger guys. Sort of like what the Pats did.
That's pretty much the 'new guys stepping up' thing again
with a salary cap, you have no choice in doing that. You always have to pay the cornerstones like Eli, Tuck, eventually Nicks and Manningham. Then there’s guys like Webster or Thomas that we drafted a high pick, might mean you’re less inclined to pay one of them (or cut one in the case of Webster).
The Pats did their thing with aging veterans. You’ll always see a guy like Boss leave, or someone in Smith’s situation leave. But aside from players like Osi, McKenzie and Diehl there’s really no cornerstones that are close to being shown the door. There’s no Ted Washington or Lawyer Milloy or Willie McGinist here just yet.
As Reese continues to learn the GM job he’ll more likely not hand out these big FA deals in the same offseason like he did with Canty, Bernard and Boley too.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Part of why JR won't hand out big money all at once in FA
He’s building depth, so you’re unlikely to need as many guys all at once
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
true.
@ you last sentence – I think Reese is already changing. He seems very confident and dedicated in giving his draft picks playing time; and I don’t think he’s going to buy top FAs anymore. He basically even said it, when he mentioned that in 07 they didn’t do anything big in free agency.
It’s fun watching your team get after top FAs, but I think the better route is to home grow them yourself.
HOW DARE YOU!!!!
lol, kidding of course. Considering this is now a pretty young team, they are in a retooling stage and will do it next year too fix other problems that come up.
Having said that, if they start off hot, then drag and miss the postseason again… TC should go.
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lol that's exactly what I was trying to avoid lmao.
But what if we start off cold and finish the season hot and still not make the playoffs. Do you think he deserves to stay?
ummm
thats a good question. I’d still say go… Give Perry the keys to the team.
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree onTC
He’s not bad, but you can’t keep missin the playoffs with this roster
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
if TC has to go
I say let’s bring in a young coach. It’s something we really haven’t done since Parcells
Let's Go Giants!!!!
why not perry fewel?
I love the guys energy.
by wrxsti28 on Aug 16, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
its not like PF
is an old man, he’s 48
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I think Tom Coughlin is a great coach, but the type of HC he is no longer works in the NFL. I understand that players are under contract to work their hardest no matter what, but players don’t like to players don’t like playing for coaches like him. Even if you look at Bill Belichick. Most people think he’s a strict disciplinarian, but he actually isn’t. He’s more of a down to earth coach and I know players love playing for coaches like that.
I think someone like Perry Fewell can keep this team motivated till our season is over. I just hope he drops KG lol.
Hope this is a joke
You guys thinking any of that is crazy… Right?
Whats crazy is anyone thinking this doesn’t happen EVERYWHERE… Just like hGH.. You play by one rule in sports, dont get caught…
-Just some insight from an “in the know”
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
I meant "crazy" as in - it's crazy that this stuff goes on...
even though everybody knows about it.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
Gotcha
They should just pay these men who bring these universities tons of money.. tons of it…
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
it does seem like these kids deserve something...
It’s really a 4 year job interview for some of these kids. So, you could argue that they are compensated with an education (not all though) and a shot at the NFL.
I don’t know how they would make it fair though if they started to compensate the players additionally.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
It will be a sticky situation
The school and coaches enable the problem, They allow the fake classes, bought teachers, tudors taken athletes online course(FSU, not just the big sports might i add).. These football stars and basketball stars sometimes dont even belong in college, some of these kids dont have an 8th grade reading level…
So this 4 year degree they earn, is it really even useful for them.. Come on you see them come in for an interview at your job, do you reall even consider the guy? I dont know man everyone is chasing the buck.. This is all about the money, every angle of it.
These things are deep, the NCAA just covers its ass, they are enablers as well…
Helping some of the best college players pass urine test, just an example. Everyone has a price and no one feels bad if they turn their and head and didnt see what just happened even if they know whats taken place…
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
I'm with you...
The corruption at higher levels is the biggest problem. If a player benefits due to his position then how wrong could that really be? So, a kid gets a kick-back or a favor from someone locally…big deal. Can you blame them though? A lot of these guys came from nothing so they see the money and it impossible to turn it down.
It all comes down to your point of certain parties being enablers…that’s the root of the problem.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
yes sir...
Here’s a good one from pft
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/16/hester-wilfork-among-players-named-in-miami-mess/
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Wild is right!
But this part stuck out to me
“William Joseph had been drafted by the Oakland Raiders by the time this photo was taken.”
Wrong Yahoo… Giants drafted him in 2003
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They fixed it already
it now says …had been drafted by the NYG by the time this photo was taken.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
that was quick, I just had it up like 3 mins ago.
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lol I know
I looked at the article literally as soon as you posted, and it was fixed.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
why god why......
Do we still have the same special teams coach. ??? He shoulda been fired after the D Jax fiasco last season. And someone please tell me how Clint Sintim still has a spot on this team. Gettin real tired of the “potential” that him and Aaron “red light green light” Ross supposedly have…. new to posting but have followed this site religiously for some time now. Keeps me sane. Giant fan relocated to Chief territory. And I know this statement is off subject but I had to get it off my chest…
by kadensdad on Aug 16, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
these questions baffle us all
I can promise you that
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
Its craziness brother. Pure craziness. Then I read good ol’ J.R. all of a sudden renigs on the playoff run comment. Smh. Glad Deion Grant made it back to the team.
by kadensdad on Aug 16, 2011 7:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a buddy of mine
just told me about the JR back-tracking. Come on Jerry, just stick to your statement man, no need to fuel the media even more.
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
see...now that is more disappointing than the game last weekend
at some point someone has to actually stand for something with this team.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
Where you at?
I’m in downtown KC.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Aug 16, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What they call “up north” the Liberty area. Not that I dislike the Chefs. .. yeah I said Chefs. Lol. But it bugged me out their dedication to their team out here. Swear to god the grocery store has a section where u can buy chiefs t shirts etc. I bought a Big Brother Peyton Jersey just to Jack with the folks out here. They start talkin bout playoffs I start talkin bout how peyton smoked em that one good year they had. Lol
by kadensdad on Aug 16, 2011 8:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I root for them when I can...
pretty good fans out here. Good fan base. And still the best tailgate I’ve been too…
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Aug 16, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
True. I’ll give it to em on that. They’ve got great tailgating and the fans are pretty good. They don’t jump ship. Like how back home a lot of clowns jumped to tony homo and the cowgirls and I’m pretty sure after this preseason everybody be on Philly’s Jock strap. Can’t wait til our safeties lay the lumber and the Hynocerous and Jacobs steam roll em like he did Laron Landry.
by kadensdad on Aug 16, 2011 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why did those three dumb-asses
fall down on each other like bowling pins? I’m pretty sure that they weren’t coached to do that.
We are 5 mil under but the Rams are only 270,000 under
Who do they have that is robbing them???
The greatest player ever!!!
Sam Bradford
Jason Smith and Chris Long
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Steven Jackson and Bradford are like 50% of their cap. That's who.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
So apparently Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips got improper benefits while at the U
This doesn’t surprise me, I’d say 75% of college athletes violate that rule, just a few get caught.
Makes me wonder if they’d be 1st round picks if this was outed before they were drafted…
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
Butch Davis always got a ton of talent at the U and UNC
but he’s killed them both
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
rolle allegations
Says Rolle went all in. Doesn’t shock me in the least.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Uh yea, CAM NEWTON........ nuff said.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
I don't like your name
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
that was blunt
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
Got the point across, eh?
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
When I come to a thread
I search for “gham” so I see whether anyone is talking about Manningham. Now I have to sift through your posts.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
LMAO
sorry, gotta rep our best weapon.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so you know
I’m the president of his fan club. You’re just a member.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Ah, but I'm his biggest fan.
Your move, sir.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You're an imposter
No Giants fan was talking up Manningham before I did.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
No need for the name calling.
I followed him in college, when he was the best WR in college football, and was making spectacular plays every week, with Adrian Arrington next to him. When the Giants drafted him, I knew it was a matter of time before he got on the field and showed the entire league why he was the best player in college football for the better part of 2 years.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's the New Yorker in me
but I didn’t see imposter as name-calling. Just some ribbing.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
EIther way, I forgive you.
Me and Super Mario are hanging out this weekend, probably smoke a couple blunts. Just thought I’d let you know :)
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
ha!
Maybe this is the real #82 that I’m replying to?
My next question is:
Why are you not immediately searching for “Bomar” like everyone else does when they visit?
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
Dude, you have to get in with the in crowd.
searching for Bomar was soooo 2010. Now the cool kids are searching for Perrilloux. It’s the coolest thing to do nowadays.
Eli says he's in the same class as Tom Brady
say what you want about Eli, but he’s got his swagger right this year, and I fking love it.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
How will the media spin this statement?
by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 16, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
basically with a lot of LULZ
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh u know they’ll talk about him bein inaccurate and inconsistent. But wont mention how certain folks caused a lot of that with their cases of the dropsies. (TE we who went to play for the cryptkeeper. Even tho I liked the guy. He dropped the ball quite a bit )
by kadensdad on Aug 16, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can dig it like a shovel said it brother.
by kadensdad on Aug 16, 2011 8:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eli is getting killed by the
“Night Of The Living Braindead” crew over at ESPN NY for saying what he said. Actually, for what he didn’t say. They make it sound as if he said he was as good as Brady. He said that he was in the same class. Two different things.
saw that coming from a mile away.
No way the media doesn’t twist same class into as good as. It’s their job.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing I personally banned sports talk and such
cause all day tomorrow your gonna hear from:
Pat fans – he is not even close to Tom
Steeler fans – he is not even close to Ben
Jet fans – Sanchez will surpass him this year
Eagle fans – not better then Vick
Cowboy fans – not better then Romo
Skin fans – not better then…. hahahaha… could not even get that out
Haters in general – no where near his brother, should of kept Rivers
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
the redskins one is priceless…
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
there's a Fan Post with the link
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed out loud literally when I heard it,
But I’m loving it though. I so wish Eli was more of a talker. I think everyone should have a lil bit of that trash talk in them. Even if you’re a terrible player.
calling Rex Grossman
Hey coughlin, heard there’s an opening in Cleveland. You should fit right in….. Loser!
I think Coach Coughlin should be fired! How come there are no locals in that line-up. Nothing to give the fans a name they know, nobody on that roster that went to Rutgers University, St Johns or any team from New York or New Jersey. And if the locals can’t get a shot on the franchise from the state they live in, why are we fans going to these games. To see some other state, and see our players play for foreign teams (other states) this is the first time in 20 years, the Giants don’t have any locals on their roster.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 16, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants will win the SuperBlow this season
nuff said
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
They must get into the playlets first
"I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious" - Eli Manning
by Giants Fly High on Aug 16, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
giantspathanlon pat hanlon
RT @Giants: The #Giants have signed Kicker Rhys Lloyd..more shortly #nyg
by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 16, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
A week or two stop gap for Tynes.
Tynes said he’d be able to practice this week, but he won’t play Monday night, and probably not the 3rd game against the Jets either.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats cool
As long as he kicks us into the SB again Im fine with not playing preseason.
The greatest player ever!!!
Rhys is a cool name.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
+1
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 16, 2011 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
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