Steve Smith Still Disputing Giants' Version Of Events
by Ed Valentine on Aug 12, 2011 4:12 PM EDT
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PrintSteve Smith might be a Philadelphia Eagle, but he still apparently has not moved on from the New York Giants. Smith has again taken to his Facebook page to dispute the reports that the Giants had offered him a five-year, $35-million before he got hurt.
"For those of you saying the giants offered me a 5 yr $35 million contract w/$15 million guaranteed before i got hurt- thats news to me bc if that happened i would have signed it and done back flips on my way to practice !!"
My advice to Steve is similar to what I would say to you guys. Let it go already. Smith is an Eagle, and he really isn't doing himself any favors by continuing to use his Facebook page -- where he has been getting destroyed, in some cases rather grotesquely -- to try and win support from Giants fans, or at least explain himself.
Giants fans need to move on and focus on rooting for the players in Giants uniforms. Smith needs to quit worrying about the Giants and the reaction of Giants fans. He chose to go wear Eagles colors, so he needs to live with that and stop trying to explain himself.
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First you bounce
Now you try and pretend like your JPP or somethin?
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I agree with everything you said Ed
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 12, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Ditto
I saw this post on facebook and my thought was… "geez Steve, let it go…. "
by uberfunction on Aug 12, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Let him set the record straight!
At least he wants the fans to know the truth.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 12, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
yep yep
Seemed like a good guy. won a super bowl with him. Let him speak his peace and then we’ll all move on.
We may never know who's telling the truth...
I, for one, am on the Giants side. I believe it was even reported last year after he got hurt and some writers were saying the Giants got lucky he chose to test free agency.
And he must feel some guilt over going to the Eagles for the $, which in this sport I can’t blame him. But he’s got to stop trying to keep Giants fans on his side. He’s moved on to the enemy so he shouldn’t be surprised he is now the hated. Good luck to him and I hope when he plays the Giants KP knocks his lights out.
Coincident?
He flies to NJ to meet with the Giants from CA then the next day he signs with the Eagles. Too fishy?
Really
It is HIS Facebook page, no one is putting a gun to anyone’s head to visit HIS page!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 12, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Ed
he’s only damaging his own reputation now, the need for the last word, incensed over the offer the Giants had on the table
And he’s responding to fan comments
ANDI – I’m more in line with you now – DIVA
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I don't know if he is incensed
I think he is hurt. But, hey, he left and he has put himself out there with the social media. So, he had to know he was going to get ripped. I’m glad a lot of what was said on Facebook was not said here. There would have been bannings all over the place.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 12, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
we already know
the fans on BBV are much smarter & classier than those on facebook. Just take a look at the comdey thread to confirm that. We’re all upset he left for the enemy’s money but I don’t think any of us wish him ill.
BTW
I think he is hurt
So are we Steve.
Nobody wins the SB in August
Didn't mean to put words in your mouth
That’s my interpretation of his statements
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
It his page right?
If you choose to visit, that’s really your choice, am I missing something here?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 12, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth or not...
Dude, you left…. frickin deal and get over it….. trust me, we already are….even if your still gettin pounded on your facebook, everybody there is over it too…. we wer over it when it happend…. but we can still give our opinion if we choose, so you would be smart to grow a pair and live with it.
Just Shut Up Already
Seriously, no one cares about this anymore. He knows that he’s full of it and he wants Giants fans to not hate him but sorry, once you put on the jersey of another team, you are now the enemy….
He wants to make it look like the Giants are the reason he’s not with us anymore when the reality is he wanted the money. He was never loyal to the Giants. I could see if he was never offered a contract but if he really wanted to be a Giant, he would be. But no, he wanted the guaranteed money because he knows like the rest of us that he has no idea what his knee is going to do. He already wasn’t that fast to begin with, coming back from microfracture surgery isn’t something that is going to be easy and is going to effect the separation he gets from dbs…he’s not ready and he knows it, Giants know it and the fans know it.
+1
Just because the GM dropped the ball, don’t blame the messenger.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 12, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously the thousands of giants fans posting on his page still care and aren’t “over it” yet. So in some ways I respect that he’s trying engage the fans, but the problem is that he’s engaging with lowest common denominator, scum of the earth segment of the fanbase. And those people aren’t worth engaging, not from any team.
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I don't know...
I think I would have loved to have Smith along forever, though I admit I miss the good old days when players stayed around longer, instead of jumping for cash at every chance.
I would have still been a fan of Smith, had he gone to any other team outside the NFC East but I can’t like anyone on the Eagles.
Still I wonder, if we didn’t get lucky here. We have some amazing young talent in receivers, who have played very well, with and without Steve in the line up. If Steve goes down again this year, our buddies the Eagles, will have thrown away a lot of money.
Steve.....
thanks for all you did while you were here. It’s appreciated. Now move on. I remembered when Tiki left and I thought we could never accomplish anything without him and we all know what happened right after he left. So long Mr. Smith.
well said!
Maybe Mrs. Smith will let you borrow your pair back so A. Rolle can make you eat em for lunch!
by leviathen2003 on Aug 12, 2011 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I’ve moved on, as most fans here have. Looks like he can’t becuase he likes the Facebook attention he gets.
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
his problem is high need to feel loved and appreciated. . .
By the fans connected to him in social media, and by the team who went into negotiations with him and made an offer that hurt his fee fees. He wanted a big hugfest family, found out it’s a business, personalized the negotiations and made his own business decision.
Fine, good for him. He made his business decision.
But let go the big fuzzy family fantasy. The fans were with the team before you, and they will be with the team now that you’re gone. Move on. You can’t take them with you. Philly fans will be a lot more brutal than NY fans ever were, trust me.
Steve, if you want warm fuzzy devotion, get a dog.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
but then mike vick might...
ahh nvm ill leave it alone :D
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont understandd
Does he expect the entire nyg fanbase to still like him? I mean I’m against people telling him to go die and what not. But really at this point its over. We will see you soon steve and I’m glad we play the eagles at home towards the end of the season.
by wrxsti28 on Aug 12, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yes, that is actually what he wants
He thinks his fans were all his fans.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Last I checked, this was still America.
If someone is spreading misinformation about you, it is perfectly with your right to refute such claims. SS is simply doing that. I think that he really wanted to be a Giant but the money wasn’t there. His persistence in making sure that Giants fans understands what truly happened shows his love for NY fans. Give the guy a break already.
28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 12, 2011 4:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yeah i have no problem with him posting this
i mean its his own facebook page, the only people going there are people still looking for information about him. its not like hes reaching out to current giants fans. its the bitter fans who can let it go that are going after him.
and i cant fault the decision to take the money over staying with the giants. its the guy’s job. to expect differently is absurd.
that said, steve smith is dead to me now i hope we pound him into oblivion week 3, if he can even take the field.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
+1
28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
your kidding right!
It is either business or personal — u can’t have it both ways! For him to go to the friggin eagles is a slap in the face! Don’t piss on me and tell me its raining!
by leviathen2003 on Aug 12, 2011 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Move on....
enjoy your SHORT stay in Philly…..try to avoid getting hit with any batteries!!!
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Two battries at jd drew ten years ago...
Let it go, those are the same people that are posting on SS Facebook.
Flaming yawn
no said he's not within his rights to say what he wants
Instead, people are saying his judgment in keeping the whole topic alive is not so good, especially with his tone while doing it.
Maybe they’re right about that, and maybe not.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
He clearly did not want to leave
and its obvious because that is his 3rd post in 2 days trying to win the giants fans back. there are a lot of eagles getting on his facebook everyday and their “welcome to philly” comments are starting to overpower the “die! fuck you! i hope ur knee breaks!” comments from giants fans. he definitely has that feeling in his gut like his gf just dumped him
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
I agree...
I think he is regretting leaving and now he’s trying to justify as much as he can when he should just let it go and move on
Or maybe...
It’s like dumping the girl and shes going all over town badmouthing you and spreading rumours and you feel a need to set the record straight.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Aug 12, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well
Trying to remain friends after the break up rarely works.
Trying to be friends when you slept with the worst enemy as a first order of business never works.
Go Giants!
LMAO.
PERFECT ANALOGY.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
from our perspective, yes
from steve smith’s perspective all he did was leave the applebees he was working at as a server to be a manager at the applebees across town.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
That Applebees that he went to never wins the "Best Applebees" award, though.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
agreeed
it’s time to move on. It is what it is.
To be fair
That’s a pretty big point that needs to be made.
This $35 million contract has been reported basically as fact. If I was Steve and this contract wasn’t offered to me, I would want to make it clear that the reports aren’t true. You can try to say “Steve needs to move on” or you can accept the truth and allow Steve to get the the truth out there.
It’s not like this is old news or anything. He did only sign with the Eagles two days ago…
yeah. anyone have a source for that original report of the offer?
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Wasn't it from the NY Post?
I doubt that they would divulge their source.
29 other team
he could have chosen but he chose our most hated rival
bingo
thats it…. i will never forgive him for this. and there are many like me living in central/north jersey who feel the same way.
DIEEEEE EAGLES DIEEEEEEEE
(mocking flyyyy eagles flyyyy if u didnt get the reference right there)
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well, technically, could only choose someone who made him an offer
I doubt that was 29 other teams.
I’m sure he went with the highest bidder, anyway.
And I still think Philly is hedging against possibly losing Maclin for the year and Jackson to FA next year.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
not so fast
The eagles were probally the only team that offered him 4mill I’m pretty sure this guy was making 500,000 every yr. To be fair its only a one yr contract.. djax.. jerry jones would love to meet with your circa 2012 march please.
by wrxsti28 on Aug 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh wow i mean reese.. somebody slap me
by wrxsti28 on Aug 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he chose the money.
28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 12, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
still..
if he really cared what the fans thought of him, he woulda gone somewhere else.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
dont worry
When Moss takes his spot as the 5th WR on the team… All will be as it should be.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
KP is the tell in this...
SS12 signed only a 1 yr deal.. if ur him think about it, u dont know what the knee is going to do or how it will respond. I understand its the iggles but thats 2 mil he can pocket now and 4 if he can make it through the season… only this season. The giants are almost in unfirmiliar territory now having 2 guys need this surgery. Lets see how KPs knee reacts to the surgery first…if hes what we think he can be great and if not then we know if we should get ss12 back. I feel like thats what JR means when he said they gave a responsible offer. The giants dont wanna get big monies tied up in a player who cant be effective anymore.. ala al davis.
2 mil he can pocket now and 4 if he can make it through the season… only this season.
Something tells me he needs to do more than just make it through the season. Not that 2 mill or 4 mill is that big of a difference either way… but I remember reading that the 4 million is unlikely-to-be-earned incentives.
The contract will more than likely just be $2 million.
even still...
The giants in this are worried about the future, so if he cant make an impact than theres no reason to sign him since we will all complain about how hes no good. Football is tough to begin with but injuries make it tougher.
All the ignorant Giants' fans stop threatening and attacking him.
They need to understand that it’s a business and he has the right to go wherever he wants. I’m sure he won’t be last Giant to go to another team.
true
I expect TT, Goff and Ross to be the same boat next year.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
Ross can go
TT, Goff and Manningham will hopefully be resigned before the season ends.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 12, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It's part of the biz man
He courted em, I was one of em (though only 2x or so a commenter), his FB page was very clingy it encouraged the kind of relationship that ends this way
There is a simple way for him to end it, kill the page
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I think he should be doing this
Honestly, right now people are trying to paint him as one of the disloyal merc players that couldn’t care less about his team. He is trying to protect his reputation from false accusations being put against him and I commend that. A man should be able to defend himself when people are lying about him to make him look bad. The more I hear the less I feel Steve Smith should be blamed. I have no ill will towards him and I hope he continues to have a great career (on a losing team that in no way does well against the Giants heh).
but a good PR strategy would. . .
say and do nothing for a while until things calm down, then do an Inside the Lines or some other interview where he can get more of his side out in his way once everyone else has more or less moved on.
That’s something his agent should be telling him, but I’m not sold on the idea this agent is the most professional or smartest dude in the profession.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Kevin Boss is saying goodbye to us on twitter as we speak
2 of 6 tweets have been posting and the other 4 are being posted now
(1 of 6) With everything happening so fast last week I didn’t have a chance to say proper goodbyes to my fans in NY…
(2 of 6)The last 4 yrs have been the best 4 yrs of my life and u guys the fans are what made it unforgettable!
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
(3 of 6) And a special thanks to the fans who have stood by my side and respected the difficult decision I made for my family
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
(4 of 6) With that being said I am so excited about this next chapter in my life and so proud to be an Oakland Raider!
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
(5 of 6) Thank u to the fans of #RaiderNation who have welcomed me with open arms and made this transition easier for me!
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
(6 of 6) I’m here to work my tail off and do whatever it takes to help this organization “just win baby, win!” Go #Raiders !
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for the blow by blow Blood.
KB has always be a class act in my book. He helped bring a championship to NY and I think the least that we can do is repay him by wishing him well in his future endeavors. At least those endeavors that do not involve preventing us from obtaining another Champioship.
28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 12, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
KB is the kind of guy you'd like your sister to marry
Just a first class guy all the way.
Go Giants!
+89
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
what a difference
had he gone to an NFC East team, we’d be cursing his name.
Nobody wins the SB in August
exactly
i still respect boss, unlike our previous #3 that left.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
now that's a much more professional PR strategy
he took a little time, then he makes a classy, positive statement.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
agreed
props to kevin boss. i will give him a round of applause should i ever be in the stadium for a giants raiders game
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
However
He’s also not being attacked in the media by his former team and its fans.
by Midnight Blue on Aug 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The Eagles didn’t offer him the highest bid.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
agreed Ed
The day I heard the news I instantly went to my Facebook and remove myself. I don’t care what happened or his side. He did what he felt was best for him. My advice to Steve. Buck up be a man and stop trying to justify your choice to giants fans that aren’t going to listen. Delete them and hope to get some eagles fans that support half as much as we did.
by hit_hard on Aug 12, 2011 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mostly because he handled the whole process professionally from the get go
And I don’t think SS and his agent have done that, purely from the public record, not from anything the Giants say on or off the record.
SS spent months on social media talking about how he was coming back to the Giants. Then everyone got whiplash when he didn’t. And then his first message to social media was criticizing the Giants, that they didn’t really “want” him.
It was a clown car of setting expectations the wrong way and then going negative right after the surprise decision.
Meanwhile, Boss said he would love to come back but would fully test the market. And he did. So he set expectations in a professional, responsible manner and never added any negativity into the mix.
From a PR perspective, it was little league versus major league.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
by AJ_in_VA on Aug 12, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're making too much sense
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 12, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly!
rec’d
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Boss can grab a ball too
you want to go and piss off in Oakland, fine.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
This is the most bizarre offseason story I can remember
Between the injury, the deal delay, where he went, and for how much, to TC coming ever so close to calling out the Giants front office. The fog surrounding the whole thing is very unusual.
That said, who cares really? This was very important 2 days ago… not anymore.
I have to admit...
I find the whole thing fascinating. Unless you want to bury your head in the sand I think Giants fans should too. Depending on how this all plays out and how soon Smith can effectively return to the field, people may be learning a bit of the internal workings of the front office and how they deal with their players.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Aug 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
me, personally
I am very interested… how healthy he really turns out to be will tell a whole lot about what was going on the whole time. The arguing on the internet about who said what part is pretty tired already though, I’m not sure there are any more angles to cover on this particular story. If he is playing back to form by 3/4 of the way through the season, the Giants FO is going to have some explaining to do I’d say. Until that happens or doesn’t happen though…
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 12, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It is fascinating
From all points… but the Facebook aspect of it is alot of he said. she said. I am intrested to see if/when he plays this year and how good he can be.
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he practicing yet?
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
He's supposed to be ready to PRACTICE in 4-6 weeks
Call it 5
Add 4 weeks of practice to learn and get up to speed
Add 3 games to get into game shape
So im guessing around Thanksgiving we find out what he has this year
Would be no shock to me if he has a single setback that the Eagles cut him loose, 2M is 2M
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
yeah
this timetable would not shock me.
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand this site.
Its his facebook page, Ed. He’s allowed to post what he wants. If he feels that the public is being lied to and that the Giants FO is lying to the public, he has a right to defend himself.
What if he is telling the truth? What if he wanted to stay, and wanted to be here? What if the Giants never sent him that 5 year offer, and we were lied to about that?
I for one appreciate hearing both sides of the story, and I would love to know the actual truth.
If you are sick of hearing Smith tell his side of the story, than don’t post on his facebook and don’t make posts or comment on here bashing him, since you are just bringing more coverage to the story.
So far SS and TC have called out Jerry Reese on this. Who do we believe?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
by Moshe52792 on Aug 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Calling out was the wrong word.
He essentially said that the Giants didn’t get a chance to offer. Smith’s agent said he never promised that chance, which is nothing more than a luxury, and JR said the Giants were promised.
It depends on who’s telling the truth. If Smith’s agent lied, that he’s scum. If JR lied, than he lied to Coughlin as well, and if the truth comes out I doubt TC would be happy with that.
If SS is telling the truth, TC is calling our JR.
I didn’t word that properly initially
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I actually think
The Giants did believe they were promised a chance to match or opt not to match best offer before he walked. I believe this in part because TC said so, and in part because it looks from the outside like their negotiation strategy relied on precisely that belief. I strongly doubt JR misled TC on that front at all as well, because JR would have kept TC in the loop the whole way, not just after SS walked.
So, either SS’s agent and JR talked and JR thought he was promised something that he wasn’t, due to miscommunication (possible), or SS’s agent didn’t deliver on a promise he actually made (also possible). And either way, it’s probable SS would only have his agent’s word on that one way or the other.
So, would SS’s agent have any incentive to deceive the Giants and make such a promise in bad faith? Possibly, if he thought SS wanted to stay in NY enough to offer a home town discount, which would reduce the agent’s percentage of the deal. It’s speculative, but these things do happen with agents, even real estate agents.
In the end we don’t know. But it sounded more to me like TC was calling out SS’s agent, and not JR.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
There’s also a possibility that JR promised something and he didn’t come through with it. That seemed to be the argument Osi used. Not saying there is merit behind it, but it is a possibility.
We are all Giant fans, not SS fans, so of course we are tempted to believe him. I’m just stating that it is possible JR is lying to us, TC, and SS and his agent.
But you make some really good points.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Well SS and his agent are not saying JR lied, though that is Osi's claim
From what I can recall, Osi is the only one to have made that claim about JR. And also, even Osi’s description of what he said JR promised him leaves it very open to assume that Osi did not even live up to his side of the unwritten deal to get that top 5 money (he did not have 3 top caliber years).
Cofield and his agent said JR handled everything like a pro. We have a public dispute between SS’s camp and the Giants over how it all played out.
Of course JR could have lied, but I don’t see any incentive for him to have done so. I just can’t find it.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Well, if JR is claiming that he was offered a chance to match, and SS’s agent never offered that, he is lying.
There’s always two sides of course.
As for incentive, the only think I can think of is making the Giants FO look like victims of circumstance rather than dropping the ball.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I guess. . .
Though if he believed he was promised a final option to match, and he actually misunderstood and never confirmed it, then that itself is a bit of dropping the ball.
Though miscommunications in negotiations happen all the time, and not just in football. I think the simplest explanation for this whole thing is more about miscommunications and misunderstandings than probable lying, from either side.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
this
im betting MISCOMMUNICATION was the whole thing. Picture this. JR & Dogra (SS AGENT) are discussing the terms on the phone.
Dogra says, “We were expecting more so we’re gonna wait & see if another team comes in with a better offer. We’re not even healthy enough to play yet. We’ll just take up a roster spot & cap space that you probably need.”
JR “Okay, well just let us know if something comes up & we can discuss the # again”
Dogra “yeah, yeah, sure.” (click)
JR was expecting the counter option. Dogra never promised anything.
Nobody wins the SB in August
well, fair or unfair
we are fans, and this is a blog. If he can justify his reasoning, we can attack it.
I’m not happy that Steve went to the Eagles, and I’m not happy that the FO let him go. If people are unhappy with it, Steve doesn’t have to have a public fbook account….I agree tho its classless what alot of peeps are saying.
If we don’t have both sides of the story though, I agree with you, we can’t objectively judge. However, fandom is subjective in its identity. Do I root for the Giants? Or Steve Smith? The answer is easy on that one, so until I know who is wrong or not, I know where I’m giving the benefit of the doubt.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
My point is that is completely hypocritical to bash Steve for defending himself on his own site, when we bash him on this blog.
Thats all..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
by Moshe52792 on Aug 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with that.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
I never said Ed bashed him. I said we, as in all of us collectively.
And “good” is subjective. IMO, the best advice is to stand up for yourself and always speak the truth. If that’s the case, and SS is telling the truth, than ED’s advice would be considered “bad”.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
We'll have to disagree
I think Steve would be better off following Ed’s advice in either case. FWIW, I think Steve is telling the truth, but is still wrong. I suspect, with no evidence I admit, that he may not have been given the full story by his agent. I haven’t seen any convincing evidence that Reese lies in the years that he’s been here. As others have said here, Cofield went out of his way to say that the Giants were straightforward. I’ve frequently heard Giants management described as classy. I think you could make an argument that it is not a “fun” team or a “player’s” team, but I don’t think liars holds up.
TC called out JR?
not anywhere that I saw. What are you referring to?
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I really wish that people would
let this team loyalty issue go. I think it’s pretty clear that the modern athlete plays for money, period. If lifelong Giants of the past like LT, Simms, Carson, Martin had had the chance to take advantage of free agency, do you really believe that they wouldn’t have? How much do you think LT would have been worth on the open market? In general, these guys have one chance in their lives to get financially fixed for life, and who would blame them for taking advantage of it? I would love to see guys like Tuck, Eli, and Hakeem spend long and productive careers with the Giants, but if somebody else wants to give them a lot more money, they will probably jump at the opportunity also.
Hey Steve, shut up
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Any other team but Philly and Dallas,I'd be ok
we’ve moved on and replaced waaaaaayyyyyyy better players Tiki,Shockey,Plax,Stray,AP.
But a side note is that I don’t think they will re-sign him b/c they will have to pay Desean more..watch SS be a cowboy by 2012.
they can't stop us
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 12, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
Dallas does need a WR, but Smith would play the slot.
That’s if Dwyane Harris doesn’t keep up his good play. Kid was a beast last night.
Residing on the BEast Coast.
its only preseason,tho
i don’t think i want him back after this..the friggin’ iggies,for crying out loud!
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Really seems like Steve Smith thinks he made the wrong decision.
From what this seems is he loves NY and loved being apart of the Giants organization. He thought he felt more love from Philly management so he went there. In the end he really wants to be a Giant. This is why he’s trying to explain himself so much.
Residing on the BEast Coast.
Or maybe he doesn’t think he made the wrong decision, but just felt that it was his only available decision, which upsets him because he wanted to remain a Giant. We honestly don’t know.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I think we call agree on that, most definitely.
Also, if his knee is that bad and he isn’t confident he’ll be able to play at the level he did in 2009, we can’t blame him for signing with the highest bidder.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I don't even like the Giants or Eagles for that matter, but
I’ve liked Steve Smith’s play. Great 3rd down WR. That 9 yard curl play was hard to stop.
Residing on the BEast Coast.
Yup. Despite what everyone says, we’ll miss him.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yeah, I think he wanted to be a Giant
and he wanted to get paid. He may have been willing to let the Giants have something of a hometown discount, as long as it wasn’t too much.
But his agent might not have liked that idea to much. If he’s an ethical agent he tells his client everything and lets him decide, even if it means less money for the agent. And in fairness to the agent, that seems to be precisely what he did for Nnamdi.
My guess is there were misunderstandings and miscommunications, and with another agent, Smith might still be a Giant.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Seems like the most likely scenario.
Although I’ve down some research and there doesn’t seem to be any negative comments about the agent, as there are for some others.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Well said Ed
You want to make your money? You and your family come first? If the best way for you to do that is to be an eagle, then be an eagle. Big Blue for life. There arent any traders over here. He’s trying to get us to side with him.
He needs buckle his damn chin strap come wk 3! Screw ’em$
by brandon7 on Aug 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As if none of the other 30 teams would offer him anything/I'm with ya about wk 3..go KP21!
the rest of this he said,she said stuff seems petty
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 12, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you mean piss on Steve..but I could be wrong
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 12, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
off, on, doesn't matter
I don’t care what he wants to dispute. He’s an Egg now.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I hear Maclin's still out with his mystery illness..
they ain’t sh!t
Steve Smith is the Judas Iscariot of NYG Football
we've replaced waaayyy better players than him
they can't stop us
SMASHMOUT
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 12, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
On another forum they say it might be bone cancer
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 13, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If so, I hope he heals as quickly as possible and defeats that monster.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Kick back relax, grab a couple of beers, read SS FB page and laugh a little...
a nice Friday night, before my Giants play the Panthers tomorrow :)
sigh**
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
How could he do backflips on the way to practice...
WIth that bum knee?
the Eagheads don't care
as long as he’s not a Giant, they’ll guarantee him the $2mil. They scurred.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Of green bay? Maybe.
Of the giants? I’m not so sure about that.
Flaming yawn
Eagles fans are never sure
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If anybody its
sounds like the Giants are unsure considering all this vaccilating on SS story.
Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.-Oscar Wilde
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
He who rides a tiger cannot dismount-JHH
Philly's still Philly, and there's nothing Smith can do about that
same goes for that Mutt Murdering Scumbag Vick
Let it be
We won’t miss him. We have lots of receivers with great talent and healthy just waiting for a chance to play..
I can't speak for everyone but
it is EMBARRASSING to see the hatred towards SS-GONE. Why anyone would wish this kid or his family any harm is disgusting.
What good does it do to hurl insults via your keyboard to a man who isn’t a Giant anymore? Please, all it accomplishes is making you look a bit crazy.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
by nywins42 on Aug 12, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
+1
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
agreed
no excuse to curse out him and his family. I was mad as hell, but not that mad to be a “facebook thug”
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I’m putting the final nail in the coffin on this SS saga for me.
All in all, I am forever grateful for what Steve Smith did for us in his time here. I will never forget all the 3rd down conversions he’s made for us, how clutch he was, and his performance in the Superbowl. That Steve Smith will always be remembered with fond memories.
I respect the fact that he’s done what he needs to do to help himself and his family. I wish him no ill will and I hope he squeezes as much money from the Eagles that he can. He unfortunately is the enemy now, nothing I can do about it. I have to treat him like I would treat Desean Jackson: boo the everlasting shit out of him.
Hope you’re ready for some rough times, Steve, because we’re bringing it right to you and your team this year.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
True that
It’s all about the NY Football Giants not one player. It’s the history,It’s the 3 superbowls,It’s the classy orginization. It’s about bleeding blue. Team Giants.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I'll raise you one
DEE-fence. Changed the way the word was spoken.
How many teams do that!
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
People are crazy but
Thats why i love this site because we are real fans Obsessed fans but real.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
he really doesnt wanna be there
if he is still talking hopelessly trying to explain why he went there
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
thats apparent, but hes just trying to explain himself as if theres more to it
hes just throwing fluff around the fact that they gave him more money, hes just another pro athlete, all about the money
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
nothing more to it..
it’s not even that crazy if you thnk about it. who wouldn’t do that for millions? i would
can any body tell me how Mark Herzlich is doing?
"What's Unbelieveable is Believeable Now"
Yay new topic!
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
he's got a good shot to make the roster I think.
I went to camp on Monday and he stood out to me. The rest is just from training camp reports that I hear.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hope he does.
"What's Unbelieveable is Believeable Now"
Here's an article.
Read what the LB coach said and then tell me how he doesn’t make the team. They love him.
Of course, Herzlich has already made quite an impression on the Giants.
“Herzlich, I love,” Giants linebackers coach Jim Herrmann said. “Obviously his sickness has really driven his focus to succeed — and he’s going to succeed. That’s just the way he is. Pretty much he was on his death bed and now he’s playing with the New York Giants.”
"It's kind of like the Garden. It's the same feel. It's special." - Deron Williams on the Barclays Center.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
now, whos actually gonna follow it? lol
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
nah
Buccs-Chiefs
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Now this
is the SUPERBLOW
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
are they showing Palmer on the sidelines?
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
like lil bro Palmer?
im sure the elder is kicking it somewhere warm
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
haha
"misinformed and don’t have your eyes open. It’s also clear you didn’t watch all the games. I’m correct, about that, aren’t I?"
"You seem to speak from a point of knowledge, when in fact its obvious you haven’t been watching. Certainly not all of the games. Those of us that have see the weaknesses, and the strengths of our team. You seem to have some blind faith that all is well."
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 12, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anybody
ever edited information on Wikipedia? I was thinking about putting in chuck norris like facts on his page and maybe doing that for the rest of the Giants.
can you tell im bored?
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
I have.
But if you post fake stuff they’ll ban your IP address.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Grossman
Is playing the whole first half……trting to win the NFC East
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
I guess I'm in the minority...
but as I didn’t think Smith would be able to return to his past level this year, I’m not that upset to let our other receivers get more passes thrown to them, let Smith take the Eagles money, and IF he can come back, and regain his prior level, sign with us after his year of rehabilitation on Philadelphia’s dough.
I did something I never do.
I just clicked on ‘add comment’ without reading any of this.
I could not care less. Steve Smith is so friggin gone it’s not even funny.
It says here he will fall into the category of guys that Jerry Reese let go at the right time.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
no no papi!
If you was true blue – your ass would come back for whateva Reese offered! Don’t front! You got that guaranteed money and you bounced! Its all good but don’t act like you care about giants nations now!
by leviathen2003 on Aug 12, 2011 11:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
Giants offer Osi new contract as per ProFootballTalk
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
Per ProFootballTalk
Umenyiora, per LaCanfora, has been offered $400,000 to $1 million in new money. The cash is tied to "incentives and production."
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 12, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
nvm
just read further….the arse still prefers to be traded.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 12, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Carlson and a 2nd
Great deal for both teams
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 13, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
piss off Osi by shipping him off to Seattle
for Aaron Curry straight up :)
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
and secret agents
#13 & #47
do i agree?
Look at this way.. you come into the league making nothing ( compared to high flying veterans).. now you made a huge production you sign to a huge contract 5 years ago and now what? Your making less money and producing more than most de’s would you be mad if you your in 30’s ? I would. I want more money I have maybe 4 yrs left in my career.. after that I have no real future. Seriously I understand us fans are man.. I am but let’s say he was makn 50K.. would your attitudes change if he was making an average salary?
by wrxsti28 on Aug 13, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
So am I. On bourbon.
And I still have zero worries about losing Smith.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Thats not the point.
The point is that he already made his money front-loaded. He signed a deal, on average, for 7 mil a year.
Since he signed that 4 years ago, he has only had one seasons where he was worth that money, one where he was worth somewhere between 0-7 and two where he wasn’t worth anything at all.
He has yet to earn the money he made in the beginning of his contract, so he should probably work on that before he requests more.
More importantly, how do you look at the screen and type without getting dizzy?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I don't know how to say this, but...
Everything is going to be ok.
Go on lemmings, the bridge is right there. Jump, but don't come back.
The Giants dragged their feet
and Smith took the money.
I don’t blame him one bit. Who knows what the truth is. I really don’t believe the Giants’ side of the story with the way the front office has handled business this offseason. They are scrambling to save face amid a storm of backlash from us.
Giants fans have been embarrassing the fanbase, acting like a bunch of butthurt babies by attacking Smith.
He’s gone. Get over it. Deal with it.
I wish nothing but the best for SS12, unless he’s playing against us.
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly what he said...have some class Giants fans...
and Stop attacking him. He said he felt unwanted and took the best offer on the table. I know it’s the Eagles and it hurts but let it go and let the man live.
He’s not the first Giant to sign with another team and sure won’t be the last. It’s a business. The sad thing is many of the angry fans that are bashing him on here or on his facebook page would do the same thing if they were in his situation. Stop making Giants’ fans look bad please.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
What I don't understand...
about this entire situation is how it benefits SS to leave without giving the Giants a chance to match or beat the Eagles’ offer? I can understand SS’s agent being cryptic about the offer when it was still in negotiations because it doesn’t make any business sense to peg a price on your players while while the market is still developing. Once the market has developed and one team has presented an offer that is much higher than another team’s offer doesn’t it make senses to take that offer and show it to the other team? If it is really about the money, don’t you want an opportunity to leverage your offer with a team that clearly wants you but may have undervalued you at first? It seems to me like SS didn’t WANT to be a Giant, otherwise I can’t understand his actions.
yes indeed
SS’s agent didn’t set up a proper auction. Even an auctioneer does the “going once, going twice sold” thing.
This agent says he told the Giants he had another offer. Okay, great. If you want to rep your client well, you tell the other interested bidder more than that. You say, “We have another offer and we’re about ready to accept it. If you can increase your offer, we’ll still consider you. What esle can you do beyond your initial offer?”
Then JR can say, “Can you give me a target so I know what we’re up against? I don’t want to waste your time, but we do want SS to come back to us. What would I have to do to bring SS back to the Giants?”
If SS’s agent doesn’t answer that question, then he’s not serious about negotiating with the Giants, and since he’s working for SS, then it’s reasonable to assume SS is not that interested in returning to the Giants after all, for whatever reason.
But according to SS’s agent, no conversation like that ever took place. He only says he told the Giants he had another offer and blamed the Giants for making only one offer that was too low. But as an agent, he never tried to get more money out of them.
I would NEVER hire that kind of negotiator as my agent.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
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