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Jerry Reese Guides Giants Into A Changing Of The Guard

As the dust begins to settle from Steve Smith's decision to bolt the New York Giants for the Philadelphia Eagles, what are the New York Giants left with? The last few weeks have been, mostly, a time of saying goodbye to several veteran players who were part of the 2007 Super Bowl team.

Training camp began with offensive linemen Shaun O'Hara and Rich Seubert being released. Plaxico Burress chose the New York Jets, and I still doubt the seriousness of the Giants' interest, especially given recent developments. The Giants let Barry Cofield go to Washington. Kevin Boss took more guaranteed money than the Giants were willing to offer to go to Oakland. Smith did the same to go to Philadelphia.

Perhaps the most instructive thing that has happened is that rookie third-round pick Jerrel Jernigan, a wide receiver and punt returner, has already swooped in and taken Smith's No. 12. So, we have already moved from the SS12 era to the dawn of the days of JJ12.

Symbolic of what is going on with the Giants? Without a doubt. There is a changing of the guard going on with the New York Football Giants.

Star-divide

Jeff Roberts of the Bergen Record was right on the money this morning when he wrote "Reese’s get-younger-and-cheaper plan is in full effect."

Mike Garafolo of the Star-Ledger isn't really sure what Reese is doing. He wrote:

"... for the first time in his tenure, I can't see the method behind the madness. I'm officially skeptical. If he's got a plan, he's doing a great job of keeping it to himself right now. And he'd better have a plan because, much as he told us he thought this roster was good enough as currently constructed, it's not. It's just not.

"That's enough sitting back for Reese. It's time for him to jump up and do something here."

Where MG is wrong here is that Reese, as Roberts indicated, has already jumped up and done something. He has changed, in several key spots, the personnel on a football team that did not make the playoffs the past two seasons.

He did not do it in the splashy way the Eagles or Jets have done it. He did it by trusting his talent evaluation, by firmly and irrevocably planting the success - or failure -- of the Giants 2011 season on the backs of many of the players he has brought into the organization via the draft, trades and free-agent signings. Several of those players have not yet really had a chance to get on the field full time and show whether or not Reese was right about them.

Now, they will have that opportunity. The Giants season will ride on them, and so in some respects will Reese's reputation as a top-notch talent evaluator.

Let's look at some of the moves.

On the offensive line, Giants fans have clamored for years to get David Diehl out of the left tackle position. That has been done. Now, we also get to find out once and for all if Reese was right that 2009 second-round pick Will Beatty can handle left tackle. My guess is he does a better job than Diehl, who will be fine at guard. As for center, David Baas is an unknown, but so really was O'Hara when the Giants signed him away from Cleveland.

At wide receiver, the Giants have been preparing for 2011 as though Smith would not be around, anyway. That is why Jernigan, a speedster with a lot of experience collegiately in the slot, was drafted. Fans have clamored to see Victor Cruz and Ramses Barden get a chance. Some of you love Devin Thomas. There are still veterans like Domenik Hixon and Darius Reynaud. Sure the Giants could make a run at free-agent Jerricho Cotchery. Isn't it more fun, though, to watch guys with futures blossom than it would be to watch a guy who's receptions totals have declined from 71 in 2008 to 41 a year ago?

At tight end, Boss was a popular player. But, was he really that good? The most receptions he ever had in his three seasons with the Giants was 42. Some of you blame Kevin Gilbride for that. Isn't it just possible, though, that that was the type of player Boss was? Remember that Boss dropped 11 of the 66 balls thrown his way last season, a completely unacceptable 17 percent of passes in his direction. If he stays healthy and continues to develop the way he has thus far in training camp, I believe Travis Beckum has a good chance to surpass that 42-catch number. And Bear Pascoe or Jake Ballard -- or an extra offensive lineman -- can handle the blocking.

At defensive tackle, Barry Cofield was a good player but not one worth breaking the bank over. Who isn't excited about seeing what Linval Joseph and Marvin Austin can do given full opportunities? Those guys were drafted, to be honest, to replace Cofield. That's what they are doing. So, let's see if they are up to the task.

At defensive end, the Giants are still trying to come to some agreement with Osi Umenyiora. But, Jason Pierre-Paul appears ready to burst into stardom. He can't do that from the bench.

There is always a fear of the unknown, and in some ways the Giants have put their season in the hands of several players who are unknown quantities.

Isn't the definition of insantiy "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?"

Well, after watching his team fail to get where it wanted to go in each of the past three seasons (including the 2008 playoff flop) Reese HAS done something different. He just hasn't done it in a specatacular, flashy way.

All we can do now is sit back, watch and see if the Giants' general manager is right.

Question is "In Reese Do We Still Trust?"

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Thanks ED. Why so many people are ready to jump is beyond me,

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

and yes

In Reese we still do trust.

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

same here

I may not like this most current move but I still trust him

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

For now

He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.

by gobs56 on Aug 11, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Still Believe this team has Good Depth

But I’m one injury away from jumping off the George Washington Bridge with the way this offseason has gone. I like the Under the radar moves with signing that David Baas Dude and Weatherford but other than that there are still too many BIG QUESTION MARKS! Do you Guys Remember what Eli looked like after SS went down??? Yeah early in the year they’re were tipped pass INTs but after smith was gone they were flat out Bad INTs. Our recievers didn’t look like they knew where the hell they were going

by AHoustonGiant on Aug 11, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

except manningham who shined

now add Nicks in there, who was also hurt at the time last year, and we got 2 nasty WRs. the real question mark is 3rd WR and TE even though i think Beckum is going to have a big year

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And JJ12 will be worked in slow but sure

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a big difference

between losing a player in the middle of the season to injury, and losing an injured player to free agency in the off season.

by Raptor22 on Aug 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

now they can give another player his reps and if he can’t do the job they will find someone else who will.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 12, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Things needed 2 change. I don’t agree with Smith only bcuz of where he went. Plus let’s not forget we are still a run first team.

by hit_hard on Aug 11, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reminds me of 2007

When he shook everything up and we had a DE hold-out. That year we started slow and then came together. This team cannot afford to get off to the same slow start though… I am not overly impressed with WR depth… where is Ramses btw? Will he play this year? Our LB’s are a bad joke. DB’s solid. Mediocre depth at DE without Osi and Beatty is a big ? that will determine the success or failure of our OL.

Defensive backfield is solid. I like our RB depth and Eli is Eli. Right now we are an 8-8 team, Best case 11-5, worst case 6-10.

by Madhops on Aug 11, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are right, a slow start would be very bad this year. The 2nd half of the schedule is killer, if the Giants are not 6-2 or so in the first half then they will not be a play off team. I think this is more a 8-8 or 9-7 team this year, but I of course hope I am wrong.

by Ualtar on Aug 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And just like in 2007, like you said, we have a new LT.

I have no problem drawing confidence from Reese’s long track record of evaluating talent. Beatty will be fun to watch. Along with Bekum. Ramses is still hurt but that won’t be forever. We will get to enjoy watching him out work and out jump DB’s for the ball soon enough.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manningham and Nicks >> Burress and old ass but still good Toomer

if Jernigan can learn the playbook like Smith, he’s a dynamic player that could be like another Percy Harvin.

The offense will be a lot better this season.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

better then 2007 at least.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yessss

I was going to comment this before i even read the article. This is a team that has missed the post-season 2 yrs in a row. We have all been saying the line is ageing and now its younger. I loveddd steve smith but hammy and nicks are studs and they have friggin 7 guys after them who could fill the slot. Boss was good but he wasnt stellar. Beckum needs a chance. I for one am glad they got younger. Give them a chance. Smith will regret leaving. Also one more thing. I praise reese for not over paying smith coming off two serious injuries.

by cjraymz56 on Aug 11, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm just going to say this:

By the end of this season, Reese is either going to look like a genius or a complete idiot. Of course, I’m hoping for the former. Drafting the rookies that stepped up and filled in during our Super Bowl run is a damn good thing to have on a resume’.
Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt here i think

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

JR could be crazy like a fox

One thing i love about JR is he is not afraid to take risks, seems almost every pre season he does somthing that makes me scratch my head, but I would say 75% of the time JR is right. I really hope he was right on this call because if he was wrong SS12 killing us in and Eagles uniform is going to really drive me crazy.

by Late for Dinner on Aug 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

JR does know football better then we all do

so we have to assume hes got a plan hes working out. a plan that will hopefully work out more then any of us think

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Your thinking is sound.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I trust Reese.

I have agreed with almost every move he’s made during his tenure here except for the big money he shelled out for canty and bernard a few years back. This too shall pass and the giants will be fine.

by baadfish on Aug 11, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Love your screen name. And 44

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always though SS12 was overrated.

So him moving on didn’t bother me, actually made me happy that we get to see someone emerge out of our most talented position. The only thing that did bother me was him moving on the Eagles, our friggen rivals.

I have believe that Devin Thomas, Darius Reynaud, Victor Cruz and Jerningan can all step up and become that Slot receiver. BTW Travis Beckum could also play the slot, and that move will make us very unpredictable.

by GoffAttack on Aug 11, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

-1

Darius Renard? Really?

by Madhops on Aug 11, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

we've never tried Reynaud at receiver

and if you’ve listening to our training camp news, dude has been having a monster camp.

by GoffAttack on Aug 11, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but

It is a training camp. Kinda like the guy who bats .400 for the Mets in spring training. (OK that guy gets hurt). My point is a guy who caught over 100 balls is not overrated and saying that 3 guys who have yet to prove anything in the NFL are potentially better is quite frankly fandom to the extreme. Losing SS12 to injury was a huge blow. This is even bigger. Now all I can hope for is that he spends all year in rehab and we bring him back in ’12.

by Madhops on Aug 11, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point, but

if I recall correctly, Reynaud has shuffled back and forth between RB & WR most, if not all, of his NFL career. Lets face it – he was horrible as a PR/KR. Maybe him focusing as a WR will merit something for us this year. Stranger things have happened..

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

not sure how a WR that catches 100+ passes can be called overrated.

by GMen56-11 on Aug 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that would be true if that ever happened

Smith was thrown to many times cuz he was open, and he’s good.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 12, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's good

but not as good as you make him out to be.

by GoffAttack on Aug 12, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, he most definitely is that good when healthy

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 13, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

then say that instead of trying to diss Reynaud, when you clearly know nothing of him.

He is overrated. He catches the ball and gets tackled immediately. We can find someone to do that in a heartbeat and then you can continue to overrate that player too.

And BTW please don’t tell me you’re a Victor Cruz fan. Please don’t tell me that.

by GoffAttack on Aug 12, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reynaud

Last season when we played Minny, I was talking to a couple of fans on their board, and they were all shocked Reynaud sucked so bad for us. In fact they all wanted him back, so maybe this year we will get to see him play up to his potential.

by Late for Dinner on Aug 11, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats interesting

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reynaud

Its really sad how much Sh*t Reynaud is getting… Our special Teams was GARBAGE!!!!! Sorry, but if you’re not getting blocks from your gunners, or your wall on return, then you will not get crap in terms of production… Its an overall effort. Did you folks expect Reynaud to be a D Sanders, or D Jackson…. Lets all be serious here.LOL

by nyfinest314 on Aug 11, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I remember when the trade was made many Viking fans were upset about losing Reynot

by GMen56-11 on Aug 11, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

After last year...

I don’t know. I just hope that his monster camp tranistions to a monster season this year.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you havent been keeping track of practices

he has been tearing it up… EVERYONE is surprised… I mean EVERYONE.

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know a lot about him

But I said this last year and I’ll say it again now… being the punt returner for the Giants, especially last season, is a really tough way to show your football skills. He gets killed on here because he didnt produce results, but neither did anybody else. He could easily be a lot better than he gets credit for.

by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 11, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reynaud's been very good in practice

gotta throw his name in there

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

smith

Was intimidated by the competition. Eagles WE ate garbage and have no class

by S OzZy825 on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

smith

Was intimidated by the competition. Eagles WE ate garbage and have no class

by S OzZy825 on Aug 11, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Game 3

If Smith plays and toast us, Reese will not look so good.

by TheGifford on Aug 11, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

if he plays in game 3

then the Giants really do have the Mets medical staff

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

na.. if the gents had the mets medical staff

that guy who used to play for us would have played the game after he blew his knee

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

He who shall not be named

I like it

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 11, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, and they don't, so he won't.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all likelihood...

Smith won’t be playing in game 3.

by baadfish on Aug 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't seem like that's the Eagles plan

The reports say they want him for week 1 and he’s basically the backup plan since it looks like Maclin will be on the shelf. I really hope it doesn’t wind up ending his career.

by TNYFBG on Aug 11, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read the opposite last night.

That signing Smith is a longer term option. That if they were worried about Maclin being availiable early, then they may have signed a player like Cotchery.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Week 3

Also, I can see this whole thing with SS12 (ex-) as being the push we need to whip some eagle @$$ this year. Week 3 being an excellent opportunity since all the new Seagulls wont have much time to work together… we win that one, and that’ll help us regain our confidence against them.

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

listening to some of the players

on the Fan the other day, they sound extremely motivated to beat the Eagles this year. they’re all tired of losing to them and i think the Giants will make sure that week 3 will be a very physical game

by NJsandman on Aug 11, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed.

Maybe we should be thanking Steve Smith for his jumping ship..

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been saying this all offseason.

Beat the Eagles, wether it be in the first meeting or the second, will go along way toward giving that team the collective confidence that they can beat anyone. They truly believe that the Eagles are what stands in the way of a championship. And alot of that belief is due to a lack of confidence since they couldn’t beat them last year.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And most of the Giants losses...

were winnable games. Bad mistakes hurt them. If they clean those up, make a stop, etc. they are 11-5, win the East and no one is losing their head.
SS12 is gonna say he feels ready to play. But that doesnt mean he can and if he does it doesnt mean he can be as effective as he was before his injury. Not to mention the time it’ll take to get a hang of the playbook and timing with Vick.

by arjay on Aug 11, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite jumping

But worried non the less. I had hoped to see more of the young guys and now JR is basically telling these guys to show the NFL why the NY Giants drafted for you or signed you as a FA. I think our D will be more tenacious than last year. My worries are with the offense Although we are a Defensive team 1st and foremost, I am concerned we will have a problem scoring points in the red zone. In Reese I trust. Unless this whole thing blows up then I want his head on a platter LOL.

by Kirt Morose on Aug 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

hahah

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!

by Troy O on Aug 11, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point

You have to trust Reese, at least until the Giants take the field. If you don’t than this off season has been even more disappointing than it has been for the majority, honestly i see this team winning 10 games again.

Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?

by colinlovestheknicks on Aug 11, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

as excited as everyone is to see Linval

I’m more excited to see Barden get more snaps….

I’m so high on this kid I got cotton mouth

bye bye NO YAC

but the realist in me understands that Nicks really got get his routes down this season….which is possible, extremely possible

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

that is correct...

Manningham has the route issues…

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?

I think MM runs the right routes….just sloppy at times.

Nicks is the one who blacks out and zigs when he should zag

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont' forget the McCann pick 6 either

yeah, bad pass from eli but Nicks showed his inexperience on that one.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

with MM I seem to remember his biggest issue being making his cut at 7 yards when we need 8 for the 1st.

Or, Catching it for a first and jumping back to try to escape while losing the 1st in the process.

But, MM will be okay. Nothing he does is irreparable and a lot of his mistakes were because the Giants needed a big play and he tries to hit it out of the park each time. I’ve got no problems with MM…dude is legit

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes...BUT it's the right route

Nicks literally breaks the wrong way….he makes the wrong reads

how many times did you see Eli last year throw 10 yards away from Nicks last year on 3rd down and than throw his arms up in the air like “WTF are you doing hakeem”

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly...

it’s not Eli missing by 10 yards b/c of a horrible pass…it’s a mis read by the WR

MM like i said, runs the correct routes…he just ain’t as crisp.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember

Eli admonishing Ham more than Nicks. Ham has the tendency to run his routes too close to the sideline

by GMen56-11 on Aug 11, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That pick

was all on Nicks, can’t blame Eli for that one iota, timing pattern.

Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!

by Great Gatsby on Aug 11, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are both young and have had issues with routes.

But we have seen improvement every year in MM’s route running and he will be even better this year. Nicks too. It’s just the learning curve of what many believe to be the second hardest position to transition from college to the pros.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

MM still has good hands though.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hahaha

so basically, if we were better – we’d be better. lol

by baadfish on Aug 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually it's chemistry and it comes w/ time

and that’s why JR wasn’t offering SS anythign close to what Philly did.

he realizes that it just doesn’t happen over night….

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow thats a positive spin

I hear what your saying but lossing a guy like Smith was not part of the plan and I’m don’t think they wanted to lose Cofield. We drafted like would not have either one of those guys but its too many young guys and questin marks. If Beckum, JJ, and the you DT’s step up sure we’ll be in good shape but those are a lot of things to happen

by Landeta on Aug 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

The good thing is...

al of these guys have been with the team for a significant amount of time. Thier knowledge of the system at this point should give them a comfortable position to work from. I think the key to our success this year will hinge on the quality of coaching more then anything else.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sup Lo.

Lookin good bro.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

What up ma n......? :-)

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You know

Maxin relaxin.

Was wonderin if you were gonna come back once the season got closer…glad ya did.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been mad busy with work and the family, but I've been following these developments with the NEPHLIM and

I must say the I am surprised with some of the decisions that the G-men have made with regard to Boss, Smith, Cofield, Plaxico and Osi. Had to see what my fellow Giants fans had to say. Looking forward to so heated debates.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

in a nutshell

Boss – bad but acceptable
Cofeild – we all knew it was coming. fine with it because anvil and austin
plax – eff him.
Osi – 50/50. i say keep him, some say trade him.
Smith – he will be catching passes from cam newton so who cares about him

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

Hahaha!

Will the real Steve Smith please stand up?

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

LO!!!!

what’s good?!

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

andiamo708....ma man!! what up bro?

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the prodigal son returns, lol

but seriously, good to hear from all the BIG BLUE FANS

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tito and Lo

been a while, maybe you guys can help talk some sense into these nay sayers.

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

NEVER

GENTS ARE 0-18 this year!! FIRE reese, cawflin, feul, mara. SIGN LBBERESSSS.. SPALSH FAAAA

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

THROW THEM OUT THE BLIMP

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be stingingly honest as usual.

just hope that my peers can handle it.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Always and forever Amani Toomer.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hope u bring back the

“players of the week” posts. Those were great

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know...those post were a lot of work.

We’ll see though.Desk top is on the blink, so I have top buy another one. It will be difficult fprmulating fanposts fron my cell.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hear yah

I wouln’t mind doing posts like it. But now I’ve been annointed Commish of my fantasy league and am expected to do weekly updates for that. Can’t even watch football without making it work.

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've been preparing to lose Cofield for 2 years

by drafting Linval two years ago, and Austin this year. They knew they weren’t gonna pay him what he wanted, Redskins over payed him, congrats.

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

the consensus was

we were going to lose Cofield

by GMen56-11 on Aug 11, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

every player that we've lost so far

won the superbowl with us. now they just wanted to get paid. better off having younger players that are truly hungry to win.

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 11, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

been a while

but I really like this post, so let me say- I’m excited.

No way in hell am I gonna tell you the Giant’s had a great FA period here; just solid. They did what they could, kept who they wanted to, trimmed some fat, got a much needed punter, but no major additions.

But anyone saying they had a bad off-season is forgetting they had an incredible value draft, maybe the best. So Reese isn’t saying “I’ve got something hidden up my sleeve, I’ve got a plan here.” He’s saying “I’ve spent the last 3 years drafting players who have had time to develop, now I’m gonna make Coughlin play those guys like it’s 2007 and see what I have.”

I like it because it’s incredibly risky- if the Giants are successful, it can only come by way of Linval Joseph and JPP, JJ12 (fun already) and Beckum, Sintum and Greg Jones and a bunch of other guys who need to play hard on Spec Tms.

If the Giants aren’t successful, likewise, it will be because these guys aren’t as good as their draft status merited. Simple as that. Reese is basically staking a huge amount of his reputation on those guys. So we, just like Jerry, are gonna be watching this season with one thing on our minds. “Let’s see what we’ve got.”

This is gonna be a blast.

by dannymac56 on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Puh-reach!

Hell I say please get off the train now if you’re one of those fair weathered “fans” that are just going to bitch and moan every time something new or different occurs. If you bleed blue then you bleed blue.

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I’m not a true fan because I criticize my own team?

I true fan can love their own team and find the faults as well.

I bleed blue just as much as anyone here. I watch every game, scream my head off, do really weird superstitious rituals, develop OCD during the games.. Just as much as everyone else.

There is nothing wrong with criticizing something you love, rather than ignoring its fault.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Criticize

Don’t get me wrong, nothing is wrong with being Critical, but alot of folks are just critical to a fault, and sound like they have given up on the season… People talk about why the Giants made no effort to lock up Smith before FA, yet they seem to forget the Giants offered him a 5 yr $35Mil ($15Guaranteed) last season and he turned it down. He gets hurt, do you really expect the Giants to offer that much, especially with that type of injury… Everyone complains about players not restructuring, but wanna get pissed off because we offered 1 yr, $2Mill ($1Mil guaranteed to a player who won’t play half the season, and probably not be 100% himself)…LOL If SS12 really didn’t want to leave, he would have took the contract, proved his knee is capable in the 2nd half of the season when he probably would return, and then workout a new contract… Then he asks for Pitty and understanding… FUCK SS12

by nyfinest314 on Aug 11, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that. Fair enough.

I haven’t given up at all. I am less optimistic about the season, but that doesn’t mean I’m less excited about it.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

Can’t get old and slow like we were. Gotta get younger, faster, stronger and we have!

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well said

He’s saying "I’ve spent the last 3 years drafting players who have had time to develop, now I’m gonna make Coughlin play those guys like it’s 2007 and see what I have."

We all know TC is reluctant to play the young guys. This forces his hand. In the latter part of 2007 due to injuries he had to play the young guys. It worked out well. This season he’s forced to play the entire season with the young guys. Let’s see what they can do.

by GMen56-11 on Aug 11, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My heart will always remain with the Giants...

but I was sad that SS12 left to go to the Iggles. However, it was nice to see Justin Tuck step up on Twitter to reassure the fans that he is excited to have a BIG season. I do believe our D Captain is officially ready to lead this team to victory!

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Yes sir

He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.

by gobs56 on Aug 11, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

yep I am not a “sir”!

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to get over last night

But remember… Tonight pre-season games start and of course eagles-ravens is one of games. When they pan to the sideline and show Steve in a green eagle hoodie… I’m gonna scream at the TV.

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Me too!

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me

I’m going to beg Ray Lewis to put a preseason hit on Mike Vick… Again.

He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.

by gobs56 on Aug 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

UGGH

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

younger, faster, stronger

and cheaper. once you step back, take a breath and look at the plan coming to frutition, it doesnt look as bad as it used to. this year is going to be a big young receivers year. beckum and at least one other WR needs to come out of thier shells this year. hopefully its jernigan

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny, I posted the same three adjectives, in the same order, up there ^^

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds kinda like that Kanye west song. I don't like that guy.

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont forget...

not injured. (for the most part)

In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.

"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon

by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 11, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still trust JR, but loosing SS12 was a kick in the nuts!

I feel like I did when my old girlfriend left me. But the more I read SS12’s comments the more it sounds like the Giants think he is damaged goods and let him walk. I just don’t undertand why we would not give him the 2 mil let him work his way back and if he looks good sign him long term, unless Giant management don’t believe SS12 is going to recover well from the Micro fracture surgery.

by Late for Dinner on Aug 11, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Because

you don’t give guaranteed money on a one year deal to a player that you don’t think will hold their own roster spot.

by baadfish on Aug 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm not getting all the hate towards Reese

Coughlin already said the Giants would have matched the Eagles offer if Smith came back. Smith just didnt want to be a Giant, not Reeses fault.

by giantfan664 on Aug 11, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that's just talk.

If the Giants seriously wanted SS, they would have got him by paying him what he wanted…bottom line. the Eagles were a back-up plan and the Giants forced Smith to go with plan B.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Long term I'd rather use cap $$ to keep Nicks & MM

So letting an injured SS go does not bother me. MM’s excellent play when he became a starter last year killed any chance of SS getting a big contract coming off a major injury.

by G-FANinFL on Aug 11, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'll take healthy SS12 over M Squared

Still remember him drop-fumbling a ball on the 20 in the Eagles game debacle. Still. I would love for us to bring Smith back in a year. The Eagles are going to have to jettison their guys in 2 years when they have to pay Maclin and Jackson plus all their DB’s.

by Madhops on Aug 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I remember

Smith being wide open, past everyone, for what would have been an 80+ yd touchdown and a gorgeous bomb from Eli falling perfectly into his waiting arms… and right through them.

by TNYFBG on Aug 11, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was Hixon in 08

not Smith

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup

started hixon in fanatsy that game too.. remember it like it was yesterday

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

me too, I added Hixon when Plax got hurt in the Arizona game two weeks before

man I’m still mad about that drop

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right...

Hixon was wide open…TD was waiting to embrace him and…sigh. And that game was against the Eagles.

28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.

by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like I said

still mad about it, Its replaying over and over in my head as we speak

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can remember the HUGE groan from the Meadowlands crowd.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember that one too

maybe SS wasn’t against the Eagles. I’m pretty sure I remember him dropping a nearly identical pass too, but what the hell do I know, I can’t remember what I did last week.

by TNYFBG on Aug 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha, same here

I think SS12 did have a long drop against the Bills in 07 and the Steelers in 08

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maclin not doing well. Smith is insurance.

#Eagles WR Jeremy Maclin has returned to St. Louis to undergo further testing to identify his illness, as @howardeskin first reported.

Doesn’t sound good when they can’t identify his illness.

by NYG_Slater on Aug 11, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

If 13 signs with the iggles

I’m gonna jump

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 11, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still trust Reese...

but if this plan fails, we may have serious issues for years to come.

by Boyzoid on Aug 11, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

This is very true.

But I have alot of confidence because the man has a very long track record of scouting, identifying, and for the past 4 years, drafting good players. And his FA pickups have been great overall as well.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am waiting a few games after the bye

before I cast my judgement. The first part of the schedule makes me very optimistic, its that murders row the second half that scares me about this team. If they can not crap their pants like the past two years they could have a team worth talking about in the post season.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate

by TheWenz on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I love it

I’m so excited for the season. I can’t wait to see how Beatty, Linval Joseph, JPP, JJ12, Austin, Hynoski, Sash, Barden, Beckum develop. Some will be good some will bust.

Maybe JJ12 turns is SS12 plus more YAC. Maybe Austin is Cofield with more passrush. Cant wait to find out.

Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."

by Giants56 on Aug 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

OHHHHH YEAH!!!

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent analysis

i always enjoy your personnel run downs, ed. i agree that we should give reese the benefit of the doubt. splashy signings is how you turn a team into the washington redskins. clearly there is a bigger long term plan here. in a league with a fairly restrictive cap, younger and cheaper is how you get ahead.

this will be a very interesting year. its the year for a lot of drafted guys to step up. its exciting.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Aug 11, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Just remember......

the Giants always start with unknown players who turns out to be very good players. We won the last Super Bowl without any glimmer or glamor and finished last year’s regular season with same record as Eagles and yes, the Super bowl champs. So based on the past I will give Reese the benefit of the doubt.

by rbman3 on Aug 11, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, after watching his team fail to get where it wanted to go in each of the past three seasons (including the 2008 playoff flop) Reese HAS done something different. He just hasn’t done it in a specatacular, flashy way.

this—everyone’s favorite guys that have moved on just weren’t getting the job done.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Quote from Garafolo

“Coughlin saying Smith situation was like running a race but being in the locker room and not told the race had started.”

Like I said this is not Reese’s fault, SMITH DIDN"T WANT to be a giant. The guy already passed on 7 million a year…

by giantfan664 on Aug 11, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Not according to all his Facebook quotes
Giants just didn’t want me.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!

by Troy O on Aug 11, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

SS12
i truly wanted to stay here but that the giants DIDN’T want me here unfortunately.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!

by Troy O on Aug 11, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Translation:

Giants wouldn’t guarantee me $2m for 8+ games

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 11, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He passed on 7 mil?

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 mil with 15 guaranteed

yeah he said no thanks..

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the back-to-Earth piece

Really helped to calm the nerves. One thing though, TC has a history of not playing rookies much, so how much of JJ12 or Austin are we really going to see?

by CCE718 on Aug 11, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

i dont think he has a choice this year

austin will be playing.. theres only 1 other DT that i can see as an every down guy and thats canty. bernard might start, but i think we’ll see heavy doses of austin and linval this year.

jernigan is another situation tho. i would love to see his speed on the feild from day one, but for a rookie receiveer with only training camp in him, its going to be tough for hium to get the mental part of it

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well..

see, he does have a choice. He could start Bernard the whole bloody year, even if Austin starts out-playing him. That just has me a bit edgy.

by CCE718 on Aug 11, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

its near impossivble to play only 2 DTs all year

evern if he wanted to.. guys get tired. with only 2 veteran DTs on the team, the 2 young guys are going to get rotated in a ton

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece Ed

People are jumping around crazy right now.

I love Steve Smith. He was a Pro Bowler and our first one at receiver in what 1000 years! However, football is a tough sport and I think we are morning the loss of what SS12 was not what he is, which is a guy with a serious knee injury.

Reese is definately overhauling here but after watching them fade down the stretch the last few years I think its a ballsy move. As well, its tough to kill him on this if they don’t make the plaoyoffs this year to be honest. They have a lot of new, young guys getting into the mix. It’s next year that these moves should really pay off if all goes according to plan.

In Reese I trust.

I want more JPP and I want it now!

by Blender on Aug 11, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I remember McCaffrey leaving the Giants and then

becoming a clutch 3rd down receiver for Denver. Drove me nuts..

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Oops

That was supposed to be a reply to “Fire Fewell”… im new here.. lol

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'll get it BBF. :-)

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, the common element in Reese's thinking is ...

health. So many highly regarded teams have failed to live up to expectations in past years because of injuries. Almost everyone who has been let go has a history that makes injury a concern. Boss had concussions. O’Hara, Seubert, and Smith had surgeries. I think Cofield might have been a case of having comparable skills in his backup. Anybody can get injured, like Prince, but maybe Reese is trying to reduce the risk of losing starters during the season.

by TerraByte on Aug 11, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes...

There are those who think Smith’s injury will limit him so that he’ll never be the same player again. Reese seemed willing to sign the guy but not with a big guarantee. I don’t know why Philly thinks they know better.

by John Raffo on Aug 11, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything less than a SB victory

Philly’s management will have egg all over it’s face, bottom line is Giants don’t think Steve is healthy and the eagles do.

by Late for Dinner on Aug 11, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, they are rolling some big dice down there.

But I have to say, with their coaches will make it work, for the most part, IMO. But it will take time. Maybe even in to next year and beyond. And IMO, it will NOT conclude with a championship. These types of teams just don’t.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next year will be too late.

Jackson and McCoy will both need new deals and their salary cap house of cards will blow in the wind.

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's time...

To take off the proverbial fluorescent thong PUT ON the granny drawers and get to work!

"I am raising the stakes right now, … If this is a poker game, I am shoving my chips right in the middle of the table. I am raising the ante. Anybody who wants out, can get out. This team is going to the playoffs. OK? This team is going to the playoffs." Said by a one time Gman.

by Bavaro 89 on Aug 11, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I would go all in with you

in this proverbial poker match… turns out we both got pocket A’s

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

AH Fassel Quote

Gotta love it.

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 11, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it 89.

And boy was he right! Almost all the way right….

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fassel, nice.

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

+12

Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?

by colinlovestheknicks on Aug 11, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

green'd

wish rec’d comments turned blue.. fuggin green

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That has bothered me since day one on this site.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know i'm reading it on twitter and not hearing the sound bites in person

but Tuck comes across like Eeyore w/ his quotes.

T2/TT and Eli deal w/ the press so much better…..you got something to say, than say it. if not, than don’t.

Tuck is over here taking subliminal shots at SS….dude, ur a DE. Speak your mind….or be a man, and tell them “no comment”.

talking about “well i’m not gonna say anything about SS….but I woulda let the Giants counter”.

WTF is that?!

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Honesty?

“I would have let the Giants counter”.

I would have too, Steve Smith should have. I don’t think it’s too bad.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

makes sense....except for the fact

that right before that he says "I"m not gonna speak on Smith".

so than don’t!

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea true.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is it everyone.

CHANGE is in need.

CHANGE has arrived.

Obviously whatever broken record we’ve been trying to play the last three years isn’t working, so Reese is changing his tune.

I love it Ed.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Eli: "I'm not concerned"

that’s how it’s done boys

no sneaky stuff, no sour grapes….just see ya later.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Elis the man

love the “ice in the veins” attitude. nothing bothers the kid. big time reciever left.. eh who cares.. we got others

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He lost a 6'7" physical freak

One of the best Tight Ends in Giants history, the best running back in giants history, and the receiver with every meaningful Giants reception record all in consecutive. Never batted an eye.

In fact, he’s improved.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes yes yes tito!

and this is what we need.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need the defense to be awesome.

We need to win a lot of ugly games this year.

The uglier the better.

TOP around 40 minutes. 30 rushes a game. 210 passing yards.

17-13 finals.

Giants football.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

love it

smashmouth football. run the rock, and play nasty D. Giants football

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

1990 style

Power football…. with a hard hitting Defense, LOVE IT

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brings back Bill memories

“We are going to run the ball… the other team is going to know we are going to run the ball… we know the other team knows we are going to run the ball.. and there is nothing they can do to stop us!!! " ~BP

where is that now-a-days??

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

game has changed

all about QBs and WRs but power football still has a place in the NFL

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Eli Manning does it better than anyone

I’ve heard several times that he calls the best running game at the line.

We have the tools.

Eagles are loading up for the pass, we run it down their throats.

Cowboys have an awful secondary, may I introduce you to Mr. Nicks.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

preach on brother

After a bad night, I’m starting to get really excited again

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

When people deny the Giants their greatness

THAT is when they are at their greatest.

We could be in for a memorable season.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

+46

superblow 46 thats is

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

power football qins games

so does finesse football… there is no key to winning in the NFL

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeap

just play up to your strengths. Can’t force your team to be something its not

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes sir

its going to be hard for those no name LBZZZ and Safetys on the eagles to stop 265 lb Brandon Jacobs running downhill up the middle

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Tom Coughlin does what I think he's going to do to Ahmad Bradshaw

We’ll have the best 1 2 bunch at RB in the game.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Ahamad, if you fumble, you deal with this"

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

now thats a plan

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he'll also try to re-create the Tiki situation

Afterall, he is credited for turning him into the elite back he was.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn straight!

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is most certainly a key.

It’s called:

“Getting hot at the right time”.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants have had a tendency to

“Drop it Like it’s Hot”

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Believe it fellas"

- the great Michael Strahan

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

YUS!

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAOOOOOOO at this whole comment

Especially @ “17-13 Finals………GIants Football” hahahahahahahahahaaaaaa omg man you guys are hilarious man. “Giants Football” sounds like its straight outta coughlins mouth man lmaooooo

by AHoustonGiant on Aug 11, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what happened to drinking that bleach?

In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.

"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon

by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

no youre right

we’ll be 0-16 this year. running the ball and great defense doesnt work anymore!! its about WRSSSSSSSSSSS.. your dumb

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naw

it’s about the FAs LBzzzsss!

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How are you a Giants fan?

I mean seriously. This has always been Giants football. Ground and pound, tough defense, low scoring games, control the clock. If you like high-flying action and passes, look for another team.

by Well-Rounded Cube on Aug 11, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are you kidding Tito

This Eli character could never take us to the promised land

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

by wangstu13 on Aug 11, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problems in the future

I see this as more of a problem in the years to come. I see no way we will be paying Manningham the money needed to keep him in town, which will leave us with Nicks and a bunch of practice squad wide receivers. Now we have a bunch of undrafted or cast off receivers after Nicks and (temporarily) Manningham. Barden and Jernigan are untested guys who played against JV talent in college. I’d love it if one of these guys stepped up and all, but there is a reason we didn’t just cut Eli to replace him with Andre Woodson when his contract came up. We didn’t replace Strahan with Tollefson.

I put no blame on Steve Smith. The Giants basically treated him like he was unwanted garbage for weeks while he tried to get a deal, just assuming no one wanted him and he would gladly take whatever scraps they threw his way once they felt like doing so. So he finally got sick of it and took an offer from someone else.

by Midnight Blue on Aug 11, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

keep in mind

smith nicks and manningham were all a bunch of unproven rookies we should not have put our faith into…

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

So was Boss

And Ross

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Bradshaw

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're quick!

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+3

count me in.

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

maybe I should do some work now

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

true true

but knowing me, I’ll be on this site all day… again

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli, as well

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were all pretty high draft picks from big name colleges that had played against guys that were playing in the NFL.

by Midnight Blue on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm... bradshaw

he went to Marshall…. Boss – western oregon….

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

7th round

5th round

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But we didn’t just get rid of our Shockey or Ward or Jacobs without knowing if these guys could play first. Boss had proven he could play, so had Bradshaw, we are saying guys we have never seen other than small time college ball are going to be better than a proven player.

by Midnight Blue on Aug 11, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boss proved he could play?

His first start was in the playoffs in ‘07 wasn’t it?

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he started the Buffalo and Pat games but I may be wrong

in the game Shockey got hurt, Boss did have a TD, of course the game was pretty much over already

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

JPP went to!!!

USF!!!! how dare you insult my school like that!!! FIU is a wanna be suckas* imitation of USF!!!

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that same thing goes for FAU

though I tremendous respect for the Engineering/Mathmatics Schools

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha my bad

i knew it wasnt FIU but i knew it was close

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

its alright... I forgive you

lol

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they were high draft picks

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

true...

ok.. BJ went to southern illinios (i think) and was a 5th rounder (i think)

ok.. BJ went to southern illinios (i think) and was a 5th rounder (i think)tuck was a 3rd rounder, but played at notre dame… does that count? ND hasnt been a top football program in a long time

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said big name colleges

Notre Dame IS the big name college lol.

But still, i think we’ve proved our point…talent can be found anywhere in the draft.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

But there still the ONLY sports team that has every one of their games nationally televised.

Pretty impressive.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea that is impressive

its why im a fan too.. grew up watching Giants, Mets, and Notre Dame

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 11, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

grew up with ND too

hope they get back on track

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

likewise

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

by wangstu13 on Aug 11, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ was at Auburn and was behind 2 first round draft picks before he left. He also didn’t come in and immediately become the starter over Tiki with 10 carries to his name.

by Midnight Blue on Aug 11, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and cofield...

he wasnt supposed to really be on the field except to provide relief for Robbins…

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

also keep in mind

with your Woodson – Eli comment… The backups replacing Smith are better than him right now.

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is there no way we are going to pay MM after this year?

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at it like this...

The Giants were expected to be successful this season even though nobody knew when Smith was going to be able to play. So, his leaving means nothing for the first half of the year. If they don’t have an answer by the end of the year then they have bigger problems than losing Smith.

Let’s remember that the Steelers, Saints, and Packers all won the Superbowl WITHOUT Steve Smith on the field.

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

for the last time

its the superblow, get it right man

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

was I just "Boom - roasted"?

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

herry carson would be proud

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like a blimp ride may be in his future

In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.

"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon

by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 11, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

blimp ain't big enough

to fit the whole front office

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, don't mess around.

We now have the Blimp Ride as a punishment. Permanent punishment!

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well yeah...

it’s more the throwing from said blimp that does the real damage.

In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.

"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon

by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 11, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 11, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone think that Bomar's DUI was because he knew this was going to happen?

u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..

by nywins42 on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Bomar sees the past, present and future…. all at the same time.

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Bomar needs to replace that old guy with the unidentifiable accent in the Dos Equis XX commercials.

I mean, because Bomar is actually the most interesting man in the world.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, Ed.

Thanks for lending perspective after yesterday’s blistering news.

I’m not mad at Steve anymore. It’s the age of FA and it’s his right. Doesn’t take away the great catches he had for us and he was a good Giant.

That being said it’s time for him to meet our DBs for reals. Can’t wait for the season to start and see what JR has been up to.

by rkdo03 on Aug 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

One last SS12 comment

I forgot where i read it this morning but some writers have pointed out that the Giants tried to lock up SS12 last year to the tune of 5 years and 35 million with 15 mil gaurunteed. SS12 turned down the offer and than went out and blew out his knee.

by Late for Dinner on Aug 11, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

what are the chances

Smith comes running back to NY after he realizes what a dump Philly is ? He did only sign a 1 yr contract.

Or maybe its JR’s master plan:
- He knew SS would not be effective this yr so he let him put the ski mask on and rob the igges
- SS will learn the iggles play book and report back after his yr is up!

What do you guys think ? Either way I would like to see the young guys get a shot,

by navBBWC on Aug 11, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh...

…the same thought occurred to me this morning, but it seemed like such a long shot that I laughed it off. =)

by The Raging Platypus on Aug 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

SS12 has approached Tiki territory

I could see him being booed whenever he comes to play at Giants Stadium. I

by Late for Dinner on Aug 11, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

-1

SS12 has tried to be classy with the fans about his move. Tiki OTOH doesn’t know how to spell classy!

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

-1

It has been 24h and he already managed to say that the Giants didn’t want him even though he DIDN’T let them counter the E-Gals offer. I can easily see him being likte Tiki

Smith is/was just a good player with a great PR-agent which made us think he cared about the team more than the average player

by DellaVittoria on Aug 11, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolute refreshing article...

…my morning commutes have been aggravating lately, having to listen to Craig Carton screech on about how the Giants are a joke and generally displaying his lack of football acumen to the entire world.

And then I go through my morning Giants blog routine and groan whenever I glance over ultimatenyg and see yet another inane, pessimistic post that trots out “experts” from their own echo chamber as credible sources and bray on about how the sky is falling on the Giants. Again.

So I really respect the work you do here, Ed, and this article is proof positive that there’s a rhyme and a reason to how the Giants are playing out this season. Younger, stronger, and cheaper. In Reese we trust!

by The Raging Platypus on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

simple but dead on

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's fun though.

Makes it better when they win.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love when he imitates Mad Dog

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always liked him

He’s a clown though…he does whatever he can for attention, and when he’s not discussing the Giants he’s pretty hilarious.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true

But it’s not nice to make fun of the handicapped

by trueblue63 on Aug 11, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

like Apollo Creed told Rocky in Rocky 3

“No, do listen to it Platypus. Because when it’s over, everybody’s gonna owe us an engraved apology.”

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"When it's over"

I loved Apollo

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty down

but don’t take Carton seriously. He just tries to enrange people and thats the only way he gets ratings. WFAN is a waste of time if you’re a Giants fan anyway all they do is talk about the Jets even when the Jets suck its all Jets all the time. He’s just tryhing to get Giants fans to get pissed and listen to him. The guy is a Jets fan and a closet Cowboys fan so he’s still pissed about the Giants winning the SB in 07 and likes to kick the Giants when they’re down

by Landeta on Aug 11, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Francesa

Is the only WFAN host that fairly talks about the Giants.

by GmenKnicks on Aug 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Ed

Great post.
We need to keep a level head in August.

Go Giants!

by ronjohnson on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

We do. This could be great. It could also blow up. But, shoot, the Giants didn’t make the playoffs the last two years. So, why not change the dynamic somehow?

by Ed Valentine on Aug 11, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

NY Giants have never been flashy

This organization does it the right way. The big flashy signings are great sometimes, but I’ll take commitment to your draft picks and in house talent over that any day.

Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York!
For the empty net, Mark Messier... do you believe it?! Do you believe it?! He said we will win game 6 - he has just picked up the hat trick!

by Broheem NJ on Aug 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Boss also has a case of the dropsies and gets concussions frequently

SS12 is still hurt…we got plenty of young depth behind him
As for Cofield, Austin and Joseph will be better than him, take it to your local bank.

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

by wangstu13 on Aug 11, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ed

Are you going to do any matchup posts against our preseason opponents?

by Well-Rounded Cube on Aug 11, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

A little bit

I don’t get all worked up about preseason games.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 11, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW Ed

good right up. It was no secret this team was preparing for life without Smith and Cofield. They drafted to replace those guys along with OLine changes.
JR is going a different route now, and its going to be an intresting ride. I look foward to watching and hoping the young faces step up and make… well you know the rest.

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Ed- best I've read in a while

you said everything I’d like, but show why you write for a living and I don’t.

“He did not [change personnel] in the splashy way the Eagles or Jets have done it. He did it by trusting his talent evaluation, by firmly and irrevocably planting the success – or failure — of the Giants 2011 season on the backs of many of the players he has brought into the organization via the draft, trades and free-agent signings. Several of those players have not yet really had a chance to get on the field full time and show whether or not Reese was right about them.

Now, they will have that opportunity. The Giants season will ride on them, and so in some respects will Reese’s reputation as a top-notch talent evaluator."

Exactly right. this was his plan all along. Of course, no one knows how it will turn out, but let’s at least let the games be played, and these young guys get on the field before we start throwing in the towel.

Thanks Steve Smith for everything you gave the Giants!

by pataroons on Aug 11, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Happy Article there, Ed. A lot of us needed that.

Personally, I’m a little tired of the in Reese we Trust mantra.

Fact is, we were in this cap situation because he overpaid for players, guys like Rolle, Boley, Canty, etc.

He overpaid for free agents that weren’t previously on this team, and because of that he had to let some of the core guys go. To me, it seems like bad cap management. It seems like he made numerous short term decisions and it came back to haunt him.

Now, we still have a lot of talent, and JR is great in the draft. When it comes to drafting I trust JR 100%, when it comes to free agency, I have very little faith in him.

Here’s to hoping the kids step up and show they can play. At FB, WR, TE, LB, OL, DL, we’re going to need the kids to play some strong football. If that happens, great. We’re moving in a good direction and loading the team up with young talent. Young talent is dangerous however, as they are not proven.

If the kids we are depending on don’t step up, we can be in for a very long and disappointing season. We should be careful not to forget that.

Go Giants!!

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Biggest mistake Reese mad was

Resiging BJ back in 09 for the amount of money we did. I think thats why he’s not going nuts to sign good talent like Cofield and Boss or injured talent like Smith.

BJ is basically a backup and has not even come close to living up to his contract. JWe should of let him walk.

I think JR looks at that deal and realizes you can’t over pay for good players who’s best years might be behind them, even if they are young.

by Landeta on Aug 11, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think BJ is underrated (the player.. lol)

his YPC average was higher than AB’s last year. He just needs to stop the east-west running mentality. hes at his best when he lowers his shoulder and runs THROUGH people.

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying BJ aint good

But he takes up waay to much cap space for a guy who does not start and who’s running style leads to injury and a short carrer. And my thinking is JR does not want to overpay for good players that can be replaced or are in question of having compromised carreers. BJ came of that 08 season in which we ran for 200 yards a game and he cashed out but in reality it was a result of our O-line and system more than BJ. Why pay Kevin Boss a ton of money to catch 42 passes a year? Why pay Steve Smith a lot of money when he might never be the same player again? Why pay Barry Cofield a ton of money when he’s only had one truley great season as a pro? I think that was his mentality this year. He was willing to lose AB as well this season. The Steve Smith thing sucks becasue Philly just had more cap room, so they offered a short term deal as well but they could give more gurantted and I believe they promised him a long term deal if he performs not so sure the Giants did that.

by Landeta on Aug 11, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's why he restructured his deal. To take up less cap space.

Sheesh.

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free Agents

I dont ming losing SS and KB if it means we are able to retain Osi.

Im sure after Osi’s first strip sack all of his off season shenanigans will be forgiven and forgotten!!

by navBBWC on Aug 11, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

You know what these recent moves remind me of...

The Patriots.

If there is any team I could safely say I wouldn’t mind being like…it’s them.

Certainly not the Jets. And MOST certainly not the Eagles.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

reese is still an idiot

but yeah JJ12, yeah

"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid

by nyg94 on Aug 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

i said this yesterday an I'll say it again!

i believe the giants know what they r doing.
i know looking at young guys that never played its hard to believe in them but the giants got
some very good players in camp we got a very good team.in "07" we would not have got that ring if not for YOUNG ROOKIES that steped up.relax gang & i dont want to see people hopping back on the GMEN bandwagon later.

by big blue born in philly on Aug 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Those young rookies were forced to play becasue of injury

Smith and Boss played becasue of SHockey’s injury
Bradshaw played becasue of Ward’s injury
Ross was the only guy that was forced into the lineup becasue well we had no one else and yea he played well as a rookie buts it’s not like we went into 07 thinking Boss, Smith, and BRadshaw would have huge impacts.

by Landeta on Aug 11, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

JR avoiding the media today

don’t know why….

well I do….but I don’t. Stand up to these idiots.

it’s not that hard.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

sure its not hard, but trying to talk to bunch of mangy idiots who report alot of garbage well I wouldnt want to deal with it either.

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

by wangstu13 on Aug 11, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Optics Are Bad. The Situation, Not.

If you’re a sportswriter, The Imminent Decline Of The Giants is a story that’s practically writing itself. But, as Ed just covered, we’re ok at most every position, and may even surprise in a few places. I’d like to see the third receiver position locked down – by whoever – and I’m as worried about LB as ever, but other than O’Hara, I’m not sweating any of the losses too much. I’ll tell you this…if you want to beat the Giants this year, you’d best be able to stop the run.

11/1/2010

by HughG16 on Aug 11, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

yup

agree w/ everything

right down to Boss being a more important spoke in the wheel

didn’t say better player…just more important to KG’s offense.

I’m still more concerned w/ his departure over Smith

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too, have been lamenting about the coaches inability to adjust.

It is almost inexcusable to hear Eli say that only SS knew the slot. That can’t be right (?) But it has been nice to hear about adjusting the TE position within KG’s offense to fit Bekum’s skills.

We have discussed this before, the equity TC had from 2007 has been used up. I need playoff wins from this team this year or I have had enough of TC

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The slot

SS getting all the slot reps in practices, all season, every slot play being geared towards his strength, it sounds totally plausible.

It’s part of the whole execution mentality that TC has brought here. Now I’m all for superior execution, but that’s A goal not the only goal.

by trueblue63 on Aug 11, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

right on, ghost

well put

"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."

by jcalafiore on Aug 11, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

have to agree

Its not like he did not see these moves coming. Everyone who has moved on has someone to replace them. LT – check. WR – check. DE – check. DT – Im really excited about those guys. They could be stars

May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.

by ryanwk628 on Aug 11, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So just got a tweet saying

Smith was 4-6 weeks away from today. Thats week 3 or 4 LMAO. Either Smith lied about giving the GMen a chance to match or the Gmen drop the ball.

The greatest player ever!!!

by terellchewy on Aug 11, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

That's not 4-6 away from being fully back

Who knows how long that will take?

It’s fine to trust Reese, but I think it’s a mistake for him not to speak to the media after what’s been going on.

by Mount17 on Aug 11, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this...

but I’m not sure what to make of it.

by baadfish on Aug 11, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relatively new to the site

Happen to be one of the Gmen fans who are far from the ledge and actually excited about the fresh turnover in our roster—excited to see our last two second-round picks get some serious playing time, JPP turn into a hell raiser and Hakim Nicks take it to the next level.

Don’t tear me a new one becuase I’m not trolling; How is there so much confidence in Eli Manning? YES; I know he won a superbowl, but he is by far the most frustrating player on this team and in my personal opinion, (despite what the clueless msm has been saying the past few days) the ONLY thing holding this team back.

Aren’t his turnovers disconcerting? Will he ever throw a deep touchdown? Don’t give me stats becuase we have one of the most talented receiving corpse in the league and just becuase you want someone on your fantasy team, doesn’t mean you want them on your real team.

Why is there still so much confidence in the anointed one?

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Eli is a winner

In the clutch he’s still one of the best in the 2 min. offense. Besides, when all the receivers consistently catch the damn ball then the INT problem will be solely on Eli’s shoulders.

GO BIG BLUE!!! I am an unapologetic Eli supporter. Haters aren't welcome in my corner of the world!

by telcochik on Aug 11, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be forever grateful for his superbowl performance

But he has never won a home playoff game—I believe given the talent of his supporting cast the past 6 years, this is inexusable.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which home playoff game

did the team lose because of Eli?

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be a legitimate question

If you were fine with your quarterback “not losing” games, rather than winning them.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is your question legitimate?

First of all it’s a team sport and the whole team has to earn the home field playoff game so that Eli can go out and win it all by himself, as you’re asking him to do. I don’t recall Eli being the problem when they actually had home playoff games. Was it Eli’s fault that they were on the road and won every game of the ’07 playoffs?

As for, “will he ever throw a deep touchdown?”, thanks for telling us that you’re the “new guy” cuz we never would’ve guessed otherwise.

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I realize he had some deep plays. I’m just frustrated by the amount of open receivers he missed down field.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

just becuase I’m “new” doesn’t mean I don’t know football; I just haven’t been brainwashed yet.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't have to be "brainwashed" to see that Eli is a great quarterback.

You just have to….you know….watch the games.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, I am far from the only person who has this perspective…is it possible that you may not be 100 % right?

I mean I’m getting blown out of the water on this site beucase apparently its taboo to speak ill of Eli, but I guess that’s just how it is. I guess I won’t bring this up anymore lol

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job tito

rec’d

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually you seem to be one of very few who say

“he’s not a very good quarterback”. Most “Eli Critics” make the points of he is not elite, Not top 10, never gonna be Peyton, Rivers is better, Romo would of won 3 SBs if he had the Giant D, etc. Its very rare you hear “he’s not a very good quarterback”

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoaa

when did I say he’s not good? In fact, I remember saying he IS a very good quarterback.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

my mistake

I misread part of another statement. My fault, disregard my pervious statement

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

all good

My point was to ask for reason why I should trust Eli and you guys have provided tons of info; I just got more than I bargained for lol. Just consider me a skeptic thats all.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

But the Dave Brown comparisons were a shock

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

point was

that i can take great plays and games from one of the worst qbs in Giants history and If I ONLY mention those and disregarded his countless shortcomings and follies, I can make him sound like a great player—Eli is nowhere near Dave Brown

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

but opposite can be done… only mention the worst games/moments by great QBs and make them sound like bums. Stats work both ways

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that Brees and his 22 ints.

He sucks! Plus he lost that first round playoff game to the SeaHawks. He’s awful.

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 11, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Town, you have every right to bring this up.

Especially when you do so in a “normal” manner. Some people just start spewing how Eli sucks, and he’s a turn over machine, has a wierd face, etc. You sound like a good Giants fan who just doubts Eli.

That’s fine. We can talk about it until the cows come home and keep talking about it after we have a fourth Lombardi in the trophy case.

To quote Ernie Accorsi,who drafted Eli, when speaking to owner Wellington Mara: “This kid is gonna win you a championship, and he’s gonna win you more than one.” He got the first part right…

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

by tommy d. on Aug 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I’m very critical of Eli, but I do consider myself a true Giant fan and football-competent

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

great, a "why do Giant fans like Eli" debate

have never see this before

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

new to the site

just wanted some points without the sarcastic comments; don’t have to answer me

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

not directed at you

but this site has had this arugment 10,000 times over. Just not in the mood to type why this is not true. But I will say a few things.
Will he ever throw a deep touchdown…. guess you missed a few playes last year when Ham and Nicks both had huge plays… Eli to Ham in week 17 was the longest TD reception og the year… for any team.
most talented receiving corpse…. in 2009 they were nobody’s. Doesn’t the QB get credit for making these young players good.

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

best typo of the day...
most talented receiving corpse…. in 2009 they were nobody’s. Doesn’t the QB get credit for making these young players good.

In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.

"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon

by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 11, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I just copied “corpse” from Town’s post… did not realize till later it was a typo

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

mine wasn’t a typo—dead guys don’t count against the cap

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please no more Eli debates

Please can’t take anymore Falls down crying.

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

TIZ MUH FAVORITE PART OF BBVZ!!!!!!!

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know lol

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Aug 11, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i now know never to do this again

I’ll refrain (at least until the season starts)

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry

i predict at least 6 fanposts about Eli this season, the debate never ends

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"the ONLY thing holding this team back."

SO many things wrong with this comment.

The guy threw for 4,000 yards and 30+ TDs last year. He’s thrown for 3200 yards and 20+ Tds every year he’s been a starter in the league. He’s never missed a start, not with separated shoulders, not with plantar whatever. Do you have any idea how integral that is to a team? Having the same leader in the locker room and on the field cool as a cucumber at all times? How he handles the young players, how he handles the media, how he prepares for games and absolutely OWNS teams at the line of scrimmage.

Just look at the first Cowboys game from last year, he started awful, but did he get down on himself? No…he brought the team back from a 21 point first quarter deficit to win that game. How did he do it? Out smarting Wade Phillips defense every step of the way.

Go watch the Giants vs. Jaguars game from last year. Look at who the receivers were, look at how they won the game. Derek Hagan? Mark Clayton? That Jaguars team was leading the division at that time. Eli makes EVERYONE on this team better…so good in fact, some poorly misinformed fans will confuse him for being the weakest link.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can cherry pick

some of Dave Brown’s greatest hits too.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

your funny

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're comparing Eli

to Dave Brown, you’re obviously a troll.

Thanks for stopping by.

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m obvioulsy not, I’m just saying if i mentioned only Dave Brown’s greatest moments, I can make him seem like a HOFer if I don’t mention the countless times he sucked. I’d take Eli over him countless times over.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No you couldn't.

I’d love to see you try though…so please do.

Make Dave Brown sound like a HOFer.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

this I gotta hear

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent rebuttle.

You know how many quarterbacks have had the type of consistent success that Eli Manning has had?

Pretty historic company…

http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/7/21/1579622/eli-manning-is-elite

Knowledge my man. Is power.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tito, you're the man, still on the crusader for Eli

I love it. He’s gonna have a bounce-back year in terms of INT’s, and I don’t know if he’ll throw 30+ TD’s again… but I wouldn’t be surprised.

by dannymac56 on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell nah

He won’t come close to 30 tds.

I hope they run the rock 10x as much this year, thats when E is at his best.

I’m thinkin 22 Tds 3300 yards 10 interceptions.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be happy with that and

AB, BJ, and AB Jr, (that’s Andre Brown) all at 800+ yards.

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed here as well

Eli is at his best with the playaction pass.

by BigBlueForever on Aug 11, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude your throwing all these plugs of your own posts in my face

and tons of stats but I don’t think you’re reading what I’m writing. You are just throwing your default argument at me. I’m not saying Eli has no skills or that he’s not a very good quarterback.

I get that you are never going to wake up one day and hate on Eli becuase he’s your boy, but I don’t think he has enough magic left from 2007. If (when) we win another sb, it won’t be because of him, it will be in spite of him. I’m not going to change your mind, you won’t change my mind. I’m truly sorry I even made this post lol—I’ll keep my remarks Eli-Free from now on.

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...I will take my silly statistics and ridiculous "fact based arguments" home.

How ridiculous of me to think they’d be valid in such a discussion.

Good day sir.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I SAID GOOD DAY!

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude you gotta stop

I just busted out laughing in the office from this picture… then had to pretend like I was coughing

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right?

How can I look at that and pretend to work at the same time?

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

i’m still laughing, its only a matter of time till I make an a** out of myself at work

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that happened to me today in the comedy thread

when i read:

“fucking die”

in response to SS leaving.

TeamJPP

by andiamo708 on Aug 11, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahhaahahahah

i see why

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on the pic

I’ll admit when I’ve been 1 upped

by Town on Aug 11, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna

keep biting my tongue and say nothing but then this pile of fail statement came up on my screen

I get that you are never going to wake up one day and hate on Eli becuase he’s your boy, but I don’t think he has enough magic left from 2007. If (when) we win another sb, it won’t be because of him, it will be in spite of him
football more so than just about any sport is about the team not the individual. If not for Eli we don’t win anything. Dude threw 30 td passes. Most of the ints were on tipped balls not bad throws but it still goes on Eli. When all is said and done the dude will have given us more than one ring and will go down in history as a top 15 QB in the history of the game. So get on the Eli wagon and quit drinking the KOOL-AID

by bigbluefan1985 on Aug 11, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

enough said

+10 and rec

'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Reese is avoiding the media

He hasn’t said anything since training camp started. I don’t know why he has to appease the media and speak up just because Smith signed with the Eagles.

"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin

It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!

by GhostDini on Aug 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

'Bout Time

Great post…puts it all into perspective.

by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Letting good young players go in place of unproven late rounders is not a good plan

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Aug 11, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Which late rounder?

2nd round Barden?
3rd round Jernigan?
2nd round Devin Thomas?

Or were you not referring to the WR’s?

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Musta been referring to

2nd round Marvin Austin and 2nd round Linval Joseph replace 4th round Cofield

Or maybe 2nd round Will Beatty.

by TNYFBG on Aug 11, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he means

3rd rounder Beckum replacing 5th rounder Boss

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 11, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he means

letting ward go because of bradshaw…

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll see what happens

but this is year 3 of not dealing with the LB problem with some sort of urgency.

Drafting LB’s at position 3 and below is not dealing with the issue

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Aug 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Goff is only getting better.

Boley is an above average coverage Linebacker, he’s just too small to hold up well against a power run game, and Kiwi at LB is maybe the best move we made all off season. So, how do we have a LB problem?

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the common denominator

Well, after watching his team fail to get where it wanted to go in each of the past three seasons (including the 2008 playoff flop) Reese HAS done something different. He just hasn’t done it in a specatacular, flashy way.

has been TC’s failure to make late season adjustments. There’s no other explanation for his pitiful late season record.

by GMen56-11 on Aug 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I have long felt that way

but I think this time things will be different. The fact that he’s giving so many young players an opportunity at playing time is new. The fact that he’s willing to change the offense to help Beckum is new. The fact that Linval Joseph is listed as the starting DT over a veteran like Bernard is new.

"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin

It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!

by GhostDini on Aug 11, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed to a point

I also put it on the players and not rising to the occasion.

The game plan on Philly last year was awesome and the players both times just failed.

Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame

by The Curse on Aug 11, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the players fail, that's on the coach

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Aug 11, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup,

TC was out there tripping Eli.

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants have always played miserably in the 2nd half of seasons under Coughlin

Is that all on the players???

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Aug 11, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always?

Sometimes it coaching, sometimes it’s lack of execution (which does fall on the players if they have been taught and practiced the plays), sometimes it’s injuries, and sometimes you win the superblow!

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think loosing all of our WR's last season

had anything to do with our late season collapse..

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

The Giants inexplicably tried to run the ball behind O’Hara to close out the game. That wasn’t smart. Look at this video. At the end you’ll hear Aikman talking about how O’Hara is giving up hits on Eli and how he’s having problems.

Youtube link

I don’t believe the defense was the same at the end of the game. Rolle was playing back more instead of pressuring Vick as he was earlier in the game.

"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin

It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!

by GhostDini on Aug 11, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's right

they came in with a good plan and got stupid towards the end.

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Reese I will always trust !!!

by NYGFAN328 on Aug 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont know about anyone else, But if someone should be blamed for this offseason,

I blame Coughlin more than I would blame Reese. There is just no excuse other than injury why 2nd 3rd and even 4th round picks do not get ANY playing time.

With coughlin being either to loyal to Vet’s or to stubbern to play rook’s is a big reason we are where we are. Reese has to force TC’s hand just so we can see what we have on our roster. With a little more playing time for the “youngins” JR would have had a much better idea of how to shape our roster. Now JR has to force Coughlin to play them.

by TampaGiant on Aug 11, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

steve smith

The only pro bowl receiver the Giants have had in recent history and what do they do but trade him to their arch rival the Eagles. The Eagles have signed 5 pro bowl players in the last 2 weeks… As a Giants fan I am so maddddddddddddddd and pissssssssssed. Agggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

by James R on Aug 11, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

We didn’t trade him.

It does suck to see him go however, especially the Eagles.

We’re still a very good team, and this season is riding on the kids. They have boat loads of potential for sure, and we will finally get to see whether they live up to it.

I’m looking at you JPP, Joseph, Austin, Beatty, Barden, Beckum, Hynoski, Sintim etc etc etc.

Its time to step up.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as half step up it'll be a good year.

As long as Beatty’s in the good half, that is.

by Matt V on Aug 11, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

If Beatty plays well, one of Austin/Joseph plays well, JPP plays well if Osi doesn’t, one of Bear/Beckum/Ballard steps up, Hynoski/Bear can block, and a LB or two besides Goff or Boley play solid football (Tracy, Sintim, Jones, Herzlich, etc) we will be good.

It’s a lot of ifs, but theres a lot of talent. I think we’ll be fine, just not as good as last year. I still think we make the playoffs however because EFF 7-9 teams getting in.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Aug 11, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicks is a pro bowl WR and Manningham is one too

Smith was the only one to make it, but its not like they don’t have guys who were that caliber.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I'm a little late to the party but...

I’m going to be straight up with how I feel about this off-season. We’ve had to deal with a lot of bumps in the road, no question. This is still a good football team. It is a winning football team. Is it a playoff team? If they cut down on turnovers, stupid mistakes and injuries? Definitely.

Here’s the thing about Steve Smith and Kevin Boss. You can call KB a security blanket all you want, but he had the HIGHEST drop rate of all tight ends last season. Hell, if anything that blanket was laced with smallpox. His inconsistency hurt our passing game last season.

Steve Smith was being marginalized before he got injured. Hakeem Nicks is a superstar in the making and Mario Manningham is one helluva dynamic WR. He had a 900 yard season despite being the #3 option for part of the season, and lining up with WRs pulled off of the street for the other part. Are you kidding me? He was almost top 20! Add that to the, he’s a risk to score every time he touches the ball factor and I won’t miss SS12’s catch-and-fall-down act at all.

by GiantNomad on Aug 11, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with some of this,

but I still feel like we will miss SS, especially on 3rd downs.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Reese I trust and never doubted

there might be some questionable moves along the way, whether the results are positive or negative… I don’t doubt his abilities and what he wants to bring to the Giants. He has always been a class act to me. So yes, I questioned some of his moves, but never doubted Reese.

On that note we still have a Secret Weapon – the newer and improved version of Plax,
Plax v 6.0 – haha
and his name is Ramses Barden
it’s yours for the taking…. just ask TC

I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...

by 27Tango on Aug 11, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

THE PHARAOH!!!

All hail!!!

Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...

by Skii31 on Aug 11, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anger

I was too angry with lost of SS12 yesterday. Then I thought about it he can’t even play and that is alot of money to give to player who may never play again. In Reese I do Trust? Lets do this thing and win it all this year.

by Giantstep on Aug 11, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Changes

Don’t forget about him bringing in one of the best punters in the league last year. That could be more important than the Jets signing Plax. I think he has done pretty good with the cap space he has had.

by AlbanyJames on Aug 11, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Question:

Why didn’t the Jets bring back the punter we picked up?

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

They were too busy clearing cap space to sign Asumugha

Oops, they didn’t sign him? My bad.

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

If anyone thinks the Jets improved this offseason

you’re drunk. They lost Edwards, their best possession WR Cotchery, and their best play maker in Smith, and replaced them with Plax and a 68 year old Derrick Mason, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. They lost their punter, to us, they lost Sean Ellis, to the Patriots, which is about the same as us losing SS to the Eagles. They lost Kris Jenkins, and Damien Woody retired. They are not better.

"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning

SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!

by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 11, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

unfortunately, last I checked (today) he is not

I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...

and secret agents
#13 & #47

by 27Tango on Aug 12, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Losing Boss will hurt there isnt a replacement for what he did available , if beckum could block he wouldve been playing , giants will be looking for te early in the draft next year

by tigafur on Aug 11, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Disagree

  Would have to poo poo your tight end assessment. Not your assessment of his ability, he was average to slightly better that average, but he was someone who could both block and catch. None of the personal currently in camp can do that. Remember…..pay attention now, the idea is to run off pass formations and pass off run formations. I am anxiously awaiting the debut of Hynoski, as he would make the offense less predictable. 25-30 balls?

by Al Czervik on Aug 11, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You damn right in Reese I trust

I’m not worried at all … sure losing Smith to the Iggles is disgusting but he’s a WR who’s had the second worst knee injury you can have ( the patella replacement injury that kelenna azuibuke of the knicks had is the worst ) and he’s a possession reciever who’s quicker than he is fast. So if he doesn’t regain his speed or quickness than really what does he got cuz he’s about 5’10.

The Giants got younger, bigger and more athletic on the Offensive and Defensive lines … and that should lead to them being healthier too.

You want the big attraction grabbing signings well you need cap space and by not overpaying to retain your own guys and putting young guys in a position to compete for playing time is how you accomplish that goal. I’m not worried about the Eagles we went 0-2 last year against them worst we can do is go 0-2 again. We won 10 games last year without Smith. without Ohara , without Kiwanuka etc and that was considered to be underachieving. If we win 10 games again odds are we make the playoffs and everybody has got a chance once you get in there … In Reese I trust!

by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 11, 2011 7:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

That Jernigan pick is looking all the wiser

I’m gonna stick with the #12. Show it Jerrel

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

It is pretty awesome than he took #12 like that.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 11, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said he wore #3 in college, then the WR coach asked him if he wanted the #12

and since it’s like 1 and 2 = 3
he took it…

I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...

and secret agents
#13 & #47

by 27Tango on Aug 12, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Reese didn't like what he saw from the 2008-2010 Giants which is why he is making these big changes

They’ve proven that they can’t be an elite team that goes to the playoffs every year and is fighting for a SB.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 12, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Steve Smith defecting sucks...

but I’m more excited about this team than I have been in a while. Maybe it’s post-lockout hangover (We actually have football!), but I really like the commitment from the FO to going young.

"Sometimes it doesn’t work out the way you want it to work out, but we play the hand we’re dealt and we’ll win with it." -- Giants GM Jerry Reese

In Reese I trust.

by GiantFanInPackerLand on Aug 12, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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