Steve Smith Is An Eagle -- Instant Reaction
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2011 9:27 PM EDT
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PrintI have to admit I have not yet completely wrapped my head around Steve Smith's stunning decision to sign a free-agent contract with the Philadelphia Eagles -- a punch to the stomach I am sure the Giants did not see coming. Nonetheless, as my mind spins and the story continues to develop, let me give you some of my initial thoughts.
Let me start with this. The Giants seemingly played a very dangerous game with Smith -- letting him dangle on the free-agent vine figuring there would be no other legitimate offers. After all, despite his protests, Smith does not figure to be ready until well after the season starts. The Eagles, in fact, acknowledge he is unlikely to be in uniform until near mid-season.
The Giants have lost that dangerous game. And right now there is panic -- and anger -- throughout the fan base.
Smith initially did not want, or expect this. The Giants, though, let him dangle even after he visited the team this week and Smith said the "Eagles have been involved pretty diligently for weeks now. We were waiting and waiting (for the Giants)".
On his Facebook page -- where, incidentally, he is getting absolutely killed by crushed Giants fans -- Smith said "the eagles wanted me to be part of their organization MUCH more than the Giants did."
Translation -- the Giants were not about to give a $2 million guarantee to a receiver whose health they weren't sure of. Even if that receiver is a guy who is the only receiver in franchise history to surpass 100 catches. Even if he is a guy whose importance to Giants' quarterback Eli Manning the past three seasons cannot be understated.
So, Smith -- like Kevin Boss days before him -- took the guaranteed money and ran -- or in his current physical condition, jogged -- away from the Giants.
This is a huge PR hit for the Giants. Mike Garafolo of the Star-Ledger summed up the reaction with this tweet: "How in the world could the Giants let that happen???????? This is incredible."
Without doubt this is a PR nightmare for general manager Jerry Reese, coach Tom Coughlin and the Giants organization. With fans already up in arms over the losses the Giants have suffered, and the gains the Eagles had already made, one of the team's best and most popular players has defected to the enemy.
New York Giants cornerback Terrell Thomas took to Twitter to say he understood Smith's decision.
"Y'all might not like this, but this is the business aspect of football, at the end of the day you gotta take care of your family," Thomas tweeted. "Football ain't guaranteed, and at the end of the day it's a job and about the money! We love this game but it don't love you back."
Trying to get past the emotion of the moment, though, the real question is what impact will this have on the field? At least in 2011 the answer could well be not a whole lot. At least the Giants need to hope that turns out to be the answer.
Face reality with Smith. He likely won't be active until several weeks into the season, probably long after the Giants and Eagles meet in Week 3. When he comes back, he probably won't be the Steve Smith of old right away. Remember Kenny Phillips a year ago, his first after microfracture surgery. Even with a training camp Phillips never approached being the player he looked like he would become before the surgery.
Smith is a possession slot receiver. His game depends on precision cuts and exquisite timing, as well as his excellent hands. Can he make those cuts consistenly and run those routes over the middle as sharply post-surgery? With little or no practice can he develop any rapport with Eagles quarterback Michael Vick? Shoot, with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Jason Avant already there, how much is Smith actually going to play?
From the Giants side, maybe someone from the group of Domenik Hixon, Ramses Barden, Victor Cruz, Jerrel Jernigan and Devin Thomas will step up and give the Giants more than Smith would have this season, anyway.
We won't know until the games begin, of course. Any way you slice this one, however, it is a bitter pill for Giants fans to swallow.
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For some reason,
I really don’t care about losing SS12 to the Eagles. I’m not sure why.
by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 10, 2011 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I am on that boat as well.
"Kick ass. pop champagne. And get some ho's"-Hideki Matsui
by Livestrong77nyy on Aug 10, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto.
he is well loved but is over rated.
That is ridiculous
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
when healthy
ss12 is a very very good receiver
This is a big longer term loss and anyone who does not see that has not been paying attention
I understand the finances. I understand the cap situation. He should not have gotten away.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
agree
say what you want about him for 2011… linited, PUP, half season, IR, etc. But he is still young and will be a very good WR for years. Sigh
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is
We lost SS12 the great young receiver the second he suffered that terrible injury. By the time he is as healed as he’s ever going to be, which is not happening during this one year deal, he won’t be young anymore, and he may never be as great at the things he once did. It is a terrible, career altering, injury. All that the Eagles signing did was make me come to terms with what I already kind of knew. The Steve Smith I loved was gone.
by JTMacc on Aug 11, 2011 6:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Its seems we have a lot of jumpers on the ledge tonight..
Pay a man 2 mil for one year that might not even be our 3rd best receiver…. Kudos to JR
In Reese We Trust.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
i agree
Take the emotion out of it and it is not that big of deal. SS is hurt this year and who knows how that will play out, he is slow and was not the top receiver on the team last year while he was healthy. Now we can move in a younger more dynamic and faster receiver. This will turn out better for the Giants. I will miss SS but time to move on.
by GiantFaninColorado on Aug 10, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree with this too...we got a nice stable full of talent
and Nicks leading the way, is really really nice to have and makes me sleep easier
That's just Ridiculous!
agreed
Let him make 4 mill while rehabbing with the Eagles…who knows maybe he’ll realize the grass isn’t greener next year and come back home. I’ll take a healthy SS back next year
Really?
Because i felt my stomach turn. He was one of my favorite players, and to have him go to the Eagles really burns me. I know the Giants let him sit out there but he still went to the Eagles. I am tired of them, they need to be crushed.
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Aug 10, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Bills fan, but
I like to follow the Giants because I’m from NY and I love me some NY sports teams (but hate the Jets for obvious reasons). I also happen to own Mario Manningham in a dynasty league of mine so I’ve been following this situation pretty religiously.
With that said, you really have to trust your GM here. I know it hurts to lose a beloved player that has done so much for your team the past 3 seasons. But dang, you know you’re going to have a top 5 receiving tandem in Nick/Mario right? Dudes are straight up nasty. And microfracture surgeries are no joke. Like Mr. Valentine outlined, SS12 won’t be back to the field until maybe week 7. He won’t be back to the SS12 of the past 3 years at all in 2011. So paying him $2mill in guaranteed money is outrageous. He may never return to form honestly. So I give a lot of credit to Jerry Reese, and certainly the medical staff whom I’m sure checked that knee out and determined it wasn’t worth $2mill this year.
by BFFL on Aug 11, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
maybe I should copy n paste this.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
im sure why
because smith suffered a mahor injury last year, will not be able to make the same cuts that made him great out in space, and we have two receivers that are better than him in the dream and super mario
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 11, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
this might have happened anyway but
if we dont make the postseason….the pressure on mara to clean house will be immense.
Almost a physical impossibility
playing well late would be possible, but would take a lot of things to happen.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Smitty is out until early october.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
But this is a foolish move for the Eagles really
Smith i possession receiver
Vick does not throw possession routes well at all
Where does he fit in?
I don’t see it being anything more than a hurtful issue but as far as SS12 being much to the Eagles, I would be surprised greatly
Excellent Point
Watching Vick’s throwing last year, I noticed that he was fairly accurate at the beginning of the season and as time passed, it became extremely sloppy. SS’s anticipated return is sceduled to take place during the latter part of the season and therefore coincides with with the latter.
I don’t think that it was more or less what SS could contirbute to the Eagles that compelled the Eagles to sign him, it was what he would have possibly contributed to the Giants. Football games are won by decisions that are made off the field as well as decisions that are made on the field and this could be a perfect example of such. I say we sit back and let the season determine if this development is a blemish to the Giants organization or the Eagles. After all, that is all we can do.
28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 7:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
long time no hear LoN
good to see you back
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the love TAWD.
Good to be back. Ready for another season.
28 points in 7:28. Yeah, thats the punter's fault.
by LoNJDTechnology on Aug 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hells yeah
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That's nonsense
The Eagles offense is an attacking defense, the only real receiver they have that is a possession receiver is Avant and he only plays on 3rd down basically. If you throw in SS in a 4 WR set Vick can still have two guys that back the safety’s off and then Avant and SS working the underneath, which Vick can hit.
I dont believe so..
See, Somewhere out there Dan Snyder is looking at the Eagles laughing… thinking to himself "I already did that (buying a superbowl) it doesnt work… "
Mara was most likely in on all the conversations with personnel. I wouldnt be surprised if Mara and JR conjured up the whole “Reload” thing together. Cause everything that has happened is completely against what Coughlin is all about.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
I suspect it's more likely that JR won an internal power struggle
Mara’s have been a GM ownership, lately kind of watching JR, but he’s proven adept at winning while getting younger, and more athletic
My sense, the team will follow JR’s path more than TC’s. TC will be totally in control of onfield game day, but the team has studiously left him few of the “old guard” options, that can’t be an accident.
it is a mathematical truism that removing the highest number from a group will lower the group's average
so yes.
Fire Gilbride
Please, Knicks
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I am very upset BUT...
This only opens the doors for our young guys (Barden, Cruz, Jernigan, D. Thomas and possibly Darius Reynaud) to fight and push each other for that 3rd receiver spot. Same with Boss leaving this now opens the doors for Beckum and Bear to show us what they are worth. Its time for the young guys to become players in this league. The G-Men need them NOW!
No doubt sad
But this team will continue to move forward. This is not going to cripple the giants. If anything it will make them stronger because, like I said before, the young guys are really going to push each other for PT.
It’s a business for both the giants and SS. JR is not going to overpay for damaged goods (no matter what) and SS just took philly’s money will not be a huge threat on that team.
Thomas is at least as old as SS12 and he sucks. I lived in DC when they drafted, he isn’t any good. If he was good the Skins would have played him, and kept him.
Fair enough
But the practice reports from MG were suggesting otherwise until he broke his finger. If he makes the team I think he could be a good addition to special teams but I doubt they would carry him just for that.
Yes
I was pretty devastated when my high school girlfriend dumped my sorry ass.
all it took was one or two ladies for me to forget that girl’s name.
Looking forward to the Barden, Cruz, Jernigan era.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
Im in complete agreement
Personally I think Barden (if he ever gets on the field and stays healthy) and Jernigan bring totally different skill sets to the 3rd receiver spot. Either of them would make our receiving core much more dynamic if they play up to their potential. We shall see.
I agree
with the statements near the end of this article. . We have to remember where we are cap wise, and is it wise to give prime dollar to a WR that wont start right away and unsure if he will make a impact this season. Better safe than sorry. IMO Smith got his panties in a wad because the Giants were being cautious and the Eagles were smart enough to get better in the sense of addition by subtraction. The youngins needed to step up to begin with, this just pushes them further.
Pissed we lost him, especially to them
but I’m not gonna act like I was expecting him to be SS12 right away. Maybe week 8 of the season, so I’d assume then is when we need to be taking a look at this. Kinda like Cofield, you realize that Smith was possibly going to be an odd man out even without the injury when they drafted Jernigan.
Also its not like all those other guys weren’t going to have to step up and be needed now anyway. Now they’re just gonna have to play longer.
It also most likely means Manningham isn’t going anywhere, ever.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I will put my pessism away about this (just for one moment) because...
As you allude to hopefully I will hear my favorite phrase even more often this year:
“Manning to Manningham.” Sheer poetry to my ears!
by Manningologist on Aug 10, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tack on another 2-3 weeks of practice time and getting to know their offense
not just the books, but how it runs
That's just Ridiculous!
Still shocked
However badly we f***cked him over, I would have thought he would have shown a little bit of respect for the team that made him, by not going to our biggest rivals, But i guess we just need someone else to step up big time now
by TheNotoriousDJC on Aug 10, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
we didnt screw him over..
he played out his contract. was hurt badly, and we did the whole lets assess our situation thing… he got pissed, the eagles offered him 2 mil to play for half a year and he did it, without ever looking back. Hell I will play 8 games for 2 mil. even if it was for the Eagles. one year out of my life I despise myself for a lifetime of security??
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
one year out of my life that I will despise my life.... for a lifetime of security...
that is what I meant.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
Cap management
For 2011 Eagles did it well. JR and Giants did not
That is all.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
wow he is getting destroyed on facebook
he shoulda just said “Im taking my talents to The Link”
i'm sad
but i understand. the giants were not going to give a guy coming off of microfracture a 2mm gtee with 4mm overall. they have too much experience with this type of injury.
and by the way, steve smith’s stretch for a first down the play before plax scored the TD in the SB is one of the most overlooked plays in history. i will miss him. very much. good luck steve.
Best of luck to SS12
He just played the game of football business.
Be healthy and play well, against everyone but the NYG!
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
"What's Unbelieveable is Believeable Now"
apparently it HAS fallen!!!
OH, NO…
We’re going to go 0 and 12
The guy wasn’t even gonna hit the field until then,
and NEVER be the same player he was!!!
Players like him come and go in this league all the time!!
If you don’t recover from the lose, THEN you’re dead!!!
Boss was one more concussion from being IR’d for life
if the people around him know what’s good for him.
I rather enjoy hearing all this talk about the EAGLES…
sounds like that “COWBOYS win the superbowl in September”
shit we’ve all heard before.
(and… screw the JETS while we’re at it!!!)
What's gonna happen
to the other 4? Or, are we just conceding the Lombardi to the Philthy Birds after 12 weeks?
i'm pissed that he's such a sellout, but what can you say
he’s just trying to get that money. i’ve calmed down about it a little, but i still lost a lot of respect for him. to go to the eagles? he knows how disrespectful that is to giants fans. i guess i just figured he was a bigger man than that. guess not.
he’s not going to be the SS12 of old, so we’ll see how many years he signs for and see how long we’ll have to wait until he returns to form. i know one thing: when he comes back to giants stadium wearing green, it’s going to be a loud chorus of BOOOOOOOOs
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
its always about the money man
dont kid yourself. If we throw enough money at djax he’d be a giant next year. it’s just the nature of the business. Pay lip service to your fans and organization, but thats all secondary to getting paid.
Jackson's not tall enough
to catch a pass from Eli
by MrDollarBills on Aug 10, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Eli turn down an autograph request from you?
I’ve seen jihadists with less of a grudge against a particular person.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, that's what i said.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
On some level, I'm not really surprised
At least, after the initial shock. I think we all probably let ourselves be too optimistic about the condition of his knee. When it happened, there were plenty of stories about it being a career-ender. We’ll see how that all pans out, but if the Giants were unwilling to better the offer he got from the Eagles, then that says a LOT about the level of confidence they have in his knee.
I mean, what kind of contract did we all think he was going to sign? Everybody knew it’d be either 1 or 2 years. Did we all think he was going to sign for 1M guaranteed?
So yeah… take that Eagles! Boom!
Im all right with this. We have plenty of receiver talent, and only so many footballs to go around. Let him go. How many catches does he think he’ll get with the Eagles? And I hold no resentment towards him. It’s a business. I’m still very optimistic about this season. We have a defense with something to prove, a still very capable offense, and the best QB in the NFC East.
Small defencemen? What small defencemen?
The Eagles! Really!
More bad news. Enough already. But, the reality is that Smith is not fit to start the season and even when he is able to start practicing, there is no timetable for him to get into a game. You do not through money at a player just to keep him away from another team. The Giants are not the Yankees. There is a hard salary cap in the NFL. You cannot waste money. Smith is beloved by the fans. GET OVER IT. I am tired of hearing Giants fans crying like a bunch of five year old girls. The regular season hasn’t even started yet. The first pre-season game hasn’t been played yet. Lets not lose all hope just yet. OK?
Whats worse
Sinorce Moss proving he is not a bust and has a good year… for the eagles?
OR
Steve Smith coming in midseason and lighting it up on third down… for the eagles?
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
They ought to sign Tiki too
they can be the Giants of Christmas Past
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 10, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
would not shock me
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
That’s one I could not stomach. Steve Smith is an easy guy to like, so I’m happy to have him on the team… but Tiki? None of us would like that.
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I'm pretty sure the top one is not gonna happen
so probably the 2nd one.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
logic says so but
you never know
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
just naming
the worse cases
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling
there may be a pretty good chance Steve Smith doesn’t play a down this season. Or maybe he tries to come back but can’t make enough of an impact to justify being on the field… something like that. If he winds up having a big impact then the Giants need to evaluate what is going on with their medical assessments.
If Moss has a good year with the Eagles… well that might be the most damning thing that could happen to everyone involved in the Giants offense for the past I dont even know how many years.
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 10, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
thats why I asked
If Moss plays great… Giant coaching staff and front office sucks
If SS12 plays great… Giant medical staff and front office sucks
man both of these suck
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If Moss and SS12 get cut before the season
and it comes to light they were only brought on to help beat the Giants… Giants FO sucks!!!
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
How would they help beat the Giants
if they are cut? That would be an indictment on the Eagles FO, for giving 2 mil guaranteed and cutting the player.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith know the offense prob. better than Eli
Paying 2 mil guaranteed to an injured player, that had a very rare injury…
is either indictment of the Eagles FO having complete faith in a turn around fo smith (which our training staff did not)..
a resolve to trying to figure out how best to defend against the giants (we had no problem scoring against them, just scoring when it mattered)
Or and indictment for how poorly their own receivers are….
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
Better than Eli?
Yeah no. That’s just flat out silly. I never saw Smith calling out audibles based on the defense. I’m also pretty certain the Eagles have multiple coaches/staffers whose sole point in life is to compile video of opponents offenses. They know what we call, and we know what they call. Coaches get kudos for calling brilliant plays, but the difference between a brilliant play and a busted play is ALWAYS the execution of each player.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well despite all this, I still like Steve Smith
Moss on the other hand…
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
Giants Rebuilding
Face it, Reese is rebuilding and letting the young find their roles. Giants are in transition. Can’t really assess what Reese is doing until after FA next year.Reese is not agreeing to any dumb contracts right now and sacrificing the future.
um....
SS12 signed a 1 yr deal. We aint rebuilding. You can definatly assess Reese on the time he’s spent as the giants GM. His drafting has been okay. He hasnt done too well in FA (Boley Rolle Canty all overpaid)
Rebuilding with a team that went 10-6 is the definition of stupidity.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
OK retooling?
Giants need to shed some of their familiar faces, and fill with their spots with their youth. Reese is not diving into signing dumb contracts with older players, especially with injuries. I still look at as a transition. no one can convince me we are making a run to the SB this year? Lets not be extreme. Maybe rebuilding was too strong a word.
The Patriots ran to the SB
We walked.. no need to run
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
gone over this before
transition and rebuilding are two different things
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see where we lost big time players here that says we're rebuilding
we lost parts. Good parts. But aside from Boss there’s obvious replacements all across the board. And we’re talking about DT, a position where he plays with three other experienced players. WR, ditto.
Not sure we’re in transition. Not when we have a franchise QB, a WR the caliber of Nicks and a defensive line and secondary with the talent we have.
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by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, minor fine tuning?
Evidently rebuilding is really the wrong word for what i was trying to express. But i think my assessment is close. Call it what you will, but it looks like a transition of some kind to me. When faves are let loose change is on the way.
Its a transition I guess that new players have to step up in certain roles
that I agree, and its obvious.
Does this mean we’re not trying to win? I absolutely disagree. There’s too much talent on this team to say we’re not going to be able to win.
When you draft well, you get depth. When you have depth, letting players go is part of it. I hate losing Smith, but looking back on it as soon as that injury happened the writing was on the wall. Same goes with the OL cuts. Boss is probably the only one that there wasn’t an obvious reason, aside from being overpaid, that he wasn’t retained. I’m also not gonna say that replacing Kevin Boss is going to get in the way of winning.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not pessimistic. Just looking down the road.
Just because i am admitting it looks like giants are ready to tap into their own youth / draft picks does not mean they are not trying to win. i just think they know it will take more than the year, and their decisions are reflecting this. And Reese is leery of injury prone players – SS because of his knee, and KB because of his concussions. he seems too conservative to get loose with those contracts. i take no pleasure trying to explain Reeses decisions. Some of them i really don’t understand. But, I am going to take pleasure watching the next generation play.
if you remember, SS was out that last few games of last season
the Coaches got use to planning for this already…
That's just Ridiculous!
JR is trying to manage the cap
So he can do next year what the Eagles are doing this year
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
if they bend on Osi because of this
i will be very upset.
Who cares
Get Osi’s ass back in the rotation. I’m a fan, I want to win a Super Bowl. I will quickly get over Osi’s antics after his first strip sack of the season…and so will all of you.
I was not pleased with him for most of last year
his lack of run D is still too big of a downer, it hurts the team.
Seriously?
You can scheme to make up for his run deficiencies. Fact of the matter is he generated more turnovers for us than any other Giant and more than just about every other defensive player in the league. Regardless of your stance on his contract, don’t pretend like every QB in the league isn’t thinking 11.5 sacks… 10 FF, I better chuck the rock. That’s a game changing player.
It also means on 10 sacks more or less he didn't hit the QB
That’s not a good thing, are we sure Osi can get another 10 strip sacks?
With our LBs?
You expect them to run stuff? Other than Goff, none are too good at it from what I saw last year. I would say that qualifies as a glaring problem.
Kiwi's a better run stuffer then Goff
if Boley’s the only “liability” there, they’re fine.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
they don't have to do anything
he’s under contract…
make his ass play or he will lose this own leverage if he gets benched this year, and next year too :)
I’m down with J.P.P yeah you know me!
That's just Ridiculous!
Why all the restructuring yesterday?
We have some cap space now…is it for Osi? Was it for Smith? Was it for another FA pickup int he works we don’t know about? Maybe now it’ll be for Cotchery… :)
Good one
Actually, he made the gutsy call. Signing the popular vet to a short term deal just to avoid the backlash is the easy thing to do. I’m sure he had his chance to match and he knew it was the Eagles. Very gutsy.
Go Giants!
Yep
I’ll get accused of being an optimist for saying so, but this is the type of call that teams who win a lot tend to make. Can anyone name another situation where there was a free agent / known injury situation where the team who passed on giving a relatively small contract wound up looking bad because the injured player went and had a monster year? I can’t think of one.
The Eagles, on the other hand, are about the best example I can think of… they are the prototype for preseason expectations, splash, and hype. That also rarely, if ever, works out. We’ll see and I’m sure they’ll be good, but with all these signings and happiness come expectations and pressure.
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 10, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!
It’s been something!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 10, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They better sign Cotchery
Can’t rely on Hixon to be your third WR for 16 games
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Don't need him
We still have a good stable of WR’s let the young’ns play
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 10, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No we don't
We have Clayton, Hixon who’s a special teamer, Jernigan who’s a rookie who has had no time to learn anything, and Cruz, a guy who had one good preseason game.
Signing Cotchery would only help.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I’m still pretty high on Thomas
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 10, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you dont like anyone we have.
you are forgetting clayton, hixon, jerrigan, cruz, Barden, clayton and god forbid SS12 were all fighting for the same roster spot. #3 WR. yes we lost the front runner for week 8 #3 WR… we should go out and get a body from another team… yea because the eagles are doing stuff… and we should right???
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
Clayton hasn’t been good in years. Hixon is a special teamer. Jerrigan a rookie. Cruz a preseason wonder from last year. Barden can’t stay healthy. Thomas sucked with the skins.
Where is that depth?
Barden only been hurt once
Jerrigan counts. see Nicks n SS12 rookie seasons.
clayton sucks
Thomas ?
Im thinking we sign someone like J Co. if not I still like our chances.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
I only bring up Jerrigan because I don’t expect a lot from rookies this season. The lack of off season is going to hurt these guys, and rookie WRs rarely have impact seasons.
Barden is a project at best, and being hurt right now just sets him back more and more.
this has been proven false over the past few yrs
rookie WRs rarely have impact seasons.
P Harvin, Nicks, Maclin, Britt , Mike Wallace.Dez Bryant,Jordan Shipley, Mike Williams to name but a few.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
How about a guy like Julian Edelman
Filled in for a guy that was probably the best slot WR for about 3 years in Welker.
exactly
i remember when this was the case before.
“it’s like deja vu all over again”
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
panic among the fan base?
I doubt that. Anger? thats an understatement
"The Jets signed LT!" "No, LT is retired."
lol
Smith can do what he wants… but how he turned to the green side is what people will never forgive. lmao
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
He did turn to the GREEN side
1 year, 4 mil, 2 mil guranteed. I aint mad at the green.
Quinn must go !!
signing smith
Says something about Maclain. My buddy is a huge Eagle fan he was at their practice the other day and he said there is something very wrong with Maclain. He said he didn’t look well.
by puppydogs on Aug 10, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
same here
just talked an eagle fan buddy, rumor is he has mono
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
mono
can be very serious if you get it at an age older than about 18. my friend just got it last year when he was 21 and was in bed for several months. he took almost 8 months to fully recover
hate to see
any promising young player like Maclin suffer like this. Hope for the best, health wise
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith isn't playing anytime soon
so I doubt that he’s a replacement for Maclin. Unless of course the Eagles are dumber then being let on.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Maclin has had mono a few times.
I think he’ll be fine, infact I’ve read and heard he looks really goo.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I dont feel like the Giants are focusing on winning big time this year
by DJ HeavyDuty on Aug 10, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't feel like they're focusing on losing either
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The Giants have absolutely no options
There is a salary cap. It is what it is.
They put themselves in this situation. It is what it is.
Go to the market and try to buy a roll of toilet paper for a nickel.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
Why The Eagles
I mean i thought he would atleast go to the rams. But i love Steve and we gotta let him go. We still have Hixon Cruz and Jernigan to fill some void. But there will never be another Steve Smith!
Yes there will, bro
It ain’t that serious. He aint even on the talent level of Hakeem anyway. Steve was nothing more than a great possession slot WR really.
And why re-sign a dude to a multi-year deal under the circumstances? Reese plays hardball & can be stingy, but he rather play it safe. He has a method that I think we can all respect & appreciate.
But yea, I wish Smith would’ve done like Boss & gone across the country or something instead of this cardinal sin he committed. He’s dead to me!
rebuilding/reloading year
Ok, people won’t like this.
As Ed points out, the Giants, it can be argued, made a rational, cold decision about SS12’s worth and the risk inherent in signing him to a one year deal before calculating what offer to make him.
However, he is still a young, proven commodity, and they acted in such a way to allow him to be stolen away. I also expect that SS12 gave them an explicit opportunity to match his other best offer, though we may never have that disclosed. He would likely have prferred to remain a Giant. Even if the Giants did not know who made the offer (whether or not it mattered to them), they likely passed on the opportunity to match the offer.
I’m guessing the Giants are not surprised he left, but may be a little surprised about where he’s gone. This may also suggest Maclin is in a light more health trouble than has been disclosed so far.
But even with all that, it suggests to me the Giants are thinking more about long term sustainability than they are taking on high risk to win at all costs this year, the way the Eagles are. And that says to me they are willing to accept that 2012 could be a rebuilding/reloading year, with new players getting the opportunity to establish themselves, believing that Eli has several good years left.
The Giants expect to win and want to make the playoffs this year, but they are not going all in for 2011 for da Superblow. And that means that Coughlin is not in a make or break audition year, and that they may in fact consider an orderly transition if they feel that rebuilding/reloading also involves a changing of the leadership guard.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I feel the same way
If you look at a lot of the Eagles FA siginings, most of them they can get out of after 1 year so they are going balls out, and quite honestly, I don’t think they will get any further than last year.
dude you gotta change your tag name
I’m sure it’s just your initials, but here, I always see it as Bleeding Green Nation and incorrectly assume you’re one of the enemy.
Like.
A reasonable assessment. Just don’t use the word rebuild here, it throws people into a tither. I get the jist.
that's why I said "reload"
The Giants don’t wait to hit the bottom to rethink what they are doing.
They try to sustain a levcel of high competitive ability because you never know when you may get on a hot streak and catch lightning in a bottle with a team (2007).
That’s a strategic choice. It may be the best one. But at times like this, it carries high risk of fan backlash, and risk of short term failure.
But as long as the team can draft well for relatively low cost, high upside talent, it’s a reasonable approach. That’s especially true under the new CBA where rookies will cost less, and mid level veterans are already getting squeezed. That is, unless they get overpaid by teams trying to move up to the new cap minimum.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
OK
Not arguing with you man. I just got jumped on earlier for using that term. Thought it would get a laugh.
I don't know how anyone can say that a WR who apparently is not going to be himself this season
is a reason why the Giants aren’t trying to win this year. Would a healthy SS12 help us win? Absolutely. Would the current version of SS12 help? I have no idea.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure.
Not sure if that was really the main point.
he's saying they're not going all in for the SB
I’m not sure that Steve Smith not being here, considering his health, is a marker to determine that
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see what your saying.
But i think he really is just emphasizing that signing risky contracts and possibly over paying a player is not in the best interests of the club, and Reese is definitely avoiding that right now based on his moves. His eye seems more on the future than loading up this year. All the other conjecture is too soon to say. I don’t think that means they are not trying to win, nor is it a pessimistic view. I for one, am looking forward to seeing the younger guys play this year. I think there is alot of talent that can fill the holes.
After some thought, I'm still upset, but this is not the end of the Giants world
I am confident SS12’s loyalty was to the Giants. I think we probably got a chance to match whatever offer he had on the table and passed. By him stating that the Eagles have been in play and they were waiting on the Giants, he is not healthy at all. I think he took the money and I can’t blame him.
I figured the Giants would offer him a 2 year deal much like Kiwi got. Lower salary this year, prove your healthy, and get a big raise in year 2 and probably with the idea of ditching year 2 for a long term deal.
I don’t think one person here would have thought he would start week 1. I’d have been shocked if he didn’t start the year on PUP…but then again I’d have been shocked if you told me in February that SS12 would be an Eagle this year.
As a fan of his, I can only hope that he goes to Philly, plays out the last half of the season there and then we scoop him up next year if he’s healthy.
Smith's impact on the field doesn't worry me.
What really fking scares me about this is the chemistry of this team. Barry Cofield…gone. Steve Smith…gone. Kevin Boss…gone. Brandon Jacobs…paycut. Bradshaw…not happy with his pay.
These are (were) popular members of the team. I hope this doesn’t effect the other players and how they’ll react when THEY become FA.
Justin Tuck said “He’s learned a lot from Osi’s situation.” What happens when he, Nicks, Manningham, TT, Cweb….become free agents? Do they become mercenaries for the highest bidder, because right now, I don’t get the feeling that many of our players love our club very much.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Based on what
links?
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw had better not be angry at the Giants
since they apparently gave him the best offer. He had plenty of time to find someone to pay him more, and it wasn’t happening. Unfortunate for him he doesn’t play for joke franchises liek the Panthers, but if he held it against the Giants he’d be a petty man.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he shouldn't
but he did say that he wasn’t happy with what he got.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well of course he wouldn't be happy
if DWilliams “deserves” that much money, Bradshaw has a case. But it’s different teams, and again, if nobody else is willing to give him more, being pissed against the Giants for not bidding against themselves makes no sense.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
you're right of course
my point being, it still will be viewed as a negative by some of the players on the team.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There are nippleheads
like that in every walk of life. If they are a problem because of some illogical feelings, get rid of them, they are hurting the team.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw
If Bradshaw was angry with the Giants he would not have put his name on the contract. He would have waited for a better offer … which he didn’t get from anywhere else. The Giants made him the best offer out there.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's probably true
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's too logical to not be true
AB never struck me as a dunce
Hopefully
Tuck learned to not sign a front loaded contract. Notice how he’s never said Osi deserves to get renegotiated a year early.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I give Jacobs kudos for redoing his deal so we could get Bradshaw back...
While he’s been known to whine from time to time…that was a class move in the best interest of the team. I wish Eli would have stepped up to the plate and said “rework my deal and get my TE and 3rd down security blanket back.”
by Manningologist on Aug 10, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing the point
ignore the fact that his security blanket would still be missing almost half the season. Even if the Giants were 30 mil under the cap, Boss isn;t worth 4 mil a year. That’s overpaying for his contributions.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
gotta agree..
Infact I am a little surprised that Justin Tuck is not demanding a raise, when Charles Johnson (who I had not even heard of) is playing for much more..
This is something that should have been fixed at the negotiating table while hammering out the new CBA.
I think the owners didn't want to fix it
The ability for players to hold out is something the players get in exchange for not having guaranteed deals. I think players would happily agree to very strict anti-holdout provisions in exchange for fully guaranteed contracts.
There are very strict no holdout provisions
Why do you think their aren’t any holdouts
They don't love our club
No player loves any club
Ronnie Lott didn’t play for the Niners his whole career. They get it, I get it, and I know you get it. I loved SS, but thats the game. We can’t define our fandom by the players because that part of the game is and will be totally mercenary.
Anyone think Peyton is a Colt if they say, but Peyton we just can’t do better than 16M it’s just a lousy 2M. We both know he was well aware what the right number was and they paid it.
Yep
those days are long over with, it’s Rod Tidwell, and “show me the money Jerry”. (Not JR)
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 11, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats next Osi to the Jets or Eagles
This just sucks . . . I mean the freaking Eagles, come on man how do they let this happen.
I’m sure Smitty will be making a big impact for them late this season while Nicks and Manningham are dropping balls and running bad routes.
The Eagles have tottally outclassed us as an organization since we won the SB and thats just a sad fact. We geared up in 04 with TC and Eli and signed guys like Plax, Ohara, McKenzie, and Pierce to take down the Eagles and win a SB and now Philly is returning the favor
I’m sure Smitty will be making a big impact for them late this season while Nicks and Manningham are dropping balls and running bad routes.
I’ll take that bet. What odds are you laying?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
2-1 odds I guess . . . we’ll it’s a lock Nicks and Manningham will be dropping balls and running bad routes the real question is how productive Smith will be for the Eagles late in the season.
I’ll guarantee you this if Smith only has one productive game this year for Philly it will be when Philly comes to the Meadowlands late in the season
Look man I’m sure Philly did there due dillegance whe evaluating Smiths injury just as the Giants did and to be honest the Giants training staff has been very underwhelming over the last few years.
So in other words
The franchise that has undoubtedly been more successful in every aspect of this sport (the Giants) should be taking cues from a franchise that has proven their inferiority decade after decade (the Eagles)?
I’m not buyin’ it…
Lets have a little faith in Jerry Reese, and see what happens.
It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 11, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I want in on that one 2
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 10, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd almost guarantee that if we don't resign or trade Osi he will be an Eagle or Jet in 2 years.
by Manningologist on Aug 10, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And in 2 years I won’t care
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
In two years
they can have him. Over 30 with massive history of injuries? No thank you.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It sucks .. but Steve Smith did the right thing
Steve Smith was not overrated as some people have claimed, if anything he was underrated. He “outplayed” his rookie contract, but there was never a murmur of discontent on his part. He should have been a Giant for life. To all those Giants fans pissed at him for going to the eagles, what would you do?
As a sportsman with a shelf life of about 10-12 years in avery violent injury prone sport, you have to take the money on offer. All our manufactured hate for the eagles, counts for little in the real world.
Steve Smith cannot buy a bananana with the love you send his way.. So get real.
Who says he didn't?
I don’t think the Giants were really going to get to this salary level anyways.
As pointed out, they have bigger things to worry about, like caving to Osi, than paying $4M for a WR.
That's what
Mike Garafolo reported:
A person familiar with the negotiations said the Giants were not given the chance to match the offer.
Link
Ditto!
They should have signed him for life. He’s one of my favorite Giants. He said on his facebook page that the Giants didn’t him and I think he’s right. Why would they wait for another team make an offer and try to match?
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait
Until next year, when the eagles can’t get jackson back and we steal him away.
Ironic that we practice in the Timex Center and our GM seemingly lost his watch and didn't know when free agency started?
by Manningologist on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
?
That doesn’t even make sense. This didn’t happen at the start of FA, that was a week ago.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 10, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok this pissed me off.
“Great players all want the ball, all want the stats,” Smith said. “But when you have the opportunity to win the Super Bowl, that means more. Guys are going to have to put their egos to the side, and if we do that, we’ll go far.”
So when its with the Giants, its “Great players (like me) want money…but I don’t think I can win another Superbowl with the Giants, and his ego is much to great to put aside in this case.”
Sorry, Ed and Brian for the language, but Steve Smith, fuck you.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed 100%
i don’t understand how those words will restore order to the giants fanbase. he clearly doesn’t care. so basically, as you said…
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
see, I'm saying that Boss leaving and now SS?? can only mean...
that the players aren’t confident in their chances to make a run this year. Like rats jumping off of a sinking ship.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
no it's called getting a fat paycheck
they’re not jumping off a sinking ship, but the Giants were not going to hand a guy with a bum knee $2M and an average TE $4M per year.
this... its all about the $$ first with these 2 guys, b/c remember they got a SuperBlow ring already
I'm down with J.P.P.
Yeah you know me...
Nope
It simply means Oakland offered Boss more $$ than the Giants did, and the Eagles offered Smith more money than the Giants did. It’s ALWAYS about the money. Period. This sinking ship nonsense is for panicked fans.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 10, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's always about the Money
If the Giants gave him a huge deal he’d been singing the same tune about winning a championship with them.
Eagels gave him more guarnteed money and the opportunity to be signed long term the Giants did not.
He did what anyone would do.
It just boggels my mind that the Eagles were the only team willing to offer him a one year deal, I mean there are a handful of teams that could of used him and had good Cap space. Bucs, Rams to name a few.
lip service man
He’s an eagle now. They sign his paychecks. He’s gotta talk up the organization and their super bowl aspirations. But it all boils down to the $$$
And now...
We don’t have a shout at the superblow.
lol +1
hey it happens… we have never won the preseason superblow
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
nice!
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
PR hit?
i’m not too sure that it’s a PR hit. it is annoying though and tough to see. in 07 the Giants had a lot of negative criticism in the beginning of the year (Coughlin under fire, 80 points in first 2 games) and came back and bonded.
a small note: 1986-1990 = 4 years in between. 2007-2011 = also 4 years in between… just sayin’
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
If the FO felt this was the best thing to do
that’s their prerogative, but I’m not sure why they can’t be bothered to talk to the media about it tonight.
Right...I keep checking the Giants website to see an announcement but they are silent.
Of course they are gonna say they weren’t will to pay someone whose knee was suspect.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
This one hurts more
Lions Sign Ex-Giant Michael Johnson.. right, hurts more?
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
Oh shit!!
I’m going to overdose on razorblades right now.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
seriously
3 guys gone from the 07 draft class in one week, wow
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
that is troubling...
it’s like the second they could leave NY they did
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
not saying its a bad sign of what they think
of the front office and team’s state but… it makes me wonder
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
right...it makes you think
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
and you know that Bradshaw would have left if there was a market for RBs
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
it was close
no doubt about it
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They already tried
CC Brown, why not Mike Johnson, LOL!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 11, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish Smith no well wishes.
I hope only bad things happen to the guy from here on out. Seriously. Dude has lost every good grace he could have ever built up with this stunt.
Complete and utter dick move with not giving the team a chance to match. Someone needs to go low on him the minute he’s back on the field against us.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
while I'm upset
I can’t call for injuries.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
I wouldn't care if he had given the Giants a chance to match.
Without that, though? He can go to hell. Hopefully someone takes him out. I won’t shed a tear when they bring out the cart for him.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
and apparently the Giants tried to "go low"
and it didn’t work out well
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
by nywins42 on Aug 10, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was pretty funny.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
I have always resisted
judging most of Reese’s decisions; this however, makes me wonder. Someone earlier said that they thought it was as if the leadership might not want to win this year. I’m starting to wonder, myself.
It’s not so much SS leaving, or going to the Eagles for that matter.
This decision, amidst the sea of others, makes me really wonder about our front office.
Maybe they know a whole lot more about these situations than us; if this season plays out in a mediocre fashion, though, there will be a sea of questions to go with that sea of decisions. Won’t be a good thing come post-season time.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
I was thinking the same thing
they’re is something we don’t know going on behind the scenes
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Not to be a dick but...
why don’t you wait to see how it pans out before you judge. I’m not saying I’m psyched about losing lots of lovable veterans, but what if the FO is right, haven’t the Giants been good enough over the last couple decades to at least give them the benefit of the doubt? If we start the season 2-6, fire when ready, but let’s see how it shakes out.
I agree with you
I’m with the front office on this one. I’m against overpaying anyone. I know he’s injured. I know he’s like 4th on their depth chart. At the same time though, he was a fan favorite.
EVERYBODY loved SS12, maybe not for what he did, but because he was goddamn Steve Smith. Regardless of how much it affects us on the field, it doesn’t change the fact that we’re pissed…even more so that he defected to the worst team possible.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing against SS12
I’m just against this rebuilding/retooling talk. Look at the two recent “dynasties” the Pats and Steelers… won multiple championships while turning over a significant portion of the roster, including losing some fan favorites and “lynchpins” to FA or retirement. Football is a different beast than any other pro sport. The ultimate team game. Many of us learned football from our dads (or moms) and in that era, players stayed with teams for their whole careers. That does not exist anymore. Will I miss Smith, O’Hara, Seubert, and the Taze dance? Hell, yeah, but that doesn’t mean I can fry the FO for making those decisions. Business side of the game sucks. Such is life.
I completely agree
there is no such thing as a rebuilding year for a good organization…and we are a great one.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Big differance with NE and Pitt
THey replaced there guys with top cheap talent and they rarley lost guys that were in the prime of their carreers. NE would ocacionally trade a guy near the end of his prime and get some picks for him. The GIants just lose good players and overpay for average FAs.
NE replaced Lawyer Miloy with Rodney Harrison
Pitt repalced Joey Porter with James Harrison. they repalced Plax with Randel El and repalced him with Holmes and replaced him with Wallace.
Giants don’t do FA well at all and don’t draft quit as well as Pitt.
If the Giants had something up there sleave I’d feel better but I’m sure they don’t
Your hindsight is handy...
Not to get all rosey-spectacled, but who’s to say Linval/Marvin can’t replace Barry, Cruz./Barden/etc can’t replace Smith, and so on. James Harrison wasn’t even drafted! And to say ARE replace Plax is a joke. My only point is let’s see what happens before we rush to judgement.
I think JRs drafts have been a bit better than EA
So let’s see in 5 or 6 years then we’ll see the talent turnover like Pitt
Let’s also remember that one more Super Bowl and the Giants are comparable to what those guys have done
OK. I never judged anything. I said it made me wonder.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
I think they looked at the schedule
and said now is the time, we can win these first hand full of games with the young talent… lets do it.
Where are all the nicknames Henry "Rhynoski" Hynoski, JPP "The Beast", Linval "The Anvil" Joseph, Hakeem "The Dream" Nicks, "Super" Mario Manningham, Ramses "The Pharoah" Barden, "Unstoppable" Eli Manning ... you know, nicknames...
i dont like #12 going to philly 1 bit but i believe the giants know what they r doing.
i know looking at young guys that never played its hard to believe in them but the giants got
some very good players in camp we got a very good team.in “07” we would not have got that ring if not for YOUNG ROOKIES that steped up.relax i dont want to see people hopping back on the GMEN bandwagon later. oh and ss#12 please go up the middle on us we aint the eagles we can hit,u gonna get ROCKED!!!!!!!!
by big blue born in philly on Aug 10, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
Jerricho Cotchery
is supposedly gaining interest from the Giants. more proven receiver than almost anyone vying for the 3rd spot. a good guy and similar to SS12
He's a must at this point
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
So long "the other" Steve Smith
Good to see him go, “the other” Steve smith was a recipient of Eli having no one else to throw to, will never go to another pro-bowl. As a 25 yr giant fan, it seems the current regime (players and coaches), have trouble living up to high expectations however when they are underdogs and the NY media storm is on high and peoples jobs are really on the line, that is when me make history!! To all my disgruntled brothers in blue: let’s not expect much ad be pleasantly surprised in the end. Last time I checked they only play with 1 football down in Philly, lot of egos in that locker room.
by FollOWtheCHAMP on Aug 10, 2011 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
Pat Hanlon is a beast...I love this guy
Re-build my ass! I got your re-build. RT @bbhkf78: All teams need to rebuild at one point, I’m not going to panic until the season begins
A lot noisemakers end up in the ditch. RT @AGruber73: because the giants are making barely any noise while the eagles are “the dream team”
Typically, we try to make our noise in Jan-Feb. RT @AGruber73: the giants are making barely any noise while the eagles are “the dream team”
Can you say we’re worse, knucklehead? RT @StevenMurray10: can you say definitively the Giants are better than last year?
Thanks Lombardi. Cause I know you know. RT @Teneford: @giantspathanlon Giants off-season can be summed up w/ one word: Debacle.
You like winning? Sit tight. RT @gmen8069: your job is to be a company man but how can Giants fans be excited when they did nothing
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
VP of "Miss’ communication at it again
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I got your re-build
my favorite
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That guys an ass
He reminds me of one of the corporate executive smucks that drinks the Kool-Aide no matter how grim things look. . .
Ummm...He's the PR guy
that’s kinda his job
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
This is silly
Let’s play some football. If anything, I’m more excited for Saturday night to see what the 2nd tier has in store for us.
Now where do I get one of those superblows everyone keeps talking about?
if we only signed
Brad Smith and gave him number 12, I could still wear my jersey. Damn
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Hey! That's a good way to look at things
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
ELi is a pig....
Eli’s refusal to redo his riculous contract is going to cost the Giants the season… Team guy… yeah right it’s all about him and is $$$$$
by Gerald Nicholas on Aug 10, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
only Eli
can get blamed for deals the front office does. I blame Eli for the economy and everyone not caught on the FBIs most wanted list
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 10, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I got stung by a bee last week
Stupid Eli, making the bees do stuff…
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln
who said he didn't redo his contract already?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 10, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And you know that because you are in the front office?
You have no idea what’s going on. So maybe you might want to find another team whose quaterback you actually like.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
lol hanlon on a rolll
This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren’t worth a shit.
Put your shit-kickers on for November RT @MortChristenson: @giantspathanlon I like being able to stretch my legs out on the bandwagon.
Looks like Benedict Smith crapped in his cereal.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Everybody Hold On!
I had a couple of drinks to calm myself down after I heard of the Smith deal…maybe JR and the crew knew something was really going on with his knee and knew that offering the money would be a bad business deal. It sucks because he meant a lot to the chemistry of the team…especially between he and Eli!
Giants will still be contenders…everybody just chill. half of us don’t even truly understand the cap situation or what it is to run a successfull organization!
Remember this: GIANTS = 3 time Superbowl Champions (FACT) Philly = 0 Superbowl Champions
KEEP THE FAITH!
by oldschoolblue64 on Aug 10, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
Jerricoh Cotrey
Jets cut him, he’d be solid #3 in the slot if healthy . .. might be a good short term move and we let Barden and our 3rd rounder develop
the best one yet
We don’t play on paper. You know what you can do w/ that paper? RT @BarstoolScott: on paper they ARE worse. no matter who signs your checks
I thought it could be a good move before losing SMith
Cotchery is a good WR. He does not seem to have great interest, should not be too expensive. Reliable. Maybe our WRs will develop, but it’s always good to have a security blanket.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
One year deal
for Crotchery would work, was making 4 mill. I believe, half of that should work.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Aug 11, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I am in the camp "It looks worse than it is"
Smith could possibly not play this year. But he is a favorite of Manning, and he is a big part of the offense. Even if we resign Manningham, we need to make sure we have another good WR for the future. I had already been thinking about using our #1 next year on one.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Revenge
We’ll just have to be the team to give DeSean Jackson his money
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
He is a classic Reese target
Right age, right production, remember they were serious Haynesworth suitors
Don't blame you guys one bit.
If DeSean ever went to the Cowboys, Redskins, or Giants you would see a lot of angry birds fans. BGN might explode.
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
i can only imagine...
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 10, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
STOP IT
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You'll know if you're front office really has it down if they can extend him before free agency
They have time, but if he decides he can’t play and negotiate they better hustle.
They'll try
but if he doesn’t have a contract before this season ends, I just have a bad feeling about the situation. Just rather get this stuff done now.
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 11, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Good reason to panic.
I guess Giants didn’t want him. If they really did, they would have resigned him instead of playing the waiting game. How soon people the big plays this made during the superbowl run especially against the Packers. This one really hurts
How can you not panic when you have unproven talent in the WR position besides Manningham and Nicks? Who is say that Nicks and manningham will have the kind of year they had again? You gave all the money to an average Eli and he refuses to redo his contract. If this team doesn’t make the playoffs, they should clean house.
"refuses to redo his contract"
where’d you read this?
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He heard in the front office meetings he attends
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
It only hurts because he was a fan favorite
Manningham Nicks and Hixon would be a damn good trio. Before Nicks came along, Hixon was our #1 but people always love to forget that.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 11, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeap
not a great number 1 but has been here a while to know the system pretty well
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
not great
but a #1 WR in the NFL is still pretty good.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 11, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
As a #3, yeah he is
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 11, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
+87
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The "Eli needs to redo his contract" crap is getting old
Did they ask Eli to restructure…no? So, he isn’t “refusing” anything. Comparing him to his brother, who took less money,. makes no sense because Peyton’s contract was up and he took less. He didn’t walk in and say…“hey I have 4 years left on my contract but I want to give it back” He said…I’ll accept less to get some people.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Peyton
took 18 mil a year instead of 20 (no mention of incentive bonuses). Let’s all glorify him for his great sacrifice.
So, what are you arguing?
Eli should redo his contract how? If it were up to you?
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Not at all
I’m in your corner. Those berating Eli for not throwing money back at the front office is ridiculous.
Sorry...I thought I was replaying to someone eles
we’re on the same page
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Giving up something that was only theoretical
Something that wasn’t actually signed or agreed to
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
replay fail...
I wasn’t glorifying Peyton but the “Eli should restructure” thing is getting worn out.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
His brother' "less" money is still more than Eli
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
How long have you been watching football?
I only go back to the early 80s (that I can remember football) as a fan, but until the last 5 years, no one ever had more than 2 WRs that were worth shit. We have a run-based offense. This comes in handy when you’re in Jersey, or Philly, or DC in December, which we frequently are. Putting this on Eli is stupid, ignorant, or both.
Have you watched football recently?
obviously not….this isn’t the 80’s. Name a superbowl contender with two shitty WRs.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he said
but until the last 5 years
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
In the last decade?
Pittsburg X 2. The Saints have 1 good and 2 serviceable WRs. The Pats never had more than 2 decent WRs, if that. The Ravens that beat our Giants 10 years ago had no offense whatsoever. The Seahawks team that made the SB had garbage for WR, as did the Eagles team that made it… do I need to continue?
They had TO
in his prime. That is not garbage.
While we're at it
Name me one SB team that had 2 WRs the quality of DJ/Maclin/Smith, or for that matter, name me one that had a better crew than Hicks/Ham/whoever gets #3…
Colts, Rams
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Toomer, Plax, Smith nuff said.
Also Fitz, Boldin, Breaston cause you said SB team not nec. winner.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 11, 2011 6:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about this...If Eli needs to restructure than you, as a fan,
should offer to pay double the ticket price to retain players.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
weak argument?
your bashing Eli for not redoing his contract… mea while we have no idea that the team asked him to or if he has offered or refused
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
medium strength conversation
slightly more than enough said
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Yes!
Peyton offered to redo his contract without the Colts even asking. I blame the front office for letting go a solid player with good character like Smith.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No he couldn't have
He didn’t have a contract to re do
He took less money than they offered to sign him for so the team could sign other free agents. Is that that much different?
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is
One claims a give back the other is normal negotiating
how will increased ticket prices create cap room?
Fire Gilbride
Please, Knicks
http://90spreservationsociety.com
See you in a year SS12
Do me a favor. Share our offense as they expect you too but don’t share all of it!
This gives Gilbride a reason to actual ADJUST in the Eagles games
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
I know he played primarily as slot...
But did he ever line up on the outside? And if so how’d he do?
The signing might suggest that Maclin might not be ready and Avant isn’t great on the outside.
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
He played a pretty good amount on the outside
and was fairly decent at it. Nothing too special, but every once in awhile, he’d rein in those deep balls
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 11, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds great.
Vick always could use some reliable hands down the field.
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 11, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It's his health
We’ve had 3 guys I can think of off micro surgery
Robbins, Cofield, Phillips, none did much year 1 after surgery.
Sehorn too
back in the day. Was never the same. Seems to take at least a full year and even then they usually aren’t the same.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
His skill is not beating coverage one-on-one
It is finding or making gaps in the safety and MLB coverage. Burress, Toomer, Nicks are/were not slot players, so Smith was more by default.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
he's a zone breaker
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Smith isn't ready either to start the season
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The Iggles will have to pay for this spending spree somewhere down the line. They still haven’t paid Desean Jackson and a year from now it’ll be Jeremy Maclin , Lesean McCoy , etc who want their money. That’s not even mentioning the mega deal Vick is going to get. I don’t believe you can buy a title in the NFL , Lord knows the Deadskins and Cowgirls have tried.
I’m not going to throw in the towel on this season before a single preseason game has been played.
Losing Steve Smith hurts emotionally. It makes me sick to my stomach and I’ll avoid sports radio for the forseeable future but he’s coming off microfracture surgery and won’t be healthy anytime soon. He may prove to be a great #3 WR for the Iggles but he’s not going to be the same guy who caught a 100 balls for us and made a Pro Bowl. He’s probably not going to be healthy enough to play until the seasons well underway and at that point he won’t have the benefit of a training camp or reps in a new offense.
by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 11, 2011 12:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My guess on their payback
Some of their young guys will think this means Eagles are free spenders, it will make the negotiations for them much harder. One or more will walk.
And if they actually win a Super Bowl every one of their free agents will become unsignable (think Kawika Mitchell and Gibril Wilson) but they have a fair number of one year deals, could be a mass exodus.
But who cares? I still think Giants could maneuver and sign guys, something more is afoot than simply JR suddenly becoming slow and stupid. He’s smart, and he sticks to his guns, how many times have we thought oh no he isn’t solving the big problem only to see he knew better (problem is some hold him to STD of more than winning, but winning big)
do they have any depth anywhere?
a serious question. They’ve spent so much on a few guys that it seems to me there can’t be enough money to field any decent backups.
You down wit JPP?
The eagles?
Outside of LB they seem to have quality, youth depth.
Yes we have depth.
Mike Vick is backed up by Vince Young. Say what you will about Young, he’s a similar QB with similar ability.
McCoy is backed up by Ronnie Brown, that’s some solid depth.
Desean and Maclin are followed up by Avant and SS12.. Cooper’s probably the 5th guy. Avant’s shown he can produce big on the outside and Smith is Smith.
OL has some good depth with McGlynn and Evan Mathis at OG and Harris/Justice as the backup OT.
As far as the DL goes. If Patterson’s healthy we have 4 DT’s who are starting quality. Laws, Dixon, Jenkins and Patterson are all pretty good players.
At DE we have Cole and Babin backed up by Parker, Tapp, Te’o and most likely Hunt… Once Graham comes back we’ll see how well he is.
LB is a toss up. Our starters are Chaney (SAM), Matthews (MIKE), Fokou (WILL), Fokou’s had a lot of playing time, Chaney looked amazing late last season and Matthews looks the part.. Our Depth is Akeem Jordan, Jeanty, Clayton and Rolle.
Safety we have Nate, Jarrett and Coleman. Jarretts most likely the backup with Page or Anderson there.
At CB we got Nnamdi, Asante, DRC, Hanson, Lindley and Marsh. that’s some solid depth.
As an Eagles fan I take a look at our roster and aside from the LB’s and maybe the Safety’s I see a team with a lot of quality depth.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
The Iggles will have to pay for this spending spree somewhere down the line. They still haven’t paid Desean Jackson and a year from now it’ll be Jeremy Maclin , Lesean McCoy , etc who want their money. That’s not even mentioning the mega deal Vick is going to get. I don’t believe you can buy a title in the NFL , Lord knows the Deadskins and Cowgirls have tried.
See, I don’t think so. Jenkin’s deal has a team option to make it a 1 year 4mill contract after the season, Babin’s is similar and even if we keep him he got very little guaranteed money, Ronnie Brown is only a 1 year 1 mill contract, Smith’s a 1 year 2 mill contract, and everybody else aside from Nnamdi are 1 year contracts for little guaranteed money… Also I don’t see Vick getting a mega-deal, the Eagles are smart they know he’s had 1 good season they’ll probably give him 8-12 mill a year guaranteed with a lot of incentives…. I don’t think the Eagles are trying to buy a championship, they’re filling a lot of holes rather than doing what the Cowboys and LOLskins have done in the past.
I’m not going to throw in the towel on this season before a single preseason game has been played.
As a rival fan, I can respect that.
He may prove to be a great #3 WR for the Iggles but he’s not going to be the same guy who caught a 100 balls for us and made a Pro Bowl.
He won’t have 100 catches and he won’t make the pro-bowl, but he’s young and his microfracture surgery is a red-flag, however there have been a few guys who have recovered from microfracture surgery and ended up being pretty successful… Not saying this is the case with Smith, but as our 4th WR if he comes in the 2nd half of the season and catches 20-30 balls I’ll count that as a success.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
yea, cuz keeping Jenkins on a 1yr 4mil contract means he actually panned out
Babin ditto, if he doesn’t get the money that’s not exactly a good thing for him reaching his potential
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No what I'm saying is the Eagles didn't go blow as much money as everybody thinks.
If Jenkins doesn’t pan out we get out of the Deal with only paying him 4 mill…
Babin makes little guaranteed money so that’s not to rough on us if he doesn’t.
The Eagles protected themselves.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Any chance Smith was a RFA and we tendered him?
He was a 4-year player. I thought that was the RFA time frame we went back to in the new contract. We tendered him before the new CBA.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
4 years to free agency
Smith has 4 years in, it’s the injury plain and simple
A Giant fumble
just like Desean Jackson broke our hearts last season. We’ll miss you Steve “sure hands”
Smith.
Under-appreciated
I’m sorry guys, but I have to post this. People keep talking about all of the other talent we have at Wide Receiver and dismissing Steve Smith as un-needed/un-wanted or worse but lets take off the rose tinted glasses. Let’s actually look at the wide receiver talent we have:
Hakeem Nicks: Great Talent, nothing bad to say about this.
Mario Manningham: Also very good talent but someone who I have no illusions we will keep one he becomes a free agent. Reese has shown that he has no interest in keeping players once their contracts come up, especially if he has to give any amount of money.
The rest? Good potential but let’s be honest. Most are castoffs and guys no one else wanted for one reason or another. Don’t pretend 3rd round or later guys who have no experience are better than guys who have proven to be pro-bowl caliber receivers. Hixon was a castoff, Cruz was undrafted, Barden is a 3rd rounder who hasn’t done anything in his years here, Devin Thomas is a castoff, Jernigan is a 3rd round rookie, Calhoun was undrafted, Reynaud is a returner who can also play WR. Saying we have no use for Steve Smith is just ridiculous. I think JR tried to play chicken again like he did with Bradshaw and Steve Smith finally lost patience.
Agreed!
Thanks for your football insight.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
your right some are
under-rating SS12 now. I guess alot of us are trying to look at what they have now. Can’t dwell on whats gone. I will miss him.
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He was SS12 clutch WR
Now he is SS12? Seriously injured WR trying for a comeback
That is still true right?
What we have is better than what he is right now
I think the bottom line is Philly was willing to give $2M guaranteed to an injured player.
The Giants know from experience , Kenny Phillips , that SS12 will not be the same player for at least a year. That is what Reese and the Giants are gambling on.
He wanted out
The talk shows here are saying SS always wanted to come to Philadelphia. He was wearing Phillies hats in the offseason hoping to send a message to the team…blah blah…I grow weary of this prattle. Let’s start the season for crying out loud.
well Plax
wore a phillie’s hat out of prison… how did that work for him? But I agree, lets play some games
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Steve Smith says....
the Giants told him he was he won’t be ready anytime but h was right on track. I guess that ticked him off…can’t blame him.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
but you can blame the Giants staff
for not throwing $4 mil after him when you have no idea when or if he’ll be ready?
Yeah, stupid Drs with their degrees and learnin and all
A football player definitely knows better
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Jerry Reese gets an "F"
for free agent moves or lack there of. He can’t resign his own players much less bring in other players…not to mention the Osi Mess.
Guess we just hand over the Paper Lombardi to the pigeons then.
Why even bother trying to play the games?
Osi mess I'll give you
but everything else was a result of a salary cap. Nothing they could do about it.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
Salary cap
Ok, so everybody wants to say the Giants are in a salary cap mess and that is why they could not sign Boss or Smith. I want to know just who all the Giants money is locked up in. Sure Manning makes a lot, but many of the Giants are young guys. Are we looking at money for players that are gone but still count on the cap? It seems like the Giants should be in a position where they are up against the top of the cap with this roster.
I don't know the exact breakdown
But the Giants had the second highest payroll going into the season, well over the $120 limit. The Eagles were well under the new limit, so naturally they had room to maneuver.
If I had to guess I’d say Eli, Canty, Rolle, Webster probably combined for about 25% of the teams payroll.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
Looking at this offseason
I can honestly say that the only move that bothers me is Boss leaving….but when you look at the package that Oak gave him….you can’t really argue with it.
O’hara, Seubert….heck we predicted them….both going was a bit surprising, but I had at least one getting the ax.
SS….love the guy, but anyone who knows me knows i’m a Barden stan.
Cofield…no way we paid him that money. good player though. will miss him.
Prince’s foot does suck but that’s no one’s fault…sure ain’t JR’s.
Other draft picks and UDFAs……very satisfied.
The Osi situation IMO, is a mess though….don’t know what’s going on here. We brought back Tolly, Kiwi is healthy….make the Trade JR. That is the only head scratcher here.
TeamJPP
thank you
not to mention we signed two UDFA’s that most would have been happy if we drafted (Hyno and Herz)
UDFA
Hyno and Herz haven’t neither made the team nor played a down in the NFL yet. Stop counting your eggs before they hatch.
alright dude you're right
we F’n suck.
Is there any light at the end ofthe tunnel in your world?
You down wit JPP?
Let's hope!
I’m trying to be optimistic but it’s hard to be. Every team in the NFC east has improved except the Giants. It could be a rough season ahead.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
smith bothers me more than Boss
I was completely on board with what they had done up until Smith left.
But honestly we don’t know what kinda player he’s gonna be going forward, and 4.2mil is a steep price for a question mark, so I understand why.
Hopefully they can get Osi on board now, and start kickin ass so we can all forget yesterday
You down wit JPP?
I think would have been able to sign Smith cheaper than the $4mil had they made an offer earlier but they kept playing the waiting game.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Maclin
For a bit of schadenfreude, it might mean Maclin has hunta virus or something and they overpaid because the expect to lose a key threat.
by RNC-SBN on Aug 11, 2011 1:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just find it absurd..
That last week SS was a great player that was going to come back week 6 and help us dominate. He was going to be Eli’s security blanket and help us out so much.
Now that he’s an eagle, he is over-rated and is nothing better than an average 3rd receiver (according to many people on this sight).
Cognitive Dissonance.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yep
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
Last year when we lost SS he was a huge part of our offense and his injury was one of the main reasons we weren’t winning everything.
Now losing him doesn’t hurt us at all because we have 5 unproven players who are going to be better than him.
I fail to see the logic.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
We're trying to pretend it does not hurt as much as it does
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
And thats fine! No one has a problem with that.
But when than pretending becomes blind and blatant homerism and optimism its a dangerous game full of disappointment.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Honestly
The Giants were going to have to start the season without him seeing as he’s still not in playing form right now. They’ve had to plan for that eventuality and that is why they have these number of receivers. Are they a question mark? Yes, but almost everything in a season could be a question mark. In the practices, some of these receivers are looking good and we won’t know what will happen in the regular season. Then again, Steve Smith is coming off injury that isn’t healed by the time that the season starts. Either way, we did have question marks.
What really is the problem is that this hurts us emotionally as ct17 said. This backlash from Giants fans is classless and goes to show that each fanbase has these idiots. Its not just the fact that it was a loss to the hated Eagles, or that he was considered our #2 receiver. its also the fact that he was a vital part of the winning Super Bowl team that was drafted in ‘07. After years of JR and the front office trying to keep that core team together, it’s backfired and they have to replace parts that have those question marks.
I’ll miss seeing Steve Smith in Big Blue, but I’ll remember him for what he’s done for the team. I’ll wish him success, but not all that much, especially when he’s playing against us.
by Well-Rounded Cube on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the reaction was disgusting. I’m sure most Giants fans were upset that he left, as was the vast majority on this site, but that doesn’t mean you have to curse off the guy.
Perhaps he was going to return after this year? Maybe he wanted some guaranteed money considering his injury, and if he proved effective he would want to come back. But after those reactions, I don’t see why he would want to play for those fans.
Agreed with your post 100%
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Two years ago.....
It was ’ who can replace Plax?’ SS12 stepped up and played well. Someone else (Manningham) will do the same this year. Last year it was ‘oh why did Reese waste a pick on JPP?’ while this year it’s ‘F Osi we got JPP.’ Boss was decent but we can’t confuse him with Antonio Gates. And while the Eagles made a splash with Nnamdi, we look like we might get the real Kenny Phillips back this year. This is shaping up to be a season worth watching.
by Vin Joyner on Aug 11, 2011 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I will still be cheering for SS12
that is, when the Eagles play Dallas. As much as Philly is our nemesis, they played some really fun football last year, if you could watch without remembering that you hate them. Watched almost all of their games last year, and for pure football entertainment they were awesome. First time ever that I looked forward to watching the enemy.
I am glad that SS12 gets a chance to play, as I am afraid I will be forced to watch them again this year. Their team looks just like too much entertainment.
One year contract Steve, learn their system and come on back next year. Hopefully we will be able to clear some cap space. No hard feelings, we all have to go to work for a paycheck.
No Boss, no Smith.
WHO will pick up third downs for us? (and take those big hits in the middle of the field)
Hynoski on swing passes out of the backfield? Cruz from the slot?
I know our WR corps is crowded, but I keep thinking that Cotchery is that guy that can take the hit and hold onto the ball.
Microsurgery on the knee is no sure thing, recovery is not guaranteed at all. The year 2011 is a wasted one for SS12. Nice that a deserving guy gets a good paycheck while waiting to see if he can recover. Dare I say, thanks Philly.
SS12 will forever be in the Giants history books. It was his catch as much as the helmet catch that took down the Pats. His was 4th down if my memory holds true.
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 11, 2011 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
"Dare I say, thanks Philly."
Interesting take, let’s see if it holds true.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
Didn't this guy help the Giants win a Superbowl?
Doesn’t he hold the Giants record for most receptions?
Didn’t he help the franchise quarterback take a monumental step into the top tier, and help him become Superbowl MVP?
I’m as devastated as the next fan. And I’m all for the venting and coping that’s taking place. But tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day, we really should celebrate this guy as one of the best WRs to wear a Giants uniform.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
But you’re forgetting that every player that doesn’t where a Giants jersey sucks :/
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
This
sucks. No nice way to put it. Smith was one of the best possession receivers in the league. Im not upset about Boss as he wasnt worth that much, not upset about Cofield, or Plax or Asumagoh? signing with the Eagles or even Prince going down with an injury. BUT losing Smith hurts. Losing him to the Eagles makes me want to punch babies. Sure a guy can step up and make us forget all about him but right now all i can do is shake my head and ask “Isnt there more we could have done”
Well said.
Expect to be bashed tomorrow for having a negative thought about the organization.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
No panic here
We are loaded with very good receivers. They are just dying to get chance to play.
We are loaded with receivers with good potential. That doesn’t mean they will be good.
Now, with all the guys we have back there someone should step up.
Personally, I’m expecting a solid season for Reynaud, similar to what Hagan did last year.
Than hopefully one of Hixon, Barden, Cruz, or Jernigan can become that solid quick 3rd option for Eli.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
True
Jernigan helps cover for stupidity, but I’d rather have Smith and Foster.
by Maryland Fan on Aug 11, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I still like the UDFA moves but
not signing any big-name free agents (Bass is the only one, and he is not a big name) and not resigning our own free agents (aside from Bradshaw) is unsettling. I understand why the Giants didn’t resign Cofield (with two second-rounders in Joseph and Austin waiting) but there weren’t many moves. With that said, I still like the roster and the potential.
A thought for a trade
Just a thought: C. Johnson is a holdout—Osi and Bradshaw for C. Johnson. Use both Osi’s and Bradshaw’s salary to give Johnson an extension.
If only it were that easy
Buckeye Bounce!
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If only… Now I’m excited :)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
If anyone needs to ve cheered up, look at PatHanlon's twitter
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Reese
When I bad mouthed him yesterday, I got jumped on. Reese overpaid for Boley, Rolle, Canty and put us in this situation. \
Go ahead, let’s hear now from all of the Reese worshipers.
+ 1/2
I totally agree with you on all his bad free agent signings, but I’m torn since I like that he drafts to BPA. Reesehas been vastly overrated at times in the past tho.
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you would pay over 4 mil guarenteed
for a broke receiver who might end up playing half the year?
The Giants made an offer but the eggs made a better offer. Im sad to see him leave especially to the trophyless ones but I dont think anybody could expect him to be a serious contributor this year.
There will be others who are more than eager to step up in to that spot and make big plays.
The preseason hasnt even started for f*cks sake
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Alas!
Well said comrade! I do agree with some that our approach to FA is way too conservative we have made moves that have blown in our faces…Bulluck? Boley? Bernard? Canty? C.C. Brown? R.W.? the running back we got from the Browns, etc,etc,etc…ALL BAD moves. Not only that, was Hixon a FA when he got hurt? Why we waited for him and not for SS12?
Now, with that being said, what shall I do with my SS12 jersey???? I know I was given advice about my Tiki jersey before, shall I do the same with this one?
Those were all bringing in players for big contracts from other teams.
SS is different. He didn’t even want a big contract. 2 mil guaranteed. Thats all. That would leave us with 5 mil to work with and no issues except Osi.
It seems like a failed scenario when you dish out HUGE contracts to free agents but you can’t offer up two mil to a core player who helped you win the SB
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
But the fact is...
We are in this bag cap situation because of the contracts Reese has handed out.
Seems like bad management to me when you can dish out bad contracts to Rolle, Canty, Boley, etc but than not be able to resign a core guy like Smith for 2 mil guaranteed.
Just my view.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Eli isn't worth $18 a year either!
Reese is responsible for the cap mess and letting key players like Boss and Smith go. Manningham and Nicks had great seasons but you don’t know what you are going out of them this season. The other WRs are unproven so you can’t really bank on them.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yea he is
Eli gets flack for not being a top 5 QB, but those 15 teams that don’t have a top 15 QB, to which Eli is firmly entrenched in being, you don’t want that and you’d pay $20mil to have a franchise QB too.
Did you say the same thing about Smith after he had the 107 catches? Did you know you were gonna get that again? Did he have a long track record of that?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 11, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the eagles are reporting he could be back by mid-october , Reese is getting undressed and its looking more and more like he cant handle the cap , theres no reason the giants should be over the cap its not like they have alot of great players on this team
THe Raiders
Didn’t have a lot of great players and they’ve always been near the cap.
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There are a lot of good players on this team
And some good depth at various positions.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
ESPNsucks says it all
Reese has the cap management skills of Al Davis.
THe funny thing is
half the people think it’s the “other” steve smith
Shut up Eagle fans, about how we have no class. If Douchan came over here, he'd have a million death threats.
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Maybe it is and we can go back to crying about Boss - lol
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
concerned
I know this may not be a popular post for the everyone but I am concerned about the organizations relationship with players. It seems that more players are resentful of the giants organization…. are we playing too much hard ball with them? Is coughlin too rigid and unapproachable again?? Is Reese playing rough with these guys to the point where they r saying F*&k the giants ?? look at osi…smith…boss… ohara and seubert unceremoniosly sent packing? i know i know… it’s business but it seems that players need to want to play for you or u wont get the effort and loyalty. think about it….
by DAjints on Aug 11, 2011 7:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lol
Neil Best
In NFL when there is this much fan/media negativity around a team it means only one thing: Fly to Vegas and bet farm on Giants.
Shut up Eagle fans, about how we have no class. If Douchan came over here, he'd have a million death threats.
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Disgust
I have been watching the Giants all my life….I have to say this maybe the most disgusted with them that I have been ever…although I do remember this feeling in my stomach watching DAVE BROWN start year after year!!!!!! Time for the Maras’ to clean house….enough with Coughlin, his time has past…Guys today don’t want to play for some miserable old buzzard
I am furious but this is simple
JR drafts decently, does FA poorly. Overall, not just this one.
The Giants are known for being cheap (they call it conservative). The few FA signings we’ve had over years have not been great overall. Arrington, Bulluck, etc.
Wonder how they will do next year with MM. Another “cautious” showing will lose MM.
I am pissed and will stay that way no matter how this turns out. Being too conservative can hurt in the end.
And for those who have any thought that this was a group decision because Smith was hurt, watch TC’s reaction.
This was just too conservative thinking. Period. Dumb for the long term. JR needs to work FA better. Take a laxative, loosen up. Period.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 11, 2011 7:58 AM EDT reply actions
I'm not a guy that panics over pro sports...
I simply won’t do it. But you have to wonder, with all of the guys leaving via FA, with the OSI issue at hand while that is happening, if the young guys don’t perform…I hate to think that Reese’s job will be under the microscope. I refuse to ask for someone to be fired, I don’t care if the Giants have a losing season. It’s not my M.O. to ask for another mans livelihood to bit hindered because of my selfishness…but, from a professional standpoint, it has to be something Giants brass are watching…closely.
by LightningCoach on Aug 11, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions
I called for Steve Smith to not be re signed as soon as the season ended
many of you disagreed with me and attacked me, but I stand by it. It will make our offense because Mario Manningham is just straight up BETTER than Steve Smith.
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 11, 2011 8:30 AM EDT reply actions
I hear you
The thing is, Smith would have been our third best wide in my eyes too. JR made a tough and ballsy call and we’ll see how it turns out.
The flipside is that S Smith has all the intangibles as a receiver. I’m afraid that he might be a really good influence on Maclin and Desean. And I am a little leery of betting against Steve Smith. The guy is a winner. But JR thinks he wasn’t worth the money as damaged goods right now. I hope he is right. Otherwise he will take serious heat for years.
Go Giants!
You do understand that more than 2 wide receivers can play, yes?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Game 3
I dread it. If the Eagles bitch slap us it will be a long season.
can't wait either
Last year was the first time we saw Vick fully operate that offense. I expect our D to be really really good this year and I still think we’re a better “team” albeit not a dream team.
Cap Management ?
Really ? Really ? Really ? The cap shrunk by 8 million dollars and the Giants had major free agents to retain and except for Smith and Boss they did that … People are acting as if Steve Smith is Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald. He’s not and although he was a productive player for us its over he’s gone and that’s that …
People are flaming JR for not giving guaranteed money to a guy who won’t be back till mid-late October at best and still won’t probably be full strength till 2012. If the giants were hesitant to resign smith it has everything to do with his health. I almost slapped a friend of mine for suggesting at least we’ll have a top 5 pick in this years draft. Its August for f***s sake
by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 11, 2011 8:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Please....
Please stop using logic. It hurts their heads….
Go back to the year we won the superbowl...
and watch the tape from the playoffs to the big show. You’ll see and appreciate what he did. Calvin Johnson and Fitz don’t have any superbowl rings. Do they?
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 11, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I really think this was a good football decision
We can be pretty sure that Smith will not be ready for week 1 and will probably start on PUP and won’t be back until week 9. We also know that it takes two years for players to recover from this kind of injury and return to their to their pre-injury form … if ever. Pair that with the fact that Smith’s talents in the slot are largely dependent on precise route running and his explosiveness off the line, two skills that this injury will diminish, and it’s easy to see why the Giants didn’t want to give him as much guaranteed money as the eagles did.
The silver lining in all of this is that there is one less decision to make next year when Manningham is up for a new contract. The kid would be a #1 in a number of offenses around the league and if he could pick up 1/4 of Smith’s route running skills he could be a monster for us for years to come.
WOW!
Our season is over before the first coin toss.
We did not gamble...
With SS12. He gambled and lost. Remember, they offered him a lucrative deal, which he refused and then he got hurt. I think I speak for most of us when I say we’ll miss him, but he is injured and he only got a 1 year deal. Perhaps if he performs and proves he can still do it (remember microfracture surgery is no joke), he could be a Giant again next year. I’m just sayin’.
Question
when did the news of Smith’s contract offer from last year come out? I never heard about it last year or during the offseason. Is it old news from last season or did it just come out today?
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
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Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 11, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
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