New York Giants Afternoon Notes: Reese Gets Bradshaw On His Terms
by Ed Valentine on Aug 1, 2011 5:30 PM EDT
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PrintGreat job by New York Giants general manager Jerry Reese, getting Ahmad Bradshaw to re-sign with the team on the Giants terms -- not on Drew Rosenhaus' terms.
Rest assured that Bradshaw likely wanted more than the $9 million guaranteed dollars he ultimately signed for -- espcially after watching DeAngelo Williams get $21 million in guaranteed money from the Carolina Panthers.
The Giants played a little hardball with Bradshaw, bringing in free-agent running back Jason Snelling for a visit, and it worked. Bradshaw reportedly signed while Snelling was in the middle of his visit with Giants' brass -- meaning the Giants got the player who was their highest free-agent priority at the price they wanted to pay.
Oh, and special note to WFAN's Craig Carton, who played attack dog this morning when Reese was on the Boomer & Carton Show. Yes, Reese does know free agency has started. And, obviously, he also knows what he is doing.
Giants' defensive coordinator Perry Fewell said today that he expected safety Kenny Phillips to take a "quantum leap" this season, admitting that he "protected him a little bit" last season, his first after microfracture knee surgery.
For his part, Phillips admitted he wasn't as strong last season as he thought he would be.
"I wasn't as close to as where I thought I would be. A lot of guys were telling me it was going to take a year, but I was doing my best to try to prove them wrong," Phillips said. "It turns out, they were right."
Justin Tuck is remaining optimistic that Osi Umenyiora and the Giants will work out their differences, despite the team reportedly allowing Umenyiora to seek a trade.
"Somehow I know that Osi's going to be a Giant," Tuck said. "I can't tell you how much it [losing him] would hurt. I can tell you it would hurt. There are not a lot of guys like Osi. It's not like you can just go and pick up one of those guys off the street, but again as of right now, he's still under contract with the Giants and that's hopefully how it will be for the rest of the year."
Cornerback Aaron Ross told Zach Berman of the Star-Ledger "I'm not willing to do safety anymore,"and that he is ready to be challenged for playing time by No. 1 pick Prince Amukamara.
Ralph Vacchiano of the Daily just reported that tight end Ben Patrick has agreed to a one-year contract with the Giants. Wonder what that means for Kevin Boss?
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I agree with ross
been injured, been a team player, last yr of contract, time to stay where u know u will be your best and ball out…..dont be surprised if him n Corey start………..when healthy is the second best corner on the team.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
I'm fine with that if he starts at CB.
But win the job. Don’t say “Wouldn’t entertain it” out of the gate. Win the job. There are two other pretty good CB’s on the squad plus a 1st rd pick. Win the job. And if you don’t, then play well when and where you can.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 1, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TT said before he doesnt want to play safety
Kiwi said he wants to stay at DE…… Ross played there when the team needed him before while knowing that TT would have been better served as a safety, i mean dude is all safety when you look at his mentality….facing the action at all times would benefit TT but he is a pretty good corner too so it is what it is. i have no issues with Ross saying what he said at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
And thats fine
if you look at it on the surface like most fans, of course you would think that but anyone who knows the talents and abilities of a 100 percent healthy Ross Vs TT wouldnt be shocked at all.
As far as covering goes, not even close.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Nothin but love
when he played in the slot, he is an all pro…..he is super talented as well….if he covered better he would be best CB on the team but thats like saying if i had more hops i would be the best jumper on the team! so…..
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
There's no doubt that Ross is a better cover corner than Thomas
but he can’t stay healthy. I was hoping he’d stay healthy last year but he let me down again. I’m tired of defending him.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
+1
I have been a Ross supporter for a long time.. I think this is the year he finally becomes the highlight of the Giants DB’s… I am sayin… 5-10 interceptions, a couple of TD’s.. that sort of thing…
And just for the record… I feel like I was the only one on the JPP Fan Club this time last year… Of course being an USF Alumni… but for the record… lol with that said I wish to enter my name for President of said club…. May the good people of BBV decide! lmao
Look at my name
I signed up for this name as soon as they drafted him and I got his jersey soon after that, I would say you have some company in that club! lol
Craig Carton is such a...
{bad word}!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I can't stand Carton and Boomer
talk about wasted air time,
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ditto
Talk about feminine cleansing products the two of them. I never watch or listen. They are terrible.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 1, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Erm
Boomer’s not bad. Carton is terrible, though.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
Yeah Carton is the offender but that Boomer humors him and gives him times is an offense too.
But I guess Boomer’s gotta let his sideman play the role. They should really replace him. With someone with some kind of value. I just don’t get what that guy is supposed to bring to the table. Nothing.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 1, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's bring long enought bring the Iman back
he is not anymore offesive than these two clowns.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Francesa
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Yeah Francesa's a blowhard and sometimes stubbornly wrong,
But he’s also right or makes a lot of sense a lot of the time too. Just a blowhard and know-it-all but I’m OK with that for the most part.
Like how I used to dislike Sterling but he’s grown into his character so well that I like him now!
by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 1, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But you're right
So much so that I got sat radio for the car and online … I just can’t take anymore FAN
yeah i'm definitely thinking about sirius now...
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Just to let you know
when I signed up for the online package, the main reason was for the NFL station. However NFL didn’t come with the basic stuff, it’s on the premium package, which obviously they knew people would pay for. It’s still worth every penny.
Easily the worst morning show in the tri-state region
I now stream Pandora from my iPhone until 10am. At least Beningo is an amusing nut. Carton is both bull-headed and a complete moron as it pertains to all things sports.
Good deal
Fair deal on Bradshaw for both sides, IMO. Glad he’ll be back. I’m sure he’s dissapointed somewhat after the Williams deal but its still got to feel pretty good to become a multimillionaire with a flick of the pen.
4yrs; 9mil guaranteed? Nah, Reese got the better end of that deal.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Aug 1, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Drew was caught counting another mans money
this deal is accurate for what AB has done SO FAR and some of what he has not done yet……DeAngelo got paid for a being a beast and doing it for years, he also got paid for his loyalty to a bad team, he also got paid because he was the offensive face of that team for a while because they haven’t had good QB play in forever.
and he also got paid because his owner is doing what a good owner would do spend all the money on your good loyal homegrown stars.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Well said Gates, yes indeed.
I just cannot believe this thread started out with talk of Ross not wanting to play Safety!
WE FRIGGIN KEPT 44!!!! I’m psyched. Now for SS12…..
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
KP
I remember after the Cowboys game i thought we had a star in the making. Hope he can look as good as he did before he got hurt
Speaking of Philips and his surgery,
Makes me wonder how much are we going to get out of SS12 this year even when he can play. Unless he get’s a two year deal so we get a year of him at full strength.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My guess not much.
If he does produce it would be closer to the end of the season than the beggining
Yup all the stories over there are about construction updates, new practice facility, and Marshon Brooks pro-am's
It was getting very boring. I’m not sure how I’m gonna survive the rest of this lockout.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Aug 1, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Once Marshon drops 40 we'll all be back.
i kno i will, its going to be a circus again. some calling him a bust and some sayings he is the next KObe lol
I've lurked Netsdaily since I joined SBNation
love the site
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 1, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is
but during the season it is the best SB Nation blog out there imo. There’s guys like Andres, Nets14 and Killa who are fun to argue about stuff with and MIKE to provide the comedy to the discussion. Oh yeah, and Net Income defending Outhouse and Yi. Lots of entertainment over there.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And how could I forget the one and only Tal
commenting on every Barclays Center thread in opposition to any and everything Brooklyn related.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Aug 1, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He will not be himself totally
but for what his game is predicated on, SS12 can still be a very valuable threat this year especially late……he is a very unique player, where most wide receivers open up the field, he shrinks it, he keeps all the defenders eyes inside, overplaying on their zones because he disects the middle better than almost anyone in the league.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Again, well said: "he shrinks it."
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
KP is one of my favorites
but everybody always mentions that game like Romo didnt throw one right to him and the other one was a fluke off of wittens foot……he has done some other things that make me believe he is a star in the making but not that game.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Do we NEED to have KP play in the box S?
I’d rather have the more expendable Rolle play that.
I think they should still play KP mostly deep.
What the the numbers for Bradshaw’s deal?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 1, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
I know the market dried up
but did Snelling really scare Bradshaw in taking just $18?
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
apparently there's no market now for snelling
rather have signed him for a 1 yr deal as a FB then ben patrick at TE
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 1, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd love to have snelling on as a fb, if we have the funds
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Yes!
I do not like the Patrick signing. Should have signed Snelling, would add a dimension to the offense.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 1, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoy thinking we have the greatest players in the world.
So in my mind Bradshaw took the best offer for the team
KP will be deep most of the time because he doesnt blitz well
not to mention he goes sideline to sideline deep better than anyone else on the team when healthy.
The problem is Rolle is a proven playmaker deep and now a proven playmaker in the box. Fewell is in for
alot og “good problems” this year with all these interchangeable players.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
now another tight end
Ben Patrick from Arizona signed a 1 year deal
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
I believe he's still getting medical clearance
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
I dont think he can practice until august 4 th or whatever that date is for the new contract people
you know CBA…BS
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Kiwanuka
Signed as a free agent. FA signees cannot practice until Aug. 4 due to the rules in the new CBA.
Last year i think we were a "Playoff Team"
Cut out the massive amounts of turnovers and Get better special teams play and i think we are in the argument to battle for the NFC title
We r not as good as Philly as i see....IDK about the Cowboys
Sorry about my lack of knowledge in football….i was always a Giants fan but not really hardcore like im a Nets fan
D12 OR BUST!!!!
Philly is going to have to prove it
I am sorry when you have won absolutly nothing in the last 50 years, I got to see Andy Reid holding the Lombardi before I will belive it.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful what you wish for
They’re that close. And with a vastly improved D any way you look at it, I’d be careful putting the words “Reid” and “Lombardi” together. I might throw up in my mouth.
Currently they aren't any closer than the Lions or the Raiders
wait until the season starts
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 1, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My point
is that their management has done a brilliant job putting the best team they can on the field. Yes, they have to play. But nothing from the last two years of their efforts indicates they won’t. Those guys bring it. They were awful against Minny, but the rest of their season looked pretty damn good, and they always play a tough last half of the season. Injuries, actual play, etc, yeah, they have to do that. But that org. makes their players produce, and they’ve beaten us six straight. Showed some amazing heart to pull of mm2. I may hate them, but respect? Yeah, I’d say they’ve earned it, SB or not.
They were awful against Minny because Frazier borrowed Fewells plan
News flash they were awful against us until 8 mins left in the 4th quarter as well………..they make their players produce?? LMAO really
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
The Eagles used to give us problems in the Parcells days too
Bottom line is we won 2 Lombardi’s and other than bragging rights they won nothing. Eagles line still looks not so good, and if you remember Vick got worn down by all the hits he took last year. Eagles D still needs to stop the run can they do it and last I checked they put their O-line coach at D coordinator he has never been a D coordinator. I think we all know a D coordinator is a very important position.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Eagles have been one and done in the playoffs the last two years.
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
Like I said
It’s a long road from now untill the SB, I am just going to have to see it before I believe it. Same with the Jets. I’ll give the Eagles their due as far as getting all the FA’s signed, however they still got to mesh together and no injuries lot could happen between now and Jan.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Me
I would never be satisified as a “solid playoff team” with the amount of talent on this team. There were times like in the Dave Brown/Reeves era where this team was devoid of talent, and even this was probably an unreal expectation…..
This sounds like the battle cry of the a Texan fan here in Houston. As long as they make the playoffs, Kubiak will be off the hook and everyone can sleep soundly. And thats fine, thats the way alot of people are about this type of stuff.
For me, all I want is for us to win the SuperBowl. Anything else blows. There has been and is enough talent on this team to do it. Its a matter of finding a LEADER on this team that will bring it all together.
Carton is an idiot Jet fan.
Ben Patrick is competition for Bear Pascoe at TE. If he’s more then that, we don’t have a TE unless Beckum’s also taken a “quantum leap”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Interesting
Osi Umenyiora says in email to The AP he hopes there is still a chance he can play for Giants this season.
Osi, slow down! Don’t want to tire yourself out from all the backpedaling.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 1, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
I hope they trade the loudmouth
Don’t need to go through next year like this with him. If ANY team offers a #1, I’d grab it. Let JPP and Kiwanuka have their chances.
I dont
but i am also not scared if he leaves but let’s be clear here, he provides a unique talent to that line, something no one else can.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
you guys really need to get a grip on this...
Firstly where did the reports come from that he wants a trade? Sal Palantonio from ESPN just stated the giants gave Osi a chance to seek a trade if he can find a team willing to give the Giants what they want.
Secondly I’d like for any one of you to ask for a raise at your job because you feel like you deserve it. When your denied what are you gonna do? Shop your skills elsewhere and find a better job with better pay. If you get an offer to make an extra 10k a year turn it down and stay loyal to your current company. I understand this is a bit different and he is under contract that he signed but he has a right to fight for a raise if he wants to. The only difference is nobody cares about any of you finding a new job everyone cares about Osi doing it cause he is in the spotlight we call the NFL. I never understood why these guys get criticized so much when all they are doing is what any of us would do given the opportunity. The most important difference in this argument is the fact that NFL players careers last on average 6 years while us normal guys work for about 40. If you all were in his shoes you too would be trying to get every penny while you can. Let’s cut the criticism and let it be already.
by bdasilva7785 on Aug 1, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
He called Reese a liar
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
LMAO please read this report correctly
Osi I never heard the word liar come out of Osi’s mouth. The media is making this bigger then it really is. The NYPost is such a reliable source all the time right?
That's not how I see it at all
As people who pay the salaries of these players with tickets, apparel, etc,. we are like shareholders. We have a stake in the team (company).
Imagine that the Giants are a Fortune 500 company and Osi is the VP of Sales. He’s under contract for two more years but demands that he get a raise. The board (ownership and front office) decides that he has not increased sales enough to warrant a raise. He causes a stir in the media by saying that the CEO (GM Reese) is a liar for not giving him a promised raise. Not only does he threaten to stop performing his duties if he is not given this raise (hold out), he demands that he be released from his contract (traded) so he can sign with another company (team).
What happens in such a scenario? People question the stability of the company and its stock goes down. If the stock goes down, then the shareholders (fans) lose money. (In a football sense, the Giants go down by not being able to put the best team out there, which affects its ability to win games.) It might lead to tension in the workplace. I’m sure people in Osi’s division (D-line) are more likely to support him than someone in Research & Development (let’s say that represents TEs or WRs). The distraction causes strife and divides the company (locker room).
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
The VP of sales has his rights to protect himself
Life is too short especially in the NFL to not get paid and play games with your board. The VP of sales doesn’t owe anyone within that company or the shareholders anything he doesn’t want to give them. As a fan if you question the stability in your team sell your psl’s and get out while you can. If i could afford it I’d be more then happy to buy season tickets right now to a team that is playing with or without Osi.
The signing bonus is the player's protection
It’s guaranteed money in a sport where season-ending injures happen without warning.
As for not owing anyone anything, the VP has a responsibility to meet the requirements of his contract. He can’t sign a contract in 2005 and decide in 2011 that he no longer wants to adhere to the tenets of the deal.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Osi did not outplay his contract.
i dont care if he was A Vp, flipping burgers,loading goods off trucks, juggling bombs. He was injured 1 year and played horrrribly the next. He is asking for something he did not earn.
but to your point i disagree. the owners release players on contracts they sign so it goes both ways.
Yes
but that’s still something that’s agreed upon in the CBA. It’s not as if the owners are cutting people loose without any kind of legal standing. If that were true, then every player who gets cut would take his respective team to court.
If the players want guaranteed contracts, then don’t agree to non-guaranteed contracts in the CBA.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
He can if he has other companies in the same industry...
vying for his services and are willing to make a trade off with his current company. Obvously in the business world this would not happen and is not a good comparison but thats what it comes down to in the NFL
But that's the same thing that the Giants offered
He can if he has other companies in the same industry vying for his services and are willing to make a trade off with his current company.
“Trades” in business aren’t that rare. You can buy out the contract of an employee who is with another company. If a team buys out Osi’s contract (gives the Giants a 1st-round pick), then they can have him.
To me this is just like the corporate world.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
whether he deserves it or not he has his rights...
He is human jut like all of us and if he feels he wants a raise let him fight for it. Just cause he plays in the NFL doesn’t mean he can’t fight for more money. The only reason this is discussed is because the man is in the NFL. If he was just some regular Joe nobody would give a crap. Let the NYPost write an article on me tomorrow cause I want to go to work and ask for a raise.
Osi didn't complain about the money he got in 2008
when he didn’t perform the duties of his contract. The Giants didn’t ask for a refund. They still followed the contract and paid him for services not rendered.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Just like any of these whining players....
Lucabrasi was NOT there to put a gun to their head when they signed their deals.
Newsflash, if you want fair market value every year, then SIGN A ONE YEAR DEAL and then get a new deal every year based on how you performed.
But wait, you say you want the SECURITY of the long term deal? Then fine, sign a deal with whatever guaranteed money is acceptable to you, then if you sign HONOR the contract. If you dont like it, then don’t sign it and do what you want to do……
Honestly, Osi should NOT be whining here. Chris Johnson has reason to whine. Osisl was BIG when he signed it, now he wants to play the poor red headed stepchild……. Sorry, no sympathy here. He has NOT outperformed his contract.
It would be OK for him to be pissed next year
It’s common for high end guys to re-up in the last year, he’s a year early and asking for $ no one will pay
+1
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
No, sorry
First of all, he signed a contract. That contract, at the time he signed it, was a big deal. Its not at all like someone finding a better job, that makes no sense. He signed a 42 million dollar contract and got 15 of it up front just for signing. Doing that put him on the hook for 7 years and thats the end of the story. He traded his future freedom for the up front money, plain and simple, and he is the one that needs to “come to grips” with it.
Nevermind the fact that he has been injured and missed a whole year. Then he comes back and has one pretty crap year followed by one good one and is suddenly walking around making demands. Top 5 money? Seriously? He’s not even the best player at his position on the TEAM.
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 1, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You have signed contracts...
Whether it be for a cell phone or a cable company we have all signed contracts. Does that mean you pay your bill on time every month? In your case you may other do not. Does it mean your stuck with them for the length of yout contract? No it doesn’t pay cancellation fee and your out of it. Same goes for Osi get us a 1st round pick and your free to go, chances are he doesn’t but he still has his right to seek employment elsewhere. Thats all im saying
Your analogies
are insane, and I’m not going to bother comparing signing up for a cellphone to signing a multimillion dollar sports contract.
At very best, your argument that he has a right to try and negotiate a better salary or a trade has merit. However, an analogy that DOES fit the regular workplace is that if you’re negotiating with your boss, don’t bring the general public into it because it’ll make you look like a giant douche. Nobody is saying he doesn’t have the right to negotiate, of course he does. When your boss says no, though, you can either suck it up and try again next year or you can quit. In this situation, you really cant “demand” anything and trying to do so just makes you look silly.
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 1, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Boss supposedly wants to resign
but his agent is trying to squeeze out every penny in the contract. gee, i would have never imagined an agent would do such a thing
The Osi thing will show that if a player thinks he should get more money from the team
then he should just holdout. So, what stops Bradshaw from demanding a new contract next year if he has a monster year?
sigh...
Let Osi holdout. He has no cards to play. None.
If he sucks this year, and half-asses it, no one will want to give him his money, and the Giants certainly won’t redo his deal either. We’re in a win win with Osi. Either we get a top pick, or we get him at his best because he will have to show other teams he can play to get big money. Otherwise he will get Haynesworth Patriot money.
Osi
He’s pissed that he is stuck with a lousy contract he willingly signed. But he’s a proud player and I don’t think he’d ever dog it.
If we can get a 1st rounder for him I think Reese will let him go. But JR will not hurt the team or be forced into a bad deal just to let Osi get his payday. JR’s job is to amass the best talent with the resources he has and not to be a nice guy.
Go Giants!
Osi seems to have an agent problem again
The first Agent negotiates the deal he signs and he get’s fired and this new Agent fails to explain to Osi that he really has zero leverage with 2 years left on a contract.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The moron just went about it the wrong way
and now Reese has ALL the leverage.
+1
Who the heck goes into work wanting a raise and acts like Osi? What planet does he live on?
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked real good on NFL network coverage
standing there while his D linemates ran drills. Smile on his face and everything. Well good Osi. I hope we get a #1 for you.
So when he is still on the Giants than what?
Is he going to dog it? I highly doubt he will land a big contract than, he will have to prove himself again. Is he going to retire? Osi is going to have to put up another good year. Maybe someone will be willing to give up a high pick (1st or 2nd) rip up his contract and pay him 10 mil a year, and I might just hit powerball Wed. too
Unless Mr. Mara feels bad for him and let’s him go for nothing I would say Osi is at JR’s mercy.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Mara will not interfere with JR
And yes, if we don’t trade him, it’s retire or play for the big contract 1 to 2 years from now. No leverage. None. But I’d move him now if I could to get the pick and lose the headache.
Here is the problem
Unless someone is totally desperate why would they give up a high pick and re work Osi’s deal?
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he is a helluva pass rusher and
that is premium in the NFL.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
by Blue Gates on Aug 1, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Osi is a helluva pass rusher who happens to be soft on the run
Has knee and Hip issues, the second coming of Peppers he is not. I just don’t see a team trying to give us a high pick and than have to turn around rip up Osi’s deal and pay him 10 mil or more. Don’t forget Shockey’s Contract was intact with the trade
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He is not soft on the run.
He’s just not great at it. Like alot of RDE who’s main job is to rush the passer.
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yup
common for pass rushers lol…………. he does it more often though, you are correct. i suspect the hip had alot to do with that.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
1 trick Pony's hmmmm
like Randy Moss, Devin hester, Dwight Freeney…….people get paid for their one trick all the time………….being a one trick pony is awesome if your one trick works 90 % of the time, now if it worked lets say 40% of the time then we have a problem.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Thats my problem with Osi
i dont mind Osi being on the team he does help. BUT! 3.5 sacks in the last 10 games 2010.7 the whole 09 season and 2007 he had 6 in one game. He is not a 90% guy
He is streaky
i can admit that but say what u like he gets the most attention from the O linemen once he gets going and that makes it easier for all the others.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
So you admit that he is a helluva pass rusher
then say he soft against the run, right before you admit past hip n knee issues…… you ever think with the hip issue fixed he might be a little more willing to go inside on the run?? anyway, they pay pass rushers, to well pass rush!!!! who said he was Peppers??
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
but that begs the question
if he is hurt, why is he hurting the team?? running wide and leaving boley all by his lonesome… that doesnt sound like a team player… :/
I have a feeling
if he was consistently doing something (rushing wide) the Giants coaches didn’t want him doing he would either change it, get replaced, or he would not have gotten signed to a second long term deal like he did to begin with.
Osi does what he is paid to do… what he was born to do. And that is to rush the QB.
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
True
but i think he is just trying to get to the QB, i personally think he cant go inside, i think the hip was preventning that….. he doesnt protect Boley at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
if he has no leverage, why move him??
I think he is more of a headache to the media, bloggers and fans than he is to his teammates, coaches and especially GM…..“off season chatter” …… doesnt sound like a guy with a headache to me.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
We shouldn't move him
Just like he said JR told him two good years and we will talk, so far he has had one. Osi needs to prove he can play the run as well as pass rush and can stay healthy. He has another season like the one he just had and he will get his money.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
In Osi's defense
in 2 years he’ll then be deemed too old.
Tuck seems to know
that Osi will be in blue if there is no #1 offer. He also knows that Osi will have no choice but to shine.
Imagine having Tuck in your face like that!
Anybody at practice?
Hook us up with some blurbs.
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 1, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
I’d much rather move him. Will be an interesting draft for us next year. Assuming JPP, Joseph, Austin, Amukamarra play well, and Kiwi plays well and resigns, D need wouldn’t be there. Perhaps a LINEBACKER in our future? Too much to hope for? Would also be interested to see what WR’s RB’s and TE’s would be out there for us with three high draft picks and a crop of young talent, assuming these guys we drafted and play this year workout. Trade Osi. I’d love it.
Why we need him this season
If he leaves or is traded next season we can make adjustments, through the draft or another FA or somebody steped up and took his position. We don’t need to trade him just because.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
hats alot of assuming
Keep him
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
thats*
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Gotta admit, the drat would be fun with multiple 1st rounders.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I gotta be honest:
I like the fact that Ross doesn’t want to be shuffled over to another position by Prince. If he isn’t willing to fight for his position and playing time, I don’t want him on the team.
Besides, I think TT would be better used as the extra safety. He’s a more physical player, and a better tackler.
this is true
too many are taking this as a negative when its probably a positive. That he doesn’t want the easy way out by going to a new position seems like a good thing.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Exactly
like i said at the top, why should he want to be moved when he has been a team player, has been injured for the team, he is in his last year, its time for him to do him and be the best he can be at what he does.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Yeah, I can agree with this view.
So long as he’s in line when it matters most.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 1, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Now...
If depth became a problem at S, and Ross still refused to slide over, then it becomes a problem.
For now, refusing to back down from your position is good for the team.
Its how you look at it.
If you think he is going to keep his word then its bad. If you think he is just talking out of his A*% then you can look at it as being competitive.
It really doesn't matter
Most teams line up three wide now, and often four. He’ll be a corner. I can see Sash getting the playing time as third safety. Kid hits, and is SMART. LOT to be said for being a smart football player. AP in his prime comes to mind.
Osi
Much as i like Osi, if a lousy team offered their 2nd round pick (in the 30s overall), I’d take it, given Reese’s skill at finding higher-rated talent in lower rounds. Let’s just say that we trade Osi to Seattle for their 2nd rounder. Seattle is likely to finish 2-14, 3-13, and pick high in the draft. Their 2nd rounder could turn out to be the 34th or 35th pick overall, and I wouldn’t mind that at all.
What did Reese turn the shockey pics into?
Clint Sintum and Rhett Bomar, you sure you want to give up Osi for somthing like that?
by Late for Dinner on Aug 1, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
this is what I wanna know
what lower round gems do people keep talking about
He's been the GM for four drafts
Early picks are expected to perform quickly. Low-round picks aren’t. It takes at least 2 years to judge the lower picks of a draft but I’ll list 2007-2010.
2007 – 5 guys who’ve started at various positions
Fourth Round— Zak DeOssie
Fifth Round— Kevin Boss
Sixth Round— Adam Koets
Seventh Round— Michael Johnson
Seventh Round— Ahmad Bradshaw
2008 – Starting MLB
Fifth Round— Jonathan Goff
2009 – Nothing
2010 – Petrus could be a starting G/C next year; too early to judge the others
Fourth Round— Phillip Dillard
Fifth Round— Mitch Petrus
Sixth Round— Adrian Tracy
Seventh Round— Matt Dodge
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
2009, nothing??
lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Gothca
thanks
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
I guess you've
forgotten that good ol’ Rhett can play any of twenty two postions. He can kick, too.
You forgot....
He’s more than capable of being HC, OC, DC, AND Position/Line coach.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
Arm chair
GMs need to stop questioning Reese. He’s a good GM. He knows what he’s doing. His inactivity in the FA market is by design. He’s not going to mortgage the future for questionable FA talent.
I think we all agree that Reese is a good GM. I think most of us think he's a very good GM. But nobody is perfect and we're just debating what we think he could do better.
If we don’t question anything what fun would all this posting be? It be boring to just keep saying Reese did the right thing all the time. “In Reese we Trust” (but we reserve the right to argue from our arm-chairs from time to time.)
Glad he got AB back. Don’t have any idea what he could have done differently with Osi – that’s a tough one. Assuming he gets Boss/SS12 back in blue I think everyone will be pretty darn happy.
Plus some of us are still recovering from the Philly hangover!!! So we have to complain a little bit!!! HA HA HA
Nice way to put it all in perspective, M.o. :-)
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
If we get a 2nd rd frm Seattle then
We will have the 32 pick n the Seahawks pick around 37. That’s good
The greatest player ever!!!
by terellchewy on Aug 1, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like this plan all of a sudden.
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
I see what you did there..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Osi willing to play OLB in a 3-4
Aug. 01, 2011 5:35 p.m. – by Alex Raskin -
DE Osi Umenyiora is very willing to play OLB in a 3-4 defense if it would facilitate a trade away from the Giants, a source with knowledge of his thinking said to CBSsports.com. Given that so many teams implement the scheme, Umenyiora’s willingness to move away from DE — where he has spent seven seasons — improves his chances of being traded. Lions RapidReports
Thats nice
I wonder what his contract demands would be for this foray into a new position. I’m going to go with “unrealistic”… any takers?
by Oppenheimer919 on Aug 1, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha...He'd be back to "tweener" status. Can't wait to see him try to cover some TEs down the field on a regular basis (and not just a zone blitz)...
by Manningologist on Aug 1, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
3-4 OLB's don't cover as much as people think they do
especially man to man coverage.
D Ware dropped 3-4 times per game in coverage at most.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 2, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That is in that scheme Mclaren
every 34 and 43 are different, thats what people dont see….the cowboys 34 doesnt ask Ware to drop alot, well because he is Ware but certain 34’s do require the ROLB to drop more than others like the one the skins tried to impliment, the Dolphins drop a good amt too.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
most useful thing he's said in months
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Geez, he is so good against the run
I would be very afraid to have a running play at him. Not.
Osi, even in 3-4 you still have to work against the run. Did you know that?
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 1, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Always good to have options. For JR, I mean
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
Is that a hint
Maybe trade with the jets for Harris
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Aug 2, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
It would really hurt though if we trade him...but if it comes to that then he forced it.
It would really stink to take our DE rotation from 4 very good DEs to 3. Their effectiveness is so much greater when they can fully rotate in and out. Plus, as they seem to tend to get hurt we would be one step away from having no real rotation.
And I know Sintim can put his hand down but wouldn’t be the same. Hope he stays, but if he leaves then screw him!
If Osi won't be our knight,
he’ll be our pawn.
It looks like a win-win scenario for us.
by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
But we played the majority of last season with 3 DEs and we still had a pretty ballin’ pass rush.
oops
so why cant I post a link anymore? did something change?
anyway go to nj.com it has a excerpt from Osi
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Here you go
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
I love Craig Carton, but he makes me want the Jets to lose
He takes shots at the Giants every single chance he gets, and fits the old “insecure Jets fan” type. Then he’ll twist it when the Giants do well & the Jets don’t. Brandon Tierney was the same way, but he was just a douche.
I absolutely NEED the Jets to be dominated against on Christmas Eve against the Giants…but the bad part is that if it does happen, he won’t be in the next Monday to talk about it because they’ll be off for the holiday.
Ross
Everyones hatin on ross but i think he has talent remember his rookie year he was nasty. But hes not good playing nickel because hes not quick enough
That was ages ago lol
This is gonna be his 5th season in the league…that’s like a lifetime.
Either he stops getting burned this year, or he’s finally finished.
Ahmad
Free agency is like a staring contest. It comes down to who blinks first. Fans will always be impatient. So, it is comforting to know that the Giants brain trust continues to make measured, smart, high impact decisions. They do not let the media or a high maintenance fan base dictate their pace or targets. Craig Carton’s job is to rile up the masses for the sake of ratings. Do not for one minute think he says anything based on fact or actual knowledge of a situation.
“Oh, and special note to WFAN’s Craig Carton, who played attack dog this morning when Reese was on the Boomer & Carton Show. Yes, Reese does know free agency has started. And, obviously, he also knows what he is doing.”
I hate Craig Carton……all he knows how to do is talk smack, he is one of the reason why I don’t listen to NY Sports talk radio. Typical loud mouth retard Jets fan. NY sports radio are just a bunch of biased idiots.
The Panthers deal for DeAngelo Williams was the worst contract handed out in free agency and it made all the other RBs think that all of sudden there would be big money out there for them. But of course, the real market for RBs kept trending in the same direction it has for the past 4-5 years. Down.
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