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New York Giants Notes: Worst Giants Memories Edition

Good morning, Giants fans.  I'm posting a few things today not because I want to, but because other journalists and bloggers have mentioned them and it gives us something to discuss.  I'll start with this one, because it's a beauty.  Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk posted something on the four worst New York Giants moments. 

I'm going to let you all debate, but not before I weigh in on this.  First of all, I remember right after the (and this is what I'm calling it going forward) Second G*d D*mn Miracle, sitting at this very desk writing a recap and thinking that this could be the worst loss in Giants' history, maybe even more so than Joe Pisarcik.  But alas, Florio doesn't even have the 1978 game in the Top Four.  He has the 49ers wild card playoff game of 2002 at the top, and in many ways I cannot debate that.  But I'm not sure the Pisarcik game deserves to be left off.  Then again, it's not like that was a playoff game or even had implications.

NFL.com news: Pressure mounts as legal teams return to labor negotiations
The parties filtered in before 10 a.m. ET and left in the 5 p.m. hour, with league officials staying behind and working into the early evening to prep for Wednesday's meeting, which will take on a similar format to Tuesday's session. The idea is clear away some of the underbrush, taking care of details and language in a potential agreement, so the path to a settlement will be more defined when the principles agree on larger issues. Players, owners, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell are scheduled to rejoin talks Thursday and Friday.

Labor update: Negotiations continue in most important week yet - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports
The "drop-dead" date for a new agreement to facilitate a full preseason seems to be July 15, and if things go too far beyond that, there's simply no way to open the league year, get the CBA in effect, have a preseason and free agency in time, and start operations in a cohesive fashion.


It's all urgent, yes.  Which is why I'm about to make light of the situation and give you a video of stick figures set to Foreigner's "Urgent." 

Star-divide

Tiki Barber looks to pick up pieces of life and NFL career - USATODAY.com
Lepselter's approach to negotiations once they can occur also suggests financial considerations are not foremost. "We're not looking to turn this into an auction," he says. "There are only a handful of coaches he would want to play for."

Ha, or how about he can count on one hand the number of coaches that would even consider a roster spot?

Take your pick: Burress or Barber? - AFC East Blog - ESPN
Wide receiver Plaxico Burress could be a fit for the New York Jets or a desperate Miami Dolphins offense. Running back Tiki Barber, despite his age and rustiness, could offer help as a third-down specialist for the Dolphins or New England Patriots. Which player has the better chance of a) making legitimate impact, and b) not embarrassing himself?

That's a fun debate, especially when we're talking about those two guys being in the AFC.  However, I have to admit that I really don't give a crap.

Here are a couple of Eagles droppings for you.....

Eagles figure to be busy when lockout ends - Philly.com
When the NFL lockout is finally ended and a new collective bargaining agreement has been agreed upon, the new league year is likely to start shotgun style. Maybe Plaxico Burress can fire the first shot? The former New York Giants wide receiver and notorious thigh-shooter has filled the NFL news cycle since his release from prison last month, so his kicking off what should be an unprecedented flurry of activity would seem only appropriate.

Really, you had to go there?

Andy Reid's son finds some trouble | National Football Post
Andy Reid’s second son has allegedly run afoul from the law again. Fortunately, this time it’s only a series of traffic offenses. The Delaware County (Pa.) Times reports Britt Reid, 26, was pulled over by state police last week and cited for careless driving, speeding and tire equipment and traction surfaces violations. The traffic stop took place in Lower Merion Township.

And for you guys looking for a fantasy jones, here is a look at the Giants outlook for 2011Eli Manning always seems to be a fantasy disappointment, and the fact that he's mentioned in the same company as Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford and Joe Flacco isn't exactly glowing--yet probably mirrors the frustration many of us have with Manning's shortcomings. 

I'm going back to work.  You guys can debate some of this stuff.  And hey, it's hump day already--one of the perks of a three-day weekend. 

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49ers wild card playoff game of 2002

Oh man. For me the worst the screaming at the Gmen for blowing a huge lead in the second half and then the crying on the FG attempt and then full on rage at possibly the worst non call in a football game ever!! That game took me months to get over. Thanks for that memory Mike. Lol

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Jul 6, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

+ :-(

Haunts me. I’m not old enough to be haunted by the Pisarcik game, but just the fact that we were beating them so thoroughly and then got pounded so bad, just unrecoverable.

I’d also like to nominate the duo of the Championship Game/Super Bowl in 2000. Coming off such a high of destroying a 15-1 Vikes Offensive Juggernaut to get destroyed by Trent Dilfer (well, Ray Lewis & co, but whatever) was rough.

by TNYFBG on Jul 6, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm old enough

to just barely remember the Pisarcik game. But not old enough to be effected by it. My indoctrination into football and the Giants was still underway. My worst games, in order:

4. Miracle in Meadowlands II
3. 1997 WC round fourth Quarter collapse at home vs. Vikes
2. 1990 WC round OT loss to Rams on Flipper Anderson play
1. And this one blows away all the others for me: 2002 SF WC loss
Too many losses in the WC round for our team….

Just get it done already...

by tommy d. on Jul 7, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The top 3 are good

What separates them is that there was not one bad play, but a continual nosedive into utter embarrassment.

For #4, if I had to pick a bad moment, it was the Flipper Anderson touchdown in 1990. That killed off a better team than the 1997 team or Pisarchik’s team. We could have been Super Bowl contenders (as we were the following year).

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Jul 6, 2011 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

a few bad moments

the second g*d d*mn miracle is one, seeing the giants lose the first super bowl i ever watched too, that was bad

"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid

by nyg94 on Jul 6, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Being That i became a Hardcore FB fan

When the G-Men made the playoff run in 08 to win the Superbowl, That 2nd Debacle of a Miracle is the worst to me bar none. I just watched the highlights on NFL.Com and it jus look like something straight of madden. Your playing on All-Madden with eagles and the Giants are kicking ur A** and then u switch it to rookie so u can make a comeback. SMDH I’m not going be over it until we beat them—AND—make the playoffs in the same season

by AHoustonGiant on Jul 6, 2011 9:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Been following the PFT worst moments

     and Florio only does the moments after 1987 (since the last work stopage) so no Pisarcik in 1978 or Landeta’s miss punt in 1985.
     I agree with the top 4 and the honorable mentions, throw in the Westbrook punt game and the Kiwi miss sack in TENN.
     Funny story, I was at a 4th of July BBQ and was talking to a guy from BAL and the Super Bowl came up. He was talking about driving up to NY the day of the game in a car covered with Raven stickers/flags. So all along I95 guys in Giant jerseys would just flip in of and drop F Bombs. Then at a gas station, a guy in a Sehorn jersey went a lil nuts on him…. but I guess the joke was on him in the end… sigh.

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 6, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

*flip him off

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 6, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 2002 SF game yeah

Thats up there, obviously. But I think off the top of my head, for me, it was the ravens super bowl. I was so excited, Giants coming off a complete dismantling of Minnesota… Giants offense looked like it was peaking right at the right moment.

I remember I made this big tray of nachos, and by the time the nachos were gone, it was clear that the Giants offense had nothing for the Ravens D. Then in the second half the ridiculous “Oh ****, touchdown… Oh ****! Touchdown! Oh **** touchdown” sequence. I’m sure I’m not alone amongst Giant fans who for Kerry Collins, this game was the last straw. He sure could nail a defender in the numbers, couldn’t he?

For me the Eagles game last year, while remarkable and obviously painful, does not fall into the same category. While it always sucks to lose to any team in the NFC East, the Giants were already sliding at this point and my personal expectations were low. I was honestly shocked that they managed to even build the lead that they did. It would have been nice for them to win, but I think it really would have most likely translated into a one game season extension.

by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 6, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Dude what are u talking about "Sliding" "One game season extension"

That eagles game had SERIOUS playoff implications, we win that and we win 2nd place in the NFC ahead of the Bears! And “Sliding” they’d won 3 inna row, this game put us out of the playoff hunt essentially we still had a chance but this was our chance! And Who knows what wouldve happened if We’d had got in, oh yeah we wouldve had the Seahawks in the 2nd rnd who we dismantled by 40 that’s all it meant!

by AHoustonGiant on Jul 6, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

In the second half of the season

The giants beat exactly one team that could even be considered decent, and that was Jacksonville.

They had more than “a chance” to make the playoffs, they had two situations where all they had to do was win. And they lost both. Horribly, both times.

Just my opinion, but with the injury situation on the offensive line (which got worse after the eagles game), they weren’t going anywhere in the playoffs anyway.

by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 6, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with AHoustonGiant

Always dicey to present “what would have happened”, but in this case the counterfactual is pretty clear: if the Giants hadn’t blown that game v. Eagles, they’d have hosted the NFC championship game v. Packers. All else equal but for that game, Giants would have been #2 seed, Bears #3, and Eagles out of playoffs (even if they’d tried harder in last 2 games, they likely would have lost out to Packers for #6 seed). first round would have been Seahawks over Saints (as did happen), and Packers over Bears at Soldier Field (as happened in NFC championship game). Packers would have destroyed Falcons just as they really did, and Giants would have faced Seahawks at home — don’t think it’s much of a stretch to chalk that up as a win. Thus Giants at home v. Packers. I certainly wouldn’t assume that the Giants would have won that game, but getting to that point would have been a near certainty.

by hankwebb on Jul 6, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup,

And the season would have felt a whole lot different.

Just get it done already...

by tommy d. on Jul 6, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Changed my mind

If the Giants had held on to beat the Eagles that day, instead of going on to get demolished by the Packers in week 15, they would have won 52 – 0. Then Eli and Brandon would have come over to my house for beers and a Ferrari would have appeared in my garage. My house would have a pool and the bikinis to dudes ratio would resemble a Coors light commercial.

Man I’m liking Dodge less and less

by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 6, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

I’m just joking around guys… what do I know?

by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 6, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can joke like that anytime.

I enjoyed the humor AND the picture in my mind of that happening at my house. I’d want Strahan there too, though. BTW, how are the funds doing Oppenheimer?

Just get it done already...

by tommy d. on Jul 7, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I could have kept going honestly but it was getting out of hand. Just wanted to make sure I didn’t start an internet fight. Oppenheimer is as in J. Robert the scientist as opposed to the investment fund… I understand the confusion, as how often does one find a scientist username reference on a football website?

by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 7, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't mind me asking,

why do you reference the father of the atomic age?

Just get it done already...

by tommy d. on Jul 7, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always just thought he was an interesting character in American history that most people don’t know about. Brilliant scientist plays a major role in helping create the weapon that wins WW2, is then basically blackballed and destroyed in the postwar communist hunting thing.

Plus I’m not going to make Bomar jokes on the internet under my real name. That guy is crazy and he’ll find me.

by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 8, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is a fascinating

20th Century figure. And reading about his fears during the project is interesting reading. You may know more about him than me, but I recall his socialist leanings and affiliations with different left wing and Communist organizations being well documented. He even admitted to some of these affiliations.

And believing in Marxism and Communism as a political persuasion was not an uncommon thing for 2/3 of the 20th Century. But I don’t think he was an outright Communist was he?

Well, thanks for arousing my curiosity in him. I’m going to read up on him some.

Just get it done already...

by tommy d. on Jul 8, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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