2011 NFL Free Agency: Giants Planning For Life After Bradshaw?
by Ed Valentine on Jul 31, 2011 8:00 PM EDT
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Wow! I sneak out for a couple of hours (OK, OK, guilty as charged. I went out and played nine holes of golf) and when I come back all sorts of stuff seems to have happened around the New York Giants. Much of the news has to do with free-agent running back Ahmad Bradshaw
ESPN's John Clayton tweeted earlier that the Giants and Bradshaw "aren't close" on a contract agreement. It seems like both Bradshaw and the Giants are beginning to make alternate plans.
Clayton tweeted that Bradshaw, who is also getting some interest from the Washington Redskins, has scheduled a visit with the Cincinnati Bengals. Pro Football Talk reported that the Giants are talking with free-agent running back Jason Snelling, and that a deal is a "definite possibility" if the Giants are unable to reach an agreement with Bradshaw.
Snelling is 5-foot-11, 235 pounds. He has spent his entire four-year career with the Atlanta Falcons, averaging 4.1 yards per carry and catching 82 passes for 651 yards.
Of Snelling, 28, PFT said:
Snelling has the look of a power back but offers impressive versatility. Terrific as a pass protector and receiver out of the backfield, Snelling wound up playing more snaps than starter Michael Turner in Atlanta over the past two seasons.
Still, it seems likely the Giants would prefer Bradshaw. They don't, however, seem willing to meet his asking price.
The Giants also appear to be tiring of waiting for free-agent tight end Kevin Boss to agree to terms. The Star-Ledger reported that the Giants will meet soon with free-agent tight end Ben Patrick, who spent the first four years of his career with the Arizona Cardinals. Patrick has 45 receptions in his four-year career, and had a career-best 15 last season.
The Giants have apparently told Osi Umenyiora that they would ask teams for a No. 1 pick if they were to trade him. The folks in Seattle, where Umenyiora has reportedly expressed a preference for going, are debating whether or not he is worth that price.
Roster Notes
Center Adam Koets has been placed on the PUP list due to tendonitis in his surgically repaired knee. ... No. 1 draft pick Prince Amukamara apparently remains unsigned.
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Bengals re upped Benson...
Clayton twat to forget AB to Cincy.
If they offer a 1, I'd take it right away
No questions asked. They don’t have a QB, and they play the AFC East this season. Entirely possible that it could be a REALLY high pick.
Seattle sucks
so I would doubt they would take a #1 pick. If they do – we’re sure to pick in the top 10 next year. You couldn’t do the paperwork on that one fast enough.
How about Leon Washington and a #2? hmm, I think Leon has a big contract. ….let’s get the #1
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Bradshaw can take his high demands some place else
No point in paying a lot of money for a guy that has really bad ankles and isn’t anything special in the first place. Most other backs could’ve done what he did last year.
Snelling sounds like a good #2 back, but they can’t afford to pay him big money either.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 31, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
most backs
most backs can give you 1500 yards and 10 TD’s ?? check the stats and tell us how many did that….we know Brandon couldn’t do that.
by trinity giant on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw didn't do that either
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He means 1500 yards from scrimmage
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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you really think he meant that..lol
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12 running backs had 1500 yfs last season
Turner and mendenhall were pretty close to those numbers too.
Bradshaw didn’t have 10 TD’s so lets see how many running backs can put up 8 tds to go along with the 1500yfs.
10 out of the 14 fit 1500ish yfs and 8+ tds
13 running backs had a better ypc than bradshaw
11 running backs had more rushing yards per game than bradshaw.
26 running backs had more receiving yards per game than bradshaw.
and to show running back turnover, only 8 of the top 15 rbs in yards per game in 2010 also were in the top 15 in 2009. only 5 of the top 15 rbs in yards per game in 2010 were also in the top 15 in 2008. If you go back to 2007 you get only 3.
So, from one season to another you get about 50% turnover in top 15 rushers, 66% over two years, and three years removed you have an 80% turnover.
Why invest money in a running back when (unless they are elite talent) you’re likely never to get the same return on them as you did in their prime?
by B-rod24 on Aug 1, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GOOD, GOOD STUFF.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yup agreed.
i hope they can find someone to replace him though. like now.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
+3
if Snelling could catch the ball out of the backfield that would give us something we have not had since Tiki, RB’s are a dime a dozen. . . AB is a very good football player but he’s replaceable, no need to make the same mistake we did with BJ by overpaying for a good not great player.
I would take Seattle's #1
As much as i don’t want to loose depth on the strength of our team, Seattle could have a top 10 pick next year. Their QB’s are that bad. They are not a one dimensional pass rusher away from a playoff run. Snelling is a pretty decent player, but he’s no AB. That would make me start to get nervous. And Ben Patrick is no Kevin Boss. We need a starting caliber TE on the roster.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 31, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
Osi for Seattle's 1 would be a REALLY good deal for the giants
even if they win the super bowl, it would still be a good deal if they can pull it off.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 31, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Patrick is not even Derek Brown
I’d rather even have Vrabel at TE
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Does Snelling's lastname annoy anyone else?
Congrats, Jets, you just signed an almost 34 year old wide receiver, who hasn't played in 2 years.
GIRTH
absolutely
Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?
by colinlovestheknicks on Jul 31, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Also I really hope they can sign Amukamara ASAP
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 31, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions
This
every pick from 20-26 is stuck on the same issue, the guaranteed 4th year vs 3 years. Stupid Tampa Bay for screwing all that crap up.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 31, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Rotoworld
says Skins traded for Tim Hightower from the Cards. They can gladly have him, but that should take them out of the running for AB, and the Bengals signed Benson, so he’s not going there. Just get this done!
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 31, 2011 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
Sounds good
I hope all this is just hype and rumors and I’m sure power agent Drew has something to do with all these sudden rumors, but i really want Bradshaw back, Snelling’s just not an upgrade from Bradshaw plus I have a Bradshaw jersey (they do both wear number 44 so I’d probably just get the last name changed) but please make this happen. We need Bradshaw, Prince, Boss, and Smith in camp fast as possible
Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?
by colinlovestheknicks on Jul 31, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Disappointed that Prince hasn't signed
but not with him, it doesn’t appear to be his fault.
I like Snelling. If it comes down to it I think he’ll be a very good replacement. Really the only thing he doesn’t offer is top end speed. But he’s got good hands and appears to be ready for a bigger role in an offense.
I’d take Seattle’s one, no problem with that. And if somehow they sign Lofa Tatupu, its like getting him and a #1 for Osi. Eat that Philly .
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It took one rookie signing to create a logjam
it’s going to take another one to break it. Put on your big boy pants and realize you’ve already missed a whole offseason, missing precious camp tme is not in your best interest. Unless it’s Watkins on the Eagles. I want him to take a principled stand all the way through August.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 31, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw has no leverage at this point
Bengals signed Benson and Redskins got Hightower, so unless the magical “mystery” team shows up, he has virtually no other options other than the Giants
As for Boss…I think the Giants should take a look at Zach Miller, if not for anything else but to force his hand.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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I think everyone would love that
But I think Miller is just too far out of the price range. Otherwise, I have to believe they’ve done their due diligence on him.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 31, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
My best friend is a Giants fan
if Zach left for you guys I would probably have to kill him. I’m sure Mara and Reese don’t want that on their conscience.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Hey, hey.
Only we have a right to comment on Al.
Most of us just view him like a crazy old uncle. Some of his personnel moves (e.g. Dick Hands Bey) drive everyone into an ol’ stir, but he gets them right more often than not (Mike Mitchell in 09, Jacoby Ford last year) and he’s basically family to Raider fans.
It’s as Malcolm X said – you can’t hate the roots of a tree and not hate the tree. A true Raider fan can’t hate Al Davis or be mad with him for long, cause he is the Raiders.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Well said.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
he won't sign until the 4th
when these FA’s can start reporting.
And as much as I don’t want to lose Osi… Seattle’s first is likely to be a top 10, plus it free’s up cap space so we could put the rest of the team together. If that’s the offer, and Osi is truly steadfast about being traded, then they would be stupid not to take it.
You down wit JPP?
snelling pissed me off when we played atlanta
we just couldnt stop him, so id be fine with at least tryin him out
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
I remember that
he was beasting in that game.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 31, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he's also had
a couple 150+yrd, multiple td games (actually closer to 200 than 150)
not to mention that he is less likely to have a career ending leg injury, or give the ball away at a crucial time.
I’ll be honest, I kinda want Reese tp sign Snelling and let bradshaw go to the bungles, and reap what he and rosenhaus have sown
by Raptor22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's also had
a couple 150+yrd, multiple td games (actually closer to 200 than 150)
not to mention that he is less likely to have a career ending leg injury, or give the ball away at a crucial time.
I’ll be honest, I kinda want Reese tp sign Snelling and let bradshaw go to the bungles, and reap what he and rosenhaus have sown
by Raptor22 on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Garafolo says Snelling to visit us tomorrow
Ball is in Bradshaw’s court
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Whoops
He just fumbled it.
But in all seriousness Bradshaw needs to be back in a Giants uniform.
by ddhamaka814 on Jul 31, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
zing
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 31, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
rec’d
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I've thought all along
that somebody was going to overpay for Bradshaw. As things are unfolding though, I think I’ve changed my mind. If someone thought he was worth big bucks they would have made their move already. One by one the chairs are disappearing and AB is still on the board.
If Seattle will give a 1 for Osi, thats hard to argue with. Giants get a likely first half of the first round pick, and the city of Seattle basically corners the market on angst and discontent. Maybe Osi can start hanging out with Eddie Vedder.
Maybe we can trade Osi for Lofa tapupu?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 1, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Lofa was released.
We could sign him straight up.
I think the Browns are our best bet.
They have TWO 1st round draft picks and they need a defensive end. I could see us getting a 2nd round pick at the least. If he gets traded there, I see us picking up a 2nd and 3rd.
Moving down so Atlanta could get Julio Jones
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
That the trade where Atlanta went apeshit to get the pick?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
What exactly are the Giants doing this off season?
Bradshaw should be priority number 1. If they let this guy walk, I can’t imagine this season being very successful. Not to say that Bradshaw is the key to a successful 2011 campaign, but what kind of success can they expect when they gut the O-Line, lose their top, young running back, and continue to fail to address the line backer issue? Pretty frustrated with this off season so far, I know it’s early and that they have cap issues.. but they need to do something, and I think that starts with Bradsahw
they're not overpaying Bradshaw, that's what they're doing
sure he’s a priority, but to do something just to do something by overpaying is not how you run a franchise, that would be ridiculous.
Reese is doing the smart thing. Offer the player what he’s worth. If he goes away, have a backup plan. Bradshaw is a good, maybe even great player. But we’ve replaced a RB who was twice the player Bradshaw is with no problem at all.
Bradshaw probably needs the Giants more then we need him.
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I agree...
I’d rather go with snelling and pick up someone in the draft next year rather than overpay fumbleshaw. The Giants seem content with who they have, which tells me they are transitioning to stocking draft picks and building in a short future to take advantage of having Eli and Tuck. I can almost get on board with that if that’s what they’re doing. If they’re going that route, they’d better make sure Coughlin understands he’s going to have to start playing first and second year players. They don’t appear willing to break the bank to make a real run this year. I could be wrong, but that’s how it looks.
They can't break the bank
With this tight cap they have to spend smart. Even if they wanted to give Bradshaw a lot of money it wouldn’t be possible because they would go over the cap and screw themselves for the future as well.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 1, 2011 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming you mean 21?
How do you know he wouldn’t be as good if not better….they didn’t give him the ball in 08 and 09, to the offenses detriment. You can’t compare the two. Take a look at the guys stats. He’s a multi dimensional weapon.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Aug 1, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks to McKenzie and Snee
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I dunno what you're trying to say
but I’m saying we replaced Tiki Barber before, we can replace Ahmad Bradshaw now.
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They didn't gut the Oline
they replaced older players with younger, better players. And they have 10 frickin LBzzzzz, they don’t need anymore and there aren’t any good ones out there anyways. I really wish people would stop rehashing old complaints.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 31, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yea the OL complaints seem like people haven't been paying attention
they signed a C, moved Diehl to LG where he belongs and Beatty goes to where he belongs as well, starting at LT.
We get rid of dead weight, but they “gutted” the line? Please.
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valid point with the o-line, but whats so good about having 10 frickin LBzzzzzz if theyre all mediocre, at best?
My point is that old complaints are worth rehashing if new complaints arise before the old ones have even been resolved
mediocre
All the linebackers avaliable were mediocre so i guess i could pull a good one out of my ass for u so the giants can sign him but besides that why spend more money when we cant upgrade
by gianthawk34 on Jul 31, 2011 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
exactly, if you can’t upgrade at any other position, it should make it even more important to not downgrade at RB by letting AB walk..
not looking to start an argument, just my opinion. Would hate to see Bradshaw tear it up in another jersey without the G-Men significantly upgrading the roster at another position
All u were doin was rehashing that we need ol and lb then someone mention oline being younger and healthier and the fact that we have 10 linebackers then all u said is that they are mediocre at best whats the point of commenting if u understand? we have alot of competition at lb even if they are mediocre and and theres no upgrades at lb we are as good as we can get at those positions at this time so leave it alone
by gianthawk34 on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd more say they replaced injured players with healthy ones
They did not expect Seubert and Koets to be ready for Game 1, and O’Hara’s constantly been injured. Andrews has the chronic back problem that will never heal.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
+1
Giant fans consistently underrate Bradshaw….Go back and watch some late 07 games, before they gave the ball to Ward in 08. The dude has been a stud for a long time….Snelling is not even close to the same kind of talent.
Give it to 44.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Aug 1, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this Drew Rosenhaus?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
We better give zach Miller some money
if we don’t resign bradshaw, or at least a somewhat big trade
Congrats, Jets, you just signed an almost 34 year old wide receiver, who hasn't played in 2 years.
Marcus Lattimore for Heisman!!!!!!
Atlanta fans love Snelling, Koets, Patrick
I’m surprised they are letting him go. They drafted Jacquizz I believe, but he’s more of a Norwood replacement, who was getting on their nerves. Snelling is a more powerful back, who has performed well when given the ball.
White’s signing yesterday told us Koets was not ready.
Ben Patrick is awful. I’d rather put Dodge at TE.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
agree on Snelling
love that the Giants are interested in him. He’s basically Derrick Ward but healthy and still effective. He does it all.
Bradshaw’s my boy but replacing him with Snelling might turn out to be the best thing that happens to the Giants.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
believe me
we don’t want to let him go. looks like he’s asking for a lot of money, or wants to be a starter. He’s valuable to Atlanta, don’t see why we haven’t locked him up yet
What is Osi's cap numer?
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No way seattle give us a 1st.
I would be shocked if they offered a 1st round pick.. If they did….i’d close that deal soo quick.. Seattle probably a top 10 pick, and with the rookie wage scale……duh winning.
you'd be surprised how some teams value their picks
plus there could be a bidding war for him with a few teams.
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I'd love to get a top 10 pick from Seattle
Their fans are the most annoying on MTD. Guess their WR situation wasn’t as settled as they insisted it was.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
I've never seen a team sign or trade for so many "#1" WRs
I’d make a good bet that Sidney Rice amounts to absolutely nothing with them too.
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He'll be better than Jenkins
What was Minnesota thinking? Hagan is better.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Technically
Osi is a steal for the next two years under his current contract, so a #1 is totally reasonable. However, if Osi gets sent there without a new contract/restructure, he’s going to be just as miserable AND on a shitty team.
If we let Osi, get Zack Miller
On balance, that would help us.
Patrick sucks, why are we wasting our time?
C’mon JR, cheaper is not always better.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 31, 2011 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
Skins got Hightower
Seems like the skins just picked up hightower. Why can we not work this off season out? Can we not fill a single need with UFA’s? I really don’t want bradshaw back anyways. So please get snelling and we can work out Ware. He going to be a great back.
Getting Hightower is like them getting Parker last year
They won the bidding war with themselves. There is a reason Arizona keeps having to blow high picks on RBs.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Hightower is a utility player
yeah he catches alot of balls, but goes nowhere with them. Less than 7 YPC. And his fumbling makes Bradshaw look like he uses Stickum. Why is this a cause for concern again?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 1, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't think so...
I would love to land a 1st round pick from Seattle and I’d pull the trigger on that trade in a heart beat, but come on I just don’t see them doing this. It’s absolutely going to be at least a top 15 pick and I know the drafts a crap shoot at best, but do they really think a 29 y/o Osi is worth the potential a 1st rounder that high in the draft can bring, or more importantly do you? I don’t. I’d love for the Seahawks to do this, I just don’t think it makes much sense.
Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?
by colinlovestheknicks on Jul 31, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
Charlie Whitehurst
was worth two picks for them, based on some preseason tape. I never though Kolb would go for a starter AND a high pick. Anything is possible.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 1, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It almost seems as if Bradshaw doesn't want to be a Giant.
Because I’m sure we gave him the best offer and teams that are/were interested are signing other players at his position, and he’s still fishing for a new offer.
I think the Giants should give him the best offer they can with a deadline.
It's possible he was insulted and expecting a much higher offer
But he does not seem to be getting better offers from anywhere else. He might have to take a crap offer like T. Owens last year (who is a FA, by the way).
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
his agent is Rosenhaus
who knows that FAs don’t have to report until August 4th. He’s using his time to get Bradshaw the best offer.
If he gets a better offer, so be it. But if I was the Giants as time goes on and the potential suitors dwindles to no one else, I’d lessen the offer. F em.
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Clayton thinks Bradshaw will get done
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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He's just trying to get paid
He’s at the perfect point in his career, and his stock is hot (or at least its been talked up a lot). When you have that shot you have to take it… its unlikely that he’ll have a richer contract in his career than the one he is about to sign.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 31, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Especially for an RB in this league — your career can be over in a heartbeat.
That's why I'd rather give him more money for less time
Give us a little time to find someone else
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Bradshaw is a good player. He is not a great player and the notion that he is great is fallacy. If Bradshaw wants to get paid I’m all for it but if he wants to get paid like a feature back then I have a problem with that.
I’m glad to see Jerry Reese isn’t willing to overpay to keep one of his own. The Giants have a plan and they’re sticking to it … that plan appears to be improving the offensive line and putting together a unit that can move dlineman and open up holes for a power running game. Jacobs when healthy has proven he’ll get you a thousand yards plus and avg close to 5 yards a carry. If they do indeed sign Snelling he sounds like the perfect compliment another power back who excels in pass coverage and can catch the ball out of the backfield.
by TheBXRepresenta on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Let's not forget Da'rell
He might prove to be good. AB was a 7th pick as well (char concerns).
Ware might play out but I don’t see him being THAT good.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe Da'rell is that good or maybe he is training cam fodder
by Late for Dinner on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Too damn fast
to be training camp fodder. As the old cliche goes… you can’t teach speed and that kid has it in spades, he’ll stick for a year or two and if he hits the PS, he’ll be gone in a heartbeat.
I thought Da'Rel was gonna be gone by the 5th round at the latest.
I think he’s too talented to not make the team. He’s got size (5"11, 210) and super speed (4.34 40). We need that speed in our offense. Matter of fact, he might overtake Ware as our 3rd RB.
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by Handsome Stranger on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
On paper
The dude seems better than AB and they were both drafted in the same round. I think that AB is reaching a bit and over-valuing himself. But that is my opinion and I know other people have theirs. At this point in the game, let the rook take the snaps that would have gone to AB and see what he can do. TC has to get over the whole not playing rookies right away.
you do not want a rookie blocking for Eli
Prefer Jacobs or Ware back there
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Speed + the right side of our line = win.
give da’rel a hole and he’s gone. it’s something we didn’t have with the current tandem.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Lets focus on what we got.
All this free agency talk is taking away from the team. Where getting younger at every position just look at our draft. Many of the free agents left have some kind of baggage. I like J.R stance, not over paying like the Jets did for Plax. If Osi wants out then let him go, the Patriots would thats why they always have high draft picks. Remember the name on the helmet not in back of the jersey!!!!! GO G-MEN!!!!!!!!
by sec2nun on Jul 31, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just watched Hynoski highlights
I am gonna have to say, if even 50% of his talent translates to the NFL level…. It wont matter who our running back is gonna be…. If I was bradshaw I would ask for a 1 year contract and run behind Hynoski… then look for my big deal.
The longer Osi holds out, the more he hurts himself. Who is going to say that 41,000,000 is not enough to money to play a game. I think he is scared of all the talent behind him, he has no security.
And I gotta say one thing about our OL and LB’s. For those who were not paying attention we didnt gut the OL, we got younger… which is a good thing.. As far as the LB’s we have a ton of extremely young talent sitting there. Come game day it will be Tracy as starting strong side, Goff as Middle, and Boley at weak… with JPP and Kiwi switching from DL to LB… depending on the play call… I am not worried at all.. I love our team… In Reese I Trust.
+1
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 31, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
h$!!s yeah
just watched him on you tube, kid blocks like a bulldozer. With the youth movement on the o-line I think the pass blocking may or may not suffer but I think the power running game will be back full-force. For everyone who thinks that we didn’t get better this offseason just wait till we play the prematurely annointed iggles and Jacobs steamrolls nnamdi and ends his season, while running through doublewide trailer sized holes in the d-line.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow a fullback that can catch
I can’t believe it!
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
If any team is willing to give a first rounder for Osi
Do it. Like now.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Especially if it's Seattle or the Browns
we might end up with Andrew Luck. (kidding)
BBV- Bring Back Van Pelt
You are not far off
A pick high enough in the draft, instead of looking at who we can get (i.e. a Luck caliber player), trade away the pick for more picks and start stock piling, like NE always does. I have to say, I have always envied NE’s manuevering at draft time.
Agreed
Their manipulation and trading of draft picks is impressive. Thankfully, their eye for talent doesn’t always live up or they would literally be unbeatable.
Man you have no idea how sick I am of NE and all damn draft picks every damn year.
(OK, fine! I’m just jealous.)
Like TNYFBG said, fortunately they can’t evaluate talents at the same level the Giants can.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind getting Vontaze Burfict
That is one of the weirdest sounding names ever.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Ghost this is exactly our LB remedy..if we get a Clev or Seattle 1st
turn it into him!
Freakin’ animal he is.
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if we should be looking at Pollard to replace Grant
Big hitter, better for the quasi-LB role.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
I liked Pollard in 09
Coulda had him for a 7th round pick and maybe snuck in the playoffs that year
The guys over at Battle Red Blog
Are glad he’s gone. He’s a strong lockerroom presence but abysmal in both pass coverage and run stopping. Apparently, all he’s good at is pass rushing and absolutely crushing guys when he doesn’t blow his assignment.
Personally, a pass-rushing safety is one of my lower priorities.
jason's ok but bradshaw is better gotta get him back!! i like him & jacobs together.
an what’s up with 4-3 OLB rocky mcintosh?
by big blue born in philly on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
As with all FAs
What’s the price? for a mil a year, sure, but not much more, doesn’t have much upside. I’m not for signing guys for the hell of it, let’s see what the kids have got. I don’t know that Rocky brings anything more to the table than the Goff, Boley, SIntim triumvirate.
i cant wait to see what the kids got & i think they gonna do good.
i think they could be nice on perry’s D! perry got something up his sleeve.
by big blue born in philly on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Perry could be TC's successor
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
New York New York
Spagnuola could be TC’s successor
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 1, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Herman Johnson!!!! wow bigbaby
#Giants awarded 6-foot-7, 360-pound G Herman Johnson off waivers. According to Wikipedia, he was the largest baby ever born in Louisiana…
Baby Herman!
lookin’ sexy nowadays!
Bet he isn’t half the athlete Kevin Boothe is!
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 31, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
are you kidding
that’s awesome. I’ve been concerned about the size of our o-line but it’s starting to look a little more massive with Baas and now Johnson.
Johnson will probably not make the team
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You know
For the longest time, the Giants never brought in these plus-size players.
Now, as the NFL moves more and more towards spread offenses and nickel defenses, who do the Giants get? Ramses Barden, Baas, Johnson, Hynoski.
Looks like the goal is to get the smash-mouth running game going again.
Plax + ESPN
It’s hilarious how ESPN is talking up Plax going to the Jets and how great a move it is. I bet you if the Giants had signed him they’d be doing nothing but questioning if he’d be of any use until week 17.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
The funny this is that they're acting as if it's a big blow to the Giants
You’d think Plax was coming to save our season.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
F**k Plax!!!!!!
As they say in GoodFellas when Pesci gets shot in the head, "Thats that.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
they already were
last week when it was “down too” the Giants and Steelers… they just kept saying we would be a distraction again, TC is already on the hotseat, split the locker room, etc.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it would just create a circus
and whatever he could do wouldn’t be for atleast 8 games in.
Atleast we don’t have to hear the media bringing it up all day, everyday.
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jets were desperate
The only WR they have are Santonio and Cotchery and now Plax. That’s it. They had no choice or else resign the Diva Braylon or Moss. If we have to let go of Cruz or Hagan or Hixon because of a numbers game, the jets will scoop them up.
I agree with that
It seems there is a kind of anti-giant sentiment in the national media. What’s that about?
Can't wait
for plax to be late for practice or pull some of his other crap. We’ll see if he and the sanchize become besties cuz I don’t see plax as that kind of guy.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Well fellas
Looks like we’ve been Rosenhaus’d. Unless the giants are just trying to show Bradshaw that they have other options too its not looking so good on that front.
"Hard work pays off."
I like AB but
I’m sure Snelling will come cheaper and he’s been a great 3rd down back as well as starter when Turner has been out. He can run with power and he can catch the ball out of the backfield and he can block and most importantly, he doesn’t fumble. 1 fumble lost in 4 seasons, albeit not a starter but still, it’s not an issue.
i completely despised snelling
in the one hour we played the falcons, he ran up and down the field like crazy, id love to have him
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
can you say pound the rock
Hynoski, Jabos and Snelling. That is a 3 headed monster to be dealt with. AB has been great but the dude would light up a metal detector like a christmas tree with all them nuts and bolts. I wonder if he’ll really have any durability going forward. Sign Snelling and let them pound the opposition.
kind of jumping the gun on an undrafted unproven fullback
Sounds great on paper but let’s see before we get too excited here
Jabos?
Is that a pet name?
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 1, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I really do not understand
not drafting leshoure so we didn’t have to go through this
well in the 2nd they had to replace cofield
and you know their motto about defensive lineman lol
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
If we didn't have Austin, the DT position would be worse
and that’s a tougher position to fill
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
if you read what
they say in the article on Snelling and I have seen him in action, admit only once, he’s a sure handed tank with moves. No he isn’t a burner but we do have Scott now for that. I’m not jumping the gun I’m saying they should pull the trigger.
74 catches the last 2 seasons
I’m sure Eli would be happy
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
he probably won't make the team
Herman is gigantic, but he stinks
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Depth
I know the Eagles have already won the Super Bowl, so perhaps my point is moot, but one thing that Jerry Reese has done very shrewdly is stock pile depth. There are few positions where the Giants lack depth. In a shortened season, everyone is predicting more injuries. Jerry’s depth will serve the team well.
Shhhhhh
We haven’t stockpiled depth, we gutted our Oline and have 10 nameless mannequins at LBz who couldn’t stop an average football fan from running untouched for 50 yard TD’s. Stop with your crazy talk.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 1, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
and since iggles already won the SB Reece is getting ready for 2012
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
So this Snelling guy seems like a poor man's Brian Westbrook.
Is that assessment far off? Because if not, I think I could sign up for that.
More like Derrick Ward
Good utility guy who has a decent combo of power and moves, and can block and catch.
Seriously, Snelling???? Get it done JR.
44 is underrated…Should’ve been the starter in 08 and 09.
http://www.nfl.com/player/ahmadbradshaw/2495560/careerstats
In Reese I Trust.
Reese is playing this smart. Wait till all the suitors are gone and the market for AB dries up. That sign him for cheap (relatively).
Than bring in Miller if Boss doesn’t come back. (Upgrade but probably much more expensive). Bring back SS as well.
Trade Osi for a 1st from Seattle in a heartbeat. Only thing is we need to bring in some more lineman if we do. We have Tuck, Kiwi, JPP, Canty, Austin, Joseph. We need 2 more guys who can take some snaps (One inside, one outside), but that shouldn’t be too hard to find.
Replacing Sage with Carr and saving money is a solid move. Bringing in the new punter was an awesome move as well. I have high hopes for Hynoski, and I really think our linebackers will be fine.
With the offensive line, I think we should sign a backup T in case of injury. No one great, but a solid vet. Other than Beatty and Mack, we only have Diehl and I guess Boothe who can play T. If one or two of em go down, were in trouble. Were solid inside though between Bass, Snee, Deihl, Koets, Petrus, Boothe, White. Is it smart to carry 10 OL?
Other than that, if we don’t bring back Grant (doubtful), sign a depth guy for the secondary. We already have TT, Webster, Ross, KP, Rolle, and Sash so were pretty stacked regardless.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
True
But would you trust him out there during a game?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
why not?
the Rams had a first team rookie in Saffold that played at the same school and scouts said Brewer was pretty much a clone of his, just has to get used to not being a RT.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Osi, Eagles, and FA
If the Giants traded Osi to Seattle for a first-round pick, I would think it would be a potential top-ten. Seattle was 7-9 last year and has no QB. So with that pick the Giants could get LB Vontaze Burfict and with their own first-round pick could get C Mike Brewster or the BPA tackle.
Giants need to sign AB and SS12; if possible, get Z. Miller.
As for the Eagles, they have improved, but like Washington (D. Sanders, B. Smith, Haynesworth), are trying to buy a championship with big-name free agents, and as others pointed out, have a new DC who was an O-line coach and has never been a position coach on the defense.
Head-to-head, the Giants are competitive with the Eagles:
QB: even (maybe slight edge to Eagles for Vick’s running ability)
WR: even
RB: even (if the Giants resign Bradshaw)
OL: Giants (even with O’Hara and Seubert gone)
DL: Giants
LB: even
CB: Eagles
S: Giants
Special teams: Eagles
The Giants are better on both sides of the lines and should be improved on special teams.
As for our free agents next season:
C. Webster: let walk
T. Thomas: sign
A. Ross: let walk
M. Ham: resign
Noteworthy free agents in 2012 (other than QB and WR):
Adrian Peterson
Matt Forte
Jon Beason
Leon Hall
Marcedes Lewis
Haloti Ngata
I don't think we should confuse a sticker price with a real price
i think when the Giants say ‘first round’ they probably mean end of the first round beginning of the second. I cannot imagine that anyone with a potential top 10 pick would even consider an end of career guy like Osi. Cleveland and/or Seattle would insist that their second round is almost a first round. And the first round noise is probably mostly to tell Osi that he will not be traded, and that if he thinks that the world thinks that he is as good as he thinks he is, hey, go find them for me.
In 2009 when he was making those wide wide looping rushes he was absolutely convinced that he was not a part of the problem. His self-image seems a wee bit distorted to me. He is going to be a hard one to negotiate with.
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 1, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice assessment but
the Eagles won both games last year, last 6 games and have improved their team more than we have, at least on paper.
We have to improve our coaching (right now HC=Eagles and ST, we have no coaching, only a piece of wood) and our team play.
In short, how you play is more important than anything and last few years, they kicked our butts.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 1, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
2011's Michael Turner?
I don’t think that Jason Snelling should be backing up anyone. He could turn out like Michael Turner did when he finally got a chance to be a starter. Anyone know if he is good at picking up the blitz? Because my biggest complaint about AB has been that we needed always to put Jacobs in on down the field passing downs
Rookie Salary Cap
Does anyone know how the new rookie salary cap works? Because the last few years getting a high first round pick meant paying huge money for an unknown quantity; to the point where some teams (Patriots) preferred multiple lower round picks to one high first-rounder. With the new rookie salary cap, that may no longer be the case. Maybe having a high first-rounder won’t break the bank anymore. Thoughts, anyone?
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