New York Giants Notes: Ahmad Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs On Center Stage
by Ed Valentine on Jul 28, 2011 7:59 AM EDT
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PrintGood morning, New York Giants fans! Are you ready for another wild day as we rocket toward the beginning of NFL training camps? Let's get started with an early-morning notebook.
It looks like the market has clarified for New York Giants free-agent running back Ahmad Bradshaw. Jay Glazer of FOX Sports broke the news this morning that the New Orleans Saints have traded Reggie Bush to the Miami Dolphins, meaning that unless a mystery team jumps into the hunt for Bradshaw the only remaining question is how much it will cost the Giants to keep him.
With no real leverage, at least in the form of another bidder, best guess is there is no way Bradshaw gets the $21 million guaranteed that DeAngelo Williams got to stay with the Carolina Panthers.
The Giants are working to re-structure the contract of their other big-name running back, Brandon Jacobs. He was set to earn a base salary of $4.65 million this season.
Teams can officially release players at 4:01 p.m. ET today, and there is lots of Twitter speculation that Jacobs could be let go if he and the Giants can't agree on a re-structured deal.
Speaking of players to get released, we know Shaun O'Hara, Rich Seubert, Shawn Andrews and Rocky Bernard will be set free by the Giants. Good friend Pat Traina is speculating that there could be one more player added to the list, though as of Wednesday night she had not confirmed it. I am almost certain I know who it is, but this one is Pat's news so I am not even going to put a name out there. Just watch for someone else to be added to the list at some point today.
The Washington Redskins have traded perennially disgruntled defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth to the New England Patriots. Should be entertaining to watch Bill Belichick try to get something out of Haynesworth.
Speaking of the Redskins, they dealt Donovan McNabb to the Minnesota Vikings in what was a whirlwind day for them.
-- Check the Big Blue View archives if you missed any Giants news during the past couple of days. For free agency news around the league, check SB Nation's Free Agency Hub.
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I REALLY hope they don't overpay for Bradshaw
more than 2.5-3 million / year will be a mistake IMO.
I think it will be time to soon refresh the RB corps anyway.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions
After Williams got 5/$43
there’s no way Bradshaw’s gonna be that cheap. It’ll be somewhere in between Jake’s 4.65 and Whatever Williams’ annual is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
How much fresher
Can you get from a 25 y.o. RB in his prime?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Jul 28, 2011 8:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I bet from a medical stand point
his ankles are worse than a 40 year old.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why we keep Jacobs
and have more of a 60/40 split between the two. THat’s crucial.
it doesnt get fresher than bradshaw
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
but for the record im with you he shouldnt be overpaid...
but hes def getting more than 3 mil a year
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
he's young but with the violent cuts he makes and annual ankle probs...
he does tend to fade at the end of season also..4mil
cut hedge in fact banish him from the NFL.Cut Hixon.
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
When the cap is so low
You just can’t spend so much money on a injury prone RB; and even worse give him a long deal.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree man
but the options are getting scarce… who are we gonna sign instead? right now looks like all thats left is sprols or ronnie brown…
unless of course we cut jacobs than we go out and get a power guy like Mcgahee
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately you're right
I think that we’ll be fine with Jacobs/the rookie/a bunch of other UDFA’s but Reese can’t take that risk.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
nope, at this point
we need bradshaw
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
who is going to block for Eli
Yea your fine with a rookie back there. I am not, and think that this is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen you post. And you are out there on some things Mclaren. This isn’t meant to offend you either, I just think a rookie RB blocking for our 100 million dollar man is asinine.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Jacobs could block
Let’s not act like Bradshaw was some great 3rd down back.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw is one of the best blocking backs in the league.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
cap is lower
but rookies are not getting paid like all-pro’s anymore. So it kinda levels itself out.
You down wit JPP?
Same page
Would rather not pay any RBs that kind of money but if that is what the market sets as a price…..
Renegotiate Jacobs down – he never should have been that high – and try to get AB at substantially less than DW.
Count me as someone who thinks that with a few exceptions ( Adrian Petersen) NFL RBs are replace- able. Denver does it. Green Bay does it.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
Denver has done it poorly
Their RB situation has been a mess. I think you mean old Shanahan-era Denver?
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
The length
of the deal isn’t as relevant in the NFL, it is the guaranteed money that is.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting tweet from Peter King re: Bradshaw/Bush:
“The Dolphins are making a mistake. Should go get Ahmad Bradshaw”
probably means they made the correct decision
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Kind of funny though...
how after all the fuss when the Texans didn’t draft Bush that the first time he gets to test free agency the guy he is being compared to was a 7th rounder…once again the “science” of the draft is exposed…
good point
Mario Williams > Reggie Bush
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you meant
Ahmad Bradshaw > Reggie Bush.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 28, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I said yesterday
about 35 mill., with 13 mill. guaranteed, Jake better restructure his deal as well.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
next player out the door...
…is Hedgecock.
significant injury history, Bear, and Hynoski.
by Raptor22 on Jul 28, 2011 8:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If not, I would be amazed.
When are they releasing Reynaud? Should have been last season. Maybe he takes TQu__n with him.
I can dream, can’t I?
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 28, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they resigned Reynaud for another year
doesn’t mean he’ll make the team tho
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If they find cap space
would love to see Brad Smith returning kicks this season.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
that sounds good
To go w/ Hynoski and Bear to fight for #1, other backing up.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jul 28, 2011 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
doesnt sound like a bad guess
i would cut him definitely… we need a guy that can catch at FB and madison clearly cannot… thanks for the memories though he paved the way many times for BJ
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I will always remember
Hedgecock’s TD reception in ’08…. and the dance that followed :D
I don't think Big Boy gets cut
Should be interesting though to see what happens with his contact tho. He and ahmad claim to be boys, is he willing to take a pay cut so his boy could keep eating at the same table as him?
On the flip side now that AB’s leverage is gone, what number does the giants offer him? Will they lowball him or still break the bank to keep him in the fold? Only time will tell.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Jul 28, 2011 8:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am going to be angry if the Giants were to cut Jacobs
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
AB's contract
Positive incentives – for no fumbles, 1 fumble, etc. Games played or carries. Yards gained, etc.
Make him work for it (he would anyway but why not make sure we get value for value?
As for BJ, I think he will accept what is reasonable. More a team player. Give him incentives for carries too but that is really in the hand of Gilbride. Scary.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 28, 2011 8:17 AM EDT reply actions
well said...
get more out of the players that way.
well
I wouldn’t say its time to refresh the rbs just yet. I do believe the Giants have the edge now with Bradshaw and I also believe they won’t overpay him. As far as Jacobs goes I believe he will agree to a deal. I also expect Osi to be released today I thinking folks are tired of his crying ways. He needs to understand its not all about him its about the team and while I do think hes a great DE I just don’t see them having to deal with his prima Donna attitude. Even Strahan called him out on twitter just like tuck did but it was a nice call out. In which the basically said he needs to report to camp
by g-men_fan on Jul 28, 2011 8:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
they should keep Osi
He kept us in games last year all season with his 11 (right?) FF. As for his crying/whining? I think too much is made of it and he should get a pass for what he recently said in lock-out. Yes, he’s got to clear the air with Reese but I think they should do so and sign him. Even if it means losing Kiwi..
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jul 28, 2011 8:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No he didn't
he got all his sacks in the games that we dominated.
Where was he against the Colts/Titans/Packers? Getting blocked 1v1 by some second rate LT
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
this is also b/c when you have the lead,he can just rush and not worry about the run
and this year we will turn it over less and have more leads
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
im with u
get osi the hell out of here and sign kiwanuka
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Kiwi is not the answer
We’ve been down that road before, he had his shot and did nothing with it.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Jul 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he was awesome
before the injury last year…. he eld the team in sacks for like the first 4 weeks or so
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
the defense was the best its ever been that one year in 2008
the problem was Kiwi was on his own. If he had a backup he’d probably be fine.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yea, I'm pretty unimpressed with Kiwi.
The best hope would be he’s the 3rd DE with JPP stepping up. I have more faith in that than Kiwi being able to stand up to the run and play every down.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
IF Osi is gone I mean
I’d prefer to keep Osi
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
where was everyone else vs. those teams?
Get rid of em all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
especially eli
cut him and sign vince young for sure
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
some were good in bad games
But that is an excellent rebuttal to that argument
So +10
by trueblue63 on Jul 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Osi had 0 sacks in November and only had some success against the LOLskins.
If everyone else disappeared as much as him, we’d finish 6-10
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
the guy didn't disappear for that long
no sacks, but he was good for plenty of those games especially the Eagles game. Cherry picking one month, or one stat, doesn’t help anything.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jul 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
3.5 sacks after the bye
It’s not 1 month, he wasn’t as great as some people think he was.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
again, cherry picking one stat helps no one.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jul 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
sigh
One stat? What other stats are there for DE’s? Isn’t that what Umenyiora is known for? Getting to the QB??
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
plenty of other stats for football players
He was all over the field for plenty of those games. Kind of funny since everyone always says he’s all about sacks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jul 28, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If he was why hasn't anyone noticed it?
And why don’t you list some of these other stats?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
He's vital to our DE rotation
kind of an ego-maniac..but 10 FF don’t lie..again i think the way to interpret this having stats only in certain games is that it is more likely that sacks come in games where we have the lead..in blowouts its much harder..the sacks help put a game out of reach..its the offenses part to get that lead to begin with
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
but it seems a lot of people don’t notice things these days…..
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jul 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you haven't noticed that he's getting overrated
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
overrated if you think he's top 5..sure
but I don’t think that. He is very good and we do need him here, for lack of other options.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Release Osi?
You don’t release premier edge rushers who are under contract for 8 million over the next 2 years
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
1. C'mon, Spill.. 2. What Happens Next?..
3., Related to 1. & 2., What’s the updated cap situation?
Assume they keep Bradshaw and Jacobs at $4.5m each (is that realistic?), - IINM the Gmen were ~$6M over the cap and with the latest cuts up to and including R. Bernard, they got under by I think maybe $2M($4M?). Then they signed D. Baas ($?), are looking at Bradshaw and Plax, and have to sign draft picks. So how do they get there? Several more cuts, some of significant salaries/players? Or am I missing something?
Thx..
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jul 28, 2011 8:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
the cross-out above is unintentional-
Don’t know how it happened typing on bberry..
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jul 28, 2011 8:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You ain't missin' nothin Dead,your on point.
I think we need an official salary list on here to refer to.Definitely cut Hixon
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hix should go regardless
just for making a million more than the other potential 5th WR
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If Plax signs
Then Smith is hurt more than we know.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
ding ding ding
1/2 the folks here expect SS12 to start season on PUP. Doesn’t mean he won’t come back just that it may take a while.
by trueblue63 on Jul 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More hurt than we know?
I think we all know his surgery was pretty damn serious and he JUST started jogging. Essentially he is out of shape and hasn’t yet fully recovered from one of the most intensive knee surgies in sports.
DO NOT CUT JACOBS...i never write in all caps..but this deserves it.
Osi is never getting released..if anything we rip off whoever doesn’t get Ray Edwards for a 2nd rd’r and then some
Smashmout
i agree with jacobs
i would not be happy if we cut him
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
What Jacobs brings to the Giants...
When he’s NOT trying to be Barry Sanders. He just needs to lower his head and wear down defenses…when he tiptoes, he’s useless. Ok, not useless…but you get the idea.
by LightningCoach on Jul 28, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he did a lot less top toe action last year
and averaged a solid 5.6 or something like that…. so you sir, are correct
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever they potentially pay AB...
if contracts can be laden with performance bonuses….why not negative types? i.e – - If you fumble, you forfeit $100,000.
I kid……..I think.
by LightningCoach on Jul 28, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions
do this w/ Eli's INT and silly fumbles he does when no one hit him..Goofball!
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
What happens....
when the WR tips the ball that was perfectly thrown and it ends up in the DB’s hands? Does the WR have to pay Eli’s fine then? The WRs would have spent a lot of money last year then.
haha
there should be a “swear jar” for all fumbles, INTs, tipped balls, miss tackles, etc
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
As to RB depth
I know we have Ware and Da’Rell Scott, does anyone know if we still have Charles Scott?
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
I, personally..
Really want to see what Ware can do!
by LightningCoach on Jul 28, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure they still have Charles Scott.
That definitely makes Hedgecock expendable.
Was Tiki released yet?
If not he will obviously be part of that group. Hixon should be cut along with Reynaud. If we are looking at upgrading our OG position Diehl could be let go but I doubt it.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
by Giants56 on Jul 28, 2011 8:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Diehl could go too..atleast take a cut
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
would not be shocked to see him cut
If they like Boothe at G, and he played very well there last season, he’s expendable
by trueblue63 on Jul 28, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diehl's contract
pays him X as a LT and Y as a guard – that’s my understanding
would like to know what he will make
but he can play everything but center so a bit of versatility is worthwhile
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
No we can't cut the whole team
Diehl isn’t a great player but he can do the job
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Get rid
of the entire OL, that works huh? Phone Boothe is not a starter, spent 4 years in Oakland before he arrived here.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew he was in an accident
Pre-combine is this another one? If so that’s a bad trend.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
who cares he can't beat out Scott or DWare
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he won't beat them out.
But you could pencil him in as 2nd FB if you want to devote Bear strictly to TE.
Why so sure
dude was at least as good as ware in college and better than scott.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus
if we were to lose jacobs we would be losing a power back. Which is a role neither ware nor scott can fill.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a knock on him.
Moreso that I have higher hopes for the other two. Like you said below, he’s odds of sticking are much better if Jacobs leaves, I agree.
Agree
I was just thinking in terms of worst case scenario.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Next in line
It has all been said – Hixon, Reynaud, Hedgecock
JR has a plan. O’Hara gets cut and he has Baas lined up.
Boley gets cut and he signs a UFA LB. What does Boley make anyway?
Ahhhh, a younger NYG team. Good stuff. Make TC earn his renewed contract dollars
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
nah Mclaren we ain't cuttin Boley
although he could take a slight pay cut imho
but people are too down on him
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He isn't making too much money
25m / 5years was his deal I believe
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad - no he has not
But cutting Boley is not inconceivable IF JR has a UFA LB lined up.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
this dude up here is causing chaos!
spreading rumors that boley is gettin cut
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
he's suggesting it..its not happening
Boley could use a 2mil pay cut,tho
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait wasn’t Haynesworths pouting about having to play in a 3-4 defense ? … So they trade him to the Pats ? Who are the ultimate anti-ego team ? Hahahahaa
by TheBXRepresenta on Jul 28, 2011 8:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Inb4lolskins
but seriously, this is a steal for the Patriots. They are the only team that can weather having a diva in the locker room and would kick him to the curb the moment he starts complaining about the gatorade.
IMO, i believe he has no choice but to be motivated to play, whether its at the NT or a DE, since no team would believe he can be motivated if he can’t do it in NE.
I woulda took him for a 1 year deal
but wouldn’t pay more than a 6th rd’r
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Belichick has a history of taking other teams’ talented malcontents and getting them to produce. On the other hand, the Skins got someone to give them something for a player that is worth nothing to them and can finally move on. Should be good for both teams.
Mickey C
Low risk
High reward, 5th RD. pick and the Deadskins are paying his bonus too, LOL!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
IT seemed like Shanahan was determined to piss him off
All those fitness tests, snarky comments etc. This seems to be something of an MO for Shanny nowadays (see McNabb, Donovan, and his last couple of seasons with the Broncos). Seems like instead of pissing off you’re highest paid player and your starting QB you could talk tot hem behind closed doors and try to work with them. Not coddle, but at least take a shot at motivating them first. I love that the Skins are in the East. At least there’s two gimmies a year.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
Physical pending...
here we go again.
by LightningCoach on Jul 28, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
RB Andre Brown cut
reunite him with the Giants?
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 28, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
i always liked the kid
he had a terible injury so who knows what he can still do… but i definitely thought when we drafted him that he was gonna one day see the field
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
WWWAAAAYYYYY too much...
For a backup when you have a guy like Eli who never (knock on wood) misses games.
by LightningCoach on Jul 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of players to get released, we know Shaun O’Hara, Rich Seubert, Shawn Andrews and Rocky Bernard will be set free by the Giants.
That’s 1251 lbs. of men. Not only will they save on the cap, but their air fuel costs will dip drastically.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
That's why our FO is so great
saving money errrywhere
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 28, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
not if Baas has any say in this
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Not to mention the weight loss in back and knee braces
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
by ct17 on Jul 28, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many days of earth did we lose?
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
well idk about you
but im just itchin for some action… im sure the rest of u are too… this is like the calm before the storm, CUBICLE STYLE
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
We're fitting two months of preseason talk into two weeks
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
With sugar on top
Can we PLEASE stop this madness? Let me get this straight, the Giants are going to cut Jacobs because his salary is too high, so they can sign Bradshaw for a higher salary than they were paying Jacobs? What planet are we on? Unless they want to really go into the season with Bradshaw / Ware, then they’ll need to pick up a FA running back to go with him. The best FA RB available will be… wait for it… hey its the guy we just cut! If other teams start to follow the Williams deal precedent, its quite possible that BJ could get a pay INCREASE if the Giants cut him.
Great post
JR seems to have his head on straight, but some of this league wide action is pretty crazy.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
I'm just glad somebody read it
This is starting to drive me nuts. I get that some people have had it with Jacobs, but this “cutting him because he won’t restructure” is silly. Williams just got a contract TWICE the size of BJs.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Adam Schefter just tweeted that the jets
are 10 million UNDER the cap…. might as well just call it a wrap… Nnambi is goin to NY
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:02 AM EDT reply actions
How are they 10m under the cap
And we can barely sign our own guys?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
They have no pass rushers
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Jul 28, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe we can trade Osi to them for picks and a foot massage
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
1st rd pick to the GMen
foot massage for me!
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
sage def needs to be cut
pretty sure bulluck is a FA
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Backup QBs cost more than other backup positions
Players at the most important position on the team get paid. Bulluck is a UFA.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
we had david carr at 1 mil
i think that is a much betetr deal than sage at 3
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And Carr got 2 years $6 million to leave
You can sometimes do well at the leftovers pile. But if a good backup is important, you will pay him. Hasselbeck’s going to get paid by Tennessee.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Don't we still also have, or have rights to, Sorgi too?
And would be cheaper? Guy looks asleep standing up but somehow also looked like he’d be a good enough back-up in the extremely limited reps he got before getting injured last summer.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's "Unwanted Free Agent"
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
You need a dominate line to
keep those holes open for the big guy and with all of our changes that might be difficult.
I was really looking forward to R. Brown. I’d also like to see Frank Gore if he’s available.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Anyone know where to get projected 2011 salaries?
The USA Today page is only listing 2009-2010 salaries.
It’s silly to try to play armchair GM, but I’ve got work that I need to blow off and there isn’t enough new information or player movement yet.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Go on Jimmy's site
Blogging the Beast
he has all the salaries for the NFC East teams from roto wire on it
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I think both of those guys
would be really expensive. And both come with a lot of mileage already on them.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
Jason Babin to the Iggles
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Could suck for us
Could just be meh. Free agent DEs don’t usually succeed; however, Washburn is a damn good coach
2nd go-around for him there
Didn’t do much with them in 2009.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Jul 28, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
1 year wonder at the age of 31?
blah
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
forget Bradshaw
Since everyone seems to want Osi traded, how about Osi for Frank Gore + pick?
wouldn't gore be expensive
plus, when was the last time he played a full season?
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
that.... and he's the center of their offense.
he’s really the ONLY thing they have. They cant trade him.
well we just took
the center of his old offense haha
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
if he were really the center of there offense
then I’d think they’d wanna lock him up, instead of forcing him to hold out
hey, i dont pretend to understand the motives of the 49ers....
all i know is that he touched the ball on something like 60% of thier plays last season. They just resigned Alex Smith, so crabtree/morgan arent gonna do too much. Who else do they really ahve their?
Its pretty much Gore and the TE whose name escaped me right now.
ah yes, thanks
i’d gladly take him in a trade! that wont happen.
Gore is comin' off of hip injury and is always injured and expensive
and SF runs a 34
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Now maybe
if there were any way (there’s not) to get V. Davis for Osi I might be all for that.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
but if Osi holds out and we trade him
JR will get a 2nd and a young, cheap, good RB
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Gore is not young and won't be cheap, remmeber he's holding out too
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Don't forget
the time element, 4 months into one month, have to get a deal done with AB.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, forget Gore.
Had some good years but old, injured, fragile and slow now I fear.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jul 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats a good get for the Eagles
Their front 4 will be better this year just with the Washburn as the DL coach.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
John Clayton just tweeted
he is hearing that Bradshaw wants more than the Giants are offering
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions
Mike Garafolo just confirmed it too
Looks like the Giants arnt giving Bradshaw a good enough offer at this point
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
great
He can go elsewhere with his big salary
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 28, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
after Bush going to the phins
AB wont have too many legs to stand on at the negotiating table
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
why is it on the Giants?
and not on AB and Gepetto? I mean Drew R.
you actually think JR, the guy who over pays just about everyone is not making a good enough offer here, or do you think someone just may be a bit too greedy?
that same someone that is turning off teams left and right….in favor of Reggie Bush!?!?!?
c’mon Blood
TeamJPP
you are probably right
im just relaying what these sports writers are reporting… and the report is Bradshaw wont sign until the Giants pay more money… but I think Bradshaw will have no choice but to take what the Giants are offering at this point because the market is shrinking by the minute
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 28, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
my fear is that it's going to get to a point...
where JR and the Giants just throw their arms up and say fug it….
kinda like what just happened w/ Miami!
I don’t think that will happen, but this guy Drew does not have his clients best interest at heart…..he’s wants HIS pay day.
TeamJPP
Shocking. I Tell You Shocking!
Drew sucks, blood sucker. That is why the players hire him. A leech that won’t let go.
They have to body slam this guy.
Only problem is, we have to get one of the two RBs to cave. The other will get crumbs.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 28, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
A little different
they also are trying to get a deal done with Orton too, only left X amount of dollars
for a RB…Bush only got a two year deal, for far less money than AB will get.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
does anyone know what Bush got..and what the last offer for AB was?
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
There you have it
I rest my case, I didn’t know the dollars when I made comment above^.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
AB's gotta be 6-7 mil
buggin’
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't wait 2 6pm
Then the we will all knw who the nxt cut man will be.
The greatest player ever!!!
by terellchewy on Jul 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
With the exception
of last year that’s remarkably underwhelming.
by wednesdays_spear on Jul 28, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Should have went after Bush
Bradshaw is asking for too much, and he’s honestly not worth it, I mean he acts as if he had the season the kid down in Houston had. He fumbled a lot and struggled down the stretch that had to count against him.
Oh, and the guy has hands of stone when it comes to catching from the backfield. If the giants had acquired Bush, we finally would’ve had a back who could catch not seen since Tiki and someone perfect to spell for Jacobs
but Reggie Bush is not good at football
he’s not worth anything
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Someone mentioned way upthread that since we have yet to cut Tiki..
we could potentially hold onto him. Jake + Tik at a (much) lower salary than AB? Could be good of Tiks can play at all close to what he was, with say half the reps or less.
(Maybe this ended up being discussed more upthread but I don’t think so?)
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jul 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we don't have to cut Tiki, he's already not on the team
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Reggie 3yds a carry and 8 games a season?
that seems to think he’s somebody in this league?
he’s a knee inj waitin’ to happen!
Smashmout
Reggie Bush is less than 1/2 AB
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Jul 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Stop with the delusion
Bush is not better than AB.
He had the best(one of the best) offensive minds working for him and he did not excel.
AB does all that is asked and does it well.
Would we like more, sure, but who doesn’t
Jacobs has a strong hand to refuse to renegotiate because...
… if he hits the market his new signing bonus will undoubtedly well surpass his current salary and he will put more money in his pocket this year by leaving than he would by staying. We would have paid a premium letting him go today for his two years on that four year contract.
OK..I'm gonna look at the new one..
Oh getting to know UDFA OT King who shouldn’t make it out of camp?!
Smashmout
Is that
Stephen King?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Jul 28, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we are missing something here
the debate for the RB is justifyiable, but we can have the best running back in the world (except Barry Sanders) and if the offensive line does not block it will not matter who is in the back, remember we are going to have new faces in the O line and we don’t know how they will perform yet.
seems like it'll just be one new face and that's David Baas
Diehl will be the LG and Beatty probably the LT. Sure, Baas is completely new but considering he’s playing next to Diehl and Snee who’ve been here forever, I doubt it’ll take him long to get acquainted.
Plus he’s gigantic, so as soon as he snaps the ball he just has to stand there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
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