For The Giants, Who Will Protect Eli Manning?
by Ed Valentine on Jul 27, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
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PrintTwitter can be a very useful place to get lots of information in a short amount of time. It can also be entertaining, like it was Tuesday evening when ESPN NFC East blogger Dan Graziano tweeted his reaction to the news that the New York Giants would be releasing starting center Shaun O'Hara, starting guard Rich Seubert and sometimes starting tackle/guard Shawn Andrews.
Graziano wrote:
I know Giants fans say I'm nuts and Reese knows what he's doing, but... he knows they need five offensive linemen, right?
Well, yes, Reese knows the rules. And yes, the Giants do currently have enough offensive linemen on the roster to put five guys in front of quarterback Eli Manning. And hey, reports are that they will re-sign veteran backup Kevin Boothe. Right now the starting offensive line would look something like this:
LT -- David Diehl or Will Beatty; LG -- Diehl or Mitch Petrus; C -- Adam Koets or ... well, your guess is as good as mine; RG -- Chris Snee; RT -- Kareem McKenzie
Hard to imagine that Reese and his staff are not working diligently to try and supplement that group, especially at the center position. Tough to envision the Giants entrusting the center spot to Koets, a five-year veteran with all of six starts under his belt. There can, however, be little doubt that the time had come for changes to a group of proud, veteran offensive linemen. Reality is we knew a season ago that the unit was on borrowed time.
Unfortunately, the market for veteran centers appears to be thin. It is possible, though seemingly not likely, that the Giants could bring O'Hara back on a lesser contract. More likely, though, the Giants will have to wade through a not-so-great market to find somebody.
Pro Football Talk just came out Tuesday with its list of the top 80 free agents. There is not one center on the list. Walter Football has a full list of available centers, and the name that leaps off the page is Arizona's Lyle Sendlein, a 27-year-old four-year veteran who has started every game the past three seasons for the Cardinals. Pro Football Focus does not see Sendlein as anything special, having graded him only +0.7 in 2010 and -0.5 in 2009.
Another option could be Scott Mruczkowski of the San Diego Chargers, who we discussed a couple of weeks ago.
Mruczkowski is a six-year veteran who can play center and guard, and who played well in 13 starts at center during the 2009 season, earning a +13.6 grade from PFF. If he is looking for a chance to start the Giants are, obviously, a good fit.
There are several free agent guard on Pro Football Talk's list of its top 80 free agents. Among the best could be Harvey Dahl of Atlanta (+14.4 by PFF in 2010) and Justin Blalock, also of Atlanta, who was +9.4 a season ago.
No matter what the Giants do, though, the line is going to have a vastly different look than the one the Giants have started the last several seasons with.
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I'm sure they'll sign an under the radar guy or C
either to start or back up Koets. Also I’m pretty sure the guys on the roster can play the position, the Giants always teach every lineman how to snap.
Also looking back at how they acquired O;Hara and Seubert initially, I’m not worried at all about the OL. Seubert was an UDFA and O’Hara was off the scrap heap as a FA. They had to be new to the job at some point too.
I’d actually be more concerned with the OL if they kept O’Hara and Seubert and expected them to play.
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All great points.
I especially like your last sentence. I am now optimistic about the line and would not have been if we were sticking yet again with the old guys.
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
aaaaaaaaaaaand they sign David Baas
so they did just that.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
well said!
Players age. Younger and healthier is often better. I often say at the NFL level a healthy backup is better than an injured starter.
Beatty-Diehl-Free Agent-Snee-McKenzie
Beatty starts , Diehl moves to G , Petrus backs up either G spot, and Snee continues to make whoever lines up next to him look great!
Seubert was a warrior but he’s old , he’s had some horrific injuries and his play was sub par at G.
Ohara wasn’t going to be healthy and he was terrible last year both before and after the injury.
The ‘Boys and ’Skins both play the 3-4 and the G-Men need physical interior lineman who can move the NT off the ball and open lanes in the run game, something they haven’t been able to do in years.
by TheBXRepresenta on Jul 27, 2011 9:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Reese may be trying to force Tom Coughlin
to seriously consider William Beatty, Kevin Boothe, Koets, and probably Petrus as well. But I see us bringing in someone who can potential win the job at Center.
You may be right
Coughlin doesn’t like change. He fights it. What does that mean for his underwear?
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 27, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is, i think he is a lil upset with some of his draft picks
not getting a fair shot.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Im pretty happy with them options. Like free said "I'm sure they'll sign an under the radar guy or C"
You can also add A Bradshaw to the list of "Who Will Protect Eli Manning? " Since hes so good dam good at ti!
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i'm not worried about the OL
i think there is more young talent there than what a lot of people think. they can’t sit on the bench forever, they’ve got to get some playing time. at this point I also think Seubert would be able to come back if he’s healthy, i’m not sure about O’Hara
why unlikely to bring em back at lesser contracts?
if they’re healthy…couldn’t this just be cap positioning?
forgive me if i missed another post about it…
by brodeur hearts avery on Jul 27, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
Most places say that is what they are doing
Seems like BBV isn’t on this train? If either one of these guys is healthy my guess is they will be back. I’m not going to worry about the o-line until the dust settles in a couple of weeks.
I think...
…they’ll grab the C/G from SD and maybe one of the G’s from Atlanta.
the guy from SD fits the mold of a Giants lineman, and he should ne fairly cheap.
I’m still wondering if they’ll grab a FA linebacker.
oh, Graziano is getting more rediculous every day. for months he’s insisted that Reese doesn’t know what he’s doing and is ignoring the line and LB’s… JR brings in about 10 LB’s Octer the last 3 years, and makes some big moves on the line… and he still doesn’t know what he’s doing.
by Raptor22 on Jul 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why is Diehl's name even considered
for LT, those days are over, that will definitley be Beatty or a healthy Andrews.
Diehl on the inside at LG
Slide Snee in at Center
Petrus to RG or a healthy Andrews
K Mac at RT
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Diehl is considered for LT cuz I doubt any of us really believe Coughlin doesn't see him as the LT
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and that is sad but i think Reese has had enough of this nonsense
Last year coughlin said it was Beatty against Seubert, look at that, that is basically admitting that Diehl cannont beat Beatty in direct competition, it has to be skewed so that Beatty didnt really have a fair shot. Those days are over, i just hope he doesnt force Diehl back to LT, because Eli will get hurt badly.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
no doubt it is sad
but you just can’t act like Diehl isn’t a candidate for the spot. I mean however dumb it is, and its very dumb, he is a candidate.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Andrews got cut
So, Diehl has to be considered since he is one of the two LTs the Giants have.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 27, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Diehl at LT
I see all the speed rushers peeing their respective pants with joy.
Speed rusher vs the turtle.
I am going to cover my eyes. And Eli better get more health insurance.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jul 27, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha
I didnt know he was cut so you are correct.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Oh ok i didnt know that
well my original options stand…..Petrus gets his shot this year…..TC said “he will be a player in this league”….in grumpy language that means this kid is going to be good.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Please dont kill me for the slide Snee to center thing
Its not as foreign as you think, i think he would be an awesome center, he is not tall and he is the strongest person on the team. I think our running game gets a boost from him being in the middle not to mention i cant envision the pocket being moved with middle pressure if he was there.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
you don't move all pro players from their position.
sure he can do it, in Madden his ratings actually go up when he’s moved to center so by that logic I’m sure it’ll work. But he’s an all pro caliber player at RG. Leave him where he is or else there’s a hole at RG.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You dont move all pro players from thei positions, sure
but Centers and Guards have been interchanged for years, it is really not a freak change, any good guard can play center and Snee is a great guard.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
they're interchangable when the must make a change
the guy we just signed is a clue there. Baas was a very good G but playing C he was just OK (tho playing for the Niners waste of life offense, that doesnt’ say anything).
You don’t move players when you don’t have to. Snee is a great guard. Keep him there.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's crazy.
It may be an option worth considering. If he was moved to Center, he may become a pro bowler there, too. He’s that good.
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You're all whistling past the grave yard
We’re going to have a very average O-line this year and we’re one injury away from having a below average O-line. Reese need to sign a top player.
I'm sure the same thing was said in 2006 when we had all these retreads, fill ins and nobodies on the line
there are no top OL players on the market.
And the Giants line was one of the best in the game for a long time, but no top players were signed.
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I too, agree and disagree.
Your right on about the worries we had before this group came together. But Kareem was a big money, big time FA signed.
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
eh...
he was more like a Doug Free type signing. Also he was signed for big money, yea, but it wasn’t like he was an elite player or anything. He’s a RT. The Giants believe in running the ball, so they overpaid.
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Disagree and agree
I think the line, with a youth and health infusion, will be stronger than last year and above average. And last year’s bad line still kept the opposition off of Eli. That said, I do agree that Reese should and will sign a significant talent for the line.
good, at least he won't get hurt
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+1
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
trade his ass
i now have hatred in my heart towards him… Giants organization >>>>>>> Osi
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
agree
not with the hatred (but understandable) but get something out of it. It would be nice for the Giants to have an extra pick or two in the draft to either use or trade around.
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All these media dickwipes don't understand that we're not done in FA
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
and good morning to y'all
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah BBI,
at least give us a “mornin” before pooping in our cereal!
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haha my bad
I just get cranky sometimes at BSPN
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
big cofield to the redskins
hasslebeck to the tits…
that seems to be the big news…interesting
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
I saw Hasselbeck, is Cofield a reality?
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Sad for Cofield
I know he wanted a big money contract but I bet he’s going to regret going to a crappy franchise like the Redskins
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Falcons reach 5 yr deal with Stephen Nicholas
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
so now I can go back to not knowing or caring what a Stephen Nicholas is
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i must say
the feedback coming back wasn’t anything to write home about
decent player….good against the run, weak against the pass (haven’t heard that before)
and last time i check we had another ATL lb here playing on the strong side….
of course i’ve always been a proponent of moving him back to the weak side.
TeamJPP
there was no reason to expect any more
he’s depth. We already have depth, if we’re gonna bother signing (and then releasing the young Lbaneezers we have) an LB they might as well be a star or close to it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
this
I’m in the Tully bandwagon if we do anything with the LBzez now. With how much Ruud would cost, not so sure he’d be a big enough upgrade to make it worth it.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
the closest thing we get to a LB in free agency this year, is resigning Kiwi
I was waiting to see who they'd cut
to see the direction they’re going in. Its pretty obvious that they won’t go LB with cutting 3 OL.
Not to mention we’ve got Herzlich, Jones, Dillard, Sintim, J.Williams, Tracy, Goff, Boley, Paysinger back there right now.
And that’s if we don’t re-sign Blackburn, Wilkinson, and Bulluck
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone see Sintim breaking out this year?
I want to believe, but I can’t until I see it for myself.
he's gotten hurt every year
if he stays healthy, he’ll probably be fine
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don't have much faith in Sintim
I know a bunch around here do. GhostDini is a huge Sintim believer. I think the fact that he’s now 3 years in and coming off ACL is a huge hindrance for him.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
count Blue Gates
as a Sintim guy for sure….. he is 2 years in actually, the third year hasnt happened yet.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
yeah....idk I hope he proves me wrong
and I’m rooting for the dude, but I just dunno if he has it in him
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
4 words
In Jerry We Trust….
BRING IN QUINCY BLACK!!!!!!!
by AussieGiant on Jul 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I still like Sintim
He hasn’t been that bad, and I’ve never seen him get a solid quarter of playing time. No coach is that acute in player evals in camp. So far coach is just guessing.
LMAO exactly
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
haha blue gates
Love your sig!!!
BRING IN QUINCY BLACK!!!!!!!
by AussieGiant on Jul 27, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
"..the time has come for changes,"etc?
Overdue, maybe long overdue.
So, change good, but
Even if we get a respectable center, will we have enough?
Iffy, IMO
mattbarrows Matt Barrows
Breaking: Center David Baas has agreed to terms with the Giants, according to a league source.
TeamJPP
TEH CENTURZZZZ
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Jul 27, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao
Yeah baby. Thz centurzzz. This site is hella fun I tell u.
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by Handsome Stranger on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Center David Baas to the Giants
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Height: 6-4 Weight: 330 Age: 29
Born: 9/28/1981 Sarasota , FL
College: Michigan
Experience: 7th season
High School: Riverview HS [Sarasota, FL]
That’s a big Center!
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by Larry Soprano on Jul 27, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
and an afternoon tea after a hard workout
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by Handsome Stranger on Jul 27, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who?
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Totally forgot about him
He’s pretty good….obviously haven’t seen much of him considering the 49ers aren’t exactly an interesting team to follow……but rotoworld says he’ll likely command priority money and is a top center.
HALLELUJAH! I guess
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
49er fans are not happy about this
And that makes me happy to have him. I didnt realize that he’s a Michigan product and I like that
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's a beast is what he is
I dunno about talent (he’s a G/C type, more of a G IIRC). But he looks like Bam Bigelow
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yup
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a back up
until last year, he supposedly did pretty well filling in for there center, hopefully he can fill in for O’hara
dottino says...
he’s been starting for the better part of 4 years.
giantswfan GiantsWFAN
baas has been starting CTR for 49ers for better part of four seasons #giants
TeamJPP
he's been their starting G
but Iupati beat him out last year, but their starting C went down early so they put porky in as their C.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like another versatile Olineman just like the Giants like.
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Here we go.....another wasted day at work....
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by andiamo708 on Jul 27, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup, I hear ya
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by Larry Soprano on Jul 27, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
hahah, I heard that
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
heardddd thatttttt
i planned for this though so i was prepared for 3-4 unproductive days
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
YUP
My boss keeps asking me if I’m done, but I don’t know how to tell him I’ve had to posponed my project till next monday. Priorities man.
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by Handsome Stranger on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As Per Rotoworld
Giants agreed to terms with C David Baas, a source tells the Sacramento Bee.
It’s a major blow to the Niners, who was expected to be their No. 1 priority. Eric Heitmann’s career is in doubt due to a neck injury and Baas was the top center on the market. Meanwhile, the Giants get an upgrade on soon-to-be released Shaun O’Hara and still have Adam Koets for depth. It’s an underrated yet strong move for the G-Men.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
holy crap
he really DOES look like bam bam. Like… a lot
by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
he looks like he belongs in a special class
and thats a good thing
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds sweet
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
WAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
I like the signing
He’s a mauler. Should be a good pickup!
Our friends at Niner Nation did a write up on him
Comparing the 49ers Free Agents: David Baas
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
not bad
Flaherty should be able to coach him up and make him all the better
by ddhamaka814 on Jul 27, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm David Baas and F### YOU
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
He looks well adjusted
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Jul 27, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
as long as he plays
as pissed off as he looks, I’m good.
by ddhamaka814 on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He looks like the kinda Olineman I (Eli, 27, 44) want blockiming for me!
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Yeah, thats right, I said it... BLOCKAMING LOL
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Any word on the Plax TC talks
I am not expecting any return but I would like to hear what came of the conversation. Every other news outlet is trying to make a big deal out of it.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
they can't meet today
I read a report the Giants messed up the rules. They aren’t allowed face-to-face mtgs till Friday.
I heard they will probably meet Friday and TC may talk on the phone with Plax today (depending on rules)
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
they should video chat
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
I’m sure by the end of the meeting, TC’s face will be more red then the GB game
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, when it comes to meetings
I hear Chilli’s is the new golf course
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Its where business happens. Small Business Man Magazine
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Jul 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Jul 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Sal Pal said on Sirius that its a real possibility he lands with us.
Mostly because of players wanting him.
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Im holding off hope
for a return, but I cant say i wouldnt smile if I saw a Plax signs for 1 year deal
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
I'm mixed.
But we do have alot of banged up WR’s
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I'm neutral on this
if it happens, great.
If it doesn’t, oh well
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
You know what the funniest part is
I come in the article titled “Who will protect Eli”, and by the time I’m done reading, the question has been pretty much answered.
I will say one thing about this shortened FA period, it sure is cutting down on our ability to argue about which player they should sign.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
when I saw "Who Will Protect Eli Manning?"
I answered it quickly… Plax cause he is packing heat.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
had to
its too easy
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice pick up
He can play G and C. Anybody have a somewhat recent scouting report on him? I also heard the Giants may be in the market for Robert Gallery at LG.
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I wouldn't be opposed to that
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln
He looks like a beast and he's 6' 7"
Reese strikes again
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lol he’s 6-4 my bad
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn how right u are sir
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as soon as we hear it
we’ll let ya know
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Tom Rock of Newsday
Say Gmen have extended an offer to Bradshaw so maybe we’ll see about that today
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Training Wheels
eventually you have to take off the training wheels and let the backups become starters. Us fans forget it’s an ongoing transition from one starter to the next to the next.
O’Hara is old, banged up and makes too much. Same with Andrews. Seubert was probably heading for the PUP list. I expect one or two will be resigned at a smaller contract.
It's a shame because
That offensive line 2007-2009 was good enough to win more than one Superbowl but they have their ring! Thanks guys!
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like it
Beatty-Diehl-Baas-Snee-McKenzie with Pietus and Boothe backing up. I think our o-line will be fine.
by Giants_fan4life on Jul 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
I am fan of our O line i cannot lie.... Beatty, Diehl, Baas, Snee, McKenzie....
now lets sign plaxico
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
just need a little more depth
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
A little late, but as per Rotoworld
Tom Rock of Newsday confirms the Giants have extended an offer to free agent Ahmad Bradshaw.
Rock hears the Giants are no closer to a deal with the feature back, however, so that initial offer will have to come up. We still expect Bradshaw to ultimately re-sign.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
I like that last part.
But I still am very disappointed that Cofield will be lining up against us twice a year. And he’s going to be a NT? Not sure that is the best fit for him. He went for the money.
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Deja Vu
Same thing happened with C. Griifin
by Giants_fan4life on Jul 27, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You right, but I certainly did not have the same love for that guy!
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He’s gonna do more work than Haynesworth. Barry is an animal! If he brings his spirit and work ethic to that line they will be sucessful
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
IMO Barry will be much less successful as a 3-4 NT than he was as a 4-3 DT
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I agree
Don’t think it’s a right fit for him. Oh wells
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In our rear view mirror now.
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PFF
Arizona’s Lyle Sendlein, a 27-year-old four-year veteran who has started every game the past three seasons for the Cardinals. Pro Football Focus does not see Sendlein as anything special, having graded him only +0.7 in 2010 and -0.5 in 2009.
What was O’Hara’s grades at PFF the last two or three season? I’d like to compare to Sendlein.
If we get Plax
does this mean we won’t resign Steve Smith?
by Giants_fan4life on Jul 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
I will not be happy
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
no
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard we approached both AB and SS and Bradshaw seems to want to test free agency (but still has a good chance of resigning)
And Smith is on board with returning on a one year deal. Does this mean they might be trying to bring in Plax and bring back Smith?
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If that's true
then we would be stacked at WR Nicks, Manningham, Smith, Plax, Hixon, Barden, Jernigan
by Giants_fan4life on Jul 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly don't see the point
of bringing plax back to anything more than the vet minimum
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
the point?
the point is he will be better in the redzone than everyone on our roster…and in the 2 minute drill when eli is callin the shots…. who do u think eli is gonna throw the ball to? hakeem with all his drops? no…. its Plaxico the F Burress
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
redzone offense was no the problem last year
turnovers I think was public enemy number 1
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
niceeeeee
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
as long as he didnt drop the soap
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Jul 27, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen him drop his share
Nicks is still the number 1 but with that being said, I’m down for him coming.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
no question
nicks is the number one…. but im thinkin if plax sings he takes the number 2 spot over everyone else… disagree?
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ham has shown he is a starter
and handled alot when it was just him plus the “other” guys. SS12 is still up in the air if he’s here, PUP, etc. But it would not be an issue anyway cause in this current NFL, 3 WR sets are used alot.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see him back here
Even with all of the “maturation” we’ve heard about I find it hard to believe that Plaxico will be cool with being so far down the depth chart. He doesn’t have a choice here but he could immediately contribute to a team that lacks talented WRs.
sigh...
Smith has a long term future
Plax was shot (literally and figuratively) in 2008. I doubt they’re getting rid of SS12.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
+12
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's a tweet about it
Patricia_Traina Patricia Traina
Smith is said to have been more receptive while Bradshaw wants to test the market (probably has to do with contact length). …
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
probably cuz Alex Smith or whoever the Niners QB have no idea what they're doing
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
he was playing with rookies around him
and I believe it was his first season at center, so hopefully he can only get better from here
by ddhamaka814 on Jul 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Both of you are right...
and I don’t really care. I just hope we don’t hand down jobs to people not named Kareem Mckenzie or Chris Snee.
If you have concerns
Go to the Niners site and see what they think of him. Plus, our coaches seem to be as good as anyone in the NFL at developing and getting the most out of Olinemen
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he's basically pre-Giants Shaun O'Hara in Chris Snee's body
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i agree
truly painted us a picture there R44
BRING IN QUINCY BLACK!!!!!!!
by AussieGiant on Jul 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Santonio Holmes re-signs with the jest
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
I hope they don't get Nnamdi. I'm rooting for Houston in that one.
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with every other signing
surely they are further from achieving that… also agree with Texans!!! Stay in the AFC!
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by AussieGiant on Jul 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Stay in the AFC, exactly
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How can they afford Holmes and Nnamdi
they were over the cap just like us
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
good
i would actually be mad at the jets if they let him go
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
What about bray-lon?
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Jets will add him if they can't get Nnamdi
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL at the Panthers signing Charles Johnson to $72mill
tho if I was Osi, I’d request a copy of that contract and wave it at Jerry Reese
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Now you can’t get mad at Osi when BS contacts like that are out there. I’d be pissed too. 72 mil? What his garauntee?
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no I think that's cofields
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
36 million
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw 30mil even guaranteed
even so…LOL!
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
that was signing bonus actually
its actually $32mil guaranteed.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
signing fail
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok so just for kicks
What would Reggie White have gotten in this market?
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
18 years, 90 bazillion euros
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously they’d have to build a bank for Reggie White
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 11:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL I have no words for this at all
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by Major on Jul 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Depending on Kiwi health
I would get rid of Osi. Seems like he’s always complaining about something new. DE’s will always get paid (i.e. Charles Johnson), so I’m sure we can get a 1st round for him.
by Giants_fan4life on Jul 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I know Tuck is liking his chops at that contract as well.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Jacobs restructuring
MikeGarafolo Mike Garafolo
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Just confirmed. Blog post coming. RT @TheJRob: Rumors heating up that the Giants are trying to restructure Brandon Jacobs’ contract. #nyg
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
Glad he's willing to do that
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-John Madden
Oops, Baas
And haha, just kidding. Good signing.
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Your funny. Sometimes.... :-)
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At least Giants' old guy
has actually played in the league some – j/k JK
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and soon will be cold...
weather transition ;)
BRING IN QUINCY BLACK!!!!!!!
by AussieGiant on Jul 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
good beer that is
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
hate jimmy
You know what I don’t post often on bbv but jimmy posts good stuff about eagles from time to time. I hate you only because you like the eagles .. but your a cool guy haha
by wrxsti28 on Jul 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You think we release Brandon Jacobs
if he declines to renegotiate his contract?
That releasing could end up hurting this team’s chances.
Depends on who they value more:
Bradshaw or Jacobs, but I highly doubt they would release Jacobs just to sign Bradshaw..
by ddhamaka814 on Jul 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Only if
Jerry Reese and co. have been huffing paint all morning
by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
he didnt decline
he just said hes down for it
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Please don't happen...
@michaelombardi
Michael Lombardi
I keep hearing from well placed relible NFL sources that this Jet talk and Nmandi Asomugha is serious and I mean serious.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
it's going to...
they have a salary cap master in Tannenbaum…he just locked up Holmes, now on to Nnamdi. The Jets are going to be scary good this year, hate to say it.
I was hoping the Texans would get him
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought NE
then i realized they would never pay him what he wants, would have been the best move for NE to make, sign Nnamdi to pair with McCourty.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
if there's a silver lining, its that.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Now they can had the boys there 1st loss in game 1
and we will beat the skins of course, hopefully Philly loses their first game and boom we lead the divison and never look back.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Santonio Holmes
5 yrs $50 mill with $24 mill guaranteed…
….here’s to hoping Desean Jackson is seeing that and holding out. Holy shit
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
really?
LOL! The hell is with these contracts?
I dunno what we’re gonna pay Baas or any of our own guys yet, so I probably shouldn’t laugh. But maybe its better to not have cap room
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
they are gonna be saddled with a heavy contract for quite some time now
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Per Rotoworld
According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, potential Kevin Kolb trade partners “appear to be dwindling” for the Eagles, and their leverage in talks “appears to be slipping.”
The Seahawks’ agreement with Tarvaris Jackson hurt. The Inquirer suggests that the Eagles “priced themselves out” of a deal with Seattle, which wasn’t willing to surrender a first-round pick. League sources still tell the paper that a trade is “bound to get done,” probably with the Cardinals. It’s interesting to note that the Eagles have not been tied to any top free agent corners, suggesting their sights remain set on Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Really hoping the Eagles overplayed their hand…would be hilarious
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions
it will also be funny when Vick gets hurt and they have to play Mike Kaftka or Brett Favre
Klob at least is a decent backup
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 27, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
All the phans
were adamant (Adam Ant?) that they would get a #1 plus for Kolb.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Kevin Boss Signed
Rocky Bernard released
by The Blood of Eli on Jul 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
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