New York Giants Notes: Shawn Andrews Loves The Giants, But ...
by Ed Valentine on Jul 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
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PrintEarlier this morning I promised you guys a notebook. Here it is, sans anything about the lockout, about which we will hopefully have good news later today.
Andrews calls Giants 'best organization in the league' - Giants Blog - ESPN New York
The veteran offensive lineman tweeted Saturday night, "LMAO!! Why Wouldn’t I Wanna Work For The Best Organization In The League #IMO"
The tweet was in response to a question by WFAN’s Giants reporter Paul Dottino, who asked Andrews, "Do you expect to play for NYG this season?"
Andrews can say all the nice things he wants about the Giants. That still doesn't mean they won't cut the talented offensive lineman some time during the next week due to salary cap concerns. Ralph Vacchiano reported recently that the Giants could be $11 million over the $120 million salary cap, so some moves will need to be made.
Some of you, incidentally, have clamored for an in-depth look at the salary cap. Well, I'm no salary cap junkie, but good friend Pat Traina of Inside Football is. You want in-depth talk about the cap? Go read the piece Pat did about a week ago.
First post-lockout move for NFL teams
The first post-lockout moves for NFL teams will, truthfully, be exclusive negotiations for a couple of days with their own free agents and the signing of undrafted free agents. ESPN Insider, though, offers a thought on the first thing the Giants should do in free agency -- sign Carolina linebacker James Anderson.
The Giants won't just hand over the starting strongside linebacker position to 2009 second-round pick Clint Sintim, who lost the job during last year's training camp and is coming off a torn ACL. If the Carolina Panthers can't re-sign Anderson, the linebacker-needy Giants should move to scoop up one of the more underrated linebackers in the league.
Now that I am back I promise a full-fledged look at Anderson before free agency starts -- provided the Panthers don't re-sign him first.
Another bad break for undrafted players | ProFootballTalk
It's going to be tougher for this year's crop of undrafted players to make NFL rosters this offseason without the benefit of OTAs to get ready for training camp. (The same could be said for late round picks.)
The best wide receiver in Cal Poly history is anxious to get his third NFL season started and show what he's capable of. As a rookie with the New York Giants Ramses Barden caught one pass for 16-yards. Last year in his second season, Barden had five receptions for 64-yards. He only played in six games before suffering a fractured left ankle and torn ligament which ended his season. Barden had surgery in March and says he's feeling good now.
"It feels like it's been a while since I played and the season's starting to get close and I can taste it and I really want to make the most out of it and make a mar," said Barden.
My take: It would be nice if Ramses got started eventually.
NFL.com news: Giants among teams positioned for post-lockout success
Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin have assembled a roster that has few glaring weaknesses. Eli Manning has a talented cast of receivers to target in the passing game, and Brandon Jacobs anchors a physical rushing attack that should rank among the elite. With Perry Fewell still in place to tutor a defense that started to show its teeth near the end of the season, the Giants have all the pieces in place to emerge as a frontrunner on the heels of the lockout.
Some of you can rag on Coughlin, Kevin Gilbride and others all you want, but the stability of the Giants organization and the veteran players the team has provide them an excellent opportunity to have early success. Provided, of course, Coughlin's head does not explode from all of the changes to the norm that NFL teams will have to endure.
NFC East team needs - NFC East Blog - ESPN
1. Running back 2. Linebacker 3. Tight end
This gets to the heart of the fact that the Giants' first task once the league year begins will be to prioritize and re-sign their own free agents. They will only need a running back and a tight end if they can't re-sign Bradshaw and Kevin Boss, but they hope to be able to bring back both. I believe both will draw interest elsewhere, and that it's possible Boss could draw more than the Giants expect. But of these three needs, linebacker is the only one for which they should have to play on the open market without getting a head-start with one of their own players.
Heading into free agency I think you have to agree with this. What happens with Umenyiora and Kiwanuka might change the list, though.
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Offensive line...
Is a more pressing need than tight end, IMO
Cut Andrews , Seubert and Bernard
Resign Smih and Kiwinuka to short term deals.
Deal Umenyiora only if you can get a 1st or 2nd for him.
And go out and get yaself a #2 Runningback because either Bradshaw or Jacobs is gone.
by TheBXRepresenta on Jul 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I feel we need both ahmad and jacobs
so I hope your wrong on that part. I really really hope that jacobs restructures his contract
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree
Ahmad fumbles 1 out of every 35 carries. That works out to 2 out of every 3 games. I am sick of watching Maningham and Ahmad cough up the ball. Plus running back is easily the most replaceable position in the NFL. D-Ward averaged more YPC than Ahmad his last year on the G-men. Reese also is a great scout of running back talent. I could see him finding another jewel in FA at a cheap price. Give me pass rushers and another OL. If Osi doesn’t want to play for us we need Kiwi back more than we need a RB and we need to move Osi ASAP to free up the $$$. Finally I would like to see Eli rework his deal to free up cash for SS12.
Tiki and AP fumbled a lot
And one day… THEY STOPPED :) We can cure AB fumblitis.
Bradshaw is a good young RB capable of running outside and inside the tackles and more importantly. We won’t find a RB as goog as him in pass protection.
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Not sure cutting Bernard is a good idea with Brofield leaving.
cut Andrews , Seubert , Wilkinson, Shaun O’Hara, Hedgecock. trade Osi. Deon Grants gone.
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Why would you cut Seubert?
Giants fan (counting me) have been asking for Seubert departure for a couple of seasons now but since last year I’m a believer.
The guy is tough and will not give up easely. I’ll give him another shot just because he was the Giants’ MVP last year.
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At 32 Im not very confident he comes back same guy from the injury. factor in 2.5 mill
makes me think long and hard.. Now if the giants know something I dont, then I would love to have him back.
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Don't count Seubert out.
This guy has got to be one of if not the toughest player on our roster. If Richie says he is coming back I beleive him.
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 to both of you
Seubert has proven fans wrong many times.
But it is true that at 32 it is harder to come back from the kind of injury he suffered.
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At 32 I see why people don't think he will be back but..
I was at the game when Richie broke his leg. After watching that one I didn’t even think the guy would be able to walk again let alone play football. All I am saying is Richie’s heart is huge and he will do everything possible to come back and if he is able to come back he will play great.
I just would not bet against a guy like that even at 32
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They are not even considering trading Osi
So we can get that out of our minds….. hate him or love him, dude is probably the best pure RE in a 4-3 in the league.
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uh... say what?
“the best pure RE in a 4-3 in the league.”
The guy that can’t rush inside or bullrush, that above average against the run and doesn’t show up against elite LT is the best pure RE in a 4-3 in the league?
I might have missed something here.
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And about the trade thing
I agree, Mara isn’t considering it… and that saddens me :(
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Cant rush inside or bull rush
You dont think that is the direct function of a bad hip for the last 5 years…….look at the Philly game years back when his hip wasnt hurting…did u see a bull rush?? or inside rush?? i bet u u did!!!.
What elite LT does he not show up against? please tell me sir
Now lets take a look at my statement! “the best pure RE in a 4-3 in the league”. Yes i said it and here is why.
What is the primary function of a RE, be careful now, i really mean RE not DE or LE, solely RE…..no its not run stopping or bull rushes, its pass rushing period. is there anyone who is a more pure pass rushing RE in a 4-3 in this league? hell no, the guy has a signature move which almost always ends in a strip sack and FF……
Now ask Warren Sapp what is the most important game changing play a DL can make, and he will tell you “BALL OUT!!!” meaning the strip sack which Osi has perfected.
Leader?? IDK about that, Great attitude?? hmmm, Best DE?? no way, Best LE?? never, Can play up and down the line?? Is that a real question……..best Pure RE in a 4-3??? Hell to the YEEEEEEAH!!! ALLL DAMN DAY!!!
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Oh boy...
So he had a bad hip. Everything is excused. The team should definetely make him happy!
Thank God, you are not a GM (not saying I would be a great one either in case you were thinking that).
I can’t access stats here at work but I’ll glad tell you against whom he did not show up. That would only mae my case stronger :)
Now about your definition of a RE. So in your mind the guy should only be able to pass rush. Okay… so then what? When he got burn 20 times a game by RB running his way he can just say “not my job guys, I’m just a pass rusher”.
IMO a RE should be able to run and have more than one move. His primary strenght is to pass rush, but if he sucks at the rest then he is useless.
Once agin never said Osi sucked, I’m just saying that there better players out there playing his position SO WHAT’S THE POINT OF PAYING HIM TOP MONEY?
Thank God you are not a GM
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There's a lot of "pure REs" better then Osi
so get that out of your mind. Trent Cole and Jared Allen are two of them.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He's still pretty freaking good
You can’t just replace a guy who forced what, 10 fumbles last year
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He forced fumbles mostly against weak teams
If I’m not mistaken he never got a sack or a FF against strong competition (can’t access stats from work computer).
So he got FF against weak LT that couldn’t stop my grandmother such as the Bears(and she can’t walk without help) or QB who held too long onto the ball such as the Panthers.
There is no point in breaking the bank for someone who doesn’t show when it matters the most against elite competition.
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Since when does the caliber of the LT mean that a team is good?
The Browns and Dolphins suck and they have probably the top 2 LTs in the NFL…so I doubt that means anything.
What does it matter what who he got the FF against? I don’t see anyone else doing what he did and its not his fault who he’s going up against.
Also, look at the LTs for all the teams we faced. Doug Free and Jason Peters are the only 2 worth a damn and that’s 4 games. He also had pretty good games against the Eagles (2 inches closer and one of those Eagles games would’ve been spectacular), so its like Peters dominated him either.
The Giants didn’t face many elite LTs so its hard to fault Osi for not showing up when we played them, cuz they didn’t exist.
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Raaaa come on you know what I meant
I should have put competition instead of team.
The fact is that he doesn’t show up consistently. And if you are going to be 2 inches away the sack every time then why would you get a top 5 DE contract?
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You say all this
like Osi hasnt led the Giants in sacks every time he has laced up his cleets, so if he isnt what im saying he is but is still the team leader, that would mean by your definition, the others are worst than him.
How doenst he show up against elite LT’s?? and when u do this please do it for his career not 2 weeks.
Oh yeeeah!!!….bad hip for last 5 years, refused to get surgery, you dont think a bad left hip would prevent a guy from doing more?? i think he becomes a freaking animal now that he is truly healthy.
I too once thought he shied away from contact but it now that i look carefully, dude is just always trying to protect his hip, thats why he never goes dwn on the sack or slides to brace himself, check it out for yourself. I think he will give you your consistency this year after he gest his contract, which he will, just ask Mara.
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Okay so would you give him the money he wants
I never said Osi sucked. I’m just saying he is not as good as you think.
The guy is an inconsistent (injury prone if I take into account what you said) one dimensional RE who can thank the lousy LT/QB he had to face for the FF.
Hopefully the Giants do not think that he is worth a top 5 contract.
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Well when your one dimension
is exactly the primary dimension that should be taken into account when looking at a RE then hell yeah you pay him……… he was the #1 game changer on defense for us last year, so say what u want and talk down if you must but i dont care who we have on this team, our pass rush is no where near as lethal without Osi.
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Not the only skill you should look at
CC Brown was good against the run but sucked in pass coverage. Did we keep him? No because he was not a complete player at his position.
Same applies to Osi. You can’t only look at one skill.
Obviously for a RE you have to look at his pass rushing skill, but you also have to look at the rest. And for Osi the rest doesn’t look good.
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I'd say Osi didn't show up for 3 games this year
Indy, GB and Tennessee. The rest he was pretty consistent. I never said he’s a top 5 LT, but Eli Manning probably isn’t a top 5 QB and he had a top 5 QB contract when he was going to be a FA.
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Osi is not going FA
Problem solved.
The guy is asking for a contract that he doesn’t deserve. Unlike Eli, he is not essential to the team.
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Osi is making about $3mil, the GM said he'd rework his contract
and he had a season that production wise was in the top 10. I doubt he doesn’t deserve it considering he’d be incredibly cheap on that contract.
Whether or not he’s essential to the team we don’t know. JPP has elite potential, Kiwi has done it before but both are ?s
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Osi him self is a"?"
Sacks
2004. 7
2005. 14.5
2006. 6
2007. 13
2009. 7
2010. 11.5
2011. ?
Disturbing trend..
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the only trend there is the seasons without double digit sacks
were ones he was either a new starter or coming off an injury.
Neither of which is this year, in fact he’s probably healthier then he was last year.
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yr, hasn't started yet.
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means nothing
he’s not coming off an injury, which is the point.
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Oh well Im just pointing out a disturbing trend..
regardless the reason, 7 yrs with the results being on and off is worrisome. Him getting hurt in season opposed to pre is little consolation to me.
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Injuries are not a trend
really the trend you should be looking at is the guy gets injured and returns to form the next season, which is probably a good thing for a player you sign long term.
Injuries are unpredictable. But if a guy is going to get hurt and has a track record of returning to form after said injury, that’s a good thing.
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Don't cry when you Osi can't post the same numbers again
There would be no debate if Osi was consistent each year.
He had injuries, YES I know but even when he was healthy he was not able to have 2 good seasons in a row.
I think that he is overrated, that’s my opinion. If you choose to think that he is worth it then I can only pray for you when you’ll be kicking in your TV while watching Osi not earning his money.
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that's false, actually
since he was never healthy two years in a row. If he makes it through the preseason this year, this will be the first.
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That only confirms that he shouldn't be a priority
You are not going to pay a guy because of the injury excuses.
It’s the NFL, not Sesame street.
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If he wasn't healthy, it would be Sesame Street
but its not, its real life and he’s healthy. So if he’s healthy, he’ll produce and earn his money like he’s done every single year he’s been in the league.
You can’t predict injury. All of the injuries he’s had were freak injuries anyway.
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You can't predict injury but you can assess the risk
And the past has shown that with Osi there is a high risk of injury and inconsistency.
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He gets injured then comes back from it
that’s consistent. If he gets hurt, he’ll be back. If he doesn’t, he’ll earn every penny.
So what’s the problem.
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The cap space is the problem
See my comment below “just to be clear”
That’s why I think Osi is not worth the raise he asks.
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its really not tho, like I said below that one.
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pretty consistent that he gets injured
in some way or fashion (freak or not)…
at least that’s how the past has played up to this point.
I don’t think he’s worth the priority at this point. Isn’t he still under contract anyway?
That's just Ridiculous!
Osi always earns his money when he's healthy
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Yea okay
You say that now that we have 50 other ends out there but he held it down at RE every time he has been out there, is he perfect?? no but is he who you are trying to say he is? no way.
I have come to the conclusion that THEIRGROW= LESEAN MCCOY
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Please at least try to spell my name correctly
And I can only add that you are wrong :)
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Quite frankly
the Giants really only did amazing vs weak teams
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Like always
So lets not just blame Osi.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Stop it
those guys are better all around DE’s but better pure pass rushers from the RE spot……..never in life, you should be ashamed.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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The best 4-3 RE pass rusher in the League
has more than one move and his name is Julius Peppers.
That guy rush outside, rush inside and bullrush. The 3 things you need to be a complete player and he excels in 3 of those things. Osi is good only in rushing outside and therefore can easily be neutralized because LT know he won’t suddenly go inside like Freeney or Peppers do.
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Julius Peppers is the best DE in the league
not the best 4-3 pure RE, he is too talented and multi faceted to be labeled just “the best pure RE in a 4-3”, thats insulting to a guy like Pepp who might be the best football player in the league period.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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So you agree
Osi isn’t the best pure pass rusher, thank you :)
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No, he is the best pure RE in a 4-3...... and best pure pass rusher.
Is he better all around like pepp? hell no, can he rush the passer from the RE spot in a 4-3 better than or just as good as anybody in the league without a doubt!!!!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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If pass rush consisted only in rushing outside
Then yeah he’ll be the best.
But there is more than one way to rush the passer. I can’t explain it in other words. If you can’t understand that then there is nothing else that I can do.
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Yes and i explained how a hip injury would stop an inside pass rushing move
If you cant see that then this convo is certainly over.
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Osi is not the best RE in a 4-3
just stop that already, no one believes that.
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Well no one definelty is but arguably??? are u serious
Then who??
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I said them elsewhere
but Trent Cole, Jared Allen, Julius Peppers, John Abraham, and Dwight Freeney are all better and more consistent.
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Any 4-3 in the league
would be upgraded 10 fold with osi:
Osi to the vikes??? imagine that
Osi to the Eagles?? Imagine that
Osi to the Bears?? need i say more
Dude is valuable beyond belief, especially when you have another talented end out there.
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Is he a top 5 RE?? in a 4-3!!!
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5 RE I would take ahead of Osi
Not in any particular order
Peppers
Freeney
Allen
Abraham
Cole
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Freeney is the only Pure pass rushing 43 RE on that list
The rest of those guys have spent significant time playing LE and are all better all around DE’s but not better pure pass rushing RE’s…. however my argument is not that there is no one that can rush like him at all, its simply lets not disrespect him like he is not in the convo…..IMO he is at the top of the list when healthy. People act like this guy doesnt rush the passer with the best of them or better than the rest of them on any given sunday.
Yes you may prefer those other guys but when it comes to rushing the passer, how is Osi not top 5, i just dont get it.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Those can rush in different ways
Osi can’t. That’s it.
Oh yeah I know you’ll mention the hip thing again. But that doesn’t make him the best RE pass rusher. It’s just an excuse.
The fact that some of those guys have played LE doesn’t mean anything. They’re RE deal with it.
No one is disrepecting Osi. Actually no one said he sucked. At least I didn’t. I am just saying that he is not elite (top 5).
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LOL!
Those three teams have a RE better then Osi. So unless they’re moving their own to the other side, which doesn’t make much sense, I doubt it.
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Jarred allen and Trent cole are only RE's because the person on the left cannot play RE
so if Osi goes to any of those teams, Allen and Cole as well as Peppers would be on the LE side because they all play the run just as good as they pass rush. get it.
Why wouldnt they be moved to LE??? when they all have played LE before not to mention they play which ever side they want!!!! in games. totally up to ends like Pepp and Allen as to which side the line up.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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huh?
they play RDE cuz that’s what they are. That they play the run well is just icing on the cake, get it? Sure they move along the line, but Osi does’t.
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Huh?
No those guys are DE’s period, they dont gelt slotted because of their ability to move along the line. They play RDE for their respective teams because no one can pass rush like them.
“That they play the run well is just icing on the cake, get it?” no i certainly dont because if it was “Just icing” then Osi would be a top 5 hands down. It is not just icing but playing the run is THE ONLY essential component to being moved along the line, if you cant do that then you only play RE like Osi which i already stated before u repeated it.
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They've always played RDE, they are RDEs
so end of discussion. Osi isn’t in their class. Top 5 he never was.
Doesn’t mean he isn’t good, cuz he is. But top 5 he’ll never be.
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Julius Peppers and Jarred Allen
have played both sides equally, i would compare them more to the Tuck type of DE, Tuck would also play his fair share of RE if Osi wasnt on the team as well…….Freeney and Mathis are more the Osi type ends even though Mathis plays LE but thats just because Indy puts no premium on run stopping at all. Both of them can definitely be considered better than Osi but to say he is not a top 5 pure pass rusher is asinine when thats all he does.
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It's not because you are a RE
That you don’t have to know how to play the run.
OBVIOUSLY you have to know to play the run but you primary skill is pass rushing.
The pass rush skill is not the only skill a RE should have. It is just the most important. If you can’t play the run the you are useless or just a passing down RE.
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Yes and in the NFL
you get paid based on your primary skill, not what you cant do, ask Randy Moss, ask Mathis and Freeney, you can be one dimensional as long as no one can stop that one dimension then who cares.
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Man I tried really hard, believe me
but I can’t hold it anymore: I just can’t believe that one can be THAT stupid.
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You calling me stupid hardly bothers me LMAO
so you shouldnt have held it.
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But
how is it stupid? Randy moss got paid for one route
Freeney gets paid for one move primarily (he can do others).
Albert Haynesworth got 100 million for doing one thing well, the bull rush.
Dieon Sanders didnt even like to tackle but he covered so damn well it didnt matter.
Being one dimensional is not as bad as it sounds when your one damn trick is virtually unstoppable. These guys can do other things but they have one main strong suit.
Not everybody has a bunch of strengths like a Peppers, Allen, Tuck but nevermind.
Football is the sport of the specialist, if you can do one thing at a dominant level, there will always be big money and a place for you.
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But just regarding the Osi matter
Because on other issues you can actually make.
Regarding the Osi debate I don’t know what happened to you but you are just not making sense.
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Erratum
Because on other issues you can actually make sense
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Well you made sense to me
I was just sayin your POV is not the way i look at it….. the guy can be considered top 5. if you wanted a pure pass rusher and he was available, you would jump at him in a heart beat over alot of guys but i know you want to argue that all these guys are better pure pass rushers and all of them can make a very viable argument for that and so can you, as you have.
BUT dont speak as if Osi cant even be freaking considered and is in no way on their level as a pure pass rusher, that is insane. Being a Giants fan has you factoring his attitude and ways instead of his pure pass rushing ability. If you evaluated pass rushing ability there is no way you could say he is not up there but i dont make sense so i am going to shut up now.
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THANK YOU!!!!!
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How do you know that?
Because Mara said ‘Reese and Osi will have to talk man to man’? I don’t think Mara said anything that would imply Osi isn’t getting traded or that he will be traded.
Since Mara said that he wants Osi to stay
I guess it means that he ruled out a trade or a cut for now.
But yeah, I think that once the Giants front office realize that Osi is asking for too much, they’ll trade him.
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I do.
He wouldnt have said they had to work it out if he was going to trade him….. he would simply not have said anything to Osi or the media, he wouldnt have seeked him out and given him the ok to go see Reese if he wanted the guy gone. Mara is very very very up front.
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Mara
was just doing what it takes to keep this organization a good one. And how do you do that? You diffuse any potential negative publicity, and let your team’s work remain behind the scenes.
You can’t take his word for anything. You just have to follow their actions.
Naw, you can take a Mara's word......
but only a real Giants fan would know that.
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You do the same.
Geeez, now thats a polite guy. :)
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Just to be clear
If the Giants give a raise to Osi, it’s going to have consequences and one of those consequences would to let Smith, Bradshaw and/or Kiwi go.
So I’m asking you that simple question is a one dimensional player that gets injury quite often and complains about his contract all the time is worth losing Smith, Kiwi and/or AB?
We have plenty of good DE so Osi is not essential to the Giants IMO.
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Nonsense
Osi getting a raise may free up money this year and next actually. it all depends on how they structure it…..like i said the financial people there are very very smart, there are plenty of unseen options that we have actually.
We can cut folks, we can back load contracts, we can defer money to other years etc….
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You should
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Give up that is.....LOL
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I doubt that
they’ll have plenty of money to resign him. There’s a lot of players that can be restructured here to make it work.
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+1
000,000
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I read that we can re-sign players even if we're over the cap
I heard it was sorta like the NBA, we’re having a soft cap not.
Saw on NFL Channel
that they’re saying the salary cap will be $123 million
that extra $3 million could be a life saver
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Yup
3 million dollar credit for all teams
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I highly doubt they’ll keep both and with improved line play I think Jacobs is going to be the guy. He’s the more durable player and he’s signed for two more years so cutting him isn’t really an option. Bradshaw is going to wanna get paid like a feature back and someone out there is going to pay him. That’s fine Jacobs can get you a 1000 yds and with a decent backup and rookie Da’rei Scott the Giants would still have a formidable running game.
I’d much rather see that money get spent on getting some vetrans to play on the O-line. If you’re offensive line is good doesn’t matter who you have lined up in the backfield. As long as he doesn’t have ball security issues ala Bradshaw.
by TheBXRepresenta on Jul 25, 2011 10:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Been thinking for a while on how players are gonna treat this
and there seems to be a few ways they will go about this.
1. The same old way of going where the money is (i.e. Bradshaw to the Fins).
2. Players coming off injuries getting one year deals to prove their health and maybe get big deals next year (i.e. Kiwi, SS12).
3. Guys willing to cut their salary to stay will their teams (i.e. Andrews, Jacobs).
4. This is the I am most intrested in… Because of non OTAs, min-camps, limited training camps, etc…. are FAs going to stay with teams because is an easier on them then learning a new system in a short period of time?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Bradshaw is going where the money is
He said he wants to stay with the Giants. But he won’t do it for free obviously. The guy deserves a raise but I’m sure that he’ll accept the hometown discount (unlike Santonio Holmes).
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Erratum: Bradshaw is NOT going where the money is
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I say 70% chance he stays
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That sounds about right
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Why should anyone accept a hometown discount??
Especially Santonio, hes only played 12 games or so as a Jet……… I dont think thats enough to consider giving a home town discount especially when you play like Holmes does.
And i thought it was Cromartie who said the whole hometown discount thing?…..Santonio is Jet priority, hes not going anywhere.
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Because for some it's not just about money
Yeah they want to get paid, but they won’t go anywhere to get paid. Otherwise they would all go to Washington ^^
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Yea a select few
but lets be clear here, most of them would go “ANYWHERE” to get paid. Most of the Giants players do play for the “Home town discount” already, AB is not going to try and break the bank, doesnt seem like that type of guy, i agree.
However to be honest, only two teams are considered “ANYWHERE” and thats the Skins and the Raiders, other than those two teams, if any other team backs up the brinks truck, most players wouldnt hesistate.
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I guess there will be a bid war for AB between Miami and NY
But I think that the Giants have an argument that the Phins don’t have: they are closer to the SB than the Phins.
Without a QB Miami is closer to the 1st overall pick than the 32nd.
The desire to win could help the Giants to keep Bradshaw.
Miami would have to offer big time money and a bigger role in the offense to make AB forget about NY.
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True
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we get to start signing our own FAs today
so we’ll see who we get locked up.
We better keep phone boothe!
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
guys on WFAN were saying a few things
Kevin Boss is the most important Giant FA because RBs can come out of nowhere to replace Bradshaw but they can’t replace Boss.
Jacobs should be cut cause he did nothing last year, complains way too much, and makes too much money.
Kiwi when heathly is not Osi so they must deal with his situation as quick has possible.
I diagree with all of this to different extents
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
"Jacobs should be cut cause he did nothing last year, complains way too much, and makes too much money"
What in lords name were you watching last year?? Maybe you need HD or somethin.
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He's saying
Thats what they were saying on the radio, and that he disagrees
by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 25, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Joe and Evan on WFAN said that about him, I was just repeating it
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh my fault
WTF are they watching then???….that statement pissed me off so bad i had to take a walk to calm down LMAO. My bad again well dressed.
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no worries
I do see the point that Jacobs may be one of those guys that needs to rework his contract but for them to say he is aging and a baby is going too far.
When he did get a good amount of carries, he was the Brandon we all know and love. I guess those two just highlight the Indy helmet event and think that represented his whole season.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Fix the offensive line and Jacobs will be Jacobs agains
Brandon is a pretty unique back, a big back with size and a willingness to use it and he has speed. The only thing is he needs some room to get up to speed. When our O-line was good he had holes to hit and once he got through the hole look out. When our O-line started to break down, they were not opening up holes for Jacobs, he is not a shifty runner so therefore Bradshaw became more effective because he could bounce from one hole to the next. Brandon still has some good years left, I want Bradshaw back, but if he is not we need a change of pace back to compliment Jacobs.
However if we don’t fix the O-line our running game is going to suck again
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
could not agree more
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
The Indy helmet incident changed the whole conversation with respect to Jacobs. If he didn’t throw that helmet, there is no WAY people are saying the stuff about him that they are today. When he was on the field last year, he played fine. Outside of the ’09 season when he was playing hurt, he has had a very good career overall.
I’m not sure I’ve seen a player put forward such an unusually negative public image though. What I mean by that is, he’s clearly not a jerk. Its also clear he’s capable of being a team guy, cares about winning and doing the right thing… all of that. And yet I think his sporadic emotional tirades really turn people off… the helmet incident I think was the last straw for a lot of people.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jul 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy lets his emotions
do alot of the talking, seems alot of people DON’T like that
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell is wrong with an emotional football player?
We got our butt’s handed to us by the Colts and Brandon was upset about it. I would rather have a guy who cares and obviously hates loosing on the team than some guy who either is getting in trouble off the field or could careless wheather we win or loose.
Brandon is a Giant
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree LfD
their emotions show that they are not just in it for the money. But NY media eats this kind of stuff up and is very onesided on how they view these guys. Heaven forbid they show their humanity
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t listen to the NY media when they start picking on guys cause they were emotional. Hell the NY media ran Shockey out of town and say what you will about the guy we all know he never played a game in the NFL for the money. That guy played cause he loved the game. Giants need an emotional guy like Brandon, we just got to keep his fire going in the right direction!
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't do much more than I do in intramural games
Granted, I don’t have crowds of people to throw equipment at, but I do get heated up if we’re not playing at a high level. Then I go home and play video games for an hour and wake up the next morning like it’s just another day.
Point to my sidebar: I love that he has emotion, as you guys said. The guy spends his entire life trying to be great and win games for his team, can you blame him if he gets pissed when he’s putting his all into it and other people aren’t?
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Jacobs doesnt need anything but more Carries.
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agree with that
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
were those guys fans are the radio hosts.
Because I have a believing that G-Fans would say such things, lol. but if it were the radio hosts, then it’s believable, because all of those guys are Jets fans.
yeah it was the hosts, both Jet fans
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Beningo & Roberts only know the Jets
When I heard them say Boss was “The most important FA we have.” I actually laughed. I love Boss, but it may be the dumbest comment I have heard regarding their team in a while. That being said I am actually happy that Snyder want Santonio Holmes. Not much would make me happier than Rex “the fat man” Ryan losing all of his good FA’s.
yeah when I heard him say Bradshaw is not the most important
I was expecting him to say Smith but when Boss came up, I realized they know nothing about the Giant offense
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes the Boss thing was pretty idiotic
but if i was his defense attorney as i am for Clint Sintim and the other LB’s lol……. i would actually say he is correct, and here is why, if we dont resign AB or SS12 or Kiwi, we still have players at those positions who can be great. If we dont resign Boss, we would have no one to play TE in KG’s system and thats no bueno in a short season. TE might be one of the most difficult and un rewarding positions in this system so i understand slightly when he says Boss is the most important…….maybe he meant Boss’ position is the most important or something.
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Don't Forget Bear
We would have to grab a FB but we could go with Bear and Travis B. Not ideal, but it is an option. Giant’s and Eagles have continuity with coordinators and QB’s in the division. (Dallas has a new defensive guy in “Ryan Lite” as in Miller.) I think that helps us turn the division into a 2 pony race this year by week 10. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking though.
Yea definitley, Bear is that dude.
but in this scheme, it seems to take the TE’s a while to get comfy and know all their responsibilities….look at Boss, he seems to have just gotten it fully, thats why he is a must for me.
I am glad we have Bear tho, cause Beckum cannot be a TE in our offense on every down.
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by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Prolific statement man
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Reports coming in say that the Giants will sign Falcons LB Stephen Nicholas
TEH LBZZZZEEEEEEEEZ!
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
I dont see them bringing in any Backer unless its James Anderson
I really think they drafted two LB’s this year to add to Tracy and Sintim and get this “SAM” thing resolved in house. I think that would be the best move but James Anderson is intriguing to say the least.
He seems like the prototypical Reese guy, solid, athletic, tough, smart, hungry and underrated.
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I'd LOVE to get James Anderson
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
True dat!
Guy can ball! Now let’s keep SS12, work something out with Boss, Osi, let Bernard go, let Bulluck go, see if we can keep Ahmad if not, next RB in line and most def. add a CENTER!
fine with this! praying to keep ahmad though
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
our good friend andiamo stopped by the falcoholic
and they said he has a “great work ethic”
so hopefully he’s better than boley
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
according to PFF
he good at covering TEs and RBs. I think the same was said about Boley, but the NFC East’s TEs and RBs are a different animal compared to others lol.
But I’m hopeful and optimistic.
They do have Kellen Winslow in the NFC South
and whoever the Saints TE is usually is good, so its not like he doesn’t cover any good TEs there.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
James Anderson isn't better than Goff in coverage
and if he is, he still is bad in pass coverage.
Stephen Tulloch is an all around good LB. I’d like the Giants to bring him in, because we could move him to either OLB spot and have him play middle on passing downs, but he might be out of our price rage.
A LB that I can see coming here is Pisa Tinoisamoa. Even though he’s coming off injuries, he does have a lot of experience in the Tampa 2; he’d be a good stop gap.
While Tulloch is my #1 choice
it seems as if the front office is set on bringing in a SAM, not a MIKE
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Goff didn't even play in pass coverage
Look I like Goff but the guy has a long way to go to being our everydown Mike, Let’s see if he can keep improving but we should most definitly bring in competition for him. If he is better he will prove it on the field. No way do we just hand him the job at this point.
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
By me saying James Anderson isn't better than Goff
in Coverage, was me saying Goff and James Anderson both aren’t good in pass coverage. Both of those guys are run stoppers and we need someone to help the middle of the field.
That’s why I brought up Stephen who could play the strongside (covering TEs) and move to MLB on passing downs.
He sure did play pass covergae
what you think all the offenses did us a favor and ran the ball when Goff was in? you dont think they tested him in coverage to no avail
and stop thinking that because we choose to use an extra safety on 3rd down that Goff is not good in coverage, Fewell said that is far from truth….. We simply chose to put a bunch of faster guys out there because thats how Fewell likes it.
You will see Goff all 3 dwns this year, that i can promise you.
Oh yea, by the way, Goff was NEVER handed anything, remember how he got the job?? and remember that Bulluck was really brought in to take the MLB spot but couldnt move Goff at all….. he wasnt given shit and he will have to continue to earn it but from my judgement, he will not be challenged for the mike spot at all.
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what do you want Fewel to say?
If someone sucks, you think he’s going to say that he sucks?
He’s just encouraging Goff. Look at the last Redskins game and Packers game. Both of those teams destroyed the middle of the field.
OMG
Yes a guy like Fewell would certainly say that!!!! he wouldnt sugar coat it like that, if anything he would just say John needs to be better like he says about any other player.
The field being gutted in the middle wasnt due to any of the LB positions at all!!!…..it was because of bad Safety play, why cant you see that??
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Blue Boley was the Linebacker calling the plays in Pass situations not Goff
Goff is the Mike he is not supposed to leave the field on passing downs. Right now Goff is a 2 down Backer and no disrespect to him because I too was pleasantly suprised by his growth but that’s not good enough.
As far as handing him the job I never said it, Our LB’s suck and that’s just a fact. Bulluck was just another veteran stop gap coming back from a major knee injury so Goff beating him out is good however it’s nothing to hang your hat on. Having said that all I am saying is that while Goff is showing us signs of life there is no way he should just be penciled in as the Mike based off last year, he should have to compete again for that position. Hell all our backers should have to compete for their jobs becasue none of them are irreplacible!
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes because Boley is basically a big safety
Putting Deon Grant in for Goff doesnt mean that Goff cannot play in coverage, it means that we have a hard hitting safety who can play in the box as well as he covers.
EVERY TEAM in the league would replace a LB with a Safety in nickle if they felt they could, i mean Spags did it when he was here too. It is just a smart tactic that i admit was a lil over used by fewell. However, it is not because John was bad ion coverage.
You want to know the tell tale sign that would tell you that John Goff cannot play coverage?? here it is, if Goff was replaced by any other LB then that would mean that he cannot be used in coverage but the fact that he was replaced by a safety who is used to covering just means we have the talent to be utilized.
If you want to compare John Goff’s coverage skills to a that of a safety, then i will lose this argument 100% of the time but Grant was a percieved edge in nickle so we used him.
I cant knock your argument Late for Dinner, you have a good point but i absolutely think he should be pencilled in based on last year, no doubt about it.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Tulloch is a mike and would force Goff to switch
Goff is our MLB for the nest ten years IMO….he doesnt get moved unless he CANT MOVE and is on a stretcher, James Anderson is a SAM backer and thats exactly what we “need”, Tulloch would have to play mike because he is a beast and a leader, he wouldnt play SAM for us and Boley is our Wil.
If Tulloch gets signed it would certainly mean that Reese doesnt believe in any of the backers he has drafted in last 2 years and i dont think that is the case.
I would rather Greg Jones and Tracy get opportunities first.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Tulloch can play either OLB spot.
He’s very versatile. James Anderson sucks in coverage, we don’t need any more help in stopping the run. We destroyed opponents rushing attack many times last season. What we do need is help in coverage, and Tulloch is a better in coverage than anyone we have here. Tulloch wouldn’t have to play Mike, and who says MLB has to be the leader?
Greg Jones, Tracy an co. are nothing to put much stock into. None of them were high draft picks, so that means if we have a chance of acquiring players who are better than them we should take that chance.
Yes, Tulloch can play either OLB spot
but Boley cant so there is only one OLB spot Tulloch would be playing, and paying a Sam backer that much money especially if Fewell is on his 3 safety thing again would be insane.
and i say MLB has to be the leader, or at least you would want him to be in a 4-3……kinda why you would prefer the Mike to have the walkie talkie in his helmet, also why the mike lines up the front seven, but what do i know.
You take chances when a position is in shambles like the safety position was before last season, thats when you jump off a bridge but when you have nothing but potentially good candidates for a position that was only on the field 60 percent of the time if that and wasnt really an achillies heal of any sort then you let the inmates fight for the cell before you transfer another prisoner in.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Ray Edwards expected to be an Eagle.
Weird move. Do they lack faith in Graham? weird. I was hoping that they would get Nnamdi, for I can see Eli Manning and co. destroy him lol.
well Graham might be out for the season or at least half the season
with microfracture surgery I think.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
they're probably trying to copy the Giants with all the pass rushers
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 25, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Except they only have one good pass rusher lol
Ray edwards is not going to help that, he will no longer be singled up because of Allen.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Cole is as good as Allen
its really the interior that’s not as good. The Eggs DTs are solid but not Minny’s caliber.
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Cole as good as Allen??
Im not buying that, Cole is an excellent player though.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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That's probably true, Cole is probably a lot better.
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Just because you entertain me!!
Jarred Allen- 8yrs in the league
+ 391 tackles, 325 solo, 83 sacks, 22 FF, 4int
Trent Cole-7yrs in the league (just one less)
+377 tackles, 287 solo, 57 sacks, 11 FF, 1int
at the risk of sounding like a bad Extenze commercial…….. I would say he is a little over half the man Allen is.
Here is a little bonus for ya!!
Osi Umenyiora- 9 yrs in the league (minus one for injury but none the less 9)
+308 tackles, 217 solo, 60 sacks, 28 FF, 0 int
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Oh yea while im here, you might as well take this with you
Jarred Allen did the first portion of this originally as a part of a horrible Chiefs defense in which he was tripple teamed and drunk for the whole time. He accomplished the second part of his glory as a part of an excellent Minnesota defense, more so known for their run stopping but if you know anything about schemes then you would know the Vikings barely blitz. this means everything is on the individual players up front.
Trent Cole is an excellent player but he has always been a part of a blitz happy moving defense that schemed a new blitz each week, he has had way more free pass rushing opportunities than Jarred Allen and more freedom so to speak, so no he is not better…….Sorry
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Especially because they said
they’re going to blitz a whole lot less
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Eagles only got one pass rusher now
Eagles D is their weakness, their D Line (except for Trent) is so-so, their backers are as bad as ours and other than Asante their secondary is weak.
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
DRC should add some stability and speed to their secondary
and Nate Allen was very good before he got hurt. I agree tho, their defense isn’t all that good and they only play out of their asses when they play the Giants, probably cuz they know what Gilbride is gonna call (like anyone doesn’t…)
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If the Eagles are smart enought to grab DRC
Eagles seem to think Kolb is the next greatest QB in the NFL so they think he is worth more than DRC. I would not be suprised to see the Cards go a diffrent direction if the Eagles start asking for the farm for Kolb. I been a Giant fan for well over 30 years and the Eagles always give us problems can’t explain it. However when the Eagles play other teams besides us ther revert to form and blow it every time. Thus the zero championships in the SB era. Factor in Andy Reid just promoted the O-line coach to be his D coordinator and I think you have a disaster in the making.
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwards is nothing special, more of a product of the Williams wall and the attention paid to Jared Allen
and the Eagles seem to get the least out of pass rushers as possible aside from Trent Cole. He’s a pretty good run stopper and a decent pass rusher. Tho I guess for a LDE that’s really all you want.
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by Rorschach44 on Jul 25, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
+100000000
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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by Larry Soprano on Jul 25, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like
Giant camp opens Firday, Free Agency starts tomorrow and players can sign by Fri 6 pm. Gonna be a crazy week. Lets hope Prince and the other rooks can get signed soon as well
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
Yea but this year rookie contracts wont be that difficult
plus teams are not really gonna focus on the rookies because they are the teams property regardless of if they sign or not.
Teams will focus on their own FA’s first and then extending current players because of Cap requirements.
Rookies are not priority unless one of them is slated to be a teams starting QB IMO.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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I agree
FAs are the priority but rookie can’t come to camp until they are under contract. If Friday is the start of camp, then Prince and Co. cant come till they sign
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
As bad as that may sound, it is just bad because we are Giants fans
Prince, Austin and the draft class are all considered depth at good positions for the most part. none of them are projected starters so if they are late it wouldnt kill us.
With that being said, am i the only one that cant WAIT to see the second team defense in pre season?? WHOOO HOOO!!!!
JPP-AUSTIN-JOSEPH-KIWI
A.TRACY-G.JONES-DILLIARD
PRINCE-SASH-ROSS-BRUCE and whoever else is in the secondary
Man i have never been so excited to see a second team in my life…..especially the 2nd team DL (WOW)
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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by Blue Gates on Jul 25, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your not the only one Blue
man that is the real reason to watch these preseason games. Plus the 2nd team offense will have some guys to keep an eye on
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This team is close to challenging for anoher SB
I am praying for some O-line help and Linebacker (or some LB we already like Goff keeps getting better) other than that, we got a deep team
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
you just put that in perspective for me. man, is that some quality defensive depth.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
hahaha
I heard that too
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
fragile sack artist
sounds like he should be living in the Village or Williamsburg.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't that always the rap on Jon Abraham too?
when he was a Jet seeking a big contract? That worked out pretty well for ATL
try to say something that disagrees with Fatcesca's gospel or say something above his IQ
and he’ll how exactly what a fragile person is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Great comparison
Osi is good at wht he does when healthy, does he deserve a raise yes he does. However if he starts causing a seen i hope the Giants give him the Mike Brown treatment, after he does have 2 years left on his deal.
by Late for Dinner on Jul 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO
thats funny!!! but thats all it is.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Been waiting for months to pop this CD in
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jul 25, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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