Sunday Morning Reading Material
by Ed Valentine on Jul 10, 2011 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintI am going to be honest here. It's the middle of July. It's beautiful outside. I am spending the next week or so at our summer place in New York's Adirondack Mountains, followed by a little trek to Maine for a few days. So, I've got my priorities straight.
That said, I'm still going to give you plenty to read here at Big Blue View. Don't worry about that. Following are several New York Giants and NFL-related notes for your Sunday reading enjoyment.
NFL: Salary cap could pose issues for these teams - ESPN
Even though the Giants are $11.34 million over a $120 million cap, they can save $7.5 million if they don't bring back offensive lineman Shawn Andrews. The Giants have plenty of contracts they can restructure, so getting under the cap won't be a problem. The difficulty might be not having too much free cap room for getting into free agency after re-signing key veterans such as Ahmad Bradshaw.
If the Giants are close to, or over, whatever cap number is eventually decided upon that won't be a good thing. To be honest, I have not really thought much about the ramifications of the cap. This, however, makes me think some 'bubble' players will be needing new homes.
Giants have a number of difficult decisions on free agents | ProFootballTalk
The Giants added to positions of strength early in the 2011 draft, which means their biggest needs weren't necessarily addressed. That should keep Giants G.M. Jerry Reese busy when the lockout ends. Here's our to-do list for Big Blue.
Report: Free agents pressing for progress on CBA | ProFootballTalk
The problem for the free agents is that, with each passing day, teams will be less likely to splurge on strangers to their organization, given that the time for preparing for the 2011 season will be shorter and shorter.
Unfortunately, the NFL and the NFLPA* seem to be motivated only by the looming loss of $200 million per week once preseason games are scuttled. Limiting the ability of the teams to prepare for the season and/or restricting the attractiveness of free agents simply isn’t a priority.
Honestly, there is a lot of truth in this. The less time teams have to prepare the more they will want to hold on to guys already familiar with their system and their playbook.
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Five changes brought on by the lockout | National Football Post
The job of an agent is to project and prepare for any changes that may come and make the best of them for our clients. After several discussions with other agents, some NFL brass and even some coaches (don’t tell anyone), this is what I see as some immediate fallout from the lockout and operating on a new landscape.
"I feel like this is the year," Bryant said Friday. "I’m going to be fully healthy, I’m going to be in full effect. I’m just trying to start where I left off at.
"I would show you all what I’ve been working on, but wait until the lockout’s over and that’s when you’re all going to see the full effect."
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Dez=Randy Moss Part II
The guy is a talented nut case.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
With big changes afoot to the CBA it's reasonable to expect a change to how old contracts are handled
Wouldn’t surprise me if they allowed teams to cut guys in a certain window and take everything off the cap including prorated signing bonuses. That could change the entire free agent marketplace. In addition, if teams are forced to drop a bunch of players, it changes the supply and demand equation.
I could see us
Trading Osi and not signing either Steve Smith or AB. Neither Steve Smith or AB are elite players and if the Giants go that route I wouldn’t be upset, because I understand that we do need to save some cap to sign our players (Manningham and Terrell Thomas), and in case a truly elite player manages to escape to FA, and if he could help our team… we should be able to make a bid on him.
Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl without a running back. We’re paying Eli like an Elite QB, so if he can’t win a Super Bowl with 2 sure things at WR… we really need to re-evaluate the players that we have.
dunno
about you. but id sure miss a threat like AB back there despite his fumbles. manning gets play-action due to our run game. At one point for about 4-5 weeks, AB was the leading rusher in the NFL.
Smith has a lot of prove in 2011, but you are right about Eli. He is being paid like an elite QB.
The Pack won a SB without their starter
but James Starks ran for 123 yards in the WC against Philthy, and 74 yards and a TD against the Bears. A running game is still essential to pull out wins. Steve Smith is an elite third down and possession receiver, and his impact on the offense goes beyond his skill set, he has an undeniable connection with Eli to move the chains. I’d rather keep both, but if not I’d keep SS12 over Bradshaw. Rodgers had more than “2 sure things at WR”, he had four good to excellent receivers. Plus an Oline is more important than receivers OR RB’s, so make sure we have that set first.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 10, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
If we go that route
I’d take SS12 over AB.
And trading Osi wouldn’t be any issue with me at all. If he wants a new home, we can give it to him.
"That took some ovaries to do" ~ Danica Patrick
I second this
If he’s is indeed healthy, he is Eli’s security blanket. That allows him to spend time looking at deeper routes knowing all the while he can rely on Smith to be not only where he’s supposed to be but open. Smith make the offense better.
Of course that is if there is a season.
The problem with keeping SS12
is that Manningham is going to be an unrestricted free agent.
Let’s say we sign SS12 to a 1 year contract and he bounces back to his 09 form, what are we going to do with Manningham? I view Manningham as the more valuable receiver because he’s a deep threat like Desean Jackson who breaks down top CBs. Statistically speaking, Manningham was the best deep threat in the league last year.
You worry about that awesome problem next year
instead of creating a massive problem THIS year by letting your QB’s favorite receiver and most sure-handed threat go.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 10, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
bradshaw is alot more important to us than people realize.
-Best pass-blocking running back in the league. Also got the most passing blocking snaps in the league, and was 2nd in pass blocking efficiency.
-Only 7 other running backs ran for more yards
-Top ten pass catching running back
-Top ten in yards from scrimmage
-2nd or 3rd (forget which) in short yardage efficiency and against a loaded box.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 10, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
as of right now, yes.
Simply because SS12 has that injury. Lets not forget it was microfracture surgery, same as Kenny Phillips…and that shit is degenerative.
SS12s BIGGEST strength was his route running…I’d like to see how well he can cut and how crisp he can run routes on that leg first.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 10, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The microfracture isn't degenerative
it was the arthritis KP supposedly has.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 10, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
ah I see I am mistaken.
I thought SS12 had the arthritis to go along with it as well.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 10, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
God I hope not
I haven’t seen anything like that.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 11, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
....top 3?
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
LOL TOP THREE.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
The Pack won the SB because they kept running the ball regardless of YPA.
Plus that had an extra pair of legs that can do damage, they belong to Aaron Rodgers.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
they had*
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Smitty will probably come back cheap
Also, your logic is greatly flawed. Just because a team managed to win a SB without a critical offensive piece doesn’t mean other teams can and will.
I’m of the camp that thinks Bradshaw should be let go, but you can’t just slot Danny Ware in and expect to contend.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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by Syler on Jul 10, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Packers didn't win a SB without a RB
James Starks doesn’t get time and play well, they don’t win anything. Starks is a very good RB, he would’ve gone a lot higher in the draft if he wasn’t hurt the previous season at UB.
Also, Steve Smith is an elite player, as evidence by the complete utter suck of the Giants offense when he was out. We need Steve Smith. I’d rather be rid of Manningham and Thomas (two replaceable players with Jernigan and Prince on the roster), tho I’d rather be rid of none of them.
Bradshaw has elite talent, but a flaw that makes him not elite. As we saw with that nippleheaded RB that retired, its a fixable flaw.
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Most teams are well over 120
the article neglects to mention just how many teams are over the imaginary new cap number. Jets are over by about 5 million, for example.
I think the ultimate cap will be higher than this. Even if team and player salaries are reduced across the board it’s anti-growth.
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Let SS12 go.
There were 2 outstanding possession receivers not drafted this year- grab either Dane Sanzenbacher of Ohio State ( one of the best I saw the last 2 years in college) or Jeff Maehl of Oregon – or as the media says- “great athletes with solid speed who catch everything thrown at them”. SS 12 is wonderful, but, he’s been hurt 3 out of the 4 years he was with the Giants. Let him go- if he wants. But, d’uh, have a possession replacement first.
Keep Bradshaw.
Trade Osi, as the Patriots did with Seymour a couple of years ago, for high draft picks , try and keep Barry Cofield.
Find a real center, either a rookie or as the Giants have done the last 2 times, through FA.
I don't think
JR will pay Barry what it will take to keep him. And Barry is on the record saying he wants to maximize this contract for his family’s future.
JR has only drafted 2 outstanding young D Tackles in the second round the past 2 years in a row. The writing may be on that wall.
Just get it done already...
Agreed. I dont think JR will or should pay Barry what he wants.
Like you mentioned we have 2 young 2nd round talent DT’s. Let them play.
I would also try to pick up Tommy Harris for cheap, and let Rocky go.
"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable"-Mark Twain
why do we need them?
Didn’t we draft Jerrel Jernigan?
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 10, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been coming here daily for a long time and hardly ever comment, but...
Is Jernigan the new Bomar?
Nah Jernigan has the makings of an elite 3rd WR
So if we can’t bring Smith back, there is already a rookie on the roster for that role.
I think he does too, and I guess the hint of sarcasm didn't translate well
But SS12 should be cheap enough given his injury history, and do we really want to count on an unproven rookie? I love the kid’s skill set, he could be a game changer but look at SS12’s stats last year . In 9 Games he had 48 receptions, 29 of which were 1st downs. Can Jernigan do that? We have no clue. By comparison Manningham played all 16 games had 60 receptions and 32 1st downs. I’m not a stat whore, but I’m just saying Even with limited playing time because of injuries, he’s probably worth it unless he wants Osi $. The dude is a monster on 3rd down.
He is most definitly
a monster on third downs. I just hope that knee doesn’t affect him too much. And why don’t you post more often, Pounder?
Just get it done already...
Exactly we can't assume that we are getting 2009 Steve Smith ever again
So the $ matter, and the need for alternatives matter
I'm a self-employed carpenter
So I’m hardly ever in front of my computer during the day. I just read every story to stay informed when i get home.
by PBR Pounder on Jul 11, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Kiwi and SS12 sign reasonable contracts
or they do not sign. It is as easy as that. Giants are willing to take a risk with them, give them incentive laden contracts so if they DO play lights out then they get paid for that. More likely they will play partially to their potential while they rehab.
It is a business I know but if there is not at least some reciprocal consideration, F$#@! em. I really like both these guys but……if they do not meet the Giants halfway, spend the $$ and the roster slots elsewhere.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
The Giants have some tough decisions to make. I personally would like to see Steve Smith return and I think he will just because it makes sense for him to sign a 1 year incentive laden deal to re-establish his value. Bradshaw is going to be looking to cash in and given the shelf life of NFL running backs I don’t blame him.I just don’t see how its going to be possible to bring him back. The Giants already have Jacobs signed to a lucrative deal. Running Backs are a dime a dozen and it doesn’t make sense to invest large assets in the position unless you’ve got a great one and even then you’ve gotta pray they stay healthy and productive through the life of the contract.
by TheBXRepresenta on Jul 10, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think if we have to let go of either SS12 or Bradshaw it should be SS12
because I think it’d be foolish to let Bradshaw go. He’s a future star with a fumbling problem but once that’s fixed he’ll be an elite back and we’re pretty good at WR. But I’d rather we just find a way to bring them both back
Bradshaw is an undersized back with fumbling and injury issues. By elite backs I mean is he ever going to be in the Adrian Peterson , Chris Johnson class ? No he isn’t.but for what its worth he’s a very tough back who can break a big tackles and break the big run. But the question is do you honestly believe that 1. His fumbling issues will be corrected and 2m He’ll remain healthy over the length of the contract ? … Running Backs don’t tend to get healthier as they get older. He’s a undersized guy who runs hard and get dinged up he’s also had foot and ankle problems nd he’s a big bowlegged. Smith has injury concerns but WRs don’t take the kind of punishment that Backs do … I may be wrong but I’m not forking over big bucks to Bradshaw.
by TheBXRepresenta on Jul 10, 2011 11:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
bradshaw
has to have hypermobile ankles bc i aint seen anyone cut like that small son of a gun. def not CJ and AP status. agreed 100 percent.
Better than AP, no
But he can be as productive as CJ. Productive, not as fast / game changing, obviously, does that make him worse ? I dont think so, because he does it in his own way. Like you said BX, the man can make people miss and can put up numbers. The fumbling will be fixed, at least it can be. Unfortunately he does have injuries due to his running style. But at the moment we dont have anyone else on the roster that I would want starting at RB ( B Jake is my boy…. but…. )
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