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Football Outsiders' Research Tells Us Some Things About The Giants

Eli Manning (10) of the New York Giants gets ready for the snap during a game against  the Philadelphia Eagles on December 19 2010 at The New Meadowlands Stadium in East Rutherford New Jersey.  (Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images)

If you have been reading for a while, you know that I use the research done by the fine folks at Pro Football Focus all the time. Well, that doesn't mean that I don't realize our friends at Football Outsiders are still the kings of the castle when it comes to innovate statistical football analysis.

FO has come out recently with a couple of analytical pieces that -- I think -- tell us something about the New York Giants on the offensive side of the ball. FO has a look at the use of empty backfield sets by NFL teams in 2010, and a look at which NFL teams relied the most on using a sixth offensive lineman rather than an extra tight end.

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FO found that, on average, NFL teams used empty backfield sets five percent of the time during the 2010-2011 season. The Giants, however, were well below average in the number of times they used the empty set, doing so only 2.9 percent of the time. The thing about FO's research that is even more interesting is that it shows that the Giants averaged more yards per play (8.6) than any team in league other than New Orleans, which also averaged 8.6, from the empty set.

Before you start screaming about offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride not using the empty set enough -- which I know you probably already are -- consider the six offensive lineman set research by Football Outsiders.

The Giants used the six offensive lineman set 115 times in 2010-2011, or 11.3 percent of the time. Only Oakland (124 times) used the set more often. The Giants used the sixth offensive lineman 31 times on passing plays (that's 27 percent of the time it was utilized, for you math majors).

What does this tell us? It does not tell us that Gilbride doesn't know what he is doing. It tells us that the Giants did not completely trust their makeshift offensive line last season. Yes, Eli Manning was sacked only 16 times last season, fewer than any quarterback in the league not named Manning (Eli's brother, Peyton, was also sacked just 16 times).

The Giants did a lot of things a season ago designed to keep Manning upright, notably often keeping in extra blockers and sending out fewer receivers.

Think about this for a second. We spent Wednesday discussing Travis Beckum's role, or lack thereof in the Giants offense. It's a logical assumption that on many of those occasions when Will Beatty, Shawn Andrews or someone else was lining up as an extra blocker Beckum could have been on the field as an added weapon if the Giants did not feel the need to use extra bodies to keep Manning safe in the pocket.

In all honesty, that probably was the right approach. It is also hard to argue that it was a foolish one. First and foremost, the quarterback has to be standing upright to throw the football. Secondly, New Orleans (105 times) and Atlanta (78), two teams looked at as having explosive offenses, were third and fourth in the league in their usage of the six offensive lineman set. The Falcons, incidentally, were third in the league in sacks allowed and the Saints were fifth. You can't throw when you are buried under pass-rushers.

Obviously, the success rate the Giants had last season with the empty set tells you the Giants have lots of weapons and that Manning operates well from that alignment. It would be ideal if the Giants could get to that set more often. When I look at this, though, it's hard to argue with a philosophy whose first priority is keeping Manning upright, and trying to give him a pocket to throw from.

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That’s it, the point about Travis Beckum: it strikes me that 6 offensive linemen is a pretty limited formation, inherently: there’s not that “double danger” of Shawn Andrews catching a pass, so you’d rather have a tight end in there. If it works as a bulldozer-style run-block though, fair enough. The empty set seems limited as well, as there’s no threat of a running play with Manning; do they use that against teams with weak nickel/dime backs and free safeties (or pass defence in general), to try and pick on their weak points in pass coverage?

As for Manning’s running threat in the empty set though, I’d love for us to use that “fake” play that Indianapolis ran against the Raiders last year when Peyton Manning ran the ball himself about 40 yards down the field. Unleash Eli!

by XYU on Jun 30, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

I do not want to see Eli take off with the ball ever…or do you forget about his fumble against Philly?

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

by wangstu13 on Jun 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends on

the extra lineman.

Remember, Diehl participated in Eli’s passing camps, and turned some heads with his hands. Line DD’s up as the 6th lineman, play action pass, and let the big guy have some fun in the secondary.

by Raptor22 on Jun 30, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I think this is more of a knock on Boss and the other 5 Olinemen.

Becks really shouldn’t be asked to do that.

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Jun 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

true, but. . .

It highlight’s Beckum’s one dimensionality and lack of utility for this particular team.

He’s not good enough to block in a play requiring a block or chip, and he’s not good enough to be the 4th WR on this team if everyone is healthy.

It’s not his fault his talent and makeup are what they are, but he was not a good fit for this team and its scheme, and JR made a mistake drafting him.

Last year we ran more 6 lineman sets because Diehl was a swinging gate at LT and we needed more bodies to establish the run or make a key 3rd and short, especially with the backups out there.

"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."

by AJ_in_VA on Jun 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

well let's address a few things here

the knock on beckum blocking is from the end of the line…

I really don’t know if he’s incapable of throwing a chip block….

in regards to not being good enough to be the 4th WR. I agree.

and I agree that he looks pretty one dimensional when those are the kids’ only options.

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Jun 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keeping him up right

is a sure priority but most his scrambling was done from left side pressure in my estimation from just watching. Mckenzie was fine on the right side…….something tells me that they used a 6 Offensive lineman alot of times to help Diehl when the easy fix would have been to replace Diehl and kick him inside.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Jun 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember

That Diehl missed a bunch of games, and went inside for others. You had a makeshift left side that changed from week to week. Those guys did a good job, and the Giants chose to make it easier on them w/extra blockers. Plus, not having a second blocking tight end once Pascoe went to fullback made the extra lineman necessary.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 30, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very True Ed

But if im not mistaken Andrews did not give up a single sack nor did Beatty when they were at the LT spot at all. If i am correct this would mean that the make shift left side did better than the starting left side, mainly tackle cause we all know richie played well at LG and C.

I see what you are saying, but i dont know, Diehl is making it rough on Eli from that side when he is there and we all know Eli makes it rough on himself alot of times so he doesnt need the extra assistance from his blind side.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Jun 30, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point BG

I am a minority however and still think DD is a quality lineman – at LG. Put him there. leave him there and see what you have for the first six games. When Seubert comes of the PUP after six he can be moved in to start at Center or at LG, wherever TC thinks the need is more dire.

Beatty at LT, DD at LG and Koets at Center for the first six games. Then see what you have.

Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.

by MSP Giant on Jul 1, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes your right MSP

let me rephrase….he is absolutely still a quality lineman, however he is no longer a viable option at LT and this was really exposed last year because another Vet (Andrews) as well as a young player (Beatty) both did better than him…..DD is certainly still a good lineman, i think he could be a great guard when healthy and i even think he would be a dominant RT if K Mack wasnt doing his thing but LT is not for him anymore.

Your suggestion would be fine by me.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Jul 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t doubt Kevin Gilbride too much, he seems to have improved as an offensive coordinator since he initially took over. Protecting Eli should definitely be a major concern because those low sack totals are a little deceiving. He just usually gets rid of the ball quickly was rushed often. Most of his interceptions were the result of him throwing it too early, before he could fully read the D or let the receivers routes develop.

by luibil on Jun 30, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 luibil

He was always being flushed to his right and then he ends up trying to do too much and resulting in a bad play which happened too often for me.

I too think gilbride has improved, however i dont know that he always hasnt been a very very good OC, seems as though TC has let him do more of what he actually wants instead of what TC would do as the years go by. I think thats more of what we are seeing rather than the perception of him not being a good OC buti could be wrong.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Jul 1, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love when we go 5 wide

This stat just proves how effective Eli is on known passing downs. I wish he’d have the balls to change the formation more on the fly and air it out. O-Line is getting long in the tooth, they aren’t road graders anymore. Play to your strengths and let Eli get the ball out quicker, more of a WC offense. We all know Eli has the brains, let him use it.

DWTDD

by buckyyo on Jun 30, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

It's arm more than brains

I think Eli does well when he knows he does not have a safety valve in there. He knows he has to get the ball out, so he releases to the first good possibility. Eli is at his best when he is making quick decisions with the ball.

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Jun 30, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Luibil Right?

Is Eli getting rid of the ball too soon? Is there a stat out there, some “time-from-snap-to-release” statistic? I have always just appreciated that he doesn’t pull a Phil Simms and stand in the pocket till the bitter end. I’d always assumed he had a better sense of pressure than Simms. Or is it that he just keeps a clock in his head?

by Maryland Fan on Jul 1, 2011 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Wish there were stats

on which side the 6th OL was on and the percent.

Also two teams had negative yardage with 6 OL! (San Fran and Indy)

From what I see we tie for second with yards/play with 6 OL

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-John Madden

by Willgfass on Jul 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

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