Spotlight On Travis Beckum: How Good Is He, Anyway?
by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintAfter the Travis Beckum discussion broke out in the comments section of Monday's look at New York Giants free agents, I promised you guys a closer look at the third-year tight end/H-Back. So, here it is.
The basic debate is this: Is Beckum a potential star in the making who has been misused by the Giants? Or, is he a guy who can't block and simply has not done enough to force the Giants to play him more often, and throw the ball in his direction more regularly?
Before I even get into this I am going to take the position that the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
The Giants under Tom Coughlin have been very traditional in their thinking about the tight end position, and Beckum is a very un-traditional tight end. That doesn't mean the Giants don't know how to use Beckum -- it means that Beckum's skills don't fit naturally into the way Coughlin and Kevin Gilbride approach offense.
The flip side of that is that Beckum, now entering his third season out of the University of Wisconsin, has to take advantage of whatever opportunities he does get and make plays that force the Giants to re-consider his role and get him on the field more often. To date, Beckum has not done that. With wide receivers falling by the wayside in droves a season ago there was a natural opportunity for Beckum to make his presence felt -- yet he caught only five balls in the last seven games he played. Beckum has 21 catches over two seasons for 171 yards and two touchdowns, both of those last season. His average yards per catch over those two seasons is a pedestrian 8.1.
Let's take a closer look at Beckum's 2010-2011 numbers, using Pro Football Focus. Beckum played 276 snaps in the 2010-2011 season and was thrown at 18 times with 13 catches and one drop. Eli Manning took 1083 snaps and Sage Rosenfels 20, so that means the Giants ran 1,103 offensive plays in 2010-2011. Beckum was on the field for 25 percent of the Giants' offensive plays. As a rookie, Beckum was on the field for only 65 snaps, was thrown at 10 times and caught eight balls.
What you see there is that Beckum played more than four times as many snaps in 2010-2011 as he did in his rookie season, yet his pass-catching production did not go up accordingly. A four-fold increase in snaps, yet not even double the passes thrown in his direction. Were the Giants ignoring him, or was he just not able to get open? I don't have the film, so I can't tell you for sure.
A question arose in Monday's discussion about Beckum's run-blocking. He came out of Wisconsin with a reputation for not being a capable blocker, and PFF ranked him at -3.4 run blocking in 2010-2011, 29th among tight ends who played 25 percent of their team's snaps.
You can look at the numbers and say, well, Tony Gonzalez was -13.3 (in 1,049 snaps) and Kellen Winslow was -13.7 in 682 snaps. Or, you can look at it and say Beckum would have been -12 or -13 if he had played the same number of snaps as Gonzalez. Any way you slice it, Beckum's run blocking was not good enough.
So, the conundrum for the Giants is the same as it has been since the day they drafted Beckum. Is there a way to actually use him consistently?
Boss is a better all-around, every-down tight end. Beckum is not taking his snaps. If the Giants go to a four wide receiver set Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham and Steve Smith are locks, if Smith is healthy. Then you have Ramses Barden, Domenik Hixon and possibly Jerrel Jernigan or Victor Cruz fighting for a spot. Who comes off the field for Beckum? You can argue that none of those guys should, at least based on Beckum's production to date. What about using him out of the backfield on passing downs? Well, the Giants do have Bear Pascoe, who offers pass-catching ability and is a legitimate lead blocker. That's two skills vs. one.
So, how do you play the guy? You really don't unless he shows up and training camp and starts making plays that simply force the Giants' hand. I have been at nearly every practice of the past two training camps, and Beckum simply has not done that. In fact, in last year's camp he barely practiced due to injuries. That's not going to help a guy force his way into the lineup.
To be honest, I don't think I answered the question I started out to address -- which is, how good is Beckum? Truth is, I really don't know. I honestly don't think the Giants know the answer to that, either. Problem is, there really is still no easy way to get him on the field and find out.
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I never understood the direction that thread took the other day
he’s not your cookie cutter TE….
plain and simple….you gotta work him in. you gotta get favorable match ups.
the fact is the kid can probably get wide open vs. LBs….but asking him to consistently block them is probably not ideal. Nor is it to line him out wide on CBs on a consistent basis.
and whatever happened to using him as an Hback….i’ll never know….oh nevermind, i know why….he got Gilbride’d
FIX IT
Again
There might be some blame for Gilbride here. But, fact is the guy has to force his way onto the field. He did absolutely nothing in trainig camp/preseason a year ago, and has really not done anything to separate himself and force his way into the rotation. If the guy makes plays and doesn’t get run over when he tries to block linebackers he will play more. If he doesn’t, he won’t.
by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand how it was KG
who pegged him as an Hback….
but never attempted to use him as such….
asking him to play like a traditional TE or WR (out wide)….it’s not at all surprising that he hasn’t forced himself on the field more.
he belongs in the slot or in motion….in fact, he should constantly be in motion…from the line…from the backfield….even from the slot. Make it look like he’s going to go for a pass and shift him over to chip someone on a running play.
FIX IT
I think this goes back to what Ed said...
whether you using him as an H-back, slot WR, or a TE, who are you taking off the field for him? He hasnt proved, in my opinion at least, to get more playing time.
He has to learn to block better, you cant just put him in to chip or catch the ball, teams will read that, teams know he cant block.
well...when your asking him...
to function as a WR or an “On the Line” TE….no, I wouldn’t take anyone off the field. I’d sooner have Barden out wide than Becks.
BUT if you are asking him to funtion as an Hback…i’d sooner ask becks to do that over anyone else.
granted everyone has to adapt and handle multiple responsibilites but I also think Coaches should do that as well, and it seems that they knew from Day 1….like literally 5 minutes after he was drafted, he was going to be an H-Back. So chalk up a few plays for the kid in that fashion.
FIX IT
Plays
He was on the field for 276 of ’em last year. Gotta make plays when you are on the field to earn more chances to stay on the field.
by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I was suprised
to read that he was even in that many plays last year, I would not of guessed that, he definitely did not stand out.
he could have played 400 snaps last year
if your not using him right….he’s not going to stand out.
it’s like asking asking a Safety to play Linebacker vs the run.
You’re going to get lost in the sauce….just like an H-back playing out of position.
but that’s just my thoughts, adn I agree 100% w/ ed below….if TC knows his Offense and they knew what Becks was….why did they draft him?!!?!?
FIX IT
I personally think....
that there are too many offensive guys ahead of him….Nicks, Smith, Manny, Bradshaw, Jacobs and Boss are all guys I would like to get the ball before Beckhem. Lets not forget that a lot of fans are calling for Barden to get more field time too, where are all these touches going to come from?
Why did they draft him?
IMO, it was because after losing Toomer and Plax, they had NO idea what they had in the passing game. Hixon has the heart of a lion, but not the body to go with it. SS12 is a solid slot receiver, but hadn’t gotten the chance to prove that he was one of the best in the league, nor that he had the flexibility to be a playmaker outside.
Moss and Manningham hadn’t shown ANYTHING by at that point
Nicks had great potential, but that’s it, and they knew Barden would be a project.
Beckum was a pass catching threat in college, and they didn’t know if they had one or not. I don’t think they expected to assemble the best group of receivers in franchise history.
Draft
I think that’s exactly it, Raptor. They weren’t sure what they had, so they collected as many pass-catching pieces as possible and they are still sorting it all out.
by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
if that's the case than i'm pretty disappointed in JR
b/c essentially your saying they needed someone to catch passes.
so they drafted an Hback
if that was the case, than draft a WR.
FIX IT
its the draft
JR took a gamble, every GM does and every GM looses on some of those gambles. He had a vision for him and it didnt work out.
and not trying to be mean or pick a fight, but would everyone of your draft picks work out the way you thought they would?
I would of drafted Britt over Nicks.
no one is fighting
I understand it’s a gamble.
I just don’t understand drafting a kid, calling him an Hback day one, and not using him as one….
just make an effort ya know….give him some plays. draw something up….i’m not saying take your other players off the field and give Becks 20 snaps per game….but there has got to be a defense that we match up against where we can utilize an Hback….either on goal line or 3rd down…or even an option on a 1st down pass or something.
FIX IT
and who is to say they didnt or dont make an effort?
if the guy is not performing at practice, camp, or on special teams the coaches are going to just throw him in the game to give him a shot. This is not high school football, there are a lot of better players then Beckhum on this team, he has to earn it.
he is still young and developing, just like Barden.
because from what i've seen from the kid
he lines up out wide more than he does anywhere else.
and i’m racking my brain here trying to think of when he was in the backfield or in motion outta the backfield….and i’m drawing a blank. was the TD this year outta the back field??? I think so?
and i understand coaches won’t play a kid if he doesn’t deserve it, but in wk 1 of his rookie year…I repeat…WEEK 1 vs. Washington (i remember b/c i was there and Cweb made a helluva INT)….the kid was lined up OUT WIDE on multiple occassions.
so if he hasn’t earned playing time, why was he out there????
and explain to me why he was matched up vs. Asante Samuels vs. Philly in ’09 in that game when Eli threw a pick at him in the first quarter?
there are better players for that (lining up out wide).
but there aren’t when it comes to utilizing the skill set of a Hback…and that’s his role according to everyone in the organization….
FIX IT
and even in the slot....vs. a CB
probably not the best way to use him.
Make an effort to get him on some LBs and I bet he makes some noise.
keep him on Cornerbacks like Samuels and it will never happen.
FIX IT
The TD he had against the Lions
was when he was lined up as a TE. He started to block as if it were a running play, released, ran across the middle of the field to the other side, and was open for a TD.
think of
how much more effective that play would be if there was more of a threat of him actually blocking.
I like the guy, and hope he suceeds, this is his third year, so hopefully he can step up more, but with a team with a lot of weapons I think it might be hard for him to get more reps, but if he does, Ill be wrong and happy because that means he will be better then some of our weapons now.
got that
but what I was saying if teams know he cant block, that play will not be as effective, because players wont bite on his fake block.
again this comes back to the fact that he is not a good blocker, and probably one of the reasons they dont want him in the backfield, leaving Eli open to get hit, and that is probably why they prefer having Bear back there. Just a hunch though
You know I have had that
thought a few times myself so I went back to my mock from that year(yeah pretty lame but) I had Nicks over Britt b/c of character.
Nicks is going to be a Tim Brown type in thi NFL and that is really friggin’ good
Beckum
should be in another system……like the one the other Manning is running….then and only then will he realize his full potential, it wont be in this offense.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
and conversely
you can line him up wherever, and call the position whatever you want… but it boils down to this: If he can’t at least threaten to block linebackers, he can’t be on the field. I don’t really get the “use him properly” argument. If using him properly means putting him in motion and running routes, there are better options than him on the roster. Personally, I really think they can teach him to block better than he does… and when that happens he becomes useful.
Though I completely get the “why did they draft him then” question. Can only guess that they saw a guy they figured they could teach to block, and have failed thus far.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jun 29, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
every player in the draft has a developmental tag attached. Hindsight, he might of been a good draft pick for the Giants, but I guess JR didnt have his time machine that day.
I think Ed put it best before that they didnt know what they had at WR yet that year, they had a young untested passing offense that ended up becoming a very good group, and they drafted Travis as another set of hands, not sure how he would fit in.
Being On the field and being targetted or having plays drawn up with you in mind
are two different things……… I dont think he is even on Eli’s Radar especially with Nicks, Ham and Smith on the field….. he needs to be part of a spread offense that doesnt have 3-5 good WR’s yet so he can show what he’s got…..he is just on the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to Eli’s vision, especially when Diehl is your LT, there is no time to progress to Beckum.
Excellent talent, can be a very very good player but not in this old school scheme.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
well....
if you are saying that he needs to be part of a spread offense that doesnt have 3-5 good WRs, to me that is not saying he has talent, that is saying he needs to be in a watered down system in order to shine.
LOL 82, No i am saying he needs to be on a team
that doesnt have 3-5 good receivers YET, as in an established sense…..for instance the Bucs or the Arizona cardinals, somewhere where he is not 7-8th on the list of potentially good pass catchers.
he will never see his potential realized behind Nicks,Smith,Ham,Boss,Barden, and even Cruz and now Jernigan, all guys who it would be easier to get involved into the passing game.
I just think being on a team that he can be on the field more as a viable target rather than a talented decoy would be more beneficial for him……. I mean seriously we could just let Pascoe do Beckum’s role and be better off because the expectations for both are far apart.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Actually i am saying very similar to what you said in your earlier post 82
just too many people in front of him.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
yeah, I agree
and I think thats what it comes down too, he is burried behind too many players.
and I agree with Pascoe doing Beckum's role
because I think I would rather have the extra blocker, then the extra pair of good hands
H Back
He was pegged as an H Back by Reese when he was drafted. Problem is, the Giants have never really used one of those. Remember, this is TC’s team, and he has always thought traditionally about the tight end. So, the logical question really is — should the Giants have drafted a player like this, anyway?’
by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
On the money
Knowing the Giants system, if he can’t play the “traditional” tight end position (and I still don’t believe that he can’t) then why even draft him?
Have they tried him at that spot?
Either play him there so we can see how good he is or admit it was draft day mistake.
we didnt get Bear
to play FB but you know what when we needed one, he stepped in and played fullback. I honestly dont think its too far fetched to ask a player to play the position he played in college.
Its not like we are asking him to play LB or saftey, or kick field goals. He was a TE at Wisconsin, so I think the agrugement that we are misusing him is not a good one. I think he is just buried on in an offensive with a lot of weapons.
tough 1
When he’s thrown @ he catches the ball…but he just doesn’t fit our Offense ! Now if they used hiim as an H back where he can chip & release that wld help & hinder as teams wld know we are throwing…if he improves his blocking to just ok…he wld see the field more I think !!
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by Mr.Williams on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The way i look at it...
asking him to play like a traditional TE or WR (out wide)….it’s not at all surprising that he hasn’t forced himself on the field more.
KG may see Beckum as some type of gizmo? You think you know what it is, but how you use it, the results are different.
Beckum will not crack the lineup in a 3-WR set, 4-WR set may be hard also (like Ed alluded to). IMO though, and i agree, it’s the matchups, where Beckum may see the field? At the very least, i’m thinking along the lines of short-yardage, big/jumbo packages. Presumably, he would draw S’s, if not LB’s?!
We'll find out how really good (and how dumb Gilbride is)
when Beckum’s no longer a Giant. Every single route he runs is 20-25 yards downfield, which if fine and all but where he really fits is those short routes that Jerry Reese said he should be running when we drafted him.
I almost would rather see him released and go to a team with an offensive mind that can put 2 and 2 together.
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Funny
But you can say that about a lot of players. Giants have had many receivers over the years — not just in the KG era, who have gone on to success elsewhere after more or less failing with the Giants. Beckum would hardly be the first.
by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
like who?
David Patten comes to mind, but he was more of a depth chart casualty. Ed McAffrey was damn good while he was here and really playing with Elway was why he turned out so good. Joe Jurevicious was OK. Who else? Hilliard?
Beckum’s never really gotten a shot here at all.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that was more of a money thing
and they had Shockey already. No sense paying a backup TE that kind of dough
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25% of the teams snaps last year.....
why are people saying he hasnt gotten a shot? Did you see him stepping up at the end of the year when he was playing with Hagan, Clayton and the rest of the misfit toys at WR. Do you think they were drawing up plays for Hagan? He could of stepped up and he didnt, but he was young, and he still could step up, but its going to be tough.
When Smith was out, Boss' numbers went up.
Was it because Boss hadn’t been on the field until Smith was out? Stop implying that because someone is on the field they were given a shot. The coordinator still has to include them on the play and not use him as some meaningless decoy. The QB still has look to him to give him the ball.
How many times did Eli force the ball to Plax when Amani was open? After retiring, Amani was asked who he preferred as his QB. He answered that he preferred Kerry Collins because he actually got me the ball.
and I dont hide the fact that Im not a Plax fan...
but the fact is in his prime, Plax was more talented then Toomer (Toomer by far had the better career, but Plax was more talented) so yes, Plax got more balls thrown to him.
But that is my whole point, there are too many offensive players ahead of Travis on this team, tell me whose touches are you going to take away to give to him?
Thanks
Brings me back to how this discussion got started anyway…if Boss is not re-signed, Beckum should take his place…there goes his “real” opportunity to be a star…and I think he’ll shine
by 18-1 on Jun 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if we loose Boss...
we still need another TE that can block, unless Travis learns real quick and bulks up a little, I dont think he can be a starting feature TE.
that wouldnt be horrible...
but I think the Giants should and will resign Boss
LOL we are not going to lose Boss, thats as clear as day.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
I agree
I dont think Boss is going anywhere
And you would be correct
I am almost certain we would have drafted a TE if we thought that…….think about it, if he left the team we would then lose the only TE that really knows our scheme, which takes a year plus to master because of Gilbride and his love for option routes where the QB and pass catcher have to basically be telepathically connected in order to make a play.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
but that just proves my point....
Boss’s numbers went up when Smith was out, not Beckhum. He is just burried under too many offensive players. If Bechum was wide open, do you think Eli is going to pass him up because he is a meaningless decoy? I dont see Beckhum running around on the field wide open, to be honest, I think he disappears a little bit when gets in the game.
meaningless decoy?
that seems to be a big part of the Giants offense since all that’s talked abotu is how they miss Plaxico and want him back.
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25% of what snaps?
well..even if it is 25% of the snaps, that’s not much of a shot at all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
25% of the snaps is a pretty good shot....
considering all the offensive guys that are ahead of him on the roster, honestly, who do you want coming off the field so he can get on more? are you taking one of our WRs off? are you taking Boss off? Jacobs? Bradshaw?
They cant just throw him on the field someone has to come off for him to go in, Im not saying he is a bad player, I just dont think he has passed anyone enough to get more playing time.
and you know what, that is fine....
but when you do that, you are loosing a blocker. I personally would rather keep an extra blocker in there, and let our WRs and RBs make plays. Nothing against Beckhum, but I feel safer letting Nicks, Smith, Manny, Jacobs, or Bradshaw make plays for us.
look at it closer...
25% of the snaps, which could either be run or pass plays (I dont have time to look at the run vs pass stats or I would) cut that in half for auguements sake. Then for every pass play you have at least a chance of 3 different receivers. If you break that down Trav had about a .04 chance of getting his hands on some action. Side note: I went into communications so I wouldnt have to take a math class past college algebra, if my logic or math looks off I blame it on the school systems
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
looking at it closer....
doesnt he have to play and make a name for himself even on rushing plays as well? You cant just put him in on passing plays, this all goes back to him not being a good blocker, if he was a good blocker he would probably be in there more, especially last year.
quarter of the snaps is nothing.
we had Derek Hagen and Michael Clayton on the field for chrissakes. No reason at all that Beckum shouldn’t be thrown to.
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looking back at those plays
yea..he was!
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Are you saying that Clayton, Thomas, and Hagan
are better at getting open against CBs than Beckum is against LBs?
well
I think Hagan definitely made more of the opportunity given to him when called upon yes.
Are you saying that Travis was on the roster the entire season, practicing with the team, dressing for games, and then when the WRs had injuries that all the coaches and Eli decided not to throw it to him and to throw it to Clayton, Thomas and Hagan instead? All because they dont know how to use Beckhum?
Just think about what everyone here is saying, there is no conspiracy against Beckhum, they did not hold him back so that Clayton, Thomas and Hagan could shine……you know how silly that sounds?
Beckhum had a gift wrapped opportunity last season to step up and make big plays and he didnt. And if you say that Eli didnt target him enough…….well you know what, young Travis should of made it so Eli had to notice him and throw him the ball.
Yes
Are you saying that Travis was on the roster the entire season, practicing with the team, dressing for games, and then when the WRs had injuries that all the coaches and Eli decided not to throw it to him and to throw it to Clayton, Thomas and Hagan instead? All because they dont know how to use Beckhum?
It’s not a conspiracy. It’s incompetence and stubbornness. It’s forcing a player to play a certain way, regardless of how he can best help the team. The Giants don’t adapt until they have no choice. By then, so many opportunities have passed them by.
did you ever think....
that they didnt want him in the backfield because of his lack of blocking and with the misfit WRs we had, Eli needed all the time he could get.
I know as fans we think we know everything about every player, but we dont, and the coaches know a lot more then we do, you can call them incompent all you want. I dont see you coaching a NFL team, I see you blogging and commenting about how you know so much more and are better then the coaches that have been doing this their whole life. So call me crazy, but I’ll go with what the coaching staff says over you.
Using that infallible logic
If you you’ve never been in office, then you can’t critique a politician.
If you’ve never been married, then you can’t gauge whether someone is in a bad marriage.
If you’ve never had children, then you can’t critique the job that a parent did with their child.
If you’ve never been in a management role at a job, then you can’t judge your boss.
I dont like my boss
but I also acknowledge the fact that I dont know everything she knows from her position and mine. And that she reports to someone else, so there is more then meets the eye
have you sat down with Beckhum
gone over the playbook with him. Watched him practice. Watch game footage with him. And not only Beckhum but with the rest of the team?
Do you think someone that does all that might know a little bit more about him and his game then you? and what you have seen on youtube highlights and read online? I tend to think the coaching staff might know more. That doesnt mean they cannot make a mistake. Can you tell me that you know he knows the entire playbook, that he handles pressure well?
He wouldnt be the first drafted player that didnt make in the league and he wont be the last. We dont know everything about these players like we think we do.
Please stay on topic
Stop turning this topic onto me. Don’t tell me that nonsense about how the coaches know something that we don’t. I don’t need to know everything to know that they’ve made plenty of mistakes.
They’re the same coaches who put Diehl back at LT and O’Hara back at center when the OL had played very well without them. They’re the same coaches who didn’t give Jacobs enough carries and wore Bradshaw out. They’re the same coaches who left Smith in the Vikings game when the game was basically over and he got hurt. They’re the same coaches who inexplicably and inexcusably put Nicks, our most important WR, at kick returner in the GB game.
I don’t have to be Lombardi to know that Beckum should’ve been used more, especially in the 2nd Eagles game. You have an overly aggressive, blitzing defense that needs to get stops. You get your H-back in motion and you dink and dunk them to death. You let them sell out for the sack a la Osi and you throw screen passes over their head to the RB. The Eagles have done it for YEARS to the Giants. The Eagles had a rookie MLB starting in his FIRST GAME. How dense can the Giants coaches be that they couldn’t think of doing it back to the Eagles? Instead they decide to rush the ball up the gut behind a hurt O’Hara and against Antonio Dixon, the guy who single-handedly turned the Philly run defense around last year.
you have it all figured out Ghost
I suggest you start applying for coaching jobs, it appears you would be right about everything, and have all the answers. Undefeated and Super Bowl Champions every year!
send your resume to Jerry Reese, oh wait no send your resume to Mara, you probably could do both JR and TC’s jobs at the same time and do 10 times better, while filling all the assitanting coaching jobs as well. Heck I think you maybe even be more talented and smarter then Bomar.
Have a good day Vince.
not to start anything with anyone
but i distinctly remember a reporter asking nicks why he was a KR for that play, and he responded “i wanted to help us win” its horrible that the kid wanted to try to help us out somewhere else too isnt it?
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
i dont think ghost is trying to come off as a know it all
or someone who knows more than we do. but he has a point, the coaching staff is stubborn as all hell. sure, we have alot of good players, but one, (travis beckum, as we probably figured out by now) is being under used, and he definitely could be used to our advantage, if the coaches ever found a place for him. im not saying he has to be an every down player, but you dont spend a draft pick to have a talented player sit away on the sidelines, so hopefully we utilize this potential weapon before he goes to indy and becomes another dallas clark in the correct system while he laughs quietly to himself, watching gilbride kick himself in the ass
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
or someone who thinks theyre head coach capable*
was my first line in that lil paragraph, or it was intended to be
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
You're one of those people
who ignores the analysis and attacks the person doing the analyzing. I regularly deal with politicians and attorneys who use simpleton tactics like that. I’ll pass on dealing with here.
and you're one of those people
that think you can do everyone jobs better then them, but never actually do it so that you cant be proven wrong.
Why is Beckum such a sure talent? I dont get it, he has never showed anything yet.
I remember when everyone said we were misusing Moss, that he would be so good at the bubble screen and we just didnt do it enough…..well Moss left, and I think he is on someones practice squad now. Im not saying Beckum is a bust or a miss, but as of right now he has not shown anything, and blaming the coaches is just lame, they are not holding back talent.
HAHA Jurevicious n McCaffrey
my 2 fav “white” receivers.
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by Troy O on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is the offensive version of Gerris Wilkerson
Looks good but does not do any thing. Last year to prove himself or time to say bye bye.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
Red Zone threat?
The dude’s 6’3", which is taller than our other receivers (Barden withstanding), and would be able to line up outside or inside, depending on the package. The only downside to that is teams will most likely assume it’s going to be a passing play, since he’s not a great blocker, but that may be why we line him up out wide, so that if he doesn’t block the WR (or whoever is covering him) well, there is the possibility to run the ball up the middle.
Just spitballing here…
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hes really good
just underutilized, get him on the field SOMEHOW
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but Ed pointed that out in the article....
He did get on the field, and didnt do much
It's because they don't use him
When Plax and Shockey were here, Amani Toomer was also on the field a lot. However, he didn’t get nearly as many targets as those two got from Eli.
Hard to say
whether they use him or not. We have no way of knowing how often a guy might be ‘primary’ on a route and fails to get open.
by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing you metioned but didnt really discuss
you said he had 13 catches on 18 attempts. That’s a 72% completion percentage when targeted. His 116 yards over 18 attempts is a 6.44 YPA. That’s not so bad. Maybe not an every down starter, but it seems like we should be able to find a way to use this, if he can improve his blocking.
He doesn't have to be a great blocker
He’s not Boss’ replacement. He’s an H-back. He should be getting passes in the flat, in curl routes, or crossing patterns. That’s why I said that the Giants can’t use losing Smith as an excuse for not getting first downs. The purpose of an H-back is to do just that on passing plays.
That photo above was a 1-yard TD pass. Beckum was lined up at TE on the right and went out on a crossing pattern to the left. Eli threw a bad pass and Beckum went down to get it for the TD. That’s how he should be used.
Beckum was a wasted draft pick
They would use him if he dazzled in practice. He obviously doesn’t. I’m sick of JR choosing players that don’t fit well in the Giants’s scheme like a tight end who blocks like my sister.
It maybe too early to tell......
But he may just not be as good as we thought he would be. He was a tweener TE/WR/HB in college and suceeded with that. But he maybe not have enough of any skill set to be a tweener or any position in the NFL. Thats the nature of the draft, sometimes you dont know what you are getting. I think to make it, he is going have to bulk up a little bit and learn to block as a TE.
Trade Potential???
If he doesn’t fit in the Giant’s system, a simple trade for future picks, or a second traditional tight-end could be a helpful solution. Just because he may not fit in the sacheme doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value.
We do have a second traditional TE already
His name is Bear Pacoe.
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ANOTHER DISCONNECT
There is a sizable rift in strategies between Jerry Reese’s drafting and TC’s scheme and players like Beckum and some others just fall in between the gap.
Can we make him work?? sure, will he work in a traditional TC system?? probably not, well cant we put plays in for him?? sure but that would then tip the defense off in a major way sort of like when we only use to bring in Mannningham for screens and it would always get blown up because it was as Predictable as Giants Vs. Redskins game.
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He definetly has input
but so do about 25 scouts, Marc Ross and a slew of others, i think if he has a major voice in the room but with certain picks you can clearly tell it wouldnt have been his first or second choice, simply based on his old school ways as well as the way the Jags drafted when he ran things.
The board is created by Marc Ross before TC even really see’s it because the scouting dept has the most input, thats their only job….TC though he has great input, im sure any smart coach relies more on the scouts info because the coaches job is to primarily care about who is on the team not who might be on it.
The thing is it seems Reese wants him to adjust the scheme to the players and TC seems like he wants to adjust the player to fit the scheme and that doesnt always work as we can see with Travis beckum……but maybe TC takes the reigns off of Gilbride and lets him do more of what he wants to do.
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bad fit
you knew this guy can’t block, he is a pass catching H-back. Why the hell did you draft him??? He is NOT Howard Cross but he could be Bob Tucker, a pretty good TE on some lousy teams.Don’t let this guy become Sinorice Moss,use him o cut him
Everybody
has their own “guy” that they wanna see get the ball more on offense. Some say Manningham, some say Boss, some say Barden, some say Beckum…etc.
Well…if fans are waiting for Barden or Beckum to be more than 20-30 catch players, they better not be holding their breath. Manningham will get his looks next year with Smith coming back from injury. And Boss doesn’t even get more than 40 catches in a season…how can you expect Beckum to even approach that mark?
The fact remains is that a lot of these guys are only role players, and that’s all they’re ever gonna be. Barden is never gonna be more than the 3rd WR, and even that’s only happening if Smith isn’t healthy enough to hold on to that role. Beckum is never gonna be more than the backup TE, in an offense that doesn’t even use the starting TE much in the passing game.
This offense runs through Nicks, Smith, Manningham, Bradshaw, and Jacobs. That’s not going to change, and to be honest, I don’t know that it even should.
The NFL and NFLPA? They can kiss my ass, OK? They can line up and kiss my ass.
idk how valuable beckum is ...
But I know how valuable he could be especially with SS12s uncertain health. Beckum isn’t a traditional tight end fine .. So don’t waste you’re time using him like one. if I were Gilbride I know Beckum is better than Pascoe so I’d call a lot of single back two tight end sets and flex Beckum out and effectively use him as the 3rd or 4th WR creating a mismatch against opposing linebackers and strong safties.
Or at least that’s what I do in Madden
by TheBXRepresenta on Jun 29, 2011 5:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
me too lol
but all seriousness intended, he does have some size that he can use against smaller DBs to create that disadvantage, so whats the harm in doing it?
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PA Roll outs
have him go across the middle, first downs every time.
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It's times like this
where stats fail us.
We really need some video analysis to make any conclusions.
Anyone have some game on tape and want to splice stuff together?
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he still
hasnt dropped the ball. he never drops the ball.
just sayin
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