New York Giants Notes: Osi Umenyiora, NFL Lockout, Tiki Barber
by Ed Valentine on Jun 20, 2011 8:42 AM EDT
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Like Jeremy Shockey before him, DE Osi Umenyiora could force Giants' hand with new deal or trade
"... it's far from a lock that even if the Giants don't reward defensive end Osi Umenyiora with a new contract that he'll finally get his wish to be traded to a team that will pay him what he feels he deserves.
Whether it happens depends in large part on what Umenyiora does next.
"I mean this is a business," Umenyiora said when he was asked what would happen if he doesn't get the new contract or trade that he says Reese promised. "As we can see, the teams are operating as a business right now. They're doing what they feel like they need to do to maximize their revenue. As a player you have to do the same thing. We only have a short period of time to make as much as we can make, period.
"So honestly that's something we have to discuss with my agent as far as the next course of action if, when the lockout is over, nothing is done. I'm going to have to see exactly where I'll have to go from there."
Moderates Kraft, Mara will be key if season is saved - NFL - CBSSports.com Football
The two men have been a soothing force. When temperatures during negotiations have risen, they've calmed them. When the tone turned an ugly corner, they've helped pull things back from the edge. Most of all, owners Robert Kraft and John Mara have earned the trust of the players.
Two men are going to save the NFL owners from themselves. Save the owners from the extremists and the selfish among them. The owners who would burn down the season for a few extra pieces of gold bullion despite the fact they swim naked in cash for giggles.
Kraft (Patriots) and Mara (Giants) are proving to be the cool heads in a chemically imbalanced owner mix of testosterone, absurdly large egos and billable hours.
The Kraft/Mara influence has already been felt during what have been -- as you'd expect -- the highs and lows of extremely intense negotiations. I'm told by various people with knowledge of the situation that the two have walked that fine line between representing the interests of the owners while earning the trust of the players.
"Kraft and Mara are key to a new deal," texted one player close to the negotiations.
Tiki Barber to Steelers? - Peter King - SI.com
My educated guess, and maybe a little more than that, is Pittsburgh will be Tiki Barber's landing spot this summer when he tries to return to football after four seasons away.
The Steelers have a head coach the Barber family knows well -- Mike Tomlin is close to twin Ronde Barber after coaching him in Tampa from 2001 to 2005 and also knows Tiki. Tomlin wouldn't be afraid of the sideshow Tiki Barber might create, nor would he be shy about pulling the plug if the 36-year-old back couldn't beat out the likes of Mewelde Moore.
Albany businesses dreading a summer without Giants - NYPOST.com
Whenever the lockout is finally over ... | New York Daily News
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I have no objection to Osi making such comments
They are business and not inflammatory. Much better than the affidavit submitted.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 20, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions
Business maybe, but bad business?
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Nope
As long as JR hasn’t suffered a head injury, he’ll react accordingly
In light of the suit they are part of, the affidavit isn’t even a shot at the Giants. It’s an attack on the antitrust front.
Totally disagree. No matter what the ultimate purpose the affidavit serves, it’s still a direct shot at the Giants’ GM.
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http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
Not so
JRs hands are tied, Osi clearly states that, the case is that JR can’t keep his promise, not that he doesn’t want to.
For all we know JR feels the same way, that he wants to extend, or trade him right now and that the lockout is causing him to lose the opportunity.
It’s a shot at the lockout, and every owner
No way. If I’m Jerry Reese, I’m highly pissed.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
by JimmyK on Jun 20, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I'm JR i'm patting myself on the back
what did Osi “expose” or “make public” here?
that JR is a smart man? and that Osi doesn’t have a leg to stand on according to their “verbal agreement”?
Sure he can piss and moan about a contract but what people fail to realize is that he was pissed about his contact for the past 5 years….
those that say, hey we shoulda just traded him last year….who’s to say that he would have played for a new team on this current deal???
and than at the same time, how can you say that he’ll be adamant and will only play for a top 5 DE salary?!?!
I just think if they’re playing Chicken….JR is gonna win….by a landslide…and no it’s not ideal to have Osi sit out….but I’ll call his bluff….and I won’t pay him a dime….
So what, maybe they don’t get their ideal #1 pick when they do trade him…but they’ll get something close….and they won’t have to pay Osi jack.
JR 1 / Osi 0
FIX IT
The new team would've given him a new contract
It’s the same thing with Cofield. The Saints were going to give him a new contract. They didn’t agree on the numbers but it was still a new contract offer.
Also, I think that in any negotiation, you say the outrageous stuff first, in case the other side is stupid enough to agree to it. If they don’t, then you start to come back to reality. Osi can say top-5 DE money as much as he wants but it’s just a starting point. If the money is in the neighborhood, he’ll be fine. My issue is that as a Giants fan, I don’t want to give him a neighborhood contract either.
As Beanie Sigel so eloquently put it
“Shoot for the moon. If you miss, you still amongst those stars.”
agreed
and I think Osi is doing just that…and I think when the time comes he’ll smarten up pretty damn quick….
and you gotta check out that J. Cole “Friday Night Lights” mixtape…kid is a beast.
FIX IT
I'm starting to feel old
I don’t know what’s going on in the game anymore. I hadn’t even heard of J. Cole until you mentioned him. SMH.
Well I'm in highschool and I havent heard of him
But that is probably because I am more of a Hank Williams Jr type guy
J. Cole is a beast
But i don’t think Jay-Z is managing him correctly.
J. Cole is where “gangsta rap” meets education. That’s the best way I could describe his style of rapping.
I think people are getting confused about this
As you pointed out, “the case is that JR can’t keep his promise, not that he doesn’t want to.”
I’m having a hard time understanding what the fuss is about.
this is what it sounds like when the birds cry
right
It seemed crazy to me at first when that letter was released because it made no sense. However in the context of “I’m being financially harmed because I’m not being allowed to negotiate a new contract” it makes more sense, and fits with the players side of the lockout lawsuit stuff.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jun 20, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
But and I'll add that it's true for every team that has a player as a named litigant in that case
It is an airing of team business, which is never good.
But what choice do the players have, owners have forced this. I guess players could just accept the owners terms, but that would be really stupid.
in defense
Of Osi…I have read his statements…and in them he says “No promise has been broken ,because of the lock out,he & the giants can’t talk..”He’s a plaintiff ,so he’s trying to show how the lockout is affecting his livlihood! The post has the full write up..Osi makes very good sense !
Kudos to Mara/Kraft ….its always a Mara that comes to the rescue !
true Giants fans have a Love hate relationship with the team
by Mr.Williams on Jun 20, 2011 9:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are the Giants playing the steelers this year?
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 20, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
To my knowledge (no research done)
No RB Tiki’s age with the number of seasons away has made a successful comeback
If he can come back as a low paid 3rd down back it will be a huge achievement. The Steelers might be a fit, Big Ben needs a safety outlet, to reduce the number of bone jarring hits he takes.
Nope, NFC East plays the AFC East.
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I want to play against Tiki...sigh...I wish he'd just sign with the Jest
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 20, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he won't make it till week 16
If you want the Gmen to take him out you should hope he signs with the Rams, Cards, or Seahawks.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Jun 20, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if we make the superbowl
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I swear I didn't see the above comment before I typed this
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
my question is
what about peyton manning and tom brady affidavit?!
+1
exactly omfGiants, Kraft has even said that he knows that this is all business, but it does hurt him to see Brady’s name on the affidavit.
Also, with this lockout, it hasnt allowed JR to extend or trade Osi, and this would of been the offseason that he verbally agreed to do it. Osi knows this, Jerry knows this. This is just a move by the players union…..oops, I mean the players association that is not a union?
Mara
Is pure class just like the Giants
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
by costanza! on Jun 20, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Please Mr. Mara
For the love of baby Jesus in his golden fleece diapers, end this lockout!
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
Goodbye Osi
Don’t let the door hit you on the butt on the way out. I wonder what we could get for him in a trade, a second round pick?
well
Osi isn’t going anywhere ! Nor does he want to leave !
true Giants fans have a Love hate relationship with the team
by Mr.Williams on Jun 20, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, premature.
But I just don’t think this will amount to much and Osi will be chasing QB’s for the Giants this fall with or without a new deal.
Just get it done already...
He’s going to be 30 in November, which hurts him, but the 10 FF alone are enough to make some teams very intrigued. I think that if you take all the contract stuff out of the equation, a good team looking to win now that thinks it will be drafting in the back half of the first round might give up a 1. But I don’t see any way in hell a team gives up a 1 based on what Osi expects to be paid, so I think you’re probably on target that expecting a 2 is more reasonable.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
i don't think 30 is the magic number for DEs like it is for RBs.
many ends have had fine success after 30 – Strahan, Reggie White to name two. so i don’t think his age will work against him as much as say his later injury concerns in his career and the outlook that ppl have that he’s a sieve in the run game. age won’t be the determining factor in what type of money he makes going forward, hell Peppers just got more money guaranteed than Osi’s whole contract, and he’s older!
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I agree that 30 isn’t crazy old for DE’s. I’m just saying it’s old if you’re considering giving up a 1st round pick. A 1 is a major investment. Teams want their 1’s to be good players for a decade. You’re getting more of a sure thing with Osi, but for much less time. If it’s 27 year old Osi, it’s a no-brainer. 30 year old Osi will give you a lot more pause.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
but it also depends on how far the team thinks they are from contending
veteran laden teams like say the Colts, or the Pats, may think they’re one piece away from contending, and with an older QB like a Brady or Manning will be like we’ll worry about the future in the future. of course those two teams won’t do it(colts have 2 monster ends, and Belichick doesn’t sign big money players) but its just the example of that one piece away mentality.
and then you always have Skele…i mean Al Davis, and Dan Snyder….
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
The money will not be the issue
That presumes the team will trade for him and then negotiate. It’s not done that way, it’s what makes him worth the #1.
He may want top 5 DE money, but the only way to get a Peppers contract is to play out your contract and take the risk that SS12 took. Then it’s a bidding war. If we looked at the last 5 DEs to sign extensions, we’d get a much better idea. If he was a free agent he wouldn’t get Peppers money coming off hip surgery.
Remember he was talking about a conversation he had years ago, before his knee surgery, before the bad 2009 season, before hip surgery. Is it even remotely possible that he realizes that the last few years haven’t exactly skyrocketed his value?
When I play madden franchise
with a team that’s not the Giants, i usually trade for him.
Good thing I’m not a real GM haha
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
David Tyree says he would trade the "Helmet Catch" to end gay marriage.
…regardless of your position on the subject, I’m tired of ex-Giants in the news.
Tyree, Burress, and Barber. SMH, please go away.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 20, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
I agee BBI
stfu end this lockout already it is starting to get like a soap opera up in here.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
indeed.
this has been the most painful offseason in recent memory
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I say that every post season
this is what it sounds like when the birds cry
by pataroons on Jun 21, 2011 1:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that tyree comment...
may be the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard….
anarchy all of a sudden just because they’ll be able to be married?
how will it really be any different than it is now?
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 20, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Just shows his head hit the ground too hard.
One of the most ignorant comments I have heard.
I am ashamed that he is associated with the Giants.
Lewis Black (the comedian) said that Bush was elected on such fear. Good god fearing Americans might be eating dinner and gays guys would sneak into their homes. Then duct tape the entire family and have anal sex (he was more graphic) in front of them, ruining the American fiber.
And Tyree wants to give up the helmet catch to prevent that? It would be hilarious if it was not so sad.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 20, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely no interest in turning political here
But on Tyree- if he didn’t catch that ball with his helmet, no one would give a lick about his position on gay marriage. He would have zero interviews and much less influence. He seems like a good guy who caught a break, he should never wish that away (if for no other reason than that he’d be robbing me of the best spurts moment of my life.)
this is what it sounds like when the birds cry
by pataroons on Jun 21, 2011 1:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tyree needs to STFU
I respect everyones religious beliefs but I can’t stand those that wear ther religion on their sleeve, that usually means they are hiding somthing.
by Late for Dinner on Jun 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The mental image of Al Davis
swimming naked in cash for giggles has permanantly scarred me for life.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jun 20, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
i haven't been totally keeping up with this stuff...
so thanks for the good post/conversation…i need to get on here more often.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Jun 20, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
Blegh
I know you have to post them Ed, but Tiki please just go away!!!!!!
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
this
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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