Report: Osi Umenyiora Says Giants Broke Promises
by Ed Valentine on Jun 16, 2011 12:10 PM EDT
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ESPN New York reported this morning that New York Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora will file a sworn affadavit to be filed in federal court in Minnesota next month as part of the players' antitrust lawsuit against the NFL. The affadavit will detail Umenyiora's claims that the franchise lied to him, and that he wants out of New York.
This is an ugly turn to the offseason for the Giants, and one I know I didn't see coming at all. We know that Umenyiora has been unhappy with the Giants in the past, and that he made a lot of headlines after the 2009 season when he aired some complaints about the way the Giants were treating him.
Now, Umenyiora is directly challenging the integrity of Giants general manager Jerry Reese. The ESPN story also indicates that Umenyiora has moved out of his New Jersey home. Mike Garafolo of the Star-Ledger pointed out that Umenyiora has been unhappy with his contract since shortly after signing a six-year, $41-million deal in 2005.
Via Twitter, Inside Football's Pat Traina has also offered some insight into the Umenyiora situation.
Pat says she is "not surprised" by Umenyiora's stance, and that he "often looked like he was struggling to hold back" when talking to the media.
Pat also points out that Osi has little leverage here, since he has two years left on his contract and just had hip surgery.
I don't know Umenyiora at all and I have to defer to Pat for any insight into his previous frame of mind. This whole thing does not sound good though, whether or not Umenyiora has contract leverage. The last thing the Giants, or any franchise, needs is an unhappy player who is questioning the credibility of the leaders of the franchise and potentially dividing the locker room.
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Poor baby
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
"The man who does not comply with the Pastfarian belief is a man not worthy of the afterlife"
Mozzarella 17:3
I like Osi, but
I think Bill Parcells said it best when he wants players who are going to be Giants. Osi, you gotta figure out what you want to be. Players today are too whiny, and besides everything else they haven’t even had a chance to renegotiate his contract due to the lockout…. Get a grip
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ah fuck
sorry ed, i think this story warrants swearing. so much for our d-line depth that we all dream about at night.
that’s why i caution y’all, don’t go talking about our roster during offseasons like its set, and will be that way come opening season. this ain’t video games, things occur.
i’m not happy with this at all…..
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
HAHA, he better go the carson route
otherwise he can just rush his unhappy ass off the edge all year lol, he will be okay, he signed the contract, thats not there fault and something tells me they were actually going to take care of him this year, especially with Kiwi’s uncertainty.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
It wouldn't be the offseason if Osi didn't start bitching
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Jun 16, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The bottom line is: He's gone.
Hate to hear that. When all the Eagle’s fans say, “We got a better team,” our response always bares, “We got THE best D-Line.” Looks like those days are over.
Not only does this kill our D-Line, it kills Tuck, Kiwanuka if he gets healthy, and puts 10x the pressure on our already struggling secondary.
This is awful.
Why won't god let us beat the Eagles?
by lilgiantadam on Jun 16, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
we still have JPP
and if Osi is out its more likely we take Kiwi back or that means more playing time for Tollefson, who’s probably got 8 sacks in him (pause) if he gets more PT.
We still have the best DL. Tuck is one of the best 3 in the NFL, if not the best.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Tuck played all of 2008
without Osi and was all-pro with 11 sacks. Him along with JPP, Kiwi on a one-year deal maybe, Dave Tollefson as number 4 ain’t too bad. Not to mention the DTs too.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he is not gone....
he still has two years on his contract, I dont think he is going anywhere
Yup - two more years under contract
If the Giants decide to keep a talented malcontent then the question becomes does Osi have enough integrity and pride to play well when only making about $4 million.
I think yes. Giants keep him until they know better about Kiwi. Once Kiwi is proven to be whole, then Osi gets traded.
Works for me.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
after all
i did hear the comparison “jpp looks like osi on crack” so once he gets a feel for what hes doing, his bigger frame and similar skill set to osi’s will have us forgetting all about it
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
The real killer here for the Giants is that Osi is saying he should be paid like a “Top-5 DE,” which is going to kill his trade value. I respect the hell out of his pass rushing ability and the fact that he set a record for the most forced fumbles in a season last year, but he’s extremely one dimensional.
Personally, if I’m a GM and we’re talking about ability alone, I’d strongly consider giving up a 1 for him. But if I have to also pay him “Top-5 DE money?” No effing way.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
hold up....
a player is overrated himself and asking for more money than he’s worth.
has that ever happened before?
FIX IT
I understand the sarcasm font. I’m just don’t understand the comment as a whole.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
“I’m just don’t”
Ugh
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
Cause players routinely negotiate the crazy talk in the press
Then when they have to decide whether to sell the house and Porsche or sign a contract they come back to earth.
So I’d say any GM that likes his talent will be given permission to try and negotiate an extension for him, and then trade for him. He’ll probably bring a 1st and maybe a 3rd too.
His agent
isn’t Drew Rosenhaus is it? He might demand to Osi be a player/GM if he is!
by eyerish9299 on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy question...
Easier to get a 1 for Osi if he’s demanding to be paid like a Top 5 DE, or if he’s not demanding to be paid like a Top 5 DE?
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http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
unfortunately this
I feel like this could turn into a cofield type situation that he had with teh saints….trade all but done but couldn’t agree on financial terms
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn… Missed the historical precedent. Good work.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
will this be front page on blogging the beast?
if not, i’m cancelling my subscription post haste.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Ha, I had something up about Osi literally 20 minutes after Schefter’s piece was posted. Tomorrow, I’ll have the following pic from one of our BGN commenters in my morning links, haha:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/ - Eagles
http://bloggingthebeast.com/ - NFC East
hahaha
not bad
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.
that was more toward the mccoy comment tho
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
but when did Barry ask to be paid like a top 5 DT?
and at the end of the day….it’s Osi.
I mean, the guy is gonna talk….i don’t think too many GM are even paying attention considering they can’t….
and who knows what his compensation requirements will look like in a week or two…or even tomorrow.
i mean…it is Osi
FIX IT
Seriously?
You don’t think GMs are listening to players complaints just because they can do anything about it this moment? I think you forgot your sarcasm font cause that is absurd.
what exacatly
is so unforgivable here?
a player is asking to be over paid….during the off season.
what exactly am i missing?
this happens every year….
FIX IT
Definitely possible
BUt that was OK too
Barry played quite well
Giving up a 1??
Naw maybe a 2 and a 5 but never a 1 for Osi
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
A broke down TE got a 2 and a 5
a pass rusher who just had 12 sacks in a season? Yea…a first is definitely possible.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
indeed, its possible
but this thing that he just filed takes away a bit of leverage
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Osi really has no leverage
He can’t afford to walk away from the NFL, check the Vincent Jackson saga, Osi can file a civil rights violation suit it won’t matter
I meant leverage versus the other teams that Reese had
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The other teams know the score
They know that Osi isn’t getting huge top 5 $ without playing out his contract
That’s the game, take the risk go free agent get paid, Albert Haynesworth won, Steve Smith lost
Short of Osi releasing pics of JR in Weiner poses this doesnt really affect his value.
Man Osi is a pain in the ass
41 million contract. Sounds good to me. Just shut up and play every year with this crap sheese.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
While I think Osi is a very good player who gives much
my reaction is to tell him to shut up or shove it.
If he becomes a disruptive force, trade him.
I have no time or patience for someone whining about making 41 million over 6 years.
Anyone here feel sorry for him?
And exactly what are the promises broken and where is the evidence?
On second thought, who cares just STFU. NOW!
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
JPP time?
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
"The man who does not comply with the Pastfarian belief is a man not worthy of the afterlife"
Mozzarella 17:3
I hope Kiwi is healthy
because i would rather he start anyway if Osi is gonna keep doing this.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Ed..
you stole my thunder!!
I don’t want to see Osi walk, but I’m tired of his mouth. He was a MONSTER last year and that might bode well for us. Osi doesn’t technically say he asked for top 5 $, just that Reese said he would get it. After a monster year Osi would be great trade bait.
aww holy #@%&
where did this come from?
by Oppenheimer919 on Jun 16, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
I would wait till the lockout ends
Screw giving the NFL money right now, soon as this lockout is lifted though….
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
already got one
boom
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
I almost just nunchucked you. You don't even realize.
Not shocked... Trade him
for a high draft pick (would like a 1 but a 2 is more realistic). Resign Kiwi to a one year deal to prove he is healthy.
But the main question to ask is….. You down with JPP?
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
JPP, how can I explain him
I’ll take you sack by sack it
To have y’all jumpin’ shall we singin’ it
O is for Offense, P is for Pressure scratchin’ temple
The last P…well…that’s not that simple
by eyerish9299 on Jun 16, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing wrong with expecting a one at this point
the draft just occured and picks are devalued a bit (for whatever reason). Plus those idiots in Philly think their not so hidden secret of a POS QB Kevin Klob will get a 1st.
Osi had 12 sacks last year. That’s a 1st round pick worthy trade, no doubt.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I thought Klob
was worth two #1 picks?
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
two #1s and Patrick Peterson
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Meh
this early in the season, before the lockout is over….he’ll probably get some more money, but I doubt it will be top-5 DE worthy.
We’ll explore trade options but if we don’t get at least a 2 for him, he ain’t going anywhere. Especially when he finds out nobody will be giving him top 5 DE money.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
If Shockey is the yardstick
He’ll be dealt and bring in what’s expected, at this point a 1st round pick. He still has 2 years on his contract, he’s going to take less than free agent $$
exactly
Reese knows the value of his players. He won’t pull the trigger if the price ain’t right.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He made this personal!
“In early April 2008, approximately two weeks before the start of the New York Giants offseason conditioning program, I, Osi Umenyiora, had a meeting with the general manager of the New York Giants, Mr. Jerry Reese. After about an hour of discussing my current contract, as well as the contracts of other defensive ends currently playing in the National Football League, Mr. Reese told me that two years from the start of the 2008 league year, if I was currently playing at a high level, we’d either renegotiate my current contract so that it would be equal to that of the top five defensive ends playing or I would be traded to a team that would do that. Before leaving the meeting, I asked Mr. Reese twice if he was absolutely sure that would be the case. He then told me that he was an honest and church-going man and that he would not lie, which I believed to be the case. Under the penalty of perjury these statements are true and accurate.”
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does he not understand
he got hurt in August 2008, missed the whole 08 season. Then slow to come back in 2009. Had a big bounce back year in 2010. If I’m not mistaken, didn’t he have a hip surgery last off season? Now we are in 2011 and in a lockout, where the team can not restructure your contract or even talk to you. Like omfGIANTS said… Relax man
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
omfGIANTS said it first, but its a point Osi does not understand
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Osi
In late August of 2008 you tore up your knee. You didn’t play at a " high level "in 2009 because of a hip injury. In 2010 you played at a high level. That leaves one year left for you to perform at a high level before Mr Reese pays you big bucks. Also, you’re almost thirty, injury prone, and have a potential all- pro backing you up … business and friendship , big difference.
well
At least he wrote it himself. I can tell because it makes me dizzy to read it.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jun 16, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
osi
Has to remember he was out the whole 2008 season and was horrible the 2009 season cause of health and now where in a lock out so he doesn’t kno what the giants were going to do!!! Relax osi, let have a season before your demands
by omfGIANTS on Jun 16, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
this is now 2 players that have had beef with Jay Arrah
where there’s smoke? i’m just saying.
in JR i still trust however….
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
who was the other?
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
shockey i think, right?
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
oh right
well shockey was a doosh anyway.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup
but he was our douche, and i was heartbroken when he was gone. just like i’ll be if osi gets his wish.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
that's true. I had his jersey and his rookie card.
He was not well liked on the Giants though.
when I went to training camp, I put duct tape over his name on the jersey, and I got a ton of laughs from the players and a bunch of autographs lol.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
such a great move
good to know the players could have a good sense of humor about it, too
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
I don't want to trade Osi
But we should be compensated extremely well if we trade him. Osi is not a top 5 DE in this league. He isn’t even the best DE end on his team. He is a top 5 speed rusher in this league, however his weakness in the run game shouldn’t be overlooked. If we can get a first then I would do it.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
i know what position
they’re taking in the first round next year.
by Lolmoarpl0x on Jun 16, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless...
Quinton Coples pulls a Marvin Austin and falls to the 2nd, in which case: Burfict in the 1st, Coples in the 2nd…
Awesome
dude. don't get me excited like that.
Burifict is a monster and a half.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
this will blow over....
I think its just player leverage with the players union….ooops I mean its not a union anymore. He has two years left on the contract, he is not going anywhere.
Agreed, it will blow over.
Unless another GM makes JR an offer he can’t refuse.
Just get it done already...
So we'll probably get a second
rounder at best…
or pats
Not sure how he’d be with a 3-4 tho
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
"The man who does not comply with the Pastfarian belief is a man not worthy of the afterlife"
Mozzarella 17:3
Probably great
he gets to face more RB’s and TE’s than LT’s
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Rams
for every question of where will (insert ex-giants name ) go, St. Louis always seems to be the answer.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jun 16, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
send him to the panthers.
Atleast we know it will be a high pick.
"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable"-Mark Twain
Sigh
Why did he make it personal.
Reese has to trade him now.
Agreed
Calling the GM a liar in a sworn affidavit assures that he will not wear Giants Blue again IMO.
Watch the door on the way out, OK Osi?
Go Giants!
Lesean Mccoy
CutonDime25 Lesean McCoy
Overrated n soft 3rd best d-line on his team honestly RT @AdamSchefter: In a sworn affadavit, Osi Umenyiora says (cont) http://tl.gd/b5b8gd
Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
"The man who does not comply with the Pastfarian belief is a man not worthy of the afterlife"
Mozzarella 17:3
Wow
Pretty bold. I’m surprised he said that during the lock out. You’d think the player solidarity thing would keep guys from sniping at each other in public, even rivals.
Tuck is obviously our best lineman, but who is the other guy he rates over Osi?
Go Giants!
Gotta be getting tired of this guy...
Between him and Jacobs, the heads are way TOO big. You know what boys, say what you will, football will always be here, the fans will always be here, but guess what, you’re replaceable. You’re like a used car. You get old, you wear down, but you just don’t want to believe it. Maybe he should have gone into the Army first. That’s when you find out you never believe ANYTHING unless you have a signature. Too bad Osi. Send him to Oakland for some of those cool shoulder pads the fans wear…you know, the ones with the spikes.
by LightningCoach on Jun 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Here's my take:
I’m pretty sure its a lockout non-issue blown out of proportion by BSPN.
He wanted the contract extenion prior to 2008, when he severely broke his leg. They aren’t going to give him money if there’s no guarantee that he will be worth it. In 2009 he was playing a sub-par (for him) level. He stepped it up and played at a pro-bowl/all pro level this past year, and probably would have gotten his money if it weren’t for the lockout.
The Giants made it perfectly clear that they aren’t going to do any major business when the future terms aren’t clear (resigning Hixon and DJ Ware isn’t “major” business).
THAT’S why Osi is a plaintiff. If there wasn’t a lockout he would have gotten paid, and paid well.
Osi will be here next year, and he’ll get compensated as one of the best at his position.
by Raptor22 on Jun 16, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Disagree
The only way he plays for the Giants again is if they force him to honor the final two years of the contract. JR and ownership will never give him an extension now. Calling JR a liar in a signed affidavit will NOT sit well with Mara and Tisch. This isn’t just a case of loose lips and frustration. It’s a calculated move to force them to trade him to someone that will extend his contract.
Personally, I wouldn’t have resign him beyond the two years anyway. They have him over a barrel. That’s why he is so frustrated. Too bad. Not every contract must work out best for the player. Sometimes the GM gets the best of the player and agent. Deal!
Go Giants!
It's not blown out of proportion
When Umenyiora is calling his team’s general manager a liar in a legal document. He has been unhappy for a long time. What it comes down to is he thinks he is on one level as a player, the Giants think he is on another.
by Ed Valentine on Jun 16, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that was like 3 years ago
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
I almost just nunchucked you. You don't even realize.
Ahh.. well, he did only play like 3 games last year and I practically forgot he was still on the team.
by uberfunction on Jun 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought when they moved him to standup DE/LB hybrid last year it seemed ideal
He got to play his game, he may have been a LB, but he played it like a 3-4 LB.
this is exactly the type of thing that makes people complain about pro athletes
Osi has a $41 million contract and he is bitching about wanting more. Are you kidding me? His whole argument here is that he was promised more money provided that he was playing at the level of a top 5 DE, which he is not even close to, so he really has no argument yet he continues to complain about it. He has wanted an extension pretty much since he signed his current deal so why not blame your agent for not getting you the deal you wanted? Its not the teams fault that you signed a deal then immediately wanted a new one. You are not a top 5 DE and therefore you don’t deserve more money. It is that simple. I’m sure you can find a way to get by with your $41 million.
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
I almost just nunchucked you. You don't even realize.
He has absolutely no leverage in this and $41 million (minus 35-50% taxes and agent) is a pretty decent amount for the output he gave us. If he wants more money, play harder and tell your agent to land more endorsement deals. If he still believes he’s a top 5 DE, he should watch the NFL Networks Top 100. Not even his fellow peers agree with him.
by uberfunction on Jun 16, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they aren't giving up a first when they just draft Robert Quinn last year and have Chris Long on the other end.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If memory serves me, Spags is a pretty big proponent of rotating three or more DEs. Chris Long isn’t nearly the stud they thought he’d be, and Robert Quinn is a rookie at a position with one of the biggest learning curves. If the Rams believe they are on the verge of a big step forward it’s conceivable they’d be willing to give up a first for Osi.
not saying it isn't possible
but I doubt they give away another 1st for a defensive end on rotation. Their other DE, George Selvie, wasn’t terrible as a rookie. They have James Hall as well.
I think there are other teams that are probably bigger suitors
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, I suppose Osi just magically forgot about
the fact that he was out all of 2008, and complete garbage in 2009.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Again...
As I have said every year, why the Giants haven’t traded and don’t trade Osi is completely beyond me….
This was completely foreseeable forever, then the hip thing over and over again….
Pass rushing DE’s are a commodity that bring HIGH returns on the market – we HAVE replacements for him – why not deal him and get rid of the stench that keeps wafting up every other year……
Its time to move on, he is an effective ONE DIMENSIONAL player that compromises our defense. I for one am ready for someone that plays the run as well as the pass. Bring on JPP and Kiwi. Trade OSI for a starting quality linebacker or high draft pick and lets get on with it.
You trust Kiwi at this point??? I don't
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
because they wanted to wait a couple years to see his performance go up
if they traded him away before last year, he would’ve gone for peanuts.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
My reaction:
meh.
Osi bitched and moaned last year and stayed here. He’s in court and he has to make his story as personal and as much a sob story as possible in order to make the courts more likely to side with his side.
Even if this doesn’t blow over, I challenge him to find a team that will pay him top 5 DE money. Also what everyone above said, he was out in 08 and played below average in ‘09. He did great last year, but that wasn’t two years! And if you don’t like a contract don’t sign it!
When training camp starts and this is still a problem, tell me. Until then, mehh.
Osi acted like a perfect citizen last year though, I wonder where that went…
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
So let me get it straight
Giants redo Osi’s contract after only 3 years in the league, they offer him a 6 year 41 million dollar offer, Osi signs the contract, than get’s pissed off at the Giants becuase Freeny got 70 million and 30 million of it is garunteed. Sounds to me like Osi needs to fire his agent who obviously did not do a very good job at the negoiation table
I love me some Osi but I don’ feel bad for a guy who made 31 million dollars in the last 5 years and oh yeah he only played 4 of those 5 years cause of injury… Come on Man
by Late for Dinner on Jun 16, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
anybody ever see osi's house on cribs?
that episode of cribs makes me never want to hear osi cry about money ever… go somewhere else you little bitch cause you just lost me as a fan…. TUCK AND JPP IN 2011
by The Blood of Eli on Jun 16, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
This is a Non Story
Osi has 2 years left on his current deal and unless someone wants to give up a lot the Giants have no reason to deal him. What’s he gonna do dog it ? All that would do is hurt him when he’s going for his next contract and if he loses playing time he’s never gonna get Top 5 DE money sorry kid … Hed have to pull a Shockey to get out of here
by TheBXRepresenta on Jun 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
bye bye osi
Osi is a pain in the ass who can’t defend the run. SHUT-UP and play,or hit the road. You sign a contract than cry,who forced you to sign the contract??
i'll take quinton coples pleez
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 16, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
why would they pick a DE
if Osi’s gone, they’ll need a DE. They don’t pick based on that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He's been injured, inconsistent, and his attitude has a lot to be desired.
What’s he thinking? I hope they can get something for him. Drafting JPP seems huge now. Maybe Reese knew he couldn’t rely on him. Hopefully Kiwi can come back.
I'm sure at one time he was promised
but that was before all of his hip problems. He needs to grow up and realize the reality of the situation.
I know the guy had a lot of sacks last year – but he’s not a dominate pass rusher. Why? The guy disappeared in the big games last year when we needed that sack – Philly, Tenn, GB… Getting 3 sacks against the Skins is nice but just doesn’t carry the the same weight as coming up big when we needed it.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Well,
Osi has been lying to us about his skill-set for years. One-dimensional end who draws the run to his side when he plays three downs because he gets run time and time again.
His first really productive season in years was 2010, and quite frankly, I think he owes us more than one before saying he’s owed top dollar for his services. Look at the three seasons prior to 2010:
2007: 13 sacks, but if you take away a six sack performance against Eagle’s rookie Winston Justice (making his first start), you have a pedestrian seven sack season.
2008: Injury.
2009: 7 sacks as the third defensive end in the line-up.
Even in 2010, if you compare Tuck and Osi, you see how one-dimensional Osi is:
Tackles:
Tuck: 48/28 solo and assist
Osi: 33/15 solo and assist
Sacks:
Tuck: 11.5
Osi: 11.5
Tackles for Loss:
Tuck: 9
Osi: 2
Forced Fumbles (and recoveries):
Tuck: 6 (5)
Osi: 10 (1)
Why renegotiate the contract of a guy who might just be your third or fourth best defensive end? JPP is more talented and versatile. Kiwinuaka is questionable, but prior to his injury, was definitely starting over Osi.
Giants should deal him. He’ll likely never duplicate his 2010 season given his attitude.
Quite a different take on all this:
Umenyiora, 29, is one of the plaintiffs in the Brady case and gave these statements to NFL Players Association lawyers to show the kind of “irreparable” harm being done to players by the lockout.
Which just means that Osi is saying that the league is causing him irreparable harm because the lockout is preventing him from restructuring his deal with the Giants and/or trading him. The sworn statement is not meant as ‘JR is a liar’, it’s meant to say that he’s fairly certain a new profitable deal/trade would be in the works for him if it weren’t for the lockout.
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jun 17, 2011 4:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thats BS...
If he kept his mouth shut and went to JR after the lockout and brought up the original conversation, he could still get that nice deal. Now, not so much!
He's taking the Shockey route
absolutely blast mgmt but not the team so you can get out of town.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
It wasn't a slight against our management
The NFLPA is using him as one of their cases for court. That’s all…
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
No BS at all
No case is complete without evidence. LaCanfora says that Osi filed his sworn statement as (part of) the evidence for the players side. The ‘JR is a liar’ is typical headline journalism. The statement is nothing more than evidence in a court case. At least, if you read it as LaCanfora presents it.
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jun 17, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You may be correct but
I don’t care. He is not in a position to be saying such things and should not. He is not Peyton, Brees, etc.
Nobody put a gun to his head and made him do it.
He should shut up for the good of the team. Yes, Osi, you are not the only person on the Giants, there are others. And no, you do not deserve top 5, not close.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 17, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He is not in a position to be saying such things and should not.
Actually he is a plaintiff in the case and as such should give evidence to strengthen his/the players position in it.
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jun 17, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand he is a plaintiff
What I meant was, he is not good enough to be whining. Nobody forced him to be a plaintiff.
I personally would have withdrawn rather than make derogatory remarks about my team (yes, that includes management). The lockout will be over but the bitterness of his comments will remain and hurt the team spirit.
Legally he can but that does not make it the right thing to do. He makes himself sound like a fool overstating his case. Read all the comments on this article, you won’t find much defense of him.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 17, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The other thing to remain cognizant of
is that Osi repeatedly whines. It is not just for the lockout. He is a permawhiner, never satisfied. Not appropriate for a guy who cannot play the run.
Enough, either shut and play or be traded. Which probably won’t happen as stated above. He is not going to get top 5 pay while the Giants get a #1 pick.
BTW, if anyone has the PFF numbers for Osi vs Tuck and other top guys, that would be objective evidence. Well, objective as PFF is anyway.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 17, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, which is why I wanted to present this different perspective
If someone were of a charitable disposition, said someone could read the entire episode as Osi saying something like this:
Yes your Honor, the lockout is causing me irreparable harm, because it’s preventing mr. Reese from making good on his promises. He always does that you know, make good on his promises, he goes to church and all…
If someone were of a charitable disposition…people evidently aren’t because it’s known he’s done this before and that he wants a better deal. I’d rather just shrug this entire affair off as just part of the larger business dispute that’s going on and not as a personal attack on Reese and/or the Giants. After all, giving this evidence is precisely why the NFLPA wanted him as a named player in the first case.
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jun 17, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't make sense
According to Osi’s statement, he was supposed to get a contract at the beginning of 2010. How does a lockout in 2011 affect that?
maybe because even Osi acknowledges that he hasn’t played well/consistently at a high level for the two years after the conversation?
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jun 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
hehe, like I said, I’m not sure, maybe the statement is meant as evidence of the monopoly the NFL is maintaining or some such instead. NFLPA wanted Osi for this statement from the getgo though if I understand Schefter correctly:
The NFL Players Association feels Umenyiora has suffered irreparable harm, which is one of the main reasons it sought out Umenyiora as one of the plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL antitrust case, which the former union filed shortly after decertifying. The NFLPA plans to file the sworn affidavits of select plaintiffs in the lawsuit.
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jun 17, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I usually think Osi b*tches and whines.
(wthout reading TOO much into detail) He is right. If JR promised him a pay raise by 2010 seasons end or whatever. Than he should have got it. How much is he getting paid right now? I know it isnt a whole lot in comparison to other talented players. And at his age, he got to be thinking logically, and logic says this last payraise, which im sure he has been anticipating since the “claim” JR made to him, may be his last big contract as a player in the NFL. I’d be upset too.
He may be a prima dona type player..or maybe he does rate himself higher in his own mind than in reality. But on this team, hes a player who can have a huge impact. The least we can do right now is entertain him and re-assure him that contract ngo will begin as soon as the lockout is removed. If he really is trying to get paid like a top 3 dlineman in the LEAGUE. Than lets trade this guy for some value at the LB / OL position(s). Even though the thought did come to me that his “b*tch fit” he’s throwing is lessening his trade value. Maybe, on purpose?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
*if he was playing at a high level
and i dont think being sidelined in 08, playing below average in 09 help the cause. im not trying to take away from his awesome play last year, but two years of damn near uselessness is not a high level of play in the NFL. id ask him for one more year of the same play that we seen this year, and then i wouldnt have a problem giving him more money
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
Enough with the Osi is bad in run defense non-sense
is everyone STILL living in 2009? His run defense in 2010 was very solid. He stayed home, didnt get washed out of plays, drew holding calls, and made TEs look silly blocking him 1-on-1
Look at his game against philly (the 1st one) when they tried running at him a lot, he tackled mccoy like 3 times at the line. Or the last game of the season against the redskins. he’s become more disciplined and much, much better at shedding blocks.
He has i agree
I think it had alot to do with his hip, now i think he will be fine going left and attacking the run instead of always looping right in order to over compensate for that hip……. however, he is really not that good at protecting his LB especially a smaller wil like Boley who is behind him. Osi is a fine player and its not that he cant play the run its that he wears down against it very quickly, more so than most DE’s…… the problem is the 3rd and 4th quarter but we have Depth than can help that.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
For a player who thinks he's a top-5 DE
he was inadequate. I don’t know how you saw “very solid” from him.
like everyone says...he's still under contract
if he starts going koo koo then well, he’ll hurt his chances of ever getting that big pay day – but if he starts playing is butt off and gets in on everything, win for the team… he acts up at the same time…oh well, just brush him back…
he starts getting the team split? then trade him (his value will be down) but we hopefully get some good trade value back for him and we still have JPP to anchor the other side…
no biggie…
OSI is just trying to get back to being OSI… lol
That's just Ridiculous!
Grow up Osi
I’m sure Osi was smiling the day he signed that $41 million contract. Be a man and live up to it. If you don’t like it, fire your agent. The Giants didn’t stick a gun to your head and make you take the deal!
If we use the Pittsburgh model for GM'ing..
This would be the PERFECT time to trade him. He had a really good season and let’s face it, it is highly unlikely he’s going to do it again. Move him now and we could probably get a 1st rounder for him. The new cba WILL have a rookie wage scale. With Cofield, Kiki, Tuck and JPP we’ll be just fine.
That might be good but
Cofield is most likely gone.
Kiwi is an unknown in terms of current ability to play as well as in the future.
As for trading, I would be OK with it if we get a #1.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 17, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of chatter here...too much whining that the man who caused a record 10 FF last season needs to go
No one really knows what was said behind closed doors. Osi may have been told that he could get his contract restructured. Due to the lockout this hasn’t been able to happen for him. The NFLPA is using Osi as one of their top plaintiffs, as the NFLPA must feel his case is stronger than most (only 10 cases being made). This is purely a legal situation and if there was no lockout, JR would have likely restructured his contract, then again maybe not. But the point remains that the NFLPA needs Osi’s case and his lawyers told him what to say and the media most likely interpreted it however they could to get the most out of their own headlines/agenda. What I do know is that if and when we play the Eagles it will be with a grudge. We haven’t beat them in quite some time and all our players know that. They will be coming after Philly next year like their lives depended on it. Better watch out Vick, cuz ole Shady just fired up that BIG BLUE WRECKING CREW.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm in disagreement with most of you here.
Osi may not be a top 5 de that I will agree with but he is certainly a top 10-15. He is not being a douche and has owned up to the fact that he was out in 2008 and had an off year in 2009. Read the following article and see what he really says and feels.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/06/giants_osi_umenyiora_on_eagles.html
By the way… I love me some Steve Smith!!!! Way to stick up for your guys even when the league is locked out and you have no contract. He is True Blue!!!
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