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New York Giants Notes: Who Really Knows Anymore?

Executive Director of the National Football League Players' Association (NFLPA) DeMaurice Smith leaves the Thomas F. Eagleton U.S. Federal Courthouse after the NFL lockout hearing on June 3, 2011 in St. Louis, Missouri. NFL players and the league met in court today for a federal appeals hearing on the legality of the three-month-old lockout.  (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, talks between NFL owners and players nearly "blew up yesterday." Yahoo! Sports, meanwhile, paints a more optimistic picture, with players expressing optimism regarding the "progress" that has been made.

So, I guess the point is, who really knows anymore?

Source: NFL talks 'almost blew up' Tuesday | ESPN.com

To say this is going to be done in two weeks, one source said, "is borderline insane."

With that, it seems quite plausible that the lockout will drag into July, effectively extinguishing the optimstim of the past few days. Additionally, much of Schefter's story centers around the role the lawyers on both sides are currently playing. In the winter, concerns persisted that the lawyers were controlling the process. But after they were removed from Tuesday's talks — NFLPA leader DeMaurice Smith reportedly told his lawyers to "stand down" — that clearly wasn't the case.

With lawyers removed from the direct negotiations, the process was said to be getting back on track and to be in a good spot. The scenario Tuesday is an example of how tenuous the talks can be and how quickly they can be derailed.

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Brees, other players react to progress | Yahoo! Sports

"I know that we've been talking pretty extensively over the last few weeks," said New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees, one of 10 players whose names are on an antitrust lawsuit against the league. "It seems like things are moving in the right direction, which is very positive. It's what we always hoped for as players because obviously we're getting to crunch time here."

Here's the more optimistic report. This one, obviously, focuses more on the players and their perception of the progress that has been made this week.

"I think everyone kind of has that feeling, that this thing's starting to end," said Bengals tackle Andrew Whitworth, the team's player representative. "I feel like that's the attitude that everybody has, and you can see everybody preparing that way."

One year later, Hixon ready to return | NYDailyNews.com

"Every year is an opportunity," he said. "You never know what will happen. And the thing is, with my injury going down last year, all of a sudden doors open for other people. You never know what will happen. You just prepare yourself as best you can and when you have an opportunity, take advantage of it."

Here's some good news all Giants fans can agree on. Precisely one year ago yesterday, receiver/returner Domenik Hixon tore his right ACL on the Giants' first day of practice on the new FieldTurf at New Meadowlands Stadium. Hixon endured a "very long year" as he watched his team fail to reach the playoffs for the second consecutive season.

But now, Hixon is back in action, catching passes from quarterback Eli Manning at Bergen Catholic High School and eagerly working toward regaining his old spot on the depth chart. Hixon told Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News that his knee feels great, and even like it's back to normal again.

"You know, I actually kind of felt that probably around a month (after the surgery)," Hixon said after the final day of the team's "camp" last week. "So it was really about getting my spring back, conditioning, endurance and everything else. It's feeling better and better."

Vacchiano also touches a bit more on Plaxico Burress, so be sure to give his Blue Screen blog a read if you haven't already.

Super Bowl Hero: Gay Marriage Will Lead to 'Anarchy' | FoxNews.com

We've given you some updates on Giants-related involvement in the same-sex marriage issue currently developing in New York over the past few days, with Michael Strahan and Steve Tisch joining forces with New York Marriage Equality. Mike Farley also presented the opposing views of former Giant David Tyree in yesterday's notebook, and now the Super Bowl XLII hero has elaborated on his stance.

"This will be the beginning of our country sliding toward ... it's a strong word, but anarchy."

Remember, we present this as news without sharing any of our opinions or political beliefs. Please be respectful in sharing your own.

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I wouldn't be too surprised

If after all these positive rumors, talks break down, and there is a half season

Respect thy brother and thy noodly appendage.
"The man who does not comply with the Pastfarian belief is a man not worthy of the afterlife" 
Mozzarella 17:3

by espnsucks on Jun 16, 2011 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry

I gotta peace out for a while. I can no longer get excited about- how good our Def is gonna be, or what a great draft we had, or how our players are recovering, acting, practicing, etc etc etc.

This lockout sh*t has to end, and when it does I’ll pay attention again but until then I just can’t deal with them any more.

See ya then

Of course that is if there is a season.

by Flynner on Jun 16, 2011 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

A confederacy of dunces

Agreed.

I have been reading less, caring less. Hard to keep engaged.

Ed et. al. are doing the best they can but it is near impossible, especially the updates. Makes me sick reading the crap coming from both sides.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.

by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

+2011 or 2012

Ill be fishing until they figure it out. If I wanted pointless drama between rich ppl in my life, I would just watch Housewives with my wife.

by hit_hard on Jun 16, 2011 8:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It may be that anarchy has led to Canada which has to gay marriage

Or something else silly like that.

Clearly Tyree has been channeling Glen Beck too often or he hit his head too hard on “the catch”.

I support everyone’s right to opinion but not when it abuses the rights of others.

Shut up Dave, you can be against the concept but not the people themselves. Please tell me what makes you a better person than them.

Dumb.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.

by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 16, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Opps, wrong conversation

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.

by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 16, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm increasingly convinced

that most of these reports are contrived, or at best embellished, to illicit contrasting emotional responses from us, simply to generate hits.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if most of these reporters are getting both positive and negative reports, and emphasized the alternately. Two weeks ago, they set us up with lots of talk of a bleak future, and an 8 game season. Then things were days away from being done. Then things were about to explode! … but they’re still making progress!

Its like a bad episode of the old Adam West Batman…

Na-na-na-na Na-na-na-na-na LOCK OUT!

by Raptor22 on Jun 16, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

The same things have happened in the past during contentious negotiations

I still think that the deal will get done, too much money on the table

by trueblue63 on Jun 16, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

It may be that anarchy has led to Canada which has to gay marriage

It may be that anarchy has led to Canada which has to gay marriage
Or something else silly like that.

Clearly Tyree has been channeling Glen Beck too often or he hit his head too hard on "the catch".

I support everyone’s right to opinion but not when it abuses the rights of others.

Shut up Dave, you can be against the concept but not the people themselves. Please tell me what makes you a better person than them.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.

by UnknownJintsFan on Jun 16, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anarchy? Really?

When was the last time any federal legislation resulted in anarchy in this country? I mean REAL anarchy like fire in the streets and looting and mass chaos around the entire country. Cuz some countries do actually have that. Very poor choice of words. There are places that already have legalized gay marriage and I’m guessing in those places…no anarchy.

It’s getting old now. All this extremist thought that the president or any other branch of government has enough power to enact something that would cause nation wide anarchy. Don’t we have enough history yet to show that checks and balances works well enough to prevent that?

We don't play for the wild card around here kid

by Jaybat on Jun 17, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the legions of Osi supporters

and all of the people who bashed me.

ESPN NY

Whenever the lockout is lifted, the Giants will face a critical decision on Umenyiora, who has two years left on a contract that is scheduled to pay him about $3.5 million this season.

For now, it appears as if Umenyiora has made up his mind. The 29-year-old Umenyiora recently moved out of his New Jersey home with plans to take up full-time residence in Atlanta, where he has spent much of his time over the past six years.

by GhostDini on Jun 16, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

so what's the problem?

he’s going to hold out? So what.

we’ll trade him….wouldn’t you sooner trade him now after a bounce back season….or should we have traded him last year after coming off his worst season ever?

This has nothing to do w/ Osi vs. Kiwi.

Like I said, Kiwi doesn’t even factor into this….

it’s JPP….Osi sees the writing on the wall….how could anyone not?

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Jun 16, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who said anything about Kiwi?

I thought it made sense to trade Osi but I wasn’t saying it just because of Kiwi. I always felt that Osi was a malcontent who would never be satisfied with his contract. I said that if he had a big year, then he’d want a new deal. If he had a bad year, then he’d have no value.

As for his value, I’ve already shown that Osi could’ve fetched a good price in a trade last year. How do you know that we’ll get a good trade for him this year? Now everyone knows that he’s unhappy and wants out.

by GhostDini on Jun 16, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

well i just don't understand

what this has to do w/ anything.

Osi can be a malcontent….he still showed up and did his job….and he did a good job and he did it at a good price…whilst raising his trade value

he was a malcontent in the off season last year as well….

are you suggesting that because he wants to hold out that we shoulda delt him last off season?

b/c I disagree….and I don’t see how this changes anything.

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Jun 16, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that I knew Osi would escalate his rantings

unless he was given a big deal and I didn’t want to give him a big deal. I said that if he had a big 2010, he’d make noise in 2011. As such, instead of waiting for him to bitch and moan about it this year, I would’ve traded him last year. Here we are and he’s making noise.

Now you might say that he made noise last year but it’s not the same thing. He was talking nonsense in Feb. and March but he came to camp as a team player. He was a good teammate all around. That wasn’t the case in 2009 when he walked out on Sheridan. Kiwi and Pierce said that his outburst took away any credibility that Sheridan had and it affected the team for the entire season.

To me, filing an affidavit is like the Sheridan outburst. It completely changes everything. Putting the Giants on blast in official court documents isn’t a “so what?” move to me. It’s the kind of move that will be very hard to overcome.

by GhostDini on Jun 16, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

the writing is on the wall....

he’s making a last ditch effort to secure another deal.

is he delusional? yeah. Is he an ego maniac? yeah.

Ghost…whatever we coulda got for him last year we can get for him this year….IF NOT more!

I mean, JPP is solid but wasn’t ready last year….Kiwi got hurt….(i know hind sight is 20/20)

but I think JR did exactly what he was supposed to do here….exactly!

I’m still glad we had Osi’s 11 sacks and 10 FF last year….

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Jun 16, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't dislike Osi

and I’m grateful for his production last year. I just felt that with our talent on the D-line, playing Kiwi at DE (and healthy) would’ve been just as good. He wouldn’t have had as many fumbles but I was predicting 12+ sacks and he would’ve been better against the run.

Also, an extra pick or two would’ve been nice.

by GhostDini on Jun 16, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

but looking back

can we really complian about how this played out?

we can still get an extra pick or two…

yes, an extra pick yesterday > an extra pick today

but I’m glad how this unfolded.

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Jun 16, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has more value now

The 2 years on his contract are gold. He may want a new deal, but it means he wont get a free agent type deal. Those $$ translate into trade value

Then toss in his sacks and forced fumbles

I think he nets a 1st and more right now. Of course it depends on how high a first, but he has great value right now.

Before I think the best we could have done was a mid range #2 (he was unproven coming off surgery)

by trueblue63 on Jun 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade em to Atlanta for a future 2nd

or maybe a first (maybe both, they like throwing away picks).

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jun 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

After jumping up 21 spots

Does Atlanta have any valuable picks left for 2012? Even if they have a 2nd, that could be a mid/late round pick. At the very least, i think Osi could warrant something better?!

by Hootman on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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