New York Giants Notes: More NFL Draft Notes
by Mike Farley on May 6, 2011 7:14 AM EDT
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PrintIt's always nice to come away from the NFL draft feeling good about our Giants and how they picked. Last year, I remember we were all annoyed with Al Davis for snagging Rolando McClain before we could, and questioning the Jason Pierre-Paul first round choice. Then, of course, we chose a punter, and as Giants' fans we rolled our collective eyes. But this year was different. And while I didn't know much about South Florida LB Jacquian Williams and couldn't find much on him as I relayed the pick to all of you in BBV-land, this article should answer a lot of quetions many of you have....
NFL Draft 2011: New York Giants draft pick Jacquian Williams' long road to the NFL - ESPN New York
There were NFL scouts watching his every move and Williams didn't want to ruin any shot at getting to the next level. That's when New York Giants general manager Jerry Reese said something that not only put Williams' mind at ease but also inspired him. Reese asked Williams how great it would be if he and his old college teammate, Jason Pierre-Paul, were reunited in New York.
What impresses me most about Williams is his utter indifference to contraception--I mean, three kids with three different mothers at the age of 22? Yikes. But seriously, I came away feeling good after reading this. It sounds like Williams has a strong work ethic and really values being re-united with JPP, whom he played with at both high school and college.
New York Giants WR Hakeem Nicks on Marvin Austin: 'A good addition' - ESPN New York
The off-the-field issues were the reason he dropped to the Giants at the 52nd overall pick. Austin told reporters after he was drafted that he is not a bad person. The Giants concurred. "He's definitely not," Nicks said. "He's a guy that just goes after it on the football game. He loves the game."
I love that Reese consults with current Giants players about their former college teammates, and I still love the Austin pick as great value in Round 2.
New York Giants' Pat Hanlon tweets to Rex Ryan: 'Talk is cheap' - ESPN New York
The Jets organization released a statement Sunday night saying, "We'll let Pat enjoy his 15 minutes." Hanlon responded to the Jets' statement, saying, "My 15 minutes has lasted almost 20 years. I happen to work for the best owners and greatest organization in professional sports. I hope they all feel the same way after 20 years. I know the Jets invented social media, particularly Twitter. We're just trying to perfect it."
Damn, that was a low blow by the Jets, but maybe that's why Hanlon made the comments he did afterward. Pretty funny stuff, but I hope Ryan doesn't continue to fan the flames as he promotes his book. But we all know he will.
Tiki Barber discusses motivation behind his attempt to return to the NFL - NYPOST.com
The emptiness paralyzed Tiki Barber to the point where getting out of bed to face the day was overwhelming. One of the greatest New York Giants of them all barely could move. There was no drive, no incentive, no reason to go anywhere, be anywhere. No real purpose to serve. Tiki Barber, his football exploits ended by his own accord, his marriage dissolving and his television career in tatters, was melting down.
I know it's extremely hard to feel sorry for Tiki, but I did, for about five minutes after reading this article. But only for five minutes. The guy just brought it all on himself. Okay, pretty soon I'm going to have to declare a personal moratorium on Tiki, but for now there isn't much news to glean from.
Jim wrote Thursday about Bob Papa being let go by NFL Network, and this reaction by Bob Raissman of The Daily News is spot on, using words like "despicable" and "gutless." Right on. And now, I bid you all an excellent weekend of Derby watching or whatever it is you have planned. Oh, and don't forget to be nice to the moms in your life, especially the ones who, like my wife, so awesomely take care of our kids.
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Oh crap is mothers day this weekend?
Great line by Hanlon BTW
this is what it sounds like when the birds cry
by pataroons on May 6, 2011 7:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Utter indifference to contraception
Thats a great line
I lauhged too
than was sad
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Maybe its actually sort of a good thing
I mean what better quality for a linebacker to have, than when they arrive somewhere everyone yells QUICK HIDE THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN
by Oppenheimer919 on May 6, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
3 kids to 3 moms at the age of 22?
Yay we drafted a complete knucklehead!
The kid is a stud
Literally!
He gained 18 pounds since the season ended. That’s pretty amazing. Maybe he’s a late bloomer. You can’t teach speed. If he can be a ST demon early on, then he might be able to earn a roster spot while he learns how to play linebacker. He could be the “diamond in the rough” for JR this year. You never know. But all these kids have great stories this time of year, so I’ll temper my enthusiasm till we see him in a preseason game and see what he brings.
Go Giants!
Quick weight
usually isn’t good weight. I’d venture a guess part of why Greg Jones was still sitting around in the 6th round is because he put on bad weight and his play suffered. I’m not excited about hearing of another LB we drafted late that was a small fast guy bulking up with bad weight.
Mother's day is going to break the bank
As long as he can remember their names…I’m talking to you CROMARTIE
sigh...
I'll bet Osama bin Laden really regrets buying that iPhone now...
what was he?
8 by 8? thats tough… dude should be lucky to not have AIDS. Cuz im sure those aint the only ones he went raw doggin in.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Former knucklehead
Hope you read it, cuz he actually takes care of his children, unlike cromartie, and is still working on getting his degree.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
yea, doesn't seem like he's that sort of knucklehead
and plenty of blame should go to the other side as well.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Let's hope so
Let’s also acknowledge that the media is looking to generate as many feel good stories about these draft picks as they can right now because that gets sight visits. There is going to be a lot of fluff around these guys until we really get into the season (if there is one) and see who is even going to make a roster.
Condoms are overrated
At least its not Antonio Cromartie
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
This guy has changed
From partying every week to a Man who just wants to give his kids a great life and earn that money by playing football. He WON’T be an off-field concern
Carl Banks made a good point on draft grades
two, really:
1. The only grade for every team right now is “incomplete,” because we have not yet had the UFA signings NOR free agency. It’s hard to degrade a team’s draft for “not addressing needs” when they have other plans in the works to address those needs in FA.
2. And speaking of those needs, fans’ and analysts’ perception of what a team’s needs are may not match up with what the team feels its needs are. A team may have a great deal of confidence in its younger, unproven players. (Which makes me think of Beatty, Sintim, Petrus, Goff, etc…)
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Needs
As a fan, it is hard to put on the GM hat and really see all of the things that a team needs. Just from the perspective of players, a real GM also needs to look at contracts, who is a FA, who might need to be cut based on salary, and which spots will be really hard to replace within budget through FA. What we saw on the field as a “need” in a position is modified by 15 other factors when you are the real GM.
The other thing we sometimes forget when we think about player needs is the big picture. If I get high above the team to get the 10,000 foot view, I see a 2010 team that moved the ball well and actually played good defense. The things that really need to get better were Special Teams (a lot better), ball security, and probably depth on the OL.
Did the Giants address any of this in the 2011 draft? Other than maybe the big tackle, the rest of the drafted players are going right onto the special teams units, and almost all of them look like they will be very good at it. I read one thing about Prince completely throwing gunners out of bounds and out of plays. I’m really excited that these kids might be terrific upgrades to special teams, and that alone would make the draft a sucess this year.
Good points
it’s also incomplete because who cares about winning the draft in May?
I want us to say we won the draft come games days
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The fact that Jerry Reese
was himself very high on Jacquian Williams and directly involved speaks volumes. The size and speed he possesses, to me appears that he could play the role of a LB/S, able to play all three downs. He has a lot of learning to do and strength to gain but I think he is determined enough to do it. The immense talent is there, he just needs time and I think we might have a steal in three years.
by Robin's-meats-and-vegetables on May 6, 2011 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe he possesses a fast acceleration
b/c thats all that really matter when trying to cover the jason wittens of the league. Straight line speed really doesnt mean anything.
cone drill >>> the 40
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Hakeem
I am glad to hear he is training hard and filling out a bit. It’s easy to forget the kid just had his 23rd birthday in January. I think he will be a 1,500 yard receiver very soon. Losing Smith will be a big blow if he’s not the same guy. But if Jernigan turns out to be the elusive slot guy underneath that teams need to keep tabs on and Manningham continues his maturation, our three receiver sets are going to be tough for opposing defenses to handle, even without Smith.
Go Giants!
I'd probably rather hear that Hakeem is losing weight
He’s already a big dude at 215lbs so that he’s probably around 220lbs right now..I dunno. Like he said he’d probably lose the weight in camp anyway, but for a player that’s had a lot of injuries early on to his ankles and feet, maybe that’s too much stress ?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
i wouldnt look toop much into it.
dude just been hittin the gym hard. once training camp comes it will be less lifting and more running. I actually think the media is trying to make note of his small wieght gain (probably more so that they recognized hes swole now) becuase of the weight issue he had in college that one year.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Not that much difference
It’s nice to start the season a bit stronger if just for stamina and making it thru the season.
Hakeem will be the best receiver in the NFC East next year
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
i dont feel bad for tiki at all
maybe he will just disappear for good
by The Blood of Eli on May 6, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions
yea.
his mental is what limited him. hes a hell of a rb, but when he was shouldering the Giants he kinda gave up at the end.(in the locker room) but i do respect that he continued to bring it on the grass.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I think it was his Mental that made him the Great RB he was
Wasnt really a crazy physical specimen. His Mental is just what made us hate him after he retired
More on JW
http://thebullspen.com/index.php?topic=58511.10
This is a thread from 2009. In it you can see that JW was rated higher than JPP at the time and JW went to USF before JPP. Interesting prospect.
Interesting that Austin and Williams are former teammates of current Giants Hakeem Nicks and Jason Pierre-Paul respectively.. Which leads me to believe these aren’t shots in the dark and that both guys have probably been scouted for going on 2 years now.
by TheBXRepresenta on May 6, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Austin likely been scouted since he left HS though
He was a top recruit.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
3 kids, three different women?
Sorry, I don’t like this kid already.
George Young: "We are not in the business of well-adjusted human beings."
See also: Taylor, Lawrence.
For me, I don’t need to like or admire him as a person. My parents have been my heroes. If he can play ball and help NYG win a SB and stuff a trophy down the Iggles & Cowgurls throats and make Rex chomp it down once it comes out the other end, I’m ok wit dat.
;-)
b/c he frolic'd in the fields?
Its impossible to judge someone b/c of their choices to have sex with diff women. You’d be surprisded how many ppl you know that have crazy fetishes and closets with stories in em.
he didnt use condoms(or w/e the case was). oh well, that doesnt mean the guy is a deadbeat.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on May 6, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
You dont like the guy because he has kids… who cares how many different woman birth his children, all that matters is if he takes care of them
Not impossible to judge someone
we do it all the time and I’m doing it now. I don’t like someone who’s had three kids by three different women.
yea, its easy cuz he's not there in front of you
and that’s a horrible way to judge someone.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I don't like the fact that he has 3 kids by 3 women
but it’s hard to say that his promiscuity defines him enough that you don’t like him. Brady has a kid out of wedlock. So does Randy Johnson. There are countless other athletes with similar issues.
you call them issues
not everyone has the same beliefs. Not everyone believe a child out of wedlock is a sin, but wuth that said your right that is not enough to judge someone
I don't like that you judge someone that you don't even know :)
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Speed at LB and the LB Critics
UltimateNYG has been the most vocal and certain of its judgment two years running in criticizing the team and advocating for LB upgrades in the draft. They scorned the JPP pick and are mostly underwhelmed by this year also. Their argument is we get scorched in the middle consistently by the better QB’s because our LB’s can’t cover.
But here’s something from over there last year:
Because in today’s NFL, speed at the linebacker position is so important. If a team has speed at the linebacker position, it offsets mismatches. Thus, a speedy linebacker can cover a back or tight end, run sideline to sideline to chase a ball carrier, blitz and get to an opposing quarterback. Despite having the pass rushing prowess of Jason Pierre-Paul, this may not be enough to compensate for the Giants lack of speed at the linebacker position. In 2010, the linebacker position potentially could be the Giants Achilles’ heel.
I think it’s arguable that LB was not the teams big failure in 2010, not with ST failure, a recovering KP, turnovers (!) and some lack of depth at corner, and everyone learning a new system in the mix. Still, we did not beat the best teams, and top QB’s ate us up on the big play. But if Williams is as fast as people say he is, he could possibly address more of what the LB proponents say is needed than even the guys at UltimateNYG may realize, in spite of his low draft prospect profile.
The question becomes
Is he a fast NFL caliber LB or just a fast athlete that played LB in college. Many saw him as not even draft material because of the questions about his ability to actually play the position. If it was just about being fast every team would draft guys off the track team instead of the football team. There is a raw athletic toolset there that might be moldable, but I wouldn’t bank on early returns.
It was more than just LB covg
Let’s list the things
1) New DC, New scheme
2) Kiwi down
3) KPAX not himself
4) Interior pass rush inconsistent
5) bad nickel CB play
6) poor underneath covg
So the LBz poor covg (really we are talking Goff) was certainly a key, but there were 5 other pretty important issues. As the season went on, the good offenses figured out precisely how and where to attack us.
I think that the drafting of JPP, Linval, Austin and Prince were meant to shore up as much of that as possible. Nickel back, the interior pass rush, the scheme, all but underneath covg should be better. And if the interior pass rush is improved, that will pressure QBs to make those reads and throws much faster. That should improve covg. Plus, Goff has shown thhe ability to improve, and he’s bright. Goff just may become decent at covg (as opposed to awful)
Last year
Shaky ST, but it was the TO’s. You cannot turn the ball over on average 2.5 times a game and expect to win. We went 10-6. Which means we have a very good team, a playoff team for sure if we cut down on the mistakes.
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