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Talkin' Linebackers With A Rams Writer

We spend so much time around here talking about linebackers that I thought it was sort of hilarious when one of the writers at Turf Show Times, which covers the St. Louis Rams, contacted me recently to ask about Steve Spagnuolo and how much emphasis he puts on the position.

It seems that Ram fans are not very happy with the attention paid to their linebacker corps, either.Just like Giants fans. Which makes sense when you think about the connection between the two teams, and how many ex-Giants are now playing there.

I gave a lengthy response to the question -- and I probably could still be typing if I really felt like getting cranked up on the subject. Go read the piece over at TST.

I find it interesting because the writer comes to the same conclusion about the Rams' defense that many have come to here. Rather than really strengthening the position, the Rams are just building a defense that tries to minimize -- or hide -- the weakness.

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Spagnuolo clearly learned from Jim Johnson… because that’s what the Eagles did during his tenure as well.

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by JasonB on May 27, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

They do have James Lauranitis, who’s basically a young Antonio Pierce.

And its probably just another case of Madden’izing the team. If in Madden your players at a certain position are rated in the 70s or less, people will complain.

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by Rorschach44 on May 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO...

what we’re seeing with the linebackers is the fallout of the domination of the spread offense in college.

The college ranks just aren’t producing many quality 43 linebackers. Every year, at least half of the drafted ‘linebackers’ are undersized defensive ends (ie: Sintim and Tracy). The spread offense is forcing defenses to get smaller and faster, which is why a bunch of DE’s are becoming 34 OLB’s. Also, a lot of college linebackers are starting to look more like big safeties.

Guys with the athleticism to defend the pass or rush the passer, the size to play the run, and the instincts to know when to do what just don’t come along very often… have there been more than 5 GOOD 43 linebackers in the last 5 years?

When they do, they’ve still got to get by all the 34 teams who need linebackers… because they need more. Look at Bruce Carter. Most people said that he was the best 43 linebacker in this year’s draft… and the cowboys took him. Rocky McIntosh and Manny Lawson are both solid 43 linebacker, being misused in 34 defenses.

But that’s just my opinion… I could be wrong.

by Raptor22 on May 27, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Also...

Its a passing league…the defenses have to adjust and LB’s just aren’t as important as pass rushers and cover guys

by 18-1 on May 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Those are good points,Raptor

And this year sure wasn’t one of the years where you felt like there were many good 43 style LB’s…especially someone who can play both OLB spots..and stay on field for all 3 downs if need be.Mason Foster also comes to mind for this year.
It sure seems like not only that but we do kind of cheat investing in the LB spots in favor of DL and DB.
I’d sure like to see us solidify LB,as it is critical to helping our DB’s pass cov and stopping Vick/McCoy etc. in space.
And if Sash isn’t really good in the “Deon Grant” role then we shouldn’t think twice about investing in elite S help when available.
Also,I keep hearing Lawson brought up for being better suited for 43..whats the deal with him?Anyone know?Maybe I’ll ask the 9er fans…

by Shaunthegiant on May 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Sash

will be a better 3rd safety than Grant…he should be a better tackler inside the box

by 18-1 on May 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Those are good points,Raptor

And this year sure wasn’t one of the years where you felt like there were many good 43 style LB’s…especially someone who can play both OLB spots..and stay on field for all 3 downs if need be.Mason Foster also comes to mind for this year.
It sure seems like not only that but we do kind of cheat investing in the LB spots in favor of DL and DB.
I’d sure like to see us solidify LB,as it is critical to helping our DB’s pass cov and stopping Vick/McCoy etc. in space.
And if Sash isn’t really good in the “Deon Grant” role then we shouldn’t think twice about investing in elite S help when available.
Also,I keep hearing Lawson brought up for being better suited for 43..whats the deal with him?Anyone know?Maybe I’ll ask the 9er fans…

by Shaunthegiant on May 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

The "passing league" is a bit of a cliche

If you can’t defend the rush then it becomes a “rushing league” pretty quickly. I.e. Colts-Giants last year.

by rvgweb on May 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

the Giants didn't defend anything in that game

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by Rorschach44 on May 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giants

didn’t defend the run well in that game b/c they gameplanned to defend the pass…deon grant was playin LB in that game smh

by 18-1 on May 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Right.

You can’t gameplan just to defend the pass, and for the same reasons you can’t build your team just to defend the pass. It’s not a “passing league”. It’s still football and you still need versatile linebackers.

by rvgweb on May 27, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of passing league..guess who Pro Football Focus projects as the #1 WR in fantasy fb

I posted a fan shot on here and I’ll give you a hint he played in that Giant-Colt game and his name ain’t RWayne!

by Shaunthegiant on May 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

wow...that's a bold prediction

"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."

by jcalafiore on May 27, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd hardly call

predicting Bomar to be no. 1 in anything “Bold”

more like taking the easy and obvious way out.

by Raptor22 on May 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Look at their projections for Manningham

50 rec. and 743 yards would be a very bad season.

by GhostDini on May 27, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't looked at all the projection quite yet

But if all the receivers stay healthy and Eli can spread the ball to our numerous weapons, plus getting back to the running game it would make some sense. But yea, I do agree that Manninghams projection is a bit low imo and yours too :).

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by wangstu13 on May 27, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year I remember Spags talking about how he thought the linebackers are the strenght of their defense

weird. I agree that there are only 3-4 elite linebackers and everyone else looks mediocre compared to them because they need to do excel at a lot of things.

For example, small guys that can cover will be easily pushed by big guards in the run game and big linebackers that can take on guards will get easily burned by any decent TE.

by mclaren_is_the_best on May 27, 2011 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Going to be hard to defend this against guys like

Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs…

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by wangstu13 on May 27, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

" I agree that there are only 3-4 elite linebackers and everyone else looks mediocre compared to them"

Wow i dont know about that statement, an elite LB is an elite LB no matter the system. Ray Lewis won his only superbowl as a 4-3 inside LB but he still excels in a 3-4, London Fletcher gives the same production regardless of system, I just think there aren’t many good all around LB’s period, regardless of the system but to say only 3-4 linebackers are elite is kinda saying Lance Briggs, Urlacher, Ben Leber, Johnathan Vilma, Brackett, Tulloch, Beason, Lofton all dont exist. They are all Elite LB’s in a 4-3 system that would all be fine in a 3-4…..LB is a mentality and i think there just aren’t a lot of guys who can play the position well from an all around standpoint period. So you guys who continue to try to figure what system a guy can fit in need to focus more on who has the mentality, regardless of size.

There are also some guys in a 3-4 that would blow the #’s out of the water if they were in a 4-3 i.e. Willis and Mayo….. A good LB can play in any system at any time period, Those guys are just hard to come by and i think they always have been.

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by Blue Gates on May 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Outside of the Bears

is there really such a thing in the NFL as an elite group of LBs in a 4-3 defense?

The NFL and NFLPA? They can kiss my ass, OK? They can line up and kiss my ass.

by BigBlue21 on May 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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