2011 NFL Draft, Round 3: Giants Select Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy
by Ed Valentine on Apr 29, 2011 9:43 PM EDT
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PrintThe New York Giants selected Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy, with their third-round selection (83rd overall) in the 2011 NFL Draft. I can hear those of you insisting that the Giants absolutely had to draft a linebacker or a center screaming already, even though we know little to nothing about this guy.
Jernigan is a 5-foot-8, 185-pound receiver/return man. Here is a quick scouting report from Draft Countdown:
Best fit at the next level might come as a slot receiver and return specialist who can also be utilized in the Wildcat and on reverses --- Dynamic all-purpose playmaker who is a threat to score every time he touches the ball from anywhere on the field --- Just may be a bigger, much faster version of Dexter McCluster.
Still would be nice to get a linebacker and a center, but let's just see what happens. Your thoughts?
Draft Preview: Jerrell Jernigan (via foxsports)
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huh sketchy,
would maybe like the pick if we didn’t have the creative offensive genius that is Kevin Gilbride as our OC
I see Blue, he looks glorious!
Hey
at least we have a return guy now. That was sorely lacking last year, and it can be a huge advantage.
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 29, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like
JR sees good OL prospects in free agency
sorry to throw myself but...
Kalil isn’t going anywhere. He’s going to anchor Carolina’s line for the next 5-8 years
You're probably right
I can dream though!
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
At first I was kinda annoyed and mad
But given this guys physical skills and pure speed I am happy with it. We still have free agency eventually to fill gaps as a safety net. We desperately needed an all out speed guy. We needed speed on both sides of the ball which we now have with Jernigan and Amukamara.
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
WalterFootball
Calls it another steal for Reese, but mentions something about Steve Smith possibly not playing next year? I haven’t been keeping tabs on injuries, is something up with Steve?
I like the pick if he’s got good hands and return ability, but I don’t want another Sinorice Moss.
His injury and surgery were tougher than initially reported
But I think it’s about how they struggled to make big plays.
This guy is a scatter bug. Makes cuts at full speed and if you miss him he’s gone.
The guy running the blog must be a giants fan
Because so far he gave the giants A for all 3 picks…..lol
walt HATES the Giants, actually.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
Then watching this draft must be killing him….lol
He's from Philly
he says he has “no” favorite team now because he consider shimself a journalist that’s unbias. But he is from Philly.
by EliManCrushing on Apr 30, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 29, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
SPEED
Giants don’t have a player like this on the team. He’s an all-purpose player that did everything for Troy
He’s a tough little bastard that seems like Steve Smith coming out of Utah. If he can be half as good as SS89, I doubt anyone will care about a LBzez.
Came out of LF tho, but Vacchiano/Garafolo said Jernigan’s a dude they like in the 2nd round.
But if you put otu of mind the perceived need for a LB/OL, Jernigan’s an explosive player who give the Giants they absolutely have zero of: A player that can take it to the house on any possession (well..aside from Amukamara of course)
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And yes, that's Steve Smith from the Panthers.
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Agreed
The Giants lack a slippery player maker like Jernigan. It will be nice to have that type threat on the field. I love the fact that we may have a legit return man now.
I'm not even worried about his return skills (which are legit)
its what he does for the offense that I like.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 29, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why???
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I think Reese decided that there wasn't anything there....
at linebacker that was any better than what we had already, and if he upgrades the position (it needs it), it’ll be via free agency. I’m not sure we’re as totally needy at the offensive line as is generally talked about, and we may yet make an addition there tomorrow.
Shockingly Bad Use of the Draft
What do we need an average slot receiver for? This is a bigger need than a OLB or OG? I’m mystified.
Probably because
You’re not a scout and don’t realize the talent or lack thereof at the positions you mention in relation to the Giants draft position. Giants go best available for a reason.
Is every pick by Reese going to be defended to the death?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
What is there to defend, this is just facts son!
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 29, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahaha
this is a very winning comment
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
nothin against Jernigan
but at some point we have to address the LB issues. Reese just ignores the position every year until the 4th round at the earliest and we are simply not going to find the impact players we need that late.
That isnt being fair
In 2009 he took Sintim in round 2 and in last years draft we stole Dillard in the 3rd draft… so dont accuse Reese of things he hasn’t done
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dillard was the 4th round
but I’d say that he hasn’t gotten close to a chance to show his worth yet,
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Like Sintim and Tracy
and dont forget, Dillard was supposed to go in the Third, he was picked late.
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 29, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Replaces Hixon
Good pick Giants need a return man. It’s a NEED and value pick.
Hixon mightnever be the same again plus he’s a Free agent. Now the Giants dont’ have to worry about bringing him back and can go.
Nicks, Manningham, Smith, Barden, Cruz, Jernigan
Hagan
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not bad
Giants finally address their weakest area on the team and that’s a returner on special teams……….my grade on this pick is a B
That is NOT their weakest area at all.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I actually would say it is.
LB is weak, but we still have Boley, Sintim, and Goff for (tentative) starters with Wilkerson, Dillard, and possibly even Tracy as backups plus any late rounders we get. All of serviceable.
OL is great, but injury prone. We have William Beatty, Mitch Petrus, and Adam Koets all ready to fight for starting spots. Late round OL aren’t hard to find.
KR though? Our return game is abysmal. Admittedly the new kick off rules do degrade the position quite a bit, but getting a great kick returner is a big gain. Will Jernigan be that guy? Who knows, but we probably did get an upgrade to our weakest area. Even if we want new blood for LB and OL, the fact is we have nobody ready to step into KR.
by RolloT on Apr 29, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As crazy as I may sound
I’m not gonna be so quick to dismiss Dodge. The kid is a first year clone of Brad Maynard and we were very impatient with him after spending a fucking 3rd round pick on him. I’ll take the lumps for his potentials.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 30, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I would concur
they are DESPERATE for a return game, don’t see him getting many reps. on offense.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
If the guy is anything like McCluster or Hester I’ll be happy
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Apr 29, 2011 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
I'm still thinking
even past FA, Reese might see someone he likes on the team already to step up for teh LBz
They had Dillard rated pretty high, and maybe adding Amukamara (his college teammate) could help him step up his game a bit.
I really thought Adrian Tracy flashed some potential too, I wanna get a better look at him.
I see Blue, he looks glorious!
Dillard, Tracy, Sintim
I mean you can’t just draft these players and never give them a shot.
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I do keep forgetting about Sintim,
kid was a serious baller, regardless of the 3-4 he played, coming out of school. He’s a good dude too, if he can just get his head in it I would think he could be seriously awesome for us.
I see Blue, he looks glorious!
Don't you think
If they were good enough they would have gotten their shot?(except Tracy..injury)
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
They've all been injured
Sintim’s been injured too. Dillard not so much, but he was a rookie.
3 years until a player’s a bust (or success). Just cuz a player is great in his rookie year, doesn’t mean he’s a good player, ask Aaron Ross.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
other night you were defending Ross when I mentioned him, I see now he is not a good player. So draft guru, tell me about the hands of the third rd pick, ball security issues?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Young players need to learn the scheme and technique
To be able to play at this level.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
He sees Sintim
The other day he was talking about Sintim and how he wanted him to step it up. He still thinks that we can fill LB needs with Sintim, Dillard and Adrian Tracy… and I am not inclined to disagree
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty
when the GM drafts a square peg and tries to jam him into a round hole, more on the GM.
It makes HIM look bad, since he invested a second round pick into Sintim. Do I disagree with what the GM said? Not really, just pointing out the reality of the entire situation.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I just hope the guy can catch a ball without bobbling it in the air
Don’t need to see anymore tip drill picks
Steve Smkth insurance
this guy can play the slot if SS is still injured. Also, he can return punts and kickoffs, if our special teams block for him. LBs not exciting, we can get guard or centers in the next rounds or in FA.
Faster bigger dexter mccluster?
yeah, we could use that on returns.
Domenick Hixon insurance perhaps?
This is a weird pick but in a Kwi kinda way which turned out to be pretty good until his cervical issues killed the buzz. Maybe JR was having flashbacks of Devin Hester.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not insurance
he will replace Hixon
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hixon signed his tender
At this stage I’d consider JJ to be camp competition for return duties. Why so quick to oust Hixon?
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sorry but don't we draft BPA
I know we need linebackers and O-line depth but I would rather get good players than reach for anybody, jus sayin
"Theres one formula thats a fact, if you gotta run around shooting your mouth off telling every one how awesome you are, it means you absolutely, undoubtedly, unquestionably, 100%, completely SUCK!" - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
I'll grant you that Foster is a football player...
But nobody took him before our pick, as he’s a bit slow and projects with question marks, and thus is a whole lot like a handful of linebackers we already have on the roster. There just isn’t a huge valley between Foster’s projection and that of what we already have.
Lacks size too
and we already have a LB who lacks size, I know Ed disagrees but free agency at LB.
I want someone who can start immediately, and is physically tough as well.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Return Game
I love how alot of our ingame bitching on this site is directed at the special teams and then when we address the issue, we are slaming Reese.
by Sarasota Giants on Apr 29, 2011 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
it could be a random player from Canada
but its it a LB or an OL, Reese “addressed the needs” and made a great pick.
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A "NEED" was addressed though
KR and PR is a DEFINATE need
by Sarasota Giants on Apr 29, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree
and I think they addressed needs with Austin and Prince as well.
Its just this idea that OL and LB are the only needs and the only picks that can be made.
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The OLZZ!!!!!
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but it's not a LB or OL
So it’s not a needy need.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't our "makeshift" OL still let up the least sacks?
I understand building for the future, but I feel like this team is on the cusp of a championship, if we plug in one or two FA OL and/or LB I think we will be in better condition to win now
by Sarasota Giants on Apr 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
we have plenty of OLs too
beatty, Petrus and Koets can fill in. And Snee’s fine.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I would give more credit to Eli for that lack of sacks
But thats a moot point because I was being facetious.
I like the pick, and agree with Rorsch below that we have plenty of bodies along the oline.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Rorsch above*
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer talent over "bodies"
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I don't think any OL availabe has more talent then those guys
only Marcus Cannon, but he has cancer and I don’t think they like that risk.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How'd Koets do last year?
Beatty?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They did fine
before they got hurt
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Beatty got hurt?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea he played in the second half of the season though
Kept Eli clean as a whistle
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey we cant make Reese picks for him
He needs to make his own picks, and if he is wrong he can be held accountable, but this is a weird year with free agency comming after the draft, I like this pick and lets see what happens
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
honestly i was positive that we'd draft for a PR/KR
just thought it would be Gates or Jones in the 4th, but I guess its the way the draft worked out. LB’er is something I think we’ll address in FA.
I wanted Gates in the 4th but i will take Jernigan
“In Reese We Trust”
"Much faster version of Dexter McCluster"
Sign me up! This is the type of player we don’t have on our team so is therefore an instant improvement.
I wanted Foster, but after hearing “doesnt have the top end speed of the LB’s taken early” I know that he wasn’t going to be a Reese pick.
They’ve got 5 picks left and there’s plenty of talented LB’s and OL left fellas.
In Reese I trust.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Just remember Quan Sturidvant is on the board
Sturdivant and Foster were enticing there. But Jernigan is a solid pick, good value.
and besdie Shame on US. The Giants do not draft Offensive linemen or linebackers early.
We should have known this before the draft, it’s the same every year. We need to quite expectig it.
pretty much
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft the other Matthews
And I’ll get over this pick
Casey Matthews blows
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
4th round is fine.
Could live with it in the 4th.
by EliManCrushing on Apr 29, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a late rounder pick
Maybe the guy blows, maybe not, dude has good blood
i can tell u this eagle fans love r draft and hate theirs
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Jernigan has a lot of comparisons to Desean Jackson too
I wonder if the Eagles wish they drafted a LB over him
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be excited about their draft either
On paper, it looks questionable
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He's saying they like our draft, and hate their own
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I know
And I’m saying if I was an Eagle fan, I wouldn’t be excited about that draft either, because it’s questionable
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont give a flying f#$%^
what the Eagles feel about our draft, I like our draft
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
So do I
And So do Eagle fans…so…yay?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing
I’ve liked about this draft is watching the iggle fan next to me be as bummed as me.
11/1/2010
by HughG16 on Apr 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I havent been paying attention to them, out of habit
but I will say this, if Sintim or Dillard wake up and Goff continues to improve and Austin and Amukamara show any value…. you better stay out of our defenses way
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way Akeem Dent just went to the Falcons
in the 3rd. there are officially no more LB’ers left :)
Greg Jones
I thought very highly of him before the start of the season. Don’t know what happened this year.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to be the Kill joy
But our linebackers seriously suck, and unless Jerry pull’s a tackle or center out of his hat we might have some big problems in the run game next year
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
We are going to play with 5 DL and 6 DBs
We don’t need no stinkin LBZ!!!
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Not for nothing
but our “Joker” packages kind of relegate the need for a playmaking LB from any of the slots. Most of our pressure is generated from the box with an emphasis on secondary isolation. Save for an injury to our best cover LB ( Boley ), we’re not in as bad a shape as most are making it out to be.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Boley is average at best
When a passing down comes we have to take our Middle linebacker out of the game becasue he can’t cover. We need help. On top of that do you realize we the whole left side or our offensive line including the center position is in limbo, we won’t be able to run on anybody the backups don’t step up and be productive.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that half of the O-Line that was widely regarded as the best in the league
Was drafted later than the third round.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Goff left the game in dime packages
he stayed in for a lot of nickel packages
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
JR has yet to walk us into a season
unprepared at any position in terms of starting depth/quality. I doubt he doesn’t have a plan in place to address the O-line. Regarding Goff, I don’t know what games you were watching but Goff was in our base D regardless of the coverages short of full on spread sets. He’s not below league average in the expectancy of coverage aspects of a MLB as you seem to be implying. Its like screaming at a work truck hauling its payload for not mowing down the 1/4 mile at the track under 15 seconds.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What else were we gonna use
besides Goff? He was our best option which isnt saying much
I dont think the Eagles care about our draft
Since we havent beat them in like 6 games
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
when we drafted Amukamara
they cared.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The amount of curses when we drafted the fresh prince says otherwise
"Theres one formula thats a fact, if you gotta run around shooting your mouth off telling every one how awesome you are, it means you absolutely, undoubtedly, unquestionably, 100%, completely SUCK!" - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Depth of WR
Lets not forget the mismatches this will cause our opponents. If we have a Healthy Steve Smith we still have Nicks, Manningham, Hixon, Barden, Cruz and now Jernigan… and Adam Sheftler said our CB depth was great…
by Sarasota Giants on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
Also reports are claiming that Marivn Austin would have been a top 15 prospect
If he had not got into trouble
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
If you read
MG’s article, you’ll feel much better about Austin:
""It was an extremely humbling experience to going from being one of the top players in the country to being a guy nobody wants to talk about and stuff like that," Austin said. “I just learned that hard work will pay off. This is what I want to do, and when I get to the facility I’m going to bust my tail.”
Coughlin said the Giants were advised Austin won’t be an issue for them as long as they set up “borders” for him – i.e. he’s on a tight leash. When asked if the team will give Austin the same kind of talk Reese gave Ahmad Bradshaw when he was drafted, Coughlin replied, “Absolutely.”
But there’s an upside to Austin’s attitude, apparently: an on-field demeanor Reese compared to former Giants defensive tackle Keith Hamilton.
“He’s got a nasty motor, a mean demeanor about him,” Reese said of Austin, who had nine sacks in three seasons with the Tar Heels. “He’s going to bring that nasty attitude. … I like to have some big, nasty guys in your front. I kind of like that.”
If we are replacing a bunch of our free agents
with some of these players we will have a lot of cap space
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
Haterade.
This draft is going to put the BPA Theory to a very stern test. An undisciplined cb in the first (I HATE cbs in the first) a head case in the second (NYC and that kid? What could go wrong?) and a small-school wr/kr (on a Tom Coughlin/Killdrive- coached team that has no idea how to use one) in the third? I know a lot of you are enjoying the Ed Valentine Think Positivepalooza, but me, I still think we need a multiple-expletives-deleted linebacker.
11/1/2010
by HughG16 on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If we drafted purely on need,
We would have passed up on Lawrence Taylor. Just a thought
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
and Carl Banks
don’t forget about Carl Banks. Definitely did NOT need a pass rusher that year.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, very true
And Carl is one of my favorite players
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
An undisciplined cb in the first
what?
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Ed Valentine Think Positivepalooza?
How about, Giants fans, thinking positively about the Giants.
Insane. I know.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How about, Giants fans, thinking OBJECTIVELY about the Giants
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Nah.
That’s what reporters and broadcaster are for.
A fan, by definition, has no room for such nonsense.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse
They drafted a top 10 talent at 19.
And a 1st round talent at 52.
For shame Jerry, for shame.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Could've gotten a 35 yr old fireman to play G
That would have filled a need
by trueblue63 on Apr 29, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Syler woulda been pumped.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. I'm crazy and stupid for thinking Giants should have addressed
the lack of depth at LB and OL, two of their bigger needs.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
No one said crazy or stupid
Maybe persnickety and stubborn
Syler did
Syler said crazy and stupid
;)
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Im plenty worried about
LB’s and OL next season. Wonder what over the hill player we are going to get to see this year.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No we can't
he is the Jets cheerleader, we have Rebe Skye, I’ll take Rebe!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
so objectively means "draft an OL or LB" or you suck cuz ours suck
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it means not having to like every single pick Reese makes
He’s done a great job overall as GM here. But it was prudent for us to take at least one of OL/LB in first 3 rounds, especially considering FA uncertainty. We can’t just keep using patchwork guys at LB.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Who were our best LBers in '07?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
But some guy named AP called our Defense
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. AP...
When did the Giants draft him?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
oh....
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell was alright that year too
I can’t seem to remember when we drafted him…help?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
had to be late
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We didn't draft him
he was a FA from the Skins
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ohh!!
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ding, ding, ding
FTW.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Reese wasn't here when we signed Pierce
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Shit...
Reese isn’t aloud to sign FA LBers?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't priortitzed LB in FA since he's been here
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Keith Bulluck didn't work out
But that doesn’t mean he didn’t exist.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Two SAMs left in the draft
Wright and Herzlich
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
you're right
we will never see a premium LB under Jerry Reese on the Giants again
Director of pro personell for the Giants since 2002
So yes, he was and had a big time hand in signing Pierce.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, ok you got me there.
Still, we haven’t been big on LBs in FA since Pierce.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Kawika Mitchell
Was signed in 07
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And then let go the next year
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
For a kings ransom @ Buffalo
And went on to have 74 tackles in two years…good or bad?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He was good for Buffalo the 2008 season
but fell off the earth the past 2 years.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate to bring up a point to the contrary
but Mitchell was a middling SSLB that exceeded his 1 YR/$1MM deal.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that bad?
Finding a player that exceeded his value?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No
but it speaks to Reeses’ view of LBs in general.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
so he's trying to find another Mitchell?
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Which would be good...
Right?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
but was negating your assessment of Mitchell in regards as a big splash LB which he wasn’t by any means.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
But he was an impact LBer
Found in free agency.
So it’s not a moot point, or I am wrong about that?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
mitchell was not that good
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Well.
We don’t make the playoffs, let alone win the Bowl without Mitchell.
Never forget that.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Boley's getting about $8 million a year
I’d say he just hasn’t lived up to his billing.
And in other spots we’ve tried to fill in with draft picks as well as Pierce himself.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
WAIT!
WAIT!
We’ve drafted LBers?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Khanavis McGhee
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Ryan Phillips
and we literally got a sack of potatoes with him from Idaho.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what important things we are forgetting by remembering those names.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Organic reaction mechanisms could've probably
used some of the space taken up by the piles of the absolutely useless rummage like the Phillips tid bit for me.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
5 yr., 25 mill., just saying.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Reese like FA LB's a little too much
I think his best signings were AP (even though Ernie really signed him) and Mitchell. Everything else has been pretty bad. JR has drafteed 4 LB’s as GM only one in the 2nd the rest are 4th or 5th round players. Even if we didn’t find an LB how about going after an O-lineman another weakness, we don’t even know if we are going to have a center at this point.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Accorsi taught him this as well
Mike Barrow preceded Pierce as our solid yet underwhelming MLB
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The last good LB we picked was Armstead
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, OK.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was taken in a round that doesn't even exist in NFL drafts anymore
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
+98
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Armstead went higher than Mecklenburg
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Ah Carl..
How Denver loved thee.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my absolute favorite
football cards when I was a kid had that summed up in a snap shot!!
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Who plays CB for the Steelers
Teams have a scheme You draft for it
I dunno
I just don’t see “drafting a LB in the first 3 rounds” as any different then “patchwork”, considering who’s there.
Maybe Wilson or Foster are more then that, and that’s fine. But maybe they’re not. Obviously the people that do more work then any of us felt that the LBs available, although they met a need, weren’t better then who’s on the roster.
Much easier to see with the Ols too..this year’s class was very mediocre (Tyron Smith went top 10…lol).
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Your a mets fan
Your a little compromised to be talking about positivity
by WreckinCrew56-55-53-58 on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
u probably criticized the giants win in the sb.
But that’s cool so did I. :)
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
hahahahahah
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
+10
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The pass rush talent we have invested
so heavily in on the ends and with our defensive playbook literally built around the theorem, LB’s are not the eye sore that alot of us are making it out to be. The relevance of having a player of Prince’s caliber fall into our laps is a God send that not a single person in the profession scout or blog blabber could have predicted for us. The draft is addressing functional needs that go beyond the aesthetics that you’re crying bullshit about.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Most teams don't have good LB's
Especially when you look at teams that play the 4-3.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
only two that i can think of that actually have solid LB
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
all i want is one solid coverage guy
i’m not asking for clay matthews here.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
We don't want to be most teams...
we wanna be the last ones standing.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Right
Because its obvious that we ALWAYS think positive while on this blog.
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/4/22/1437978/nfl-draft-open-thread-2-giants
by Well-Rounded Cube on Apr 29, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Speed
Like the plan here of getting faster. It gives guys an extra moment to read and process assignments
Hahah
There is no pleasing some people. All you know is what Mel Kiper says about a player and he could be completely wrong. Sure I don’t get the WR pick at 3, but I’m not a GM and neither are you. Have some faith.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Va in the big blue house!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Apr 29, 2011 10:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Saw a great Giant car outside Richmond VA
Filled my heart with joy
lmao
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ill take it.
Return man who we desperately needed. We can blame st coach all we want. But if were trading for a return man midseason. Than thats an issue.
I think we are in a win now phase, and ifwe choose a lineman…its goinh to be thru free agency. The limeman we were interested in we passed on in the first rd.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well
Reese’s track record with drafting receivers is pretty good, so its kinda a wait and see
I've seen Jerrel Jernigan get compared to
DeSean Jackson and Deion Branch. Not bad comparisons at all and I take them to mean that he is great as a slot receiver. Look, the Giants are going purely for playmakers damn their position. At first I thought oh no but giving it more thought you gotta respect the thinking and let it grow on you. We have needs of course but this pick makes great sense. He is arguably the best return man in this draft as well as a dynamic slot receiver. Be thankful and greatful we have Jerry Reese.
by Robin's-meats-and-vegetables on Apr 29, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
when you read his scouting reports and then look at his combine numbers
I see him more in line with Steve Smith.
Branch and Jackson are slight little pip-squeaks. Jernigan is more of a ‘mighty-mite’ type dude.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not worried about LBs
The LB class in this year’s Free Agency is looking nice. It all depends on who we can afford and who works in our system.
Jernigan is a great prospect
i hope nobody trashes the player, you can criticise the basis of the pick but not jernigan himself. hes a great player
I'm glad you're on board with this one.
It took me some time to come around to this, especiall after seeing Foster go right after, but I’ve changed my mind. In today’s NFL, a dynamic return specialist is a need, believe it or not. And you can’t deny the kids talent. Let’s see what we do with the rest of the draft, and FA, whenever that is.
yeah, its going to be hard accepting we passed on foster
hopefully they make it up in the later rounds although when we do that it doesnt have much success
Or a screen pass?
some year?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
SEXY!
This is a very SEXY pick IMO! I do worry about Steve Smith now..He was instant 1st down on 3rd.
This pick REALLY bums me out. Not because of the talent, because of the fact that it means steve smith is really in a bad way. We have a TON of receiving talent. We must be trying to fill a hole. Ss12 was elis fave. Sorry maybe im too emotional about it
by section_112 on Apr 29, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
One can never be too emotional if its in regards to SS12
The man is a hero, and if your fears become a reality, many people will be bummed right along with you.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
think so?
that may be true, but Coughlin’s comments about these ‘depth’ picks like “the more the merrier” lets you know that just cuz they draft a player at a position, doesn’t really mean that a player is automatically being let go.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope that's not the case.
Until I hear otherwise, I’m just going to tell myself it’s about his return abilities.
SS is my favorite Giants player, and I bought his jersey like two months ago.
I’m going to be gutted if he doesn’t come back. :(
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Steve Smith is honestly a boss.
While it’s little consolation, even if Smith doesn’t come back, I feel like you can rock that jersey for a long time and it’ll still be appreciated.
I've thought about that too
Hoping he will get healthy
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Plax
Does this affect how we look at Plax’s value to our team now?
Plax was never a possibility here anyway
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Slight IMO
Eli still has a bad habit of throwing too high..hopefully Barden can step up and be that goal-line threat that Plax used to be.
by Dirt Marguirk on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Let this go
he is not walking thru that door, period!!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't hold on to the past in this sport.
Plax will never be Plax again.
by Robin's-meats-and-vegetables on Apr 29, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Unfortunate but true.
Football is the most unforgiving sport to teams that hang on to the past. It took me a while to be ok with Antonio leaving for example, but it had to be done.
Steve Smith insurance
quickness, return ability
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
bpa. even if that best player available is the most stacked and talented position on our roster
but jernigan is a more versatile weapon and can contribute in the return game. if they feel its worth passing on a linebacker, so be it
Youll get it when we can get field position outside the 20 for once
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
for those praising this pick based on it being a BPA
Scouts Inc. had Jernigan as #74 overall and Mason Foster (who went right after our pick) as the 56th best player. Seems like Foster would have been better value and filled a need.
great point
lots of mocks had him as a 2nd round talent. foster was just as much great value as jernigan. i think theyre both going to be great players in the nfl, but in our case foster would’ve been slightly better
BUT if were NOT going to draft foster i am happy it was with jernigan than say some TE
cherry picking one site doesn't really help
Some sites had Jerrnigan as one of the 5 best WRs in the draft and a 2nd round pick.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i know im just making a point
saying this was a great pick because it was BPA doesnt make a ton of sense when other players available that would have filled needs had similar value…dont get me wrong I like Jernigan, I just felt LB should have been addressed and since Foster was arguably a higher rated player than Jernigan, Foster may have been a better pick
Well..we don't know what Reese's board looks like
for all we know, Foser was #74 and Jernigan was #56 for Reese.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You're kidding youself
if you think they actually rated Foster
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I bet Reese had all OLB's in the 250s
top 20 on his board was all DEs
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes very true
We dont know what their board looked like so if he had Jernigan rated highly then thats fine. I just think some people are trying to rationalize the pick (again, I do like Jernigan) by saying it was BPA when we dont really know what kinda board Reese has.
If I cared what Scouts INC does
But don’t.
Foster is a solid prospect, but he’s not going to light the world on frie with his speed and athletic ability.
I like him a lot
But he’s not covering LeSean McCoy out of the backfield or blowing up the run or sacking the Qb.
He’s a smart, instinctive tackling machine., but al ot of opportunities because defense was terrible. IE a lot of meaningless tackles
Like Foster, but he’s not a top 60 player. .
by EliManCrushing on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ive watched tons of games of foster
aside from his game against oregon, his tackles were NOT meaningless at all after big plays.
you can say something bad about jernigan too, you think hes going to light the world on fire with his size and frail build — going to get off press coverage?
theres negatives about every player, that doesnt mean they’re not a top prospect. mason foster isnt as athletic as bruce carter but so much more instinctive and productive.
He's not frail.
Pretty thick for a short guy.
his size is definitely a negative
tho frail isn’t something I’d call him. Desean Jackson is frail. Sinorice Moss was frail. Jernigan is just short.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Smith (Carolina)
came into the NFL with a similar build. He’s not of the same build now.
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
Foster would cover
tight ends or number 3 receivers. Something the GMen were among the league’s WORST.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Foster is great in run support
He’s not a cover guy. KJ Wright is rated higher in that respect, hope he gets a look in the 4th.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
agree
Would rather have K.J . Wright in the 4th.
by EliManCrushing on Apr 30, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Still think it's to Release Hixon.
Maybe Steve Smith insurance, but seems just as likely it’s to replace Domenik Hixon as a depth WR, return man as it for SS insurance.
by EliManCrushing on Apr 29, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
Hixon may still be KR, Jernigan PR
Short guys have tended to be better PR, not as successful on KR.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Doubt it
Than Cruz will be gone unless GIantskeep 7 WR.
I don’t think they’re giving up on Barden yet
so Nicks, Smith, Manningham, Barden, Jernigan….
Hixon/Cruz/Thomas/Clayton
whoever
by EliManCrushing on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
If Cruz beasts in the preseason like last year
they will keep him
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
For years
I’ve been listening to Giant fans complain about the fact that we never get the speedy/elusive type player. He seems like he’s that guy. I read one article where the Falcons might grab him in round two. He was climbing up a lot of boards. BPA folks. Looking forward to finding out if he’s “that guy”. Speed kills in the NFL. Maybe he’s our D. Jackson.
Go Giants!
I thought Sinorice Moss was
“Speedy and Elusive”
….Eh.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Steve Smith was considered speedy and elusive too
the USC and Utah ones both.
Not every 5"8 WR is Sinorice Moss.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not...
but Steve Smith is a rarity.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Both of'em are.
Because not many 5’ 8" receivers…
Do much in this league.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
NFL.com on Jernigan
Pick Analysis: The Giants grab a terrific slot receiver with their selection of Jernigan. He is a crafty inside receiver with the rare ability to separate from coverage in tight areas. He will contribute as a receiver/returner immediately before working his way into the rotation as a consistent performer.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Personally didn't like the pick...
Loved the first and second (Amuk and Austin….holy shit, our D may turn out to be tops in the league)
This one though left me like this:
This is just a personal opinion though, hopefully tomorrow we make our 4th and 2 6th rounders count.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Is anyone actually surprised that we didn't go LB?
I’m not sure our organization knows what the position is. I highly doubt we sign one too. Same thing for center.
Whatever we got Prince…
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Our team is loaded with 3rd and 4th round LBs
How has that turned out?
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
acutally
one 2nd rounder and the rest are 4th & 5th rounders
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
gerris wilkerson - 3rd
goff and deossie were later.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
My bad, I that Gerris was the team mascot
LOL I am so glad he is no longer on the team
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Cant say for sure
but pretty bad so far.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
for the LB position individually?
Not good.
For the team itself? Not exactly the problem.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No but I am starting to feel like it's goundhog day
Last year same thing, and the year before that too. Everyboyd keep saying how we don’t really need LB’s and how every year the LB’s are no good. Than the season starts and what ever over the hill LB JR signed looks old an slow, and Boley starts taking bad angles to the ball as well as not covering the gap he is supposed to be in and everyone starts saying man our LB’s suck… We got to get some LB’s than the draft comes JR picks a couple of lineman a Safter and CB and some WR’s and we all go gaga over them. And we rationalize that we really don’t even use LB’s tha much. Here we go again.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Goff die?
Or did I imagine his ’10 season?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We told you to lay off the shrooms
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
the gaints sucked
against tight ends and 3rd receivers. A LB that can cover would be great. We won’t get it tough but I’ll never not want it.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
and a capable LB to stop rolle
from being a LB would be cool too.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
that's a micsconception
I need to see proof that TE dominated the GIants.
According to footballoutsider.scom
the Giants were 3rd vs RB and 11th vs TE
I remember a big FexliJones screeen pass and Dallas Clark playing well, but i don’t rmember getting burned by Running backs in the passing game a lot lat year.
by EliManCrushing on Apr 30, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Witten usually kills us too
But who doesn’t Witten kill?
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
You don't got a problem with a middle LB that has to come off the field when it's a passing down?
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Yes or no
Does Goff suck?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And just like that
poof
your credibility disappears
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
poof
just watch the TE/ short WR pass on by
Don't say I didn't warn you when you go shopping for a Goff jersey this year.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't tell you
But you clearly ran out of witty quips.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever dude
Reese clearly had areas to address, instead he picked from areas which were team strengths
I’ll give him a break if even 60% of these guys come thru
WR was a "strength" at the beginning of last season
Towards the end we had Derek Hagan in our starting lineup.
So…yea.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
O-line has been a concern since 2008 and we've done little to address it
other than Andrews
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
petrus and beatty
only thing the line needs is a center…
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Adam Koets
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
ill change it to a long term answer at center
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Koets is 27 years old
not young, but the Eagles drafted a rookie the same age so its not old either
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
dont care about age
more about talent. let’s see how he holds up but i’d like someone that has potential in case koets fails
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Koets played well when he played
and proved more then any rookie could (and there were no centers available for us anyway, at least not any that arent’ still available.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Boothe (sarcasm font)
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Oline has been a concern since '08?
According to whom? In ‘08 the Giants had arguably the best line in the league, in ’09 they weren’t that far off either. It is in 2010 that injuries plagued the line.
Even then, that Oline was nowhere near horrible…except for when Diehl and O’Hara were plugged back in…MY GOD COUGHLIN!
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Nah they fall off in '09
There’s been a need since ‘09 so he’s not far off saying ’08.
But we have addressed it, he just doesn’t like how, and wants more.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering we're a "smash mouth" football team
shouldn’t improving the O-line be even more of a priority?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Are we a smash mouth team?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
In 2008
but not now, with this Line now, better at pass blocking
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to say I wouldn't like a C...
to replace O’Hara, or that Beatty should take over the LT spot and Diehl should move over to LG.
But even in ‘09, it wasn’t the biggest need…
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
In 2010
they got extremely lucky that everyone was able to step up whether it was andrews or seubert or mckenzie with his career year.
i don’t want to play the luck card again.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
We got LUCKY at WR too!
Hagan was huge for us when Nicks and Smith went down!
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
funny
i dont know where in the post where i objected to the wr…
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
If you're implying we should have drafted an OL
Over this WR
Than I’m saying the “Luck Card” implies to both positions.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
because arguing
the importance of an olineman means that i dislike this pick?
yes we got “lucky” at wr despite us sucking with SS12 out of the picture but i think the pick is decent.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
that was due to an excessive amount
of injuries. So should we be like Matt Millen an just keep on drafting WR’s due to that fact?
If SS is still hurt, it's nice to get one.
Especially a guy who can return and help our field position.
YES
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
but why do we need him
for anything really?
have you see our special teams lately?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean to tell me
we needed to draft for this spot? someone couldnt have just filled this little value spot out?
remember Desean Jackson?
how little value does he have for his team?
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that depends
against us, he’s a hall of famer
against a team that can actually tackle he’s just another PR/WR
I guess there's not many teams in the NFL that can tackle....
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
so you think he's gonna be
another desean jackson?
I think he's gonna be a pain in the ass to cover
given what else we have.
Whether he’s another Jackson, who knows or cares.
All I know is he’s better then any of the crappy Ols available.
And while I’d like a LB there, I don’t think any are good enough to completely piss on passing him up.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
oh.
http://www.nfl.com/players/deseanjackson/gamelogs?id=JAC127681
He had 1/10 of his yards against us.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't have too much during this game
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Everytime I see the hit...I think
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
The best returner in the draft
is supposed to come from where exactly?
How quick people forget
that people were delusioned enough last season to think that we could get a break away threat like CJ Spiller last season and had McCluster absolutely nailed as a fallback for us last year. We got our guy in Jernigan and only 1 season removed you guys are all piss n’ vinegar over making a near steal pick of a comparable talent to the aforementioned in the 3rd round? Seriously?
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is O-line a problem again?
Lack of talent? No that isn’t it…
Lack of depth? No that isn’t it…
Was it…injuries?
Yea, I’m gonna go with injuries.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Koets was the center for three weeks last year
We didn’t skip a goddamn beat.
Petrus moved to guard against the Hawks, we ran the ball for 12 minutes straight.
Beatty played for several weeks late in the year, didn’t allow a sack if memory serves.
I like our YOUNG backups. And apparently, so does Jerry.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My memory fails me,
but those 3 weeks were against the Jaguars, Redskins, and Vikes, right?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Yea...
AKA Orakpo and Jared Allen…you gonna tell me those aren’t excellent pass rushers?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
beat me to it.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
I like where you're goin this mister Wooten!!
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
All 3 of those teams ranked in bottom 3rd of NFL
in terms of sacks.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Yea you're right
Keeping those beasts of Eli’s back for a franchise record number of games isn’t impressive at all.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is, Koets didn't face
elite pass rushes in those 3 games
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
He played center.
They don’t often face elite pass rushers.
He's a center.
If the O-line doesn’t fall to shambles, he did his job.
Guess what? He did his job.
If he sucked, we would have heard about it.
What are you arguing here? That we should have drafted a center in the third round because Adam Koets looked good against NFL teams?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They would've taken a C
if Wis was there.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and since
those guys are edge ushers, what role did Koets have regarding them? The Giants don’t want Koets to start, view him as a backup only.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Please tell me
you aren’t implying that Jerry has no intentions of drafting for the oline…
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Did I say that?
Implying that I really don’t see the harm in taking BPA, instead of reaching for OL early in the draft.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
William Beatty is your example???
Beatty sux he needs to be replaced. But he really didnt impress much
where did Beatty play enough to confirm that?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
...How've you come to the conclusion that Beatty "sux"?
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Probably those same keen evaluation skills
That led him to believe Goff sucks.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you changed your tune from suck
So you’re learning.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Absorb?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we at least need to draft an Olineman
to start sometime this century
that you, JimmyK?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It has something to do with the fact
that four of our starters are 30 and older, and injury prone.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
O'Hara and Andrews, yes, too many little injuries
Seubert has had his leg bent in awkward ways. McKenzie no problems. Don’t remember Diehl’s injury cause.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Hamstring tear for Diehl
and the “little injury” thing for Shawn Andrews was kinda not “little” in that he had a ruptured Lumbar Disc in his history which I don’t care how many years you’re removed from it. That is a life long injury that is life altering to say the least, let alone a career detriment.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
this guy is lightning in a bottle
and the newest member of the NY Giants…perhaps you should support him now…
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
we only support OLBs
and OL drafted in the 1st / 2nd round
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You 2 bumble heads together
are a Depakote prescription waiting to happen. LMAO
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Goff is questionable in coverage
But the dude is a straight up thumper in the run game.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
No
and he should be better this year after a full year of playing experience.
What happens if...
Well, if he is only passable like last year, the D as a whole will be improved with The Prince. And with Austin we can afford to let Barry walk and sign a FA LB or OL. Dillard and Tracy I think will be decent depth guys.
Okay that's a lot of assumptions there
First off Prince is a rookie anything we get out of him this year is a bonus don’t count on it though. Austin has not played in a year and you think he is going to see the field this season. how many time did Linval play last season? Barry has a SB ring and we know he can play. What FA LB is out there, most of the good ones are staying put. Dillard and Tracy are late round picks maybe they turn into somthing but there is more of a chance they don’t … Just saying
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
If you’re all worried about pass D and covering tight ends and 3rd (and 4th) WR’s, then Prince will definitely be a big upgrade regardless of who the starter is. He’ll be top 3 CB this year at worst. Austin will be a back-up and Linval and Canty will start. In the obvious passing downs, I’d rather have extra CBs and Ss on the field over LBs anyway.
Goff is okay
Is he our MLB, I certainly don’t think he has locked up the position.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He was better than anyone thought he was going to be
FAR from suck.
We have quite a few LBers on this roster who have yet to get an opportunity that could also be FAR from suck.
When we last won the Bowl in ‘07…we didn’t have a SINGLE elite LBer, nor did we have a single LBer that was even AVERAGE in coverage. It’s not the end all be all for this defense.
So to go on a tangent about how all this defense has is shitty LBers is simply untrue.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said Goff sucked
But let’s be real Goff flashed but he was a liability on passing downs to the point of he had to come off the field unacceptable for a MLB. Maybe Goff improves but what happens if he does not, you don’t think we should make him compete for the position?
As for 07 AP might not have been elite but he was pretty darn good and set up our whole D on the field. When he ran out of gas and than went down with the neck we have yet to find a replacement.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You never said Goff sucked...
But you failed to mention that he was a pleasant surprise in the middle of your ground hog day metaphor. Thought it was worth bringing up.
You say what if Goff doesn’t improve, I say what if he does? Not only what if he does, but what if Dillard, Tracy, and Sintim all pan out?
We just don’t know yet.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
In my heart I hope so too.
However as a pragmatic fan, I believe in players that are not proven should have to compete for their jobs, and Goff has not reached the level where I am comfortable saying yes he is our MLB. I hope Goff proves me wrong of course however I don’t think he has shown enough.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Who did we pass up in the draft who is proven?
You just blew up your own arguments.
JENGA!!
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"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt read what I said
I said a player who is not proven I.E. Goff should have to compete for his job, meaning that nobody is proven including Goff so why not bring in some guys to compete aginst him before pencinling him in as the starter is that asking to much?
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Goff proved enough
that he’d be ahead of anyone drafted today. Dillard and Tracy will provide camp competition.
Really
Are you okay with a MLB that has to come out on passing downs?
by Late for Dinner on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Goff survived an entire season behind
the shit-fest of a joke we fielded as a D-Line in ’09. That in my heart earned him a pleasantly unquestioned stay through the rest of what is percieved as the upside potential phase of his career which is not over with by any means.
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 29, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I lvoe speed
but I’d rather have speed on the ground…
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I wonder if Dillard gets a shot at SAM
Same size as Foster
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
tracy should too
same size as Ayers
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather let Tracy get a shot there.
Let Dillard stay at MIKE.
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
Good night
All the pissing and moaning is giving me a head ache. I think we got three nice players. That is all.
Go Giants!
I wrote a little piece about the Giants addressing WR in rounds 2-3
Can’t tell me that Eli doesn’t need more weapons. Take it to the house on any play sounds about right to me.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
heres a link
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/3/25/2072352/weapons-for-eli
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I do like how I voted for JJ
And even said I would love it if they targeted him in the 3rd round.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
And with all the injuries on the WR front
This pick actually makes alot of sense.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I really wanted Foster there
and Tampa took him with the very next pick. Damn. But I guess JR and company aren’t ready to give up on Sintim, Dillard, and Tracy.
I remember Kiper mentioning him at the start of the Draft tonight, seems pretty high on him as a top 10 WR. I don’t mind going WR really, but I was hoping for more taller threat that we haven’t had since the shot heard round NYC. Still, we could def use a return man, and this guy does seem to have the explosiveness to make big plays. Guess JR wasn’t sold on Victor Cruz. lol
A lot of people had Jernigan as a 2nd-3rd
Have not heard one thing bad about him. They say great hands, quickness and game speed.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
we have a REAL high WR
and he hasn’t done much
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 29, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"im not happy 6 dt s were taken before me,"
Guess who?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Say Austin! Say Austin! Please!
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
noce interview on sirius. sounds like a good angry kid.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
sorry in the car.
Noce – nice .
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Soooooo
It was Austin, right? LOL.
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
Free Agents
Steve Smith is a free agent and coming off of micro-fracture surgery. Manningham will be a free agent next year and I don’t believe he will be back with the Giants.
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
Why wouldn't Giants resign Ham? He's been a beast
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The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
He's the #3 WR on the Giants
while he could be a #2 on many other teams. He’ll go somewhere else to get more playing time.
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
Manningham has had good moments but it's not like he's a $8 million/yr player
And the track record on signing FA WRs is not good.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
He was our 3rd receiver and almost had 1000 yards
Given Smitty’s uncertainty, he’ll definitely be a starter next year
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prince was passed over because he had ZERO intercepts last season &
plays at least 7 yards off his receiver-farther back than any rated DB in the
draft.
As fo Jerbigan, ur QB is not a ery acurate QB-he gets his % up by throwing a lot of
short passes because he can’t make the mid range or long pass with any degree
of consistency. His yds per pass is up because Manningham, Nicks, & Bradshaw
are always a threat to run one of his 5 yard passes for a TD.
I know you're clearly not a Giants fan
But it’s sad that many of them here will agree with you.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
...How many Giants games have you watched?
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
frank
the 0 INT thing was dispelled as BS to be laughed at days ago.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
His long passes are better than his short passes
Eli sucks at easy. He’s good at hard.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Hahaha
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Prince gave up 18 completions
on 52 attempts against him all year. He was D player of the year from his conference. He’s considered technically superior to Peterson in pure coverage ability. He could play 7 yards off the line and still close the distance before quick plays could be completed.
Troll
Anyone can say whatever they want about Eli
just as long as the call him by his full name: Super Bowl MVP Eli Manning.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 29, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Super Bowl MVP Elijah Manning**
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
If I ever have a son,
I’m so naming him Elijah.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 30, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm naming mine Super Bowl MVP
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 30, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
LMAO
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Let's see
If you read my Tampa 2 FanPost, you’d know that when the Giants play zone, they play off at 4-yard and 9-yard clips. That means Prince is right in line in that regard. He’s also an excellent press CB so he can handle that.
Eli doesn’t throw a lot of short passes. He was 9th in the NFL yards gained per pass attempt. You don’t do that by throwing short passes. He was ahead of Brees, Peyton, Favre, Hasselback, Ryan, Flacco, Cassel, and Palmer.
Lastly, Bradshaw was 23rd in YAC, Manningham was 36th, and Nicks was 52nd. There weren’t a lot of 5-yard passes for big gains.
My point is your clueless.
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
I take it that those are total YACs
and not avg YACs. Cause Nicks is sick after the catch.
by YankeeDudeL on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're talking about 2011 post-Moss brady
As fo Jerbigan, ur QB is not a ery acurate QB-he gets his % up by throwing a lot of
short passes
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I think
he is really talking about Jeff Garcia, made his career doing that.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
this thread is almost as good as the "Tiki un-retires" one
It’s hilarious
sigh...
by nywins42 on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Tiki can play LB
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
nywins through that gem out there already
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's as funny as the thread where people thought Antrel Rolle was a better signing than Karlos Dansby
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I remembe that one
isn’t that the one where people thought our safety position was fine?
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no
It’s the one where people greatly ignored Antrel Rolle’s mediocre numbers, and heralded him as a stud
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He was clearly an upgrade.
Just do it already.
Being an upgrade over CC Brown is not an accomplishment
and we gave up about the same number of big plays in 2010 as we did in 2009
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BUT
We also led the league in takeaways
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolle had 1 FF and 1 pick
Not exactly a playmaker
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Dude was asked to play a unique position
Come on bro.
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing close to the LOS will usually...
Affect those type of stats negatively…
He was basically playing LBer.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
He was paid a premium to be an impact safety
and he wasn’t.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Sorry to pump my own FanPost
but in the Under China coverage, the FS is supposed to play the run. In many of the Tampa 2 coverages the FS plays close to the line.
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
Upgrading the position made the team better.
That is an accomplishment. That’s the whole point. That’s what JR has done so far in this draft, too. This team is a lot better than it was 3 days ago. You’re so hell-bent on OL and LB that you refuse to admit the truth.
I am not hell bent on anything
I just recognize that we have weaknesses in those 2 areas, and we haven’t addressed them yet.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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Did you forget
that the free agent signing period has not begun yet? Or that we have 5 more picks?
No
But I also haven’t forgot that we had the same deficiencies at LB last year, and filled it with Dillard and a guy coming off major surgery.
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you do have a completely valid point...
our LBs were horrible at times over the past few seasons and something will need to happen so it doesn’t happen again
sigh...
same one where they ignored Dansby as a mediocre player
who was a bad scheme fit?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dansby has been a stud his entire career, and he would've fit fine here.
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well no, but I care not to do this BS again.
and safety was a much bigger need considering we had no one worth anything returning aside from Kenny Phillips.
There were at least live bodies at LB.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true
wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.
andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….
What's not true?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Wouldn't Dansby
be the MLB version of Sintim?
Rolle is definitely a better signing because you can get away with mediocre LB play but you can’t get away with the safeties we had
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Again, the Giants gave up essentially the same number of big plays in 2010 that we did in 2009
Rolle was and is a mediocre S. We could’ve signed Atogwe for way less.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
He's far from mediocre in run D.
And that’s what they had him doing close to the LOS.
Our run defense gave up the same YPC in 2010 as it did in 2009
and it only allowed 9 less yards per game in 2010 than in 2009.
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Team stats to argue about 1 guy?
Besides, Fewell’s bend but don’t break style allows a lot of yards.
You said Rolle helped improve run D: the numbers beg to differ
Obviously, Rolle was an upgrade over our safeties from 2009, but he was mediocre for the most part.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
I said
“He’s far from mediocre in run D.” He made a lot of quality stops, not the chasing guys from behind after he whiffed tackles. The team numbers reflect the style of the coordinator, not one guy. The numbers would have been a lot worse without him.
It also allowed
a ton less points for game
Which is the most important thing in the end
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
We won 2 more games while our offense played considerably worse
You don’t think Rolle had something to do with that?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, no linebacker with six picks on defense
The Giants spent the first four picks in last year’s draft on defense (Pierre Paul, Joseph, Jones, and Dillard) and the first two picks this year on defense (Amukamara and Austin) and NOT one on a single linebacker!
Um, Dillard is a linebacker
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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what if Amukamara was a LB?
I mean we all know he’s a CB, but if we just called him a LB is that OK? Cuz it seems that regardless of the fact that the Giants didn’t exactly pass on any GOOD LB, the idea of simply drafting an LB is all that really matters.
So here goes:
1) Prince Amukamara LB Nebraska
2) Marvin Austin LB UNC
3) Jerel Jernigan LB Troy
Draft = successess!
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
would it kill Reese to pick a LB
in the first 3 rounds?
we did
see look, we drafted one in each round.
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by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You fucked up.
1) Prince Amukamara OLB/LT Nebraska
2) Marvin Austin MLB/RG UNC
3) Jerel Jernigan OLB/C Troy
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot, yea
everyone is a LB/ OL hybrid.
Since names, talent and all that other good stuff is absolutely meaningless, they might as well just call them something else.
I bet 90% of complaints would just die out if a simple typo here and there cropped up about these guys being LBs or OLs
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda scared though
That’s an undersized line!
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
PLUS
this guy is a senior that has proved it for 4 years not like Sinorice that came out early and got alot of props because of Santana
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 29, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
These 3-5 comments ^^^^^
are hilarious
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
LBZESSSS!!
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
I SMELL SOME DRAFT PROPAGANDA!!!!!
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 29, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
119.4 per game avg in college WWWWTTTTTFFFF is that, thats mind blowing!!!
If JJ did that...I may change my mind about the pick...
MAY!
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Time to focus on the positive
Dallas has no secondary or interior OL.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
+1000000000000000000
Nywins42
definitely man, it honestly has the POTENTIAL to be one of the BEST drafts I’ve ever been apart of. Imagine if JPP and Marvin Austin fill there potential and Anvil becomes a solid player which people think hes going to be more then that,with Tuck,Osi,Kiwi and Canty? WTF
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 29, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the bright side
If,IF we get the OLB from Texas A&M which I wont say his name because I dont want to jinx it like I did with Ijalana(right when I said we almost got him ,the Colts took him)Just look him up hes still on the board if we get him Im going to go to sleep until Training camp starts so I can save up all my energy because its going to be crazy!!!!!
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I have
No idea who you’re talking about. Only good A&M LB I can think of is long gone, Miller
Oh
KJ Wright? I don’t see him as anything special…I could be wrong thoughj.
4th or 5th
I like in those rounds, very quick good in coverage and what about Mark Herzlich?
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Greg Jones is still on board
Do not know why or how. Some had him as a first rounder mid 2010
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't Texas A&M
Play a 3-4?
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
So does
UNC, yet we wanted Bruce Carter. Just because they come from a 3-4 school doesn’t mean they are strictly a 3-4 LB
Depends on their physical assets.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
UNC runs a 4-3
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 30, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, the Giants spent five picks on defense and no linebacker
The Giants spent the first three picks in last year’s draft on defense (Pierre Paul, Joseph, Jones) and the first two picks this year on defense (Amukamara and Austin) and NOT one on a single linebacker!
You can't just point out random guys
and say “they aren’t linebackers.” They drafted Dillard and Tracy last year.
So the Giants didn't draft a LB
stop the presses, call the armed guards, hide your kids, hide your wife.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 29, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...and hide yo husband, cuz they rapin' errbody out here!
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
If so, Albert Haynesworth might be an accomplice.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Which LB should they have drafted before JPP or Amukamara?
Jones has to be removed because he would have been a nice addition to this defense
sigh...
and Jones, at 6"3 225
kind of is a LB
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Apr 30, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope so man
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 30, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Because all five of those players...
were better than any Lber available at their spot…DUH!
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Who did he miss?
there were reaches, but no one that had the right value at our picks
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The draft is a bust!
We haven’t picked a single TE yet!
This is how it works!
Best ROOKIE Available in draft and Best Veteran to fill a NEED.You never fill NEEDS with UNPROVEN PLAYERS! You fill with STOP GAP or young veterans(Antrel Rolle and Michael Boley)
PERIOD
...yeah
screw all these rookie QB’s. just get peyton when he reaches FA
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Nice rebuttal!
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
But if Cam Newton Sucks...
The Panthers will probably wish the took Marc Bulger off FA, and drafted Pat Peterson..
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 30, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
USING capital LETTERS RANDOMLY does not make your point VALID
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
No it doesnt your right
Watch the Master Jerry Reese in action and just putting it in english for you makes me RIGHT!
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
BUT...does it make it INVALID?
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 30, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
hahah
oh god…was that intentional?
so much better if it wasn’t
I don't always hope for draft picks, but when I do, I prefer Owen Marecic.
by tito (eight and oh) on Apr 30, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
There is an OTL profile on Austin that is a must see
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
so what foes cofield give us
when we trade him?
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
2nd rounder, the Giants offered him a 2nd round tender I believe.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
Team mascot?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
really? lol
If I was Plax I would be excited to come back and finish 2008’s unfinished business
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
My take on LBs
I’d like to see us draft a great LB, too, but each of the past two years have been thin on great LB prospects. We know you gotta go BPA, and we didn’t have high enough picks to get the guys we wanted. And by the time we were making our picks, we went with who was rated highest on our board.
Still, I would have liked to grab Foster. But who knows. Maybe Sintim or Dillard will be ready to break out, and maybe Jernigan will be our DeSean Jackson or Dez Bryant. Minus the whole getting kicked out of malls and celebrating before crossing the goal line things.
My thoughts
Absolutely awesome we got Austin.
Sad that it means Cofield is practically gone, but maybe we can trade him for picks now when we can again?
Happy with this pick
the third round pick, not so much. I understand why he was picked, and begrudgingly accept it, but I really do think Mason would help us more.
But hey, that’s why I’m posting here instead of bringing in the big bucks
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I actually wasn't that thrilled when I saw some of his tape
I don’t think Cofield is gone just yet. Depends if we can draft him or not because it looks like he won’t be a FA.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
K.J Wright Mississippi State
6’4 250 4.5 speed, I think thats our pick in the 4th because I dont believe Clint Boling is going to be available at our pick in the 4th.
Or what about FB Henry Hynoski?
He's
going to the Eagles. They need an OLB more than we do considering their Dline and Secondary are absolute trash.
They picked that other LB out of Mississippi Statelast year too
in the 7th and he was starting for them after the injuries
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
A lot of people here wanted him in the 3rd LOL
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
LMAO, I know man I cant help it
I dont want to go to sleep yet lol
Marvin Austin
Reminds me of when we chose Mario Manningham at the bottom of the third because of character issues.
you should see this guy working out he's 310lbs of pure muscle and he's pissed
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
So anyway
Love the Prince pick
Hate the Marvin Austin pick beacuse he’s boom or bust. dont like those risky players
And I love the Jerigan pick IF we make it up with a LB in FA/rounds 4-7 and not go into 2012 with bulluck, goff, and boley again
What about Austin's play makes him boom or bust?
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
LOL
Marvin a boom or bust? What makes you say that? I would really like to know why you think that.
if he tries he's a beast....
and apparently it’s a pretty big if
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
No
His work ethic is actually amazing and all reports say he doesn’t let up on plays.
If his work ethic was anything short of amazing he would be way overweight and nobody would pick him
Yeah, from what I saw he was always hustling down the field
But every character guy is a boom or bust apparently. Not like the stuff he did was that bad either, nothing thug like, just immature. I think that not playing football for a year will have taught him a lesson as well.
Austin was suspended for all of last season because of a violation of team rules as well as improper contact with agents. That came after he was cited for a misdemeanor noise ordinance violation, a driving without registration citation, a citation for improper window tinting and a two-game suspension in 2009 for arriving late to class.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously man
So the kid had his music on too loud, drove without a registration citation, and his windows were tinted so that means he has character issues? I understand the agent thing, but because of mistake to label someone with character issues is irresponsible and beyond stupid
That is what I'm saying
He’s not a thug, all the “bad” things about him are quite normal for any 20 year old kid.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Apr 30, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense but all that stuff is bullshit
A noise violation? Windows too tinted? It’s not like he was caught with a gun or failed drug tests? Dude was chillin his his whip bumpin some tunes for the hoochies. Ain’t nuthin wrong with that.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Apr 30, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is this coming from? Who said this kid is lazy and doesn't go hard on the field?
That doesn’t come from Butch Davis so who is stating this lazy story? This kid didn’t finish no less than 2nd in every drill at the NFL combine. If that is his lazy then we are good to go
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
He meant
He doesnt like players that tell Mike Vick “Im a BOOM or BUST yo a$$”
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LMAO
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
He's portrayed as a boom or bust pick because of character issue's.
Hopefully that’s behind him.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
He
never had character issues. he’s not disrespectful, he doesn’t go out and get wasted then drive a car, he doesn’t hang out with thugs. He made one mistake and he’s over that, watch his OTL report you can’t fake that.
He’s a good kid who made a bad mistake.
I'd like to watch that too.
I figured the media was exaggerating.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Our Giants who art in the New Giants Stadium,
hallowed be thy name.
No Three and Outs.
Thy defense Stout.
On earth or if we must in a dome.
Give us on Sunday our weekly Dubya,
and forgive us our turnovers,
as we take advantage of those who turnover against us,
and lead us not into a losing season,
but deliver us a fourth Super Bowl title.
To Eli we pray.
Amen.
^ Yeah, I believe we should all have this as part of our sig, which is why I stole it. :)
I think it was blue gonz
who said more of our players should do yoga.
Helps lower injuries
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
he has amazing work ethic, are you serious?
dude his entire reputation at UNC has been because of huge character issues and motivation issues.
HOWEVER, this offseason hes shown to have great work ethic. people are concerned hes only doing it for a paycheck and not because hes changed. i hope its the former
Who the hell doesn't do what they call a living
for a paycheck? A person getting slandered with the “character flaw” tag at his age and situation only means that a deeper investigation gets triggered by a serious suitor. Everyone is young and immature at some point in their lives. People move on and with the right things in place, they rise above these trivial things called labels. JR and his staff personally consulted and addressed whatever issues on this guy who seems to be nothing more than a technicality issue that fell victim to a systematically crooked program. While scholarships are a blessing as it is, collegiate athletes should be compensated for the heaping piles of revenue they generate. Regardless of intent on what they plan on doing with their scholastic endeavors, no regular part of a student body is required to adhere to the astonishing physical demands placed on them like a D1 NCAA football player. And not for nothing but I’m guessing that this kid didn’t exactly have the easiest time growing up with as candid his mother was when she was interviewed. Congratulations Marvin Austin and welcome to the good life young man, I have high hopes for you!!
"Intelligence is not a genetic predisposition. Think stupid!!"
by Wright of passage on Apr 30, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I threw away laziness rumors out the window
after the combine, I said I like this kid he showed up to show these scouts how much of a beast he is, He got a year off hes as healthy as possible and after watching OTL hes DEFINITELY in the best shape hes ever been in. After watching that,it just made me like Reese and his crew even more,man we might’ve found a BEAST in the bottom of the second round.WOW
by gmen2thebowl on Apr 30, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think a player who's in the shape Austin is
and took a year off of football, can have his motivation questioned.
If he was a motivational issue, he’d be 500lbs and have moobs down to the floor
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
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@Wright of passage
You obviously dont understand how people with bad character think. Austin throughout his career has been known as a me-first palyer with a questionable attitude, takes cheap shots, and doesnt play with consistent motivation and effort. That’s why this sudden new guy thats been shown in this draft offseason can be seen as ingenuine and that he is just now turning it on because he wants a paycheck (yeah, no crap, that’s what you want of course) but will just turn off his motor again once its over. But you see — that’s where I hope I’m wrong, I hope he has really changed and this new marvin austin is a changed character from his past and is now a guy with great work ethic. But I can also be skeptical to believe there’s a chance that’s not true.
Wow
I can’t claim to be a professional judge of character or talent, but he doesn’t seem like a thug or a malcontent at all. He actually comes off as a pretty smart kid who is actually pretty well spoken and understands how the whole college recruiting system works. He doesn’t sound like one of those guys you would associate with only looking for a paycheck or a quick score. In that OTL interview he came off as a man. Not a boy who is influenced by those around him or agents controlling him like a puppet.. He looks like and talks like a man who is ready to play football professionally and hurt some dudes. I like the pick.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
I'm with you on this one
Also, Even if he was the most lazy player in the world I think what he lost after being dismissed from UNC football was the best thing for this kid’s future. He obviously loves the game and realizes how close he came to losing this opportunity. I think he’s dead serious about football if only because he came so close to losing it.
sigh...
NY Giants have the best draft in the NFC East so far
Would you trade our picks for the picks of our division competitors? We are picking up guys who should have been picked much earlier and not because of injuries. I think Jerry Reese is doing a masterful job.
Is it possible the coaches know our OL and LBs have some developing or recovering players who will be good? Petrus, Dillard, etc? Also, maybe LB is the defensive version of Rb, not that highly valued. Of course, would not mind having Clay Matthews.
People
need to stop jumping on CASEY Matthews. He’s a Chase Blackburn 2.0. Good Special Teams, nice bench player.
The only reason people like him is cuz they think for some reason he’s similar to Clay.
agreed
I don’t like him either.
Rather have Mario Harvey
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The Giants defense will be better, but the area of need going into the draft was OL and LB
Look, all of those players picked are high value picks who should have been picked higher.
And I the Giants defense will be improved as long as the players play—Joseph hardly played last season. What’s the point if our first round picks and second round picks don’t start (i.e. Paul, Joseph, and now Austin)?
And even if there wasn’t a linebacker worth drafting in any particular spot, the Giants could have moved up to take one (Carter in the second).
And I would have liked the Giants to have drafted Foster in the third and drafted a return man in the 4th. But Cannon (OL) and Sturdivant and Wright (LBs) would be nice in the 4th.
I think we will see much more of JPP and Joseph this year
We’ll see more and more of Austin as the “season” moves on.
sigh...
Athletetic players needed
Along with there more well known needs, the giants did need to add more athletic speedy players to help the return game and special teams. Let’s hope sturdivant or herzlich falls to the giants in the 4th round.
by ejcal70 on Apr 30, 2011 7:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hope
I hope the Giants didn’t just draft another Sinorice Moss after so recently getting rid of the original Sinorice Moss.
I don't think
this kid comes with a rabbit foot attached to his derriere!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Apr 30, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
David Meggett
Minus the jail term, one hopes
by Commissioner.Gordon on Apr 30, 2011 9:13 AM EDT reply actions
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