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The Tampa 2 and the NY Giants

When Perry Fewell was hired last off-season, we thought that the Giants would be switching to a Tampa 2 defense.  Fewell and his assistants kept denying it though. 

NJ.com:

"I would label Coach Fewell as a multiple-front, multiple-, multiple-coverage defensive coordinator," Merritt said. "He is the furthest from a Tampa-2 guy."

A year later, I think we'd all agree that we run a Tampa 2 defense.  Of course, there are many blitzes, stunts, and coverages that make the defense "multiple" but everything is a wrinkle to the original Tampa 2 base defense.

The T2 defense is still new to most of us.  Nobody in our division besides us runs it.  In fact, the only team on the  2011 schedule that runs it is Chicago and the only teams on the 2010 schedule that ran it were Minnesota, Chicago, and Indianopolis.  That's not a great sampling.  If we're going to properly prescribe what we need in the draft and in free agency, we must first analyze the T2 defense. 

To help me do that, I will be using Monte Kiffin's 1999 Tampa Bay Buccaneers playbook.

Note: All of the photos have been scaled down.  Click on them for a larger and clearer view.  Unless otherwise specified, anything in a block quote comes directly from the playbook.  All rights reserved.

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I. The Basics

A. Philosophy

  1. Basic 4-3 alignment. 4 down linemen Over & Under.
  2. Gap Control - 1 Gap Football
  3. Defensive line coming off the line in an attack mode.  Stepping first and reading the run.
  4. Basic 4 Man Front with Front, LBs, and Secondary coordinated. Will refer to as Strong Roll or Weak Roll.
  5. Mix of Zone, man, and combination Zone.  Change up by the Secondary in Zones and man concept.  Cloud, Cathy, Bump, Off, etc.
  6. Enough change up in defensive package so as not to be predictable but not to the extent that it cannot be learned or executed by the defense.

My Thoughts:

  • In 2009 there were complaints about how often our defensive ends were out in coverage.  Fewell was supposed to bring an end to that.  For the most part, he did that.  The Giants were near the top in the league in sacks. However, on that 65-yard TD pass to Brent Celek in the Eight Minutes of Infamy game, as I call it, Celek was being covered by Justin Tuck.  I know Kenny Phillips missed the tackle but if you watch the video of that play, Vick had all day to throw.  Perhaps a pass-rushing Tuck doesn't even let Vick get the throw off.

Celek 65 yard TD (via jimmykempski)

 

  • With the change to a 1-gap philosophy, Cofield had his first chance at becoming a pass-rushing DT.  In previous seasons he came off the field on most passing downs and this year he stayed on the field. He did well in the role.  Still though, I'm convinced that many DTs could have done better.  With Osi and Tuck at the ends and Canty taking on two offensive linemen on almost every snap, I can't help but wonder how Fred Robbins would've done in that role.  He had 6.0 sacks for St. Louis at 33-years-old.

B. Objectives

  1. Turnovers: Sometimes the offense will turn it over and other times you as a defense can force the turn over. Pursuit and gang tackling will cause fumbles. Pressure up front and reading the QB in your zones will lead to interceptions.
  2. Win 1st Down Run: (3 yards or less) Force 2nd & long so you can get into your Go’s and Greens for rush and your 7 man fronts. When you win 1st down, your odds go up to force the 3rd & long which is the key on defense.
  3. Get Off on 3rd Down: Every time you win on 3rd down, you automatically have picked up 6 snaps on your opponent and maybe more. It for sure is 3 less snaps for them because they are off the field and it just gave our offense 3 more snaps because we are on the field.
  4. Don’t Give Up the Big Play: Make them earn it. Sometimes they will stop themselves if you do not give them the cheap one.
  5. Eliminate Foolish Penalties: Ne excuse for foolish penalties. Foolish offside, late hit out-of-bounds, taking a swing, etc. There will be enough bad judgment calls as it is that we cannot afford penalties that we actually can control.
  6. Score on Defense: Whenever we intercept a pass, yell "Oskie" and think score. Everyone go immediately to near sideline and get a block. Your block can make the difference.
  7. Sudden Change: Have pride in sudden change. Our offense certainly did not turn it ever because they wanted to, just like we did not let a team score on us because we did not care. Take the field with a positive attitude with everyone pulling together.
  8. Stop the Run & Don’t Give Up the Big Play: You do this & the odds of you winning go up tremendously.

My Thoughts:

  • We could have a FanPost on these alone.  There were way too many big plays made against the Giants: the 71-yard TD on a screen pass to Felix Jones; the two 4th-quarter runs by LeSean McCoy; take your pick in the 2nd Eagles game and the entire Packers game.  Even in games which we won such as the Detroit and 2nd Washington games, there were TD passes of 64 yards and 87 yards allowed to make those games closer than they should have been.
  • I was underwhelmed with the interceptions.  Perhaps Phillips needed last year to get his feet knees back under him but I think playing so deep had an adverse affect on his INT numbers.  Perhaps Rolle was still adjusting to playing so close to the line but he took too many bad angles to the ball.  I'll cover this more in depth later..
  • I think we'd all agree that the biggest and worst defensive penalty was the offside penalty on Jason Pierre-Paul.  It gave the Eagles new life.

II. General Concepts of Coverages


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III. Defensive Fronts and Stunts

A. Under Defense and Stunts

In this defense, the SAM holds the edge to stop cutbacks and tosses  The WILL is out in zone coverage or fills the gaps to stop a run between the tackles.  Both the WILL and the SAM must be good run stoppers in this defense.

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An example of someone who did not do their job in this defense was Michael Boley in the first Eagles game.  He was the SAM and was supposed to maintain the edge.  Instead he was out of position and got blocked away from the play by Celek, allowing McCoy to get outside for a back-breaking TD.

LeSean McCoy 50 yard touchdown run on 4th down (via MrPlayerh8ter)

 


B. Over Defense and Stunts

In this defense, the SAM is aligned on the opposite side of the TE.  If it is run, then the WILL maintains gap responsibility.  In the Buck and Bass stunts, when the closed end (Tuck) uses an inside pass rush, the WILL must then move outside to fill the D gap.  When the closed end uses an outside pass rush, he must also fill the D gap and the WILL stays back in coverage.

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IV. Defensive Coverages

To properly read these coverages, you have to look at the alignment, the responsibilities, and the coverage areas.

A. Over 2 (Cover 2) Zone

This is your basic Cover 2 Zone defense.  Play recognition is crucial because a lot of the coverage is predicated on reacting to what's in front of you.  If you're slow to diagnose a play, then you're slower to defend it.  Also, gang tackling is a staple of the T2 so even if a play isn't in your zone, you must still be quick to the ball.

The WILL is always on the side with the TE.  He aligns on the inside or directly across from the TE unless it is an Empty offensive alignment.  (In an Empty set, the WILL moves over to cover a  WR or the HB.)  Although #3 says that both the SAM and WILL have pass responsibilities, the WILL and MIKE key the TE.

The CBs play run first and pass second.  As soon as he recognizes run, the CB must attack.  In pass coverage, the CB wants to force WRs inside.  It's to make the QB throw into the zone.  With so many people out in pass coverage, it might confuse the QB, which could lead to a mistake.  Another reason is that throwing into traffic could lead to a tipped pass and interception.  Giants fans know that one well.

The safeties play pass first and run second.

 

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In the Cover 2 Zone Flow alignment, the SAM handles hook routes.  Based on the coverage chart in Section II we know that hook routes are 9-15 yards deep and go from the TE to the opposite OT.  The WILL handles curl routes.  The coverage chart says that curl routes are inside of a WR but outside of a TE and go 8-15 yards deep.  The SAM has a smaller area to cover and is in a more confined space.  The MIKE has the middle read.  At the snap of ball he has to read the HB, QB, and TE and adjust according to what he sees.

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Let's take a look at the Cover 2 Zone Diamonds alignment.  The SAM has seam routes and gets help from the SS.  Based on the coverage chart, seam routes are areas between two zones and usually where the TE lines up.  In this look, the seam route would be between the slot area and the hook area but opposite the TE.   The WILL has curl routes and gets help from the FS. The MIKE has deep middle and reads both sides. 

The safeties play halfway.  The CBs are in a straight zone.

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B. Under Pirate 57

In this zone coverage the SAM is always across from the TE unless he is checked out of the alignment.  He often lines up at the line of scrimmage.  The MIKE and WILL remain in their base alignment.  The SAM has more responsibility in pass coverage in this coverage than in the Cover 2 Zone.  Whereas both the MIKE and WILL key the TE in the Cover 2 Zone coverage, only the SAM keys the TE in the Under Pirate 57.

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In the Under Pirate 57 Flow coverage, the SAM stays in his curl zone and covers the FB who is out on a route.  He lets the TE go by him, who is picked up by the SS and MIKE.


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C. Over Smack 6

I believe the Giants ran the Over Smack 6 coverage a lot.  There's a Nickel coverage that they ran a lot as well but I will address it later.

The SAM and WILL play a buzz zone.  It means they handle the curl and flat routes.

The MIKE handles the hook routes and check downs

In the previous two coverages, the CBs were 4 yards off the line of scrimmage.  In this coverage, the CBs are 9 yards off the line.  That is more in line with what we saw this year. 

The SS plays deep middle and shades the side of the TE

The LBs focus on 15 yards and in and the SS plays 22 yards down field.  It's no wonder why the Giants had so much trouble in the middle of their zone.  I'm hoping that two years after his surgeries KP will regain his speed.  This defense requires a hard-hitting SS who has closeout speed.  He can either make receivers pay for going over the middle or pick the pass off completely. 

I don't want to put it all on KP.  More athletic LBs who can retreat would also help.  Boley can handle that but we have to see whether Goff improves in this regard in his 2nd season as a starter in the T2.  This would be a concern for Clint Sintim as well.

 

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D. Under China

Here is our first man coverage in the T2 scheme.  The SAM covers the TE and gets help from the FS.  This is more of what we're used to seeing.  The SS has the deep middle.

Look at #5. You'll notice that the responsibility of the FS is to cover the HB.  In other words, Antrel Rolle in run defense isn't necessarily a byproduct of bad LBs.  It's an actual aspect of the coverage.  In "Alert Yukon" or checked plays the SS covers the HB and the FS has the freedom to roam.

 

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E. Nickel Coverage

There are four Nickel coverages: Nickel/1 LurkNickel/1 Plug; Nickel/2; and Nickel/2 Man.  I will address the Nickel/2 Man coverage only.  It's the coverage in which the Giants gave up two big touchdowns that we all remember.

As the description states, this is a Cover 2 Man coverage as opposed to the Cover 2 Zone coverage that I addressed above.  While in Cover 2 Zone the CBs force the WRs to the inside, in Cover 2 Man the CBs force the WRs to the outside.  Since help isn't readily available in man coverage, you use the sideline as a defender.

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In the offensive alignment below, the WILL covers the TE; the MIKE covers the HB or FB; the nickel CB or 3rd safety covers the 3rd WR.  This debunks the theory that only the SAM covers the TE in man coverage.

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Unfortunately, last year two plays that really hurt the Giants happened against this coverage.  Let's take a look.

The first one comes in Week 6 against Detroit.  It was 21-10 Giants with 13:36 remaining in the 4th quarter.  Detroit had the ball on their 13-yard line and it was 3rd and 10.  Drew Stanton was in the shotgun formation with two WRs split right and one WR split left.  The TE was lined up next to the LT with the RB behind him.  The CBs were head up in man coverage; the safeties were deep; the open end was lined up outside the TE, and the MIKE was lined up across from the TE.

At the snap of the ball, the RB immediately went out on a route and Goff covered him.  The TE released and Boley covered him.  Terrell Thomas gave Calvin Johnson a free release to the outside.  Everyone was in man coverage.  Stanton stepped up and threw high and to the sideline to Johnson as Thomas' feet got tangled up.  He made a desperate try for the ball that failed and he fell. 

This is where we should have seen Rolle closing in on Johnson to make the tackle and limit the damage.  Instead he tried to undercut the throw and missed badly.  Johnson made the catch and had wide open space between him and the end zone.  Touchdown Detroit.

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The next play was in Week 16 against Green Bay.  It was 1st and 10 Green Bay at their 20-yard line.  Green Bay had two WRs split left and one right.  Aaron Rodgers was in a shotgun formation.  This time the TE was in the backfield with the RB.  Same as above, the CBs were head up in man coverage and the safeties were in deep half coverage. However, this time Deon Grant was the second safety and Rolle was the nickel CB.

At the snap of the ball, the TE acts as if he is going out on a route but he stops at the line of scrimmage to block.  Rodgers fakes the hand off to the RB with a play-action, leaving the RB to block as well. As such, both Goff and Boley stay at the line as the play develops behind them. 

Rolle should have keyed his man, 3rd WR Jordy Nelson.  Instead he looked at Rodgers and fell for the fake.  He took a step toward the line.  By the time he realized that it was a pass play, Nelson was already running by him and Rolle was in perpetual catch-up mode.  Rodgers threw the ball to Nelson and he ran for a 80-yard TD.

Obviously, Rolle was the first culpable person.  However, he was not the only one.  Stop the video at 0:09 seconds. KP and Grant were too far outside and left the middle completely exposed.  They were supposed to be shading the middle. Also, KP seemed to key just the WR on his side of the field instead of looking at the entire field.  Nelson was already a step behind KP before KP even turned.

Jordy Nelson 80 yard touchdown vs Giants (via SNNightly)

 

V. Final Thoughts


A. Linebackers

MIKE:

  • The Giants need someone who has the sideline-to-sideline speed to close out in zone coverage.  This player must know the defense in and out.  It's a read and react defense and he will often have the middle read.  If he is indecisive, then many plays will be given up in the middle of the field.  Jonathan Goff is excellent in run defense. He handles himself well when plugging a gap.  I don't think he has the requisite speed but that wouldn't be a big problem if he were better at diagnosing pass plays.  He must improve his awareness.

SAM and WILL:

  • There are more coverages where the WILL keys the TE than I thought.  Based on the numbers, the WILL plays the TE more than the SAM does, which is surprising.  It seems Sintim and Bullock were in fact playing SAM after all but simply a T2 SAM.  Calling Boley the WILL as Fewell did was accurate.  Of course, nobody knows how many plays were run in each coverage.  Just because they're in the playbook doesn't mean they were used a lot or at all. 
  • Similar to the MIKE, both will have to play in space and will need speed.  However, if we assume that Fewell will use more of the plays that require the WILL to key TE, then the WILL needs to be faster and better in space than the SAM.  Kiwi had his success early in the season as a rover SAM and played close to the line of scrimmage while Boley handled most of the coverage duties.
  • I see no reason why Sintim can't play the same rover SAM role.  Don't tell me it's because Kiwi has better hips or more speed than Sintim because it's simply not true.  I can no longer say that Fewell did not use Sintim at SAM but I still say that Sintim wasn't given enough opportunities.  I'd still like to see Sintim in more blitzing situations.  He led the NCAA in sacks in 2008.  I'd still take someone like Foster who has experience playing all three LB spots.  He and Adrian Tracy could vie for playing time as backups.

B. Defensive Backs

Cornerbacks:

  • While Fewell used a lot of zone, it seems he used a fair amount of man as well in nickel coverages.  Thomas definitely regressed last year and I can no longer defend Aaron Ross.  I'd like a real athlete to be the #2 CB behind Webster and move Thomas to the slot/nickel CB role.  I don't feel that Thomas has the speed to hang with the athletes that the Giants will face at WR.  Jimmy Smith fits that role. 

Safeties:

  • They were leaps and bounds better than what we had in 2009 but the safeties were a problem in 2010. KP needs his speed back.  Playing the deep middle, too many plays are being made by opposing offenses in front of him.  I think too much blame was put on the LBs for those plays.  KP is one of my favorite Giants but he has to take his share of the blame.  I'm hoping that the 2009 KP that ate up Tony Romo will be back in 2011.
  • I was very disappointed with Rolle.  He was great in run defense but as a former CB, his decision-making in pass coverage was scary bad.  He took reckless chances that left the entire defense in a hole.  Maybe he didn't like playing close to the line and he wanted a few plays on the ball.  Maybe he was trying to prove himself to the new city, fans, team, etc.  Be consistent and disciplined.  That's enough.
  • Grant was a solid performer and played better than I anticipated.  Nonetheless, I'd like to draft Marcus Gilchrist as a replacement.  I shake my head when I think of what Chad Jones could have been for us. I pray that his quality of life isn't compromised.

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Incredible write up.

I love posts like this, really raises my level of understanding.

by GiantNomad on Apr 25, 2011 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Good shit

tho I’d make one suggestion: Marcus Gilchrist is not a viable replacement for Deon Grant, since he’s tiny. Robert Sands on the other hand….

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Apr 25, 2011 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

True

Gilchrist was my CB/SS pick if we didn’t get a CB. If we get a CB, then I’d like safety similar to Chad Jones.

wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.

andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….

by GhostDini on Apr 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am humbled

This is a monster post. It will take time for me to absorb it.

Post of the year, awarded already. Nothing will come close.

Thanks for the effort.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.

by UnknownJintsFan on Apr 25, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Excellent, excellent, EXCELLENT!!

Thanks for posting. I’ve been looking for a nice primer on the T2. This is perfect.
Also, a nice summation regarding specific players in your “final thoughts” . I’m hoping another year with the system will raise the level of play. So keeping Fewell was huge.
 It really sucks that two key pieces ( Jones and Kiwi) that seemed born to play their respective positions in this D were lost last year. Maybe Kiwi makes it back and we keep him.
 

Go Giants!

by ronjohnson on Apr 25, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Really interesting stuff

Makes a lot of things clearer. If only we knew the play calls, than we could tell for sure who messed up.

Just for clarification, is Tampa 2 the name of the play where they have everyone playing zone, or the whole defense with everything you listed here? Because if it’s the former, I don’t really agree that we run the specific play as much as you said. I wish there were numbers somewhere so we could know for sure.

I agree with your final thoughts. Since Goff is really good at run defending, but not as good pass defending, couldn’t we move him to SAM to minimize his pass defending limitations while maximizing his run stopping?

Another idea I’ve been thinking about is making Thomas the Charles Woodson slot/rover guy. Thomas is good at run defense, and seems like a good blitzer. Maybe he could take Grant’s role?

Hopefully KP follow’s Osi and plays a whole lot better with another year away from surgery.

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Apr 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Tampa 2 is the name of the whole base defense, with everything here included. “Tampa” because that was where the defense originated in this form, and “2” because the standard formation calls for 2 safeties back equally deep.

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Apr 26, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're really sick you know that?

my blackberry couldn’t even process all this data on the train….it just got like half way through and it started giving me error messages.

I’m gonna have to print this shit out or something….

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Apr 25, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

My school’s proxy blocks like half the images unfortunately

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Apr 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give props where props are due, GhostDini

definitely have a lot to say about this when the draft is over though haha. Thanks man

Final Dream Draft

1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Marvin Austin, DT
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, OC
4) Chimdi Chekwa, CB
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
6) Jarriel King, OT
6) Josh Bynes, ILB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 25, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Terrific post

By far the best analysis of the Giants’ strengths and weaknesses I’ve seen. Frankly, I hope the Giants’ own analysis is this sophisticated. This confirms my own intuition that it was weak corner and safety play that was the principal cause for the Giants’ demise last year. Also agree with the linebacker assessments. A speedy linebacker with good coverage instincts is needed for this defense — but improving the corners and safeties ought to be a top priority. Ross is nothing more than a dime corner at best.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I think this is right on

But you minimize Goff’s failures a bit. When the underneath LB gives up his zone covg so frequently and to my eye so predictably, it let’s a good QB/OC combo have very easy methods to probe and attack your D.

I agree about Sintim, especially opportunity

Not sure about Thomas, but Smith pushing him to nickel CB is a win win. Plus you end up with 2 bigger run defending CBs

It was a good D last year, another year in the same system, another year to improve the personnel.

by trueblue63 on Apr 25, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Questions

1) Do you think Linval Joseph was drafted to replace Cofield? That seems likely based on your observations. He seems like a more agile press the line guy than Barry?

2) Let’s say the team drafts Smith as you suggest, and it’s the beginning of round 2. Both Ayers and Foster are still on the board. Do you start dialing teams up in hopes of getting the LB that might complete the D or do you sit tight and grab the C/OG that could help your interior line play.

(I tend to think the interior OL need is overstated, but it’s never a bad idea to solidify the OL)

by trueblue63 on Apr 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Linval was drafted

because there was a run on linemen at the begibning of the second round last year, he simply was the best tackle left, I think the also wanted a big guy up front, some one to sub in for Canty…… I do think he was insurance for coefield as well but if Coefield goes and Linval steps in, he will definetly play nose and let Canty slide to 3 technique where i think his athleticism would be better utilizied.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Apr 25, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see that, but either way

It would seem like addressing the DT need as Ghost spoke to is likely on roster

It may get addressed again, but I hesitate to call it an urgency right now

by trueblue63 on Apr 25, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember they were trying to trade Cofield last year

Joseph was likely a Cofield replacement. He is more of a strength player than agile, similar to Cofield.

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Apr 26, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Answers

1) Yes. The Giants were willing to trade Cofield for a second-round pick and Linval was picked in the second round. With a new CBA, Cofield would’ve been a FA and would have likely signed somewhere else. I predicted that Linval would be picked by the Giants so I don’t think it was a coincidence. I disagree with Blue Gates. To me, Linval is a more talented Cofield, which would make him like Fred Robbins. Canty will never be more than a space eater and run stopper. They needed someone else to penetrate the line. I believe Linval has the versatility to be that pass-rushing DT.

2) Very good question. In a normal season, I wouldn’t do it. I’d look to free agency as the Giants did to get Deon Grant. In this uncertain off-season where we don’t don’t know what will be available in FA, I’d say yes. We have two extra sixth-round picks that we could use and the Giants showed that they’re capable turning just about anyone into a capable center.

wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.

andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….

by GhostDini on Apr 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thx

I’m not sure what happens at DT but I too see Canty and Joseph getting a lot of time out there. I thought Joseph was drafted as a high upside guy, that would need training. We could see Cofield and Canty on first down, but Joseph coming on for passing downs.

Yes, a 6th rounder should move you two spots in the 2nd round, if a guy you want is there, this year I’d say pull the trigger.

by trueblue63 on Apr 25, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should read more before posting

But as I said above, I see Joseph as similar to Cofield in ability. Don’t see him as a pass rusher.

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Apr 26, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, guys

There was so much stuff. I was worried that it would become overwhelming but at the same time I didn’t want to gloss over anything.

wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.

andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….

by GhostDini on Apr 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent Post Ghost

I am at work so i dont have time to be as thorough as i normally am but i will check it out when i get home and give u some feedback but great effort.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

by Blue Gates on Apr 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not overwhelming because you explained everything very well

Final Dream Draft

1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Marvin Austin, DT
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, OC
4) Chimdi Chekwa, CB
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
6) Jarriel King, OT
6) Josh Bynes, ILB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 25, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

JESUS. F*CKING. CHRIST.

You sir are a mad scientist. Outstanding post. My head is swimming but this is no doubt one of the most informative and in-depth posts I’ve ever read. Clearly you put a lot of work into this one and it shows. Thanks for sharing.

by mtcl05 on Apr 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a lot of info... but, forgive me, because I'm not the most knowledgeable guy

it doesn’t look like we’re running tampa-2 in the Celek TD – looks like a run blitz with zone underneath, Megatron clip – isn’t that man, or in the Jordy Nelson clip – man cover-2?. Can you explain why those are Tampa-2 schemes?

by robotoverlord on Apr 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I titled this Tampa 2

since that’s the base defense but I admit that Fewell uses a lot more than just the Tampa 2. I hope the title doesn’t confuse everyone.

The Celek TD came on a version of the Over Gut 6. The LBs blitz and a DE (or both) goes out in zone coverage. I have diagrams of the actual coverage in the playbook but I got lazy and tired so I didn’t include them with the video. It might be a run/zone blitz but the name of the coverage is Over Gut 6. He’s one diagram.

Yes, the Johnson TD happened against man coverage but that would be too blanket a designation. The SAM was off the field and was replaced by a nickel CB, ergo Nickel/2 Man, as the playbook calls it.

As for the Nelson clip, man cover-2 = Nickel/2 Man. It says so right in the playbook.

wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.

andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….

by GhostDini on Apr 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool thanks!

So it looks like our linebackers are ok and that if we improve our nickel/2-man coverage, we’ll be in good shape?

by robotoverlord on Apr 25, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our LBs need to play better

but I don’t think they deserve all of the blame. Our secondary could improve as well.

wilddre22: why does everyone bring up Vick like its a given that that’s what EVERY player will do and respond from a prison sentence.

andiamo708: I have no clue... like going to prison is like going to LSU or something….

by GhostDini on Apr 25, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Bill Sheridan never worked that hard

by pataroons on Apr 25, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Tuck lined up as a joker and running with Celek makes me wanna puke..thats so stupid!

I really like this post bro but it will be a while before i can digest it!But i eventually will.It will probably be getting comments for a while as guys proccess this.
I’ve been really wanting to learn this stuff.
And after this I would love to find a way to do something like this w/ our blocking schemes..pretty much to this scale..
Thanks Ghost!

by Shaunthegiant on Apr 25, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

From what I'm reading here and on the tape

The Celek TD was a blitz failure as much as anything. You know that a DE in covg is going to get beat, so you have to get to the QB before he sees it. You don’t necessarily have to get the sack, but you have to shake up the QB.

by trueblue63 on Apr 25, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

#6....

“Enough change up in defensive package so as not to be predictable but not to the extent that it cannot be learned or executed by the defense.”

this is so huge….btw.

FIX IT

by andiamo708 on Apr 25, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Our Tampa 2 modifications, and time makes us better

The one thing I noticed all year, which is really visible in the GB clip, is that the Giants did not play a lot of 1-tech/3-tech, which is the standard 4-3 alignment. Both DTs lined up in the 2 position often, equally spaced, with Cofield on his traditional left side and Canty on the right. It let the center double-team either DT, often to Cofield’s benefit. I’m not sure if Buffalo did this with Fewell.

Another Fewell modification is the frequent three-safety play, which he used some in Buffalo, but was not really a part of the original Tampa defense.

Goff was a first-year starter last year, and KP was rusty, and it showed. No reason to think it cannot get better.

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

by ct17 on Apr 26, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

My head just exploded..

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Apr 26, 2011 1:29 AM EDT reply actions  

mine too

even after learning a 4-3 defense for high school (we ran three other defenses since i started) this literally gave me a headache,

"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid

by nyg94 on Apr 26, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man you need to coach..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Bring Frank back..or you all can line up and "Kiss my Ass"..This is bullshit..

by Bobbiblue on Apr 26, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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