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2011 NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Josh Bynes, MLB, Auburn

You guys have been asking for profiles on 'sleeper' picks, or guys who could even be UDFA targets. Let's use today's 2011 NFL Draft prospect profile to discuss one of those players, a guy suggested by 'BigBlueIntervention.'

Josh Bynes is a middle linebacker from Auburn who, in reality, sounds a lot like Jonathan Goff, the middle linebacker the New York Giants already have. A two-down thumper who is limited in pass coverage. The CBS scouting report below talks about how the Giants might be a good fit for Bynes because of the scheme. I'm not so sure about that. Don't we always talk about the heavy coverage responsibilities of a middle linebacker in a Perry Fewell defense, and how that might be a Goff short-coming?

Just off the reports (admittedly I have not seen Bynes play) I can't see how this guy sounds any different.

Scouting reports after the jump.

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Josh Bynes
MLB, Auburn
6-foot-1, 240 pounds
Projection: Late-rounds, UDFA

Scouting Reports

From Sideline Scouting:

Positives: Above average strength, has a lot of upper-body bulk, solid lower body allows him to drive through tackles when taking sounds angles to the ball carrier... Breaks down pretty well to take down ball carrier, but needs to work on footwork if he is to form up on quicker backs... Productive 2009 season (104 tackles, one sack, one interception)... Good at reading the eyes of quarterbacks, plays well in zone coverage and can make some big plays (seven career interceptions)... Ideal fit as an inside or strongside backer in a 4-3 system, can cut through tight ends and fullbacks to get through the ball carrier... Decent defender in zone coverage, but will struggle in man-to-man against tight ends and running backs in the NFL.

Negatives: Doesn't fly around the field, takes some time to get in position in zone coverage, not a sideline-to-sideline defender... Timid in recognition at times, can look a little confused when teams go into hurry-up offense... Does not change direction very quickly, will set the edge on stretch plays but cannot get back inside very quickly, leaving the cutback lanes wide open... Doesn't always take sound pursuit angles when players take the edge and head up field... Does not possess very good speed, looks slow when scraping and when in cross-field pursuit... Looks like a liability in man-to-man coverage, has stiff hips and sloppy footwork, too slow to run with many running backs... Somewhat inconsistent production in 2010, recorded six tackles or less in 10 games.

From CBS Sports:

Positives: Fiery field general. Played all three downs, and made plays against the run and pass. Can effectively plug his gap and shut off the inside run. Big hitter who can lay the wood. Instinctive three-year starter against top competition, experienced at reading offenses and adjusting teammates accordingly. Sound and solid tackler, very productive. Quick first step. Top intangibles at a position where intangibles are extremely important.

Negatives: Stiff hips and cannot change directions well. Can be quick in a short area but is not fast. Too many times seemed unable to get off blocks, or got caught up in traffic and washed out. Needs an open lane as a blitzer or is easily negated. Doesn't have the speed to get to the corner and shut off the wide run consistently. Made plays in coverage at Auburn but isn't athletic enough to run with NFL tight ends and likely will be limited to zone assignments; possibly just a two-down middle 'backer.

Overview: Josh Bynes is a classic "throwback" MLB, a punishing and intimidating thumper, as well as a team leader and defensive signal caller. Unfortunately, the NFL seems to be trending more towards middle and inside linebackers who can handle man coverage assignments, and hence away from the "throwback." There is a lot to like about Bynes as a prospect, but he will need the "right scheme" for his talents. The Giants and Rams are two NFL teams likely to appreciate Bynes more than others, given the scheme.

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Better video...

My take on the guy is pretty much what Ed said. He is great against the run. He has the ability to drop into a zone and cover, but not likely going to be able to put him on anyone man to man in NFL.

Good late round pick maybe as a backup.

by bigbluesd on Apr 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

sry forgot video...

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by bigbluesd on Apr 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

yup, he wouldn't fit as a T2 LB in our system

but I think he’d be worth a flier with one of our comp picks. Why?

I’ve seen the kid play, and boy, does he have a motor and a temper. I think that’s exactly what we need for ST. He’s a leader and will lay out an opposing player with a nasty hit, which is exactly what I think our special teams needs.

I’ve been hearing rumors that Blackburn is gone, so this kid can pick up the slack right away. He could even do a bit of spot duty at LB because while he sucks in coverage physically, he’s intelligent.

Final Dream Draft

1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Marvin Austin, DT
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, OC
4) Chimdi Chekwa, CB
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
6) Jarriel King, OT
6) Josh Bynes, ILB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 14, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

and yah, CBS is dead wrong on the Giants part lol

Final Dream Draft

1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Marvin Austin, DT
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, OC
4) Chimdi Chekwa, CB
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
6) Jarriel King, OT
6) Josh Bynes, ILB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 14, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Special Teams

I agree that he would make a fine special teams player in the mold of Chase Blackburn! Good call BBI

by bigbluesd on Apr 14, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think CBS...

…is referring to the Giants’ previous scheme (under Spags/Sheridan).

I’d like to stick with Goff for next year and see how he improves. Maybe draft either Nate Irving or Greg Jones who are at least competent in coverage and have them play outside, then when they go to the 3 safety set, kick either of them inside, and we still have a MIKE.

Then, make a play for Te’o, Kuechly, or Burfict in 2012 (Kuechly is my favorite at the moment)

by Raptor22 on Apr 14, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

hopefully we play well enough this year so that Te'o is out of our reach next year

If we stick to the Tampa – 2 though, Tank Carder or Travis Lewis are probably my favorite LBs for next year.

Final Dream Draft

1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Marvin Austin, DT
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, OC
4) Chimdi Chekwa, CB
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
6) Jarriel King, OT
6) Josh Bynes, ILB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Apr 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't draft him.

I addressed Josh Bynes in BBI’s 7 round mock draft, I think if we were to draft him, he would not make the team after the final cuts. I’ve seen him play and I actually do like him, great motor and is a leader but the college game is a funny thing. Yes they all have to perform but not all players are on an equal plane. You have upper classmen who have spent time in a college weight room for a few years so they are bigger, stronger and faster for the most part. I think that if all things are even as they will be against NFL competition, he will not be a good enough performer to last very long. He is just too slow footed, he is more of a two down LB than we think Jonathan Goff is. This is a player more suited for a 3-4 than a 4-3 where his job is strictly to go down hill, plug holes and stop the run. Not the athlet we need for our defense.

by Robin's-meats-and-vegetables on Apr 15, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

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