2009 Giants Draft Review: Not Looking Like Jerry Reese's Best Work
As the 2010 NFL season began I wrote that it looked possible that New York Giants General Manager Jerry Reese had gone just 1-for-9 in the 2009 NFL Draft. Here is part of what I wrote:
You know, I take a mulligan every so often when I play golf. Unfortunately, you get no mulligans in the NFL. Mistakes in the draft, especially in the top half of the draft, can haunt teams for a long time. I am not writing Beatty, Sintim, Barden and Beckum off as busts at this point, but they need to step up and justify Reese's faith.
Unfortunately, with 2010 in the books it still looks like Reese might have gone just 1-for-9 in that 2009 Draft. It generally takes three full years to judge a draft class, and I still hold out some hope for a couple of the players in this class -- especially Will Beatty and Ramses Barden -- but right now things simply do not look good for the Class of 2009.
I still believe Reese is a terrific general manager, and a top-notch talent evaluator. This simply does not look like his best work. If I was going to give Jerry any advice -- not that he needs any or would listen to me -- it would be stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes. No matter how talented or athletic a player is if he does not fit what your team does, or what the coaching staff wants, he is not right for the Giants.
Round 1 (29th overall) -- Hakeem Nicks
A bona-fide star. Nicks caught 79 balls in 13 games in 2010 and, if he can stay healthy, is on his way to a tremendous career. I don't know if this is the receiver Reese really, really wanted in 2009 or just the guy he had to take because he was the one left on the board. Either way, this pick is working out quite nicely for the Giants.
Round 2 (45th overall) -- Clint Sintim
I like Sintim. I have had the opportunity to speak with him and he is a well, spoken, intelligent, likeable young man. He is also the poster child for why the Giants have had trouble drafting productive linebackers in recent years. Sintim is a 3-4 outside linebacker/defensive end trying to become a 4-3 strongside linebacker. Through two unproductive seasons in which he has rarely seen the field it is just not working.
The Giants need to draft players who fit the system they run, not simply grab impressive athletes and assume they can teach them how to play the position.
There are several early-round linebackers in the 2011 draft class who fit the 4-3 system. I would love to see the Giants grab at least one of them.
Round 2 (60th overall) -- Will Beatty
Beatty is a guy I still believe has a future at one of the two tackle spots for the Giants. Depending on how the 2011 NFL Draft turns out, Beatty could wind up as the starting left tackle in 2011. Of course, that is what we said heading into the 2010 season.
Beatty lost a competition for the starting left tackle job last training camp, then lost much of the season to a broken foot. He has the size and all of the physical tools to play the left tackle position. The Giants are still waiting, I believe, for him to show the toughness and to simply grab the job and not let it go.
Of all of the players other than Nicks in this draft class I still believe Beatty could wind up being the best player. He is going to have to prove it in 2011, though.
Round 3 (85th overall) -- Ramses Barden, WR
Philadelphia traded this selection to the Giants for their third- and fifth-round selections (91st overall, traded to Seattle, who selected Deon Butler, and 164th overall, traded to New Orleans, who selected Thomas Morstead).
Barden had his opportunity this season when a rash of injuries made the Giants turn to him. He suffered his own season-ending injury, though.
Barden could still be a productive third or fourth receiver, but I don't think he will ever be more than that with the Giants.
This turns out to be a classic example of why I hate the practice of trading up in the middle rounds. The Giants gave up two picks -- albeit in a draft where they still had nine selections -- and took a player who has yet to help them after two years.
Round 3 (100th overall) -- Travis Beckum, TE ... final compensatory pick of 3rd round
A bad fit with the Giants. Blame whoever you want, the Giants just do not have a role for this guy. How the traditional Giants would use a very un-traditional player was the question as soon as Reese drafted him. Two years and just 21 catches later that is still the question. How will the Giants use a guy who can't block and hasn't really shown the speed to get open in the slot?
To me, this is a case of Reese possibly out-smarting himself. He loved Beckum's skills, and still does, but this is a classic case -- like Sintim -- of a player who just does not fit what the Giants do.
Whether that is Reese's fault, Tom Coughlin's, Kevin Gilbride's, Beckum's -- or a combination of all of them -- is really beside the point. Right now that it how it looks.
Round 4 (129th overall) -- Andre Brown, RB
Brown could have been a terrific pick and could have helped the Giants -- or so it appeared before he tore his achilles tendon in the 2009 training camp. The Giants cut him before the 2010 season and now he has bounced all over the league trying to stick somewhere. Currently a Washington Redskin, he has been through Denver and Indianapolis multiple times, Carolina and now Washington.
For the Giants, this was just pure bad luck.
Round 5 (151st overall) -- Rhett Bomar, QB
Other than giving us fodder for some great comments, a wasted pick.
Round 6 (200th overall) - DeAndre Wright, CB
Another wasted choice. Did not make the team and has bounced around the league ever since without finding a home. He has had opportunities with Cleveland and Minnesota, and is currently without a team.
Round 7 (238th overall) -- Stoney Woodson, CB
Obviously, Reese was looking for one of his last two picks to provide cornerback depth. Neither one ever did, as Woodson also got cut before the start of the season. He has been out of the NFL since being waived by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last April.
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How Dare You Sir!!!
other than giving us fodder for some great comments, a wasted pick.
The wrath of Bomar shall come upon you!!!!
I bELIeve in the Giants!
Bear Pascoe for president!
by sejo28 on Feb 22, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bring Bomar back
If only for the levity. :)
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I miss the guy who made the Bomar comments what they are
I beleive the exact quote from that guy went something like “Bomar has the size and speed to play as a RB and the Giants are trying him out there” and was 100% absolutly dead serious. Funny, funny stuff.
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 22, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Let go of Beckum and Sintim
I do not see them solving any problem we have and they do not fit.
Use the roster spots for other personnel who will help us.
More JR/TC constipation. Just like they did with Moss.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions
Beckum and Sintim, the top 2 guys on our team with trade value
We should not let them go, we should try to move them. Young guys, athletic, may fit in somewhere else. Maybe a team like Arizona, which has huge needs at TE and OLB. I think we should be able to get a 4th or 5th for them combined.
Sintim should bring more than that..but sadly,it won't happen
the dude was projected as a 1st rounder until he proved to be really awful in coverage at his Senior Bowl.He’s not even a bust,someone runnin a 34 would get alot out of him IMO
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
If only the Giants could trade for more picks :/ The draft would be much more interesting.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
hard to argue
For Sintim.
However, you can’t grade Reese based on Andre Brown’s injury, or Barden’s for that matter, given that he was looking quite good in the one game he got playing time, before his injury. Given Steve Smith’s injury history, Barden could wind up playing an important role on the team if he can keep himself uninjured.
And however much we might not think Beckham fits the system, he’s caught every pass thrown to him, a lot of which have been in very big spots. So he’s not a star, but he’s a productive player. How many catches did Howard Cross have in his first 3 years?
Brown was coming off of two recent foot surgeries before we took him..
..and had very few carries,AKA track record.
JR can be blamed.
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 22, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
He showed promise though and was talked about beating out AB til he ruptured his Achilles.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
I still have faith
This class can go 3 or 4 out of 9.
Nicks is already a star
Beatty was the best left tackle to play for us last year. I am rooting for him completely this year. I think if we get a tackle prospect in the draft, it will probably be a right tackle prospect as opposed to a left tackle.
Sintim still has a chance, I think he will be a starter for us. Sintim can play the Kiwi LB role that was so useful to us. I know some of us have hope JPP can take that spot, I do not. JPP is purely a 4-3 DE, And he can be a great one. We should just focus on making him the best 4-3 DE we can, not feed him too much. That role is much closer to Sintim’s skill set.
Barden can be a reciever out wide when we move smith into the slot on spread out formations. He has proven some ability for us already.
Beckum is a good tight end, but not for us. I hope he gets a chance on a team that will use him similarly to Aaron hernandez was used by the pats. He can be a great recieving weapon, but not for gilbride. Square peg in round hole.
injuries
have defined or at least hampered 3 or 4 of these guys, so far. Brown, Beatty, Barden, and arguably Sintim (even though he hadn’t shown any signs of being great)
Some are wastes, no doubt. But some like Beatty and Barden could and in my opinion will be a valued parts of the team.
And while it’s not exactly perfect, A true number 1 and another wr (who may or maynot show) plus next year’s starting LT. Not awful.
I agree Beckum and Sintim are clearly fish outta water. Why they chose 2 guys that just don’t fit what they do in NY is beyond me. But I still feel this guy has put the personnel out there to win more than we’ve won.
Prove me wrong TC.
3 year rule
I know i’ve said it before
but ’05 draft class saw Corey Webster, Justin Tuck, and Brandon Jacobs get drafted as the top 3 picks….and than we watched as they got benched, got hurt, and rode the pine….
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Totally agree,
We should be looking at the 08 Class right now not the 09
by Late for Dinner on Feb 22, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ed did yesterday
he’s just putting this up here now for discussion now. It’s a long offseason
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Most important statement Ed made
In the Sintim comments, “draft players that fit the system”
I’ve been screaming about this for years. I’m sick and tired of picking guys and then trying to teach them other spots . How many wins have we left on the table because of not having a top notch starter. Or, for that matter, depth behind players that went out with injury. Reaches are guys that have a huge learning curve. It seems like the old square peg, round hole syndrome.
I still think Beatty will be a quality LT
I dont have much hope for Sintim at this point. He prob should get traded to a 3-4 team. Not that he has much trade value (if any) at this point. I think Barden can be a contributor still, but i dont think he will ever be a starter.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
Agreed on Beatty and Sintim in a 3-4.
Barden will be a redzone receiver like a goaline running back.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 22, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I agree but there are a couple of things that worry me
When Beatty has played, he has been decent. But there are several things about him that make me wonder whether he is going to be a future starting tackle for us:
1) I was very surprised the Giants gave Diehl his starting job back over Beatty after Diehl had his hamstring injury. We all know everyone in Giants management WANTED Beatty to win the Tackle job. To me, the fact that they have Diehl the job back tells a tale about what the Giants think of Beatty.
2) To me, Beatty does not have an NFL tackles body. He looks “soft”, he looks lean irregardles of what height and weight numbers are thrown out there. He does not have the prototypcial huge arms and anchor. He runs like a friggen gazelle, to me he is more of a blown up athletic tight end.
Management may have wanted Beatty
but we know Coughlin loves him his veterans. I wonder if there was a behind-the-scenes struggle over this one?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 22, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
the best thing any coach ever taught me
was to know your personnel. I absolutely disagree that Reese needs to draft guys that fit our system, except in the case of defensive front 7. We have no use for 3-4 players in general, and there’s been no reason to draft them, so i agree with you there.
however, i think one of our biggest problems right now is a lack of flexibility. you can’t think of yourself as a certain type of coach. i’m not a “4-3” coach. I might prefer that system, but when we have very few dlinemen i’m playing an odd front. Fewell can’t be a “Cover 2” coach, right now he’s got press man corners, so play that often.
Gilbride can’t be a standard pro set guy, he’s gotta be more creative. If beckum is actually so talented, he doesn’t have to fit gilbride, the OC has to find a way to involve him. look at the patriots, they completely changed what they did on O this year to take advantage of their personnel. Lots of Ace sets. I don’t know if beckum is any good, but if he is, him not fitting what gilbride does isn’t an excuse.
I want our defense to dictate what the offense does but
Rodgers and the Pack and Peyton are the top two field generals to counter that philosophy. Eli is pretty good at switchng things up at the line but he has to move faster. I liked what the Pack and Jets did, set the D with five seconds on the play clock. Pierce was the key to our defense in keeping things in order. Boley was calling the plays this year? I don’t think we have a general on defense right now.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 22, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
hard to compare what BB does in NE to us..
..he picks players like Hernandez and Gronkowski b/c he knows how he will use them.
And he’s got Brady!
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 22, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
But isn't that the actual problem?
BB know his system and how he can be flexible with his system to use players. Prior to their performances, would anyone have gone after Danny Woodhead, Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, or Wes Welker? Is it bad drafting or bad player development? Heck, they even changed their offensive approach when they got rid of Randy Moss (after changing when they got him). I’m not sure it’s the players who were drafted who are the issue.
Coughlin-Reese
Shouldn’t Coughlin and Reese work together on choosing picks that would fit the system. Am I missing something here? Or is Reese saying , hey I make good picks, you need to make them fit! That’s your job! Am I wrong?
1 for 9...
with a Grand Slam (Nicks) isn’t that bad in baseball….
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Feb 22, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions
4 runs in 3 innings? as a team, I meant...
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Feb 22, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions
That '05 Class of Webster, Tuck, and Jacobs ...
were the only three picks the Giants had—and Ernie Accorsi was general manager.
well
I think there was another late round pick in there but it really doesn’t matter.
the fact is, all three of them didn’t really do jack their first two years….and than all three of them became starters….
so looking at guys like Sintim, Beatty, Barden, Beckum … hey, they may pan out…doesn’t mean all of them will….doesn’t mean any of them will….but it means that 2 years is not the litmus test.
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im not shutting the door on sintim just yet
I have a feeling he will be the starter next season. He will have 2 beat someone out for the job of course. Chances r that will be a second or lower rounder. Sintim has had 2 season to learn this defense, if a rookie beats him out for the job. It will be time to cut our loses come next season. As for beatty he will be a starter by 2012. You have to keep in mind he came to a team that was all set at O line. He’s just waiting for his chance and we see more of him this coming up year. Beckum needs to find a new home.
by hit_hard on Feb 22, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
also remember that Sheridan had Sintim playing SAM
and than Fewell had him playing more of a WILL position (even though they called it SAM).
And Boley was playing more of a SAM (even though they called it WILL).
so not only was Clint asked to learn the 4-3 SAM…he was basically asked to learn the 4-3 WILL just a year later
Granted Fewell’s WILL and SAM are not THAT much different but they do have their differences…and it was asking a lot from Sintim to do that….
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...I just got annoyed reading Andi's post aboutl the Sam/Will switcharoos going on in Fewell's scheme. What is this faceoff? Where Nicholas Cage is really John Travolta and vice versa!?
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
good point
When the Giants were in the 3-safety set with Grant up at the line, Boley was often SAM. Sintim did not play enough to get classified as anything.
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This guy and his Crew has made so very bad choices IMO we waste way too many Draft picks on players that just do not fix out team mold 1out of 9 is just plain BAD not Good !!!!!!!!!
Are we getting a compensatory pick for Chad Jones ??
Yea right!
Maybe we’ll get to see him play minor league baseball after we watch one of those inspiring comeback workout videos!
Nicks and Beatty make it a decent draft
Defense guys you can probably blame on Sheridan who could not do anything right.
A question for the Reese lovers
what will it actually take for the shine of the 2007 SB to wear off and you look at the rest of Reese’s track record both in the draft and free agency which simply is far less impressive?
In simple terms, cause I gotta go,
I would give Reese a “B” grade on his drafts since becoming GM, and C- for Free Agents. What about you
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
If Nicks becomes pro-bowl caliber WR
the draft is a success regardless, no? Early in the season last season someone compared the stats of all the 2009 1st round WRs and Nicks had the best stats of all of them. Not sure if it held up at the end of the season but still.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
That's why I would have liked to have seen th eGiants draft Pouncey or Iupati last year ...
instead of JPP. He was the BPA and might turn out to be very good, but the Giants didn’t need another defensive end (with Umenyiora, Tuck, Kiwanuka, Tollefson).
And as good as JPP might be, Pouncey is going to be just as good at center, which was a BIGGER need.

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