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Breaking Down A Defense Of Giants' Special Teams Coach Tom Quinn

If you have been here at Big Blue View for any length of time, you understand that I am not exactly enamored with New York Giants special teams coach Tom Quinn. I have beaten the drum for a while now for the Giants to move on from Quinn.

Like I did on Jan. 2nd of this year:

I can't imagine how anyone can find justification for special teams coach Tom Quinn keeping his job. The Philadelphia debacle with the onside kick the Giants were unprepared for and the game-winning punt return on the final play by DeSean Jackson should be the final straw. Overall, the Giants special teams have been among the league's worst the entire time Quinn has been in charge, which is a terrible indictment of a team that believes it has one of the league's best rosters.

On Sept. 28th of last year:

The Giants have shuffled special teams players again and again the past couple of seasons, and still the problem remains.

It mystifies me that the Giants have never been able to see that the biggest problem on special teams is not the players they are using. It's the guy trying to coordinate them.

On. Jan. 10th of 2010:

Please, don't try to tell me poor special teams play is an indication of a dearth of talent. It can be, sure, but not with this team. The Giants won the 2007 Super Bowl, were 11-1 at one point in 2008 and were thought to have championship level talent entering 2009. They have had plenty of talent to get the job done.

So, why haven't they? Whether it is poor schemes, poor strategic choices, poor use of available personnel I don't know. I just know it has to fall on Quinn. And a change needs to be made.

So, why does he still have a job? Beats me.

Star-divide

So, admittedly I do not come to any debate about Quinn objectively. Thus, when Yahoo! Sports recently published what amounts to a defense of Quinn in its latest 'Giants Team Report' I was curious to see how that argument was going to be framed. In fairness, the writer does raise some good points regarding the Giants' special teams. I am still, though, far from convinced that the blame, ultimately, does not lie at Quinn's feet.

Let's take a look at some of the arguments raised in the team report.

The writer points out that the Giants averaged just 6.1 yards on punt returns while surrendering 14.9 yards per return. Rightly, the article mentions the loss of returner Domenik Hixon and the struggles of inconsistent rookie punter Matt Dodge.

That argument has merit since Hixon averaged 14.2 yards per return in 2009 and with Jeff Feagles punting the Giants surrendered just 247 return yards, vs. the 536 return yards compiled with Dodge punting.

Dodge's inconsistency is, of course, one of the major issues. The articles states that "While Dodge tried his hardest to learn how to kick directionally, he struggled with ball placement."

My problem is this. Blame Dodge all you want, but whose idea was it to completely break down the mechanics of a rookie seventh-round draft pick and make him change everything about the way he kicked the ball? If GM Jerry Reese drafted the guy, the Giants must have thought he had ability. So, why not let him settle in before trying to change him? Plus, why try to make Dodge the holder for Lawrence Tynes, heaping another responsibility on him that he did not need and, ultimately, could not handle.

Those things are, in my mind, on Quinn.

The writer also points to "the constant changing of the personnel each week" as a potential reason for problems in coverage on both punts and kickoffs. To be fair, the writer does acknowledge that every team faces weekly changes.

I am not buying the "changing personnel" theory. Every team in the league does, of course, have new players on its special teams units each week due to injuries and decisions about which players will/won't be active. Coverage techniques are not rocket science, and some of the players brought in mid-season -- like defensive back Brian Jackson and receiver Devin Thomas -- were among the better coverage guys.

One other area is kick returns. Yes, you can make the argument that the Giants simply did not have an explosive return man. Darius Reynaud was awful, averaging just 18.4 yards on 21 returns. DJ Ware was not much better, getting just 20.6 yards per return. How much can be blamed on the returners, though, and how often were they simply buried at the 15-yard line. Even in 2009 the Giants were 28th in the league in kickoff returns. My question: Why can't the Giants figure out how to block kickoff returns? Is that on the players, or is it the scheme. Since the rules changes disallowing the three-man wedge on kickoff returns prior to the 2009 season the Giants have been awful.

Using Pro Football Focus numbers, the Giants were -3.7 on special teams in 2008, -7.5 overall in 2009 and -20.2 in 2010.

Using Football Outsiders DVOA stats, the Giants ranked 19th in the league in special teams play in 2007, 11th in 2008, 27th in 2009 and 30th in 2010.

So, by whatever measure you choose in Quinn's four seasons the best the Giants special teams have ever been is adequate and, in the last two seasons, they have been among the worst in the league. Sure, some of the 2010 struggles are due to the losses of Hixon and Feagles.

I believe, though, that the entire body of evidence during Quinn's tenure makes it clear that those two losses are not the only problem.

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Not buying the defense of Quinn

The Minnesota special teams coach actually made Reynaud a productive return man. Why couldn’t Quinn get production out of him or anyone else this year? I’m willing to give him a pass for Dodge’s inconsistency but the horrible performance of the coverage & return teams is on him.

by G-FANinFL on Feb 21, 2011 10:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Good arguments

Clearly Sheridan was not ready to be a DC. Why can’t TC evaluate and fire if necessary? Some of his assts. are the best in the business like the RB coach. But 30th in STs ugh. How about the new QBs coach, showing Eli how to toss the pick?

by lueeluee on Feb 21, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Quinn blows

And will continue to blow. There should be some accountability for this clown but alas their is none. It is a travesty and a joke and I for one am not laughing.

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

Frankly

at this point, done talking about the Medicine Man, Quinn…next subject please!

What happened to Frank083?

by Great Gatsby on Feb 22, 2011 6:05 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point it pains me to read this stuff so bad that an overwhelming

feeling to smoke a cigarette surges through my body.

and now i most do that..

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Feb 21, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

How do they expect to be a world class org.

when they refuse to clear out the waste. I bet Tom Quinn must have some deal with the devil or the Giants know something about him that we dont. Maybe they want to have one full year of coordinators that arent new in the system and see how they all work together. Either way if there is a season next year and these problems continue I expect some changes to be made.

nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning

by TheWenz on Feb 21, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Doesn't make sense

The special teams have only declined since he’s been here. One year may be an anomaly but it’s been 4 years of downward spirals.

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Feb 21, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Quinn et al

I’m really losing faith in the way coaches are handled on this team[,see Chris Palmer] if this is on Coughlin,shame on him.You must have the RIGHT coach to fit YOUR team. Don’t keep trying to put the square peg in the round hole!! Feagles said himself, that it took ‘MANY’ years to directional kick,so why expect Dodge to master it in one year.Same with Fewell and the defense,if you have man to man db’s don’t play zone. Don’t ask Justin Tuck to cover Brent Celick 30 yards downfield! The job of the coach is to put his players in the BEST postion to win the game,

by bobby53 on Feb 21, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

I say from here on out we never use the name tom quinn again.

my first suggestion is “The man that shan’t be named”

any other suggestions or is this good

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 21, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

her is the link to the new thread for this

http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/2/21/2006638/a-thread-for

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 21, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The only reason the Giants even had a mediocre ST was because of Domenik Hixon

Now, imagine if we actually had a good ST coach, Domenik Hixon would be far more dangerous.

Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.

by EnWhySee on Feb 21, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

More great news

The Minnesota Vikings will place the non-exclusive franchise tag Monday on linebacker Chad Greenway, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Why is Tom Quinn still here?

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Has anyone out of the organization said anything?

Hanlon? Eisen? Coughlin? Reese? I can’t believe that guys like Garafolo aren’t asking those questions at Pressers. What do you say, Ed? Can you get us an answer from someone in the Giants organization?

by TNYFBG on Feb 21, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Harli-Quinn

They should call him HarliQuinn cause the special teams are a joke!
Quinn is the one coach who has no excuse for his unit’s poor performance.

by Masakari on Feb 21, 2011 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

we do not use the name qui..

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 21, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a 'Special Teams' coach..Not a 'Special Needs' coach..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Bring Frank back..or you all can line up and "Kiss my Ass"..This is bullshit..

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2011 3:32 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

lol

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 21, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Quit

..because he clearly checked out years ago

by jp2y on Feb 21, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

lol, i like where these are going

Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please

Bunga Bunga Party anyone???

by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 21, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed with Ed 200%

I’m going to be nasty and say it’s probably politics.
The old cliche "it’s not what you know, but who you know"
The STC and the HC might go to the same church and play golf
together.as well.
Other wise what other reason is there.

by Olddiehard on Feb 21, 2011 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

It's probably about money

The Giants might not want to pay a coach to sit home. After all, they wouldn’t give Chris Palmer a raise and they wouldn’t let him interview for a better job so he “retired.” After a year, he came back to an Offensive Coordinator job at Tennessee.

"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss

by GhostDini on Feb 21, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

its disturbing thats he is still on this team

I like most expected him to be release the day after week 17. I don’t buy the excuses. To me its simple. If anyone takes a job of management, coach or any leadership postion. Over 4 years performance gets worse and worse every year, until u r one step away from the bottom. You lose ur job. I don’t care who u r or what u do its just that simple. All the trust I have in TC and JR desicion making. This one to keep Quinn for any reason borderlines on AL Davis decision making skills!!!

by hit_hard on Feb 21, 2011 7:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Brother Ed....a great speach again...

but unfortunately, it was again delivered to the choir. Reese needs to step in and “help” TC exorcise the ghost of Quinn from the team.

by Cranky50 on Feb 21, 2011 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

Very Elegant Ed

Now here is my approach.

Quinn totally sucks engorged donkey and is responsible for the poor performance year after year. TC is responsible for keeping Quinn so TC sucks by association.

That is all. And I ain’t gonna stop.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.

by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 21, 2011 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

What I'll always remember about Giants training camp 2010

Is Dodge being over-analyzed and over-scrutinized by Quinn during practice, as Lawrence Tynes worked on his technique with his back to Quinn. Tynes had a great year and clearly wanted nothing to do with Quinn

by IL DUCE 89 on Feb 21, 2011 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

so we are in agreement in here then?

Quinn stinks? good, now we can talk about more important things like…..MY KNICKS GOT ’MELO!!! oh yeah!

hehe, sorry, i’ll go back over to poasting and toasting to let out the rest of this excitement. see you guys tomorrow!

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Feb 22, 2011 1:42 AM EST reply actions  

Still want to impeach Dolan?

Bring back Isiah, not!

What happened to Frank083?

by Great Gatsby on Feb 22, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

in a word

yes.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Feb 23, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Missing Hixon

The special teams hasn’t been the same without Hixon or Feagles and Dodge hasn’t done a good job in replacing Feagles.

by Jonathan Gallipoli on Feb 22, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

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