Franchise Tag: Should The Giants Use It On Ahmad Bradshaw?
The use of the franchise tag on players by NFL teams is one of the things the NFL Players Association apparently objects to. NFL teams, however, are still claiming the right to 'tag' players, and the deadline to do so expires at the end of this week.
Is there a player the Giants should use the franchise tag on for the 2011 season? Before you answer that, consider the likely price tag per position. The NFL Monday released the likely costs per position, though these apparently have to be upheld in the collective bargaining agreement. The numbers are arrived at by looking at the top five salaries for players at each position. Here is the list as it stands now:
Quarterbacks: $16 million ($16.4 million in 2010)
Running backs: $9.5 million ($8.15 million in 2010)
Wide receivers: $11.3 million ($9.5 million in 2010)
Tight ends: $7.3 million ($5.9 million in 2010)
Offensive linemen: $10.1 million ($10.7 million in 2010)
Defensive ends: $12.9 million ($12.4 million in 2010)
Defensive tackles: $12.5 million ($7 million in 2010)
Linebackers: $10 million ($9.7 million in 2010)
Cornerbacks: $14 million ($9.6 million in 2010)
Safeties: $8.8 million ($6.5 million in 2010)
Kickers: $3.1 million ($2.8 million in 2010)
The two players you might consider most likely to be franchised by the Giants would be defensive tackle Barry Cofield and running back Ahmad Bradshaw.
Look at that price tag for franchised defensive tackles? It would cost the Giants $12.5 million to franchise Cofield, who made $1.759 million in 2010. That is not going to happen, since that number is significantly higher than what the Giants would probably be willing to pay Cofield.
That leaves Bradshaw. He made $550,000 in 2010 and is likely in line for a pretty nice pay day from someone this offseason. Should the Giants franchise him at $9.5 million for one season? AB might want to test his long-term value on the open market, but I don't think he would be terribly upset with a $9 million raise for one year.
Is Bradshaw worth that kind of money? Or, should the Giants just let him test the market and see if they can bring him back without paying him top five running back money? Keep in mind that, according to the Star-Ledger's Mike Garafolo, the Giants have only used the franchise tag twice -- on offensive lineman Jumbo Elliott in 1993 and on Brandon Jacobs in 2009.
I would like to see the Giants keep Bradshaw, but not at a $9.5 million price tag. I say skip using the tag and see what happens once the collective bargaining agreement is in place.
Your thoughts?
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If I were the Giants I would.
They have a a bigger need in the draft with LB and I don’t know if Ingram slips to you. Unless you trade up, but that seems unlikely. I like Bradshaw and think he’s a solid back that just needs to learn not to fumble. Maybe Tiki could show him how he held the ball at the end of his career.
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the giants don't usually draft for need
but i don’t think will franchise him, if anybody cofield would get it
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's a great idea BUT....
$12.5M for Cofield? Not worth it…
i think we sign him long term too anyway
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah Snyder
done F’ed up the whole pay scale by signing the leagues biggest whiner. 12.5? no way he’s worth that.
Prove me wrong TC.
Ed
What are the numbers for transitional tags?
by G Fan in England on Feb 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions
Don't know
Haven’t seen anything on those.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
No
I dont think the Giants should franchise Bradshaw let him test the free agent market if he wants to. I really like Bradshaw but as long as the Giants Oline can get healthy and add a infusion of youth through the draft Petrus was a good start. I think the Gmen can find a back in the draft and we still have Jake under contract.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
Bradshaw
I hate the idea of getting rid of Bradshaw because when he’s not fumbling the ball he’s an amazing talent. I wonder what he could be if he learned to hold onto the ball like Tiki did.
I’m not opposed to the Franchise tag, but I voted no as well. $9 million is a big number for a player we just don’t know we can trust. Jacobs made a bit more sense because he was coming off a great season, and we wanted to work that deal out. Bradshaw is a big question though. Can he command a bigger price tag? Will a team pay him that much more money than we’re willing to offer? Bradshaw is good and easily one of the bigger FA names at runningback, but will someone else really sign him to a monster contract?
I guess I begrudingly want to say let him test the market and see if anyone snatches him. If not then sign him to a smaller deal and teach him how to hold on to the damn ball. If they do, then we say “oh well” and get ready to draft a new runningback.
I wouldn't do it
if you want him long term…sign him.
If not….let him test the market.
remember the Giants only tagged Jacobs so they could gain some time in there to sign him long term.
I can’t remember why they tagged Elliot….
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at the same time....
it’s not my money and I would be happy for both Bro and AB if they got PAID!
especially Bro after all he’s done and been through….
it would just be a stupid business decision. Like paying Jacobs starter money and giving him the ball 9 times a game….
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i see cofield getting the tag if we can't get a deal done
which we won’t unless cba is done
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Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Cofield
is way too expensive with the tag. Why on earth would you give him $12.5 million?
by Ed Valentine on Feb 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
i think he gets a long term deal, but i don't see us franchising AB
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say yes just to keep him on the Giants
then re-negotiate a long term deal.
Only way I can seem them not giving him the tag to do that is if they want to do that with Cofield, or they just are saying goodbye to AB so that they can draft someone like Ingram or Leshoure.
But I think AB will be an NYG. I think he’ll get that fumbling issue resolved and then add a healthy OL and he could go for 1400yds next year. Boom
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Here's the downside of that:
If Bradshaw has a smart agent, he’ll just advise Bradshaw that he should simply sign that franchise tag as quickly as humanly possible before the Giants can take it away, gladly collect his $9.5 million (far above his worth), and test the free agent waters again in 2012.
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Or the Giants can offer him long term stability by giving him more guaranteed dough over more years
similar to what the Eggs are doing with Mike Vick.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 15, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
if he's getting anything it's gonna be a nice and long deal
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Not if they tag him. If they tag him, he’ll be a rare case where the player would be ecstatic about getting tagged. If he gets tagged, the likelihood of him wanting to do a longterm deal (and giving up that $9.5 million for one season) are slim and none.
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that's if they don't tag him tho
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
On sportscenter this morning
they were reporting that Mankins has received the franchise tag from NE but it was pretty much useless without the new CBA. I say wait to see what happens before they start putting invisible shackles on players.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
That's what I was wondering.
If there’s no CBA, how can they franchise a player?
by powerlifter610 on Feb 15, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
it's like house arrest, he can't enter negotiatons with other teams
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Use the tag on Quinn..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Bring Frank back..or you all can line up and "Kiss my Ass"..This is bullshit..
Absolutely not
An injury-prone RB who can’t carry a heavy load and has fumbling issues does not deserve a big extension or the franchise tag.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I say yes, use the tag on Bradshaw
Have a more 50/50 split next year with BJ and AB to alleviate AB’s workload and prolong his effectiveness, and draft a 3rd RB between rounds 4-7.
AB
Am I the only person who thinks the offensive line is more important than the overall quality of a running back?
Sure there are exceptions and there are exceptional talents (past and present) who can lead a team – but would a ‘good’ back not not stand a chance of becoming ‘great’ if his O-line was executing the blocks and clearing lanes consistently?
McKenzie was what?
+21 on PFF? I hate this misconception that the Oline wasn’t good enough.
by Lolmoarpl0x on Feb 15, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
We weren't good enough
at run blocking in particular. Our pass blocking has been great the past few years, but last year we took a major step back in run blocking. There was a stretch (when both Diehl and Ohara were out) where our run blocking was on fire, but other than that it wasn’t very good. I bet those positive PFF numbers are skewed because of our solid pass blocking. Also, the right side of the line was stronger in run blocking than the left side, but neither was great in my opinion.
Snee
It’s not like Snee had a horrible year next to Mckenzie though…
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by You're My Boy, Blue on Feb 15, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
that was when Seubert was our Center
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the team employs 5 Olinemen
so McKenzie’s PFF score really is inconsequential in discussing the entire Oline.
but I agree, Mac played well last year. Hopefully his back can stay healthy for years to come.
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agree one player on the oline can play well but if the rest suck (not saying ours do)
then it’s not gonna mater. football is a team sport, not individual
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
they're both important
also it needs to be said that the Giants were 6th in the NFL in yards/game. Sure it needed to be more consistent, but if the OL was so bad what does that say about our RBs?
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 15, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
we were great at breaking off big runs
especially in the first half of the season. The problem is, we had too many 0, -1, -2 yd losses. That’s on both our backs and the OL. We can’t seem to tough out those short yardage gains when we need to.
No
Fumbilitis should not be rewarded with 9.5 million dollars.
Running backs do grow on trees and various teams have already proven that any reasonably talented back can get yards behind good blocking.
I also don’t think any of our current backs can “hit the hole”, they are all lookers. I’d like to see someone with explosion who gets to the hole quicker.
Maybe this is stupid but
Why on earth would they use the franchise tag? Its WAY more than he’ll ever command on the free agent market. If they wanted to give him a deal in the 9.5M / year range, they don’t have to use a tag, they have to use a telephone.
Carolina in a similar position?
Would you tag D. Williams? Would you rather have Williams or Bradshaw?
I say no tag on both, but I hope we can keep AB, love the way he plays. He should have a ball secured in his hands right now.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions
No thanks.
Let him test the market. I’m not a huge fan of AB but if he can be signed long-term that is a better idea. If he signs elsewhere then we still have Jacobs and we can go from there.
And no to Cofield. It’ll be a shame to watch him go but it certainly won’t be worth 12.5 million.
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by Gelatin on Feb 15, 2011 1:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tough call but no AB
I say tough call because if you sign him to long term deal, they’re gonna want at least $18 mil. guaranteed and how many years do you go especially with his medical history? If you tag him, that’s $9.5 guaranteed for one year which is too much and I’m sure BJ wouldn’t be too happy making half that.
Cofield I think would be worth it if the tag price was last years $7 million but no way at $12.5.
RB is far and away
the easiest position to replace in the NFL. I’m hard pressed to suggest any team pay any RB ~10 mil a year
no way in hell.
Do we Tag AB even if we want to resign him to a longer term deal. He’s a 7th round pick, looking for a payday (rightfully so, he has severely outperformed his contract). He’d immediately sign the franchise tag offer and test free agency in 2012, thus seeing two big paydays. Furthermore, he’s not a feature back who can carry the ball 20+ times a game for 16 games. He’s had what….3 or 4 operations on his ankles? and he has a fumbling problem.
I love his tenacity and grit. He is fun to watch and root for as a fan, but there is no way in hell we franchise tag the man.
I am leaning more towards using the tag on Cofield.
AB, I dont know, he had half of season to correct the fumbling issue. Did you see how recklessly he carries the ball. Even in the games vs the Packs and Skins – towards the end of the season – he was still running like that. No way can not afford that, there are going to be a few other FA running backs we could go after for less money.
Shoulda been a choice of F* NO!
While he is talented, too many fumbles to be worth that kind of money. Nope, not, nada, nicht, nein, nyet.
If we do keep him (have to see what else they can get), he is not worth more than 2 million if that much.
Sorry you AB lovers, fumblitis and durability greatly impact his value.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 15, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions
We shouldn't tag AB but
I think we should look into tagging Dodge, but I didn’t see the punter position listed anywhere.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
I'm glad I don't work for the Giants
This is a tough decision. I’d like to see Bradshaw be a long term Giant but I think they should let him test the market and then sign him to a deal. The frachise money is based on the top 5 RBs in the league. He is good, but not top 5 so they should be able to keep him for less money. (I wish they let Eli test the market. His contract would be 60 mill not 100+)
On the other hand, doesn’t Jacobs get like 11mill? In that sense, AB is probably worth 9.5.
Jacobs
gets somewhere in the 4.5 / year range. There was a pretty substantial signing bonus (8M? I think?)
by Oppenheimer919 on Feb 15, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
How about the franchise tag on Dodge and Quinn?
One can be franchised to Iglles, one to the CowGirls.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 15, 2011 2:57 PM EST reply actions
Question, Ed..
If there is no CBA, how can they franchise a player?
the player will not be able to enter FA (which there is none)
so basically it’s like house arrest, he can’t talk with other teams
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's how they're using it, but is that legal with no contract?
by powerlifter610 on Feb 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
yea it was part of the old CBA, it's the teams only insurance if there franchise players wanna walk
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
it's kinda like being a restricted FA, except you don't sign with other teams
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
The real answer is
no one really knows. the owners are saying it’s binding, the players contest that. It’s up to the new CBA and if there’s franchise tagging in it..
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NO you put that on Cofield
i know barry probably wont want it. But the big fella has been a staple in the middle of our D-line and we need to keep him. RB’s can be replaced. A solid fat guy in the middle, who gets after the ball/qb/ and has a fantastic sack dance is one in a million.
i lobby we keep Barry “taser dance” Cofield.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
i was thinking cofield to, but didn't read that he'd get 12mil.
i think they both get long Fair contracts
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Say good-bye to AB and BJ
and just rebuild this O-Line through the draft and improve our defense via free agency.
Eli Manning is being paid like a top 5 QB, he should be able to carry this offense even if our running game sucks.
Rex Ryan... I salute you!
It's not a crazy idea
Tagging AB has merit because RB’s have a short shelf life, and he’s been pretty banged up the past two years. It removes the long term risk, so it has appeal. If he stays healthy and stops fumbling, then maybe you still offer him a multi-year deal next year.
But I don’t think they will tag him, or anyone else. They rarely work that way. And there is no one else that is worth the tag relative to the price. As Ed said, 12.2 mil for Cofield? Nuts.
Go Giants!
Negative.
Would not tag AB, would not mind letting him test the FA market and get signed elsewhere. He surely has the heart to merit a decent contract, but the Giants need a better RB to supplant Jacobs.
No
I wanna keep Bradshaw, but not at that price. He’s not a top-10 RB, let alone a top-5 guy. As much as I love Bradshaw and hope he returns, the Giants don’t need to open the vault for him.
"The good teams don't come in and say 'could have'. They get it done. Alright? It's that simple."
top 5 def. not, but top 10 maybe
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
In no particular order...
AP, CJ, Foster, Turner, MJD, Jamaal Charles, Steven Jackson, McFadden, Mendenhall, Ray Rice.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
replace mcfadden with ahmad
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
QUICKLY....TO THE STATS!! (Cue scene transition music)
AB
Carries
276
Yds
1,235
Avg
4.5
TD’s
8
DMC
Carries
223
Yds
1,157
Avg
5.2
TD’s
7
McFadden missed 3 games and wasn’t far off Ahmad’s stats with 53 less carries. The AFC was not as putrid as it has been, and the NFC East was weak defensively this season.
I dunno, I’m still sticking with Run DMC on this one.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Not bad as a pass catching back either, 507 yds and 3 TD's.
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
i meant mendanhall calm down.
and don’t show some stats of rashard cause he don’t spli carries with anyone
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Foster and Charles run behind the same lines as those Broncoes teams
where Shanahan recycled 1000yd backs. Not so sure on a normal line those guys are top 10.
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Circumstantial and speculation...
I’m going by what I saw, not what could have been.
Well aware had the Giants run blocking been better Ahmad’s numbers may have benefited as well, but you never know….that or he’d be fumbling alot more. Lol
Can you tell I’m not big on AB? Hey if he sticks around and proves my doubts wrong, all the better!
Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
Follow up to scene transition gag...HIGH AND TIGHT AHMAD! HIGH AND TIGHT!

Red stripe, blue paint, them other teams scared but Big Blue ain't.
by EnWhySee on Feb 15, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
all that needs to be said
lol
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 15, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with above statements, BRAVO really BRAVO. rec'd
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO Hey that's that Adam West, the mayor of Quahog, RI
You bastages are a bunch of fargin iceholds.
by Handsome Stranger on Feb 15, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking Cofield as soon as I saw the title
but that’s a much larger # than I was expecting for a DT. & as much as I love me some AB, we cannot overspend on the RB position.
I think we only used the Franchise Tag once in the last 10-12 years & that was on BJ (2 years ago). But we only did that so we could get some extra time to negotiate his new deal. I think we can do the same with Barry. Tag now so we hold his rights & get him signed as soon as the CBA gets resolved. Not to mention, I hate the fact that the Skins overpayed for Fat Albert so it skewed the DT value. He should be forced to give some money back to help pay for Barry’s salary.
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I would Franchise Tom Quinn -
but only on 4/1/2011 – Then I’d have all the Special Teams players come to the Stadium and give him a huge " April Fools – TOM w/ directions to the nearest unemployment office!
Sorry – I really am not mean spirited but that would be classic.
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by Joyzboy on Feb 15, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
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Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 15, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Can we use the tag on Steve Smith?
He’s the only player I thunk that could warrant that type of money
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
rather give him a long term deal
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 16, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
That's a great point
Smith, imo, is the most important of the “big three”. unless we really lowball him though, I doubt he’s leaving
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agree with everything you said
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 17, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Tag?
I love Coffy and Bradshaw. Coffy does not get the DL love that Tuck and Osi receive, but, he does the dirty work. Taking on double teams, providing some pressure up the middle to force the QB into the waiting arms of our DE’s, and of course, getting to the RB. Bradshaw is tough as nails. Period. Runs HARD for a smaller back. Has burst and change of direction skills. Both have had injury issues. Bradshaw had problems holding onto the ball last season which cost him his starting designation for a few games. I would love for both players to be Giants next season and for the forseeable future. But, $12.5 mil for Coffy and $9.5 for Bradshaw is a bit ridiculous even for one season. Jerry will do the right thing, but, you can always count on him to do the smart thing. With the CBA issues, this will be a long off season for the NFL.

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