Super Bowl XLV: The Giants Had Their Chance
by Ed Valentine on Feb 1, 2011 9:03 AM EST
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PrintThe Green Bay Packers, the NFC representative in Super Bowl XLV, point to their Week 16 victory over the New York Giants as the game that propelled them on their run to a possible championship.
"Everybody keeping an eye on their target," said Packers coach Mike McCarthy. "Really, coming down to the New York Giants game, that's the one thing we just kept reiterating to our players: All of our goals are still in front of us. We didn't need any help. And I think that really helped our guys stay focused, stay on point."
Of course, McCarthy and the Packers are right. And that still has to eat at the New York Giants. That Week 16 game, won by Green Bay, 45-17, at Lambeau Field was a game in which the Giants had destiny in their hands. Win and they were in, meaning the Packers were going home for the offseason.
Of course, we know it didn't happen the way the Giants hoped. They barely showed up, suffering a hangover from the disastrous eight minutes the week before against Philadelphia.
How can their not be a sense of disappointment seeing the Packers in this situation? A victory in Lambeau and this could be the Giants representing the NFC against Ben Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It is rehashing old, painful news at this point. It is, however, where we are with the New York Giants. I look at the Packers and I do not see a more talented roster than the one the Giants have. I see a team that finished with the same 10-6 regular-season record as the Giants, who did not get a chance to play in the postseason.
I am not whining. The Packers won the "right" 10 games. The Giants did not. Green Bay did what it had to do at the end when the games mattered the most. As McCarthy said, the Packers stayed focused, stayed on point. Against Philadelphia and Green Bay the Giants, a veteran team that should have been able to do that, did not.
That is why Green Bay is still playing and the Giants went home without a playoff berth for the second straight season.
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If you want to re-live this past season, I still can not...
fathom how we lost to the Titans AT HOME!? That’s always been a WTF! moment for me…unbelieveable!
Every team has one or 2 of them every year.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
wild
I was in Haiti the week of the Giants/Titans game. I couldn’t see the game, of course, but I was able to get live stats from NFL.com on my phone. I’m watching the Giants pile up yards, move the ball up and down, but the score appears to be posted backwards on their site. I actually thought the Giants had won until I got back later in the week and read the paper.
The Titans were actually good then
But yeah, the game sucked
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
This is a rehash.
Cut the TO’s in half, we would have won a couple of games in the playoffs. Maybe even have made it to Super Sunday. And my dream still, is to watch Eli vs. Ben in the Super Bowl.
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
Yeah I get it. It's what we have been reduced to.
Sorry if my written “tone” seemed… flippant. I enjoy rehashing, especially the good times.
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
So true.....
bottom line, reduce the turnovers and we would have won more games and who knows, maybe back to the Super Bowl
NFL Network
will announce their GMC “Never Say Never” play of the year. Of course Djacks punt return is on the list. If that does’nt win I’ll be surprised. UGGH!!!
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
Ill go on record as saying the Pack have a Superior roster to the Giants.
specially on Defense.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
I still don't think so
Woodson and Williams give them better corners. Offensively, the roster isn’t better than the Giants.
Sum of the parts
They were a better team this year. Have had a better season. Just wait’ll next year! (old Brooklyn Dodger cry)
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
How about the QB?
Is he better?
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
system
I’d love to see Eli get to through as many 5 yard slants as Packer QB’s. And we have the receivers to do it. The Giants passing attack is too focussed on 15-25 yard routes, and Eli throws them well, but if we used the slants more, opposing linebackers wouldn’t be able to attack the run so quickly.
I believe in Eli
He did not have his best season. I still believe that when his career is done he will be looked at as the best quarterback in the history of the franchise.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 1, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
He is well on his way
to earning that designation. I too, BALLIEEEEEVE in Eli.
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
I think that goes without question
but this year, we saw a little too much of Evil Eli. At least we are a long ways away from the days of Charlie Ward being the best QB in New York.
Quinn must go !!
BIG LOL!!!
I remember that! People actually were saying that back, when… late 90’s? And for the record, I loved the Knicks back then. Such a New York team with all that toughness and hustle.
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
I agree with both of you
I believe in Eli and I expect he will be remembered as the greatest QB in Giants history. But he’s nowhere near the quarterback Aaron Rodgers is. But that is what it is. Rodgers is one of the 4 best QBs playing the game today. If you set him as the standard, most guys will come up as wanting.
Gotta disagree with you on
on the offensive end Ed. The Pack did work this year on O without their number 1 RB and TE. Plus Aaron Rogers’ decision making over Eli’s this year gives their O the edge over ours. I’ve watched every game from both teams and if I had to go with one of the O’s over the other, I have to give the edge to the Pack.
Quinn must go !!
What about LBs?
My daughter’s soccer team has better LBs than the Giants.
And sorry, Rogers is better than Eli, at least at this time.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 1, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
He is a little better. Can run too
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
I am too lazy
to look up the turnovers but sure Eli has a major lead. I know Rodgers was out but the TO/pass ratio must be enormous. Plus the mindless fumble and back shuffle.
Euyk!
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 1, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
But Eli has a Super Bowl come-back win and MVP trophy to go with it.
Rodgers may have one next week, but not today.
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better
GREEBAY – TE , LB CBs, QB, Safety.
GIANTS – RB,
Push DL, WR, OL
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DL push?
troy, you’ve got to be kidding. why, because Raji was hanging out with Charles Woodson and did his best impression of him last week? that one is not – even – close.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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I'd say OL and DL are in the Giants favor.
DL heavily in the GIants favor, more so than any other spot for either team (even teh LBz)
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yeah it's not even close
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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BJ Raji and Cullen Jenkins are both beasts. that is what made it close to me. BJ has been making noise long before last week.
coupled with the fact we got little pressure on the QB with out a blitz later in the year. I would be OK with the Giants getting a small edge but far from a landslide.
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i wont compare stats
Its silly to compare a 3 man line to a 4, since they’re asked to do different things. But I will disagree that its even close.
And if you’re gonna complain about the giants blitzing, then you need to realize that GB was a heavy blitzing team. Hell, their leading sack meister was a LB. And he has Charles woodson to thank for a handful of those.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Feb 1, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's Clays main objective and its not considered a blitz if he gos.
he is more or less their DE.
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no i know
but GB does blitz alot, usually sending woodson in there with him. they’re two great rushing players, so they’re gonna disrupt alot of plays. but you can’t put clay in as part of the line, even tho for arguments sake that’s what he is alot of time. and for all the blitzing our team did at the end, 39 of our 45 sacks(going off the top of the head so i might be off by a sack or two) came from the linemen. so whether they had help or not, at the end of the day, they’re still making that impact play. thus the reason why they are the better of the two lines.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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obviously GB's LB's are way better than ours.Offensively A-Rod is way better than Eli...
…and while our RB and OL are better,it is arguable whether our WR really are better once you get past the names.
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 1, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
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lets take it position by position
QB – slight edge to the pack, Rodgers is the truth.
RB – giants, easy. Even with Grant healthy, its not even close.
WR – giants again. I don’t want to hear how talented their young guns are, I’ve watched James Jones and others drop enough passes in this past month to make the giant wideouts laugh at them.
TE – with Jermichael Finley healthy, the pack. But he’s been out all season, so I’d have to give the edge to the giants again.
OL – their o-line is porous, ours lead our team to one of the best rushing teams in the league, as well as keeping Eli very clean most of the season. Giants here.
DL – won’t even bother to formulate an argument here.
LB – pack, easy.
DB’s – while we have the better safeties, they have the best tandem of corners in the game right now, IMHO. Slight edge to the pack.
Special teams – insert any team into this argument and ill give them the edge. Were just horrible here.
So 5-4 us, with the TE health being the swing vote. Bottom line is, we have as much talent, if not more, than every team in this league. Its just our execution in big games is lacking, and what needs to be worked on.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Feb 1, 2011 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did u just point out that JJ drops balls?
Giants led the league in drops.
Your list is so far off base its hard for me to comment any further.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
I'd rather have the Packs drops
over our tips. A drop, you get to play the next down. A tip usually leads to an INT.
Quinn must go !!
i can see that
the key on drops tho are when they occur. the TJ Houshmanzedah drop on 4th down in the playoffs a few weeks ago i’m sure stings Baltimore fans as bad as if he tipped it in the air and a CB caught it.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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i think
he used 2 hands, a catchers mitt, stick um, and a butterfly net when that pass was thrown.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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explain how
you’re better than just making quick dismissal posts that don’t add to conversations troy, where did i get my comparison wrong? i can back up my opinions with statistical facts, as with the o-line.
btw, where is this led the league in drops info you have? i can’t seem to find anything about team drops, and if they did, you have to take into account RB’s and TE drops, which have nothing to do with the wideouts. the only thing i could find is this from the washington post. and on that individual list, i seem to count as many Packers(Driver, Jones) as i don Giants(Boss, Nicks). and one of the Giants are not a wideout, AND their tandem has one more total drop than ours.
heres another tidbit for you. how many Packers wideouts outside of Jennings and Driver have had 900+ yards receiving in their career? donuts. NY Nicks, SS12, and The Man ALL have eclipsed that mark in the past 2 seasons, under a more balanced offense than the Pack.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Drops = Tips for Ints for me . JJ is young and does drop the ball but the Giants WR (though have potential to be better)
have not by any means lived up to the hype. GB WR have!
My TE comparison was based on the health of both starting TEs.
Safety’s IMO go to the Pack based on the fact that KP made 1 or 2 plays all yr. AR made the pro bowl and for the life of me don’t know how. DGrant had the best yr and that’s sad considering.. Nick Collins had the better yr of the 4.
The only reason Ham came close to 900 is because of injuries it wont happen again.
O and then there’s this……..http://youtu.be/kMdwvKXXsH0
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Sad clip
Manningham had a decent year with a huge 92 yard TD rec, but when I think of him, this clip is the first thing that pops in my head. Says something about the magnitude of that play.
Quinn must go !!
remember
Eagles only got a FG out of this, it was not part of the comeback. Also, maybe MHam doesn’t get close to another 1000 yard season as a result of being number 3, but isn’t that what you want out of #3, a guy who can step up and MAKE BIG PLAYS when called upon??? He played huge down the stretch.
It wasnt just a FG .
that was a time in the game were we at least needed to sustain a drive . yes 3 points for them, who
knows how many points were subtracted from us. We could clearly see the tide shifting after that play.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giants
scored another touchdown on their next possession
didn't that fumble happen in the second half?
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
he surpassed 900
he had 944 on only 60 catches – and 9 TDs. if that’s not lived up to the hype, then what does he have to do to live up to it?
meanwhile, you have SS12, who just came off a pro bowl season, and Nicks who was all world when not injured. i mean he led the league in TD recepts from a wideout most of the season til injuries came into play. he was a beast this year, and last. mark my words if he’s injury free next year, he will be one of the top 5 feared wideouts in the league. mark it down.
as far as GB WR living up to the hype…well the hype must have been very low for them. obviously Jennings is the truth, and Driver is a borderline HOF. but jordy nelson has had a high of 582 yards and 2 TDs in a season, and Jones 679 and 5. not to mention all the drops. so they can keep those numbers, i’ll take 3 consistent 900+ wideouts who are all 25 and under on my team.
i think the problem with us fans is that when you’re too close to the action, you start to take things for granted, and overanalyze ppl’s warts. i don’t think there’s any player who can’t be dissected under intense scrutiny…hell ppl use to say Jordan takes too many shots. but when you step back and look at the big picture, our wideouts aren’t the only ones dropping and tipping passes. that was what i meant with my original statement about all the dropped passes i’ve seen from this wondergroup of GB wide receivers. and when you look at it on an even playing level, i’ll take The Man and his bad routes and 900 yards, 9 TD seasons, over JJ and Nelson, who drop and fumble as well, and have yet to sniff numbers like our guys put up year in and year out.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Im a big fan of are guys
but i know and been saying it for 2 yrs Ham is gonna kill us in more ways then one. Next yr im sure are guys will be better (if we have them all) but my point stands they outperformed us on the field this yr.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
well i don't see how that is possible based on the numbers
and my eyes, but we’ll just disagree on this one.
and i know they’ll be better next year, just because there’s no way 5 wideouts land on the IR again – that’s like lightning striking twice.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Nice post
I was’nt sure who I thought had better. wideouts. I thought it was pretty even. But those numbers do not lie.
And w/o question, as human beings we take for granted what is close to us. The warts tend to stand out more on our guys, and the grass is always greener as a metaphor didnt just fall out of the sky.
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thanks
i absolutely think it’s a human reaction, and it’s become even clearer being a part of SB Nation. i was shocked when i went over to the Chargers website after LdT got released. here i was expecting to see virtual tears for a future HOF on their site, and instead i saw alot of the time has come, he doesn’t hit the hole anymore, he’s lost his heart, etc. same goes for this Carmelo-drama. meanwhile, us Knicks fans are begging for him. then we’ll get him, and complain! it’s what makes fandom wonderful i guess…….
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I think WR goes to them merely cuz of health
if Smith and Nicks are healthy, the way they were going by that Seattle game we had easily as good a receiving corps even if they had Finley (who’s more of a WR anyway…).
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wouldn't agree there
it’s not like they have recurring injuries, and there a walking pulled hamstring waiting to happen. maybe you can say that when rating the Shockey’s of the world, saying well such and such is a better TE because he can stay on the field more than Shockey can. but for the most part, this was the first major injury of all of these guys careers – they just happened to all happen at once. if they each lost a season of their career over a 8 year span, we wouldn’t be looking at this in the same light at all.
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100%
Good assessment. Also note, I think the only team that had more players on IR than the Giants was the Packers. Bottom line, if the Giants had the discipline and heart that the Packers have (at least in crucial spots) they could just as well be in the Super Bowl.
A-Rod vs. Eli....close?
No way…one still makes rookie mistakes in his 6th,7th season or whatever it is,the other is an extremely consistent player whose team plays up to his competitive edge…the other has captained more meltdown seasons this decade than probably any QB
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 1, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think so.
the Giants D under Fewell is exactly like theirs under Capers the first year. Great statistically but still each side doesn’t understand fully what they’re doing just yet.
Capers in the 2nd year made a huge difference. But they do not have more talent on their D.
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Well i hope your correct.
but on the field (were it counts ) the Packers are a far better D. ill still give them the edge at LB, Corner and Safety.
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truth is that they were not.
the team was better on offense, but defensively they were largely equal at best all year.
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The Bears , Eagles and Falcons may disagree.
That D is a diff beast with C J on the field which he wasn’t 1/2 the time.
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aside from DL they definitely do!
and their DL doesn’t suck…our LB’s do!
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 1, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
subjective I guess.
I know their secondary isn’t much better than ours, if it is at all. And I know our LBs aren’t great, but they definitely do not suck.
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FREE! "their secondary isn’t much better than ours, if it is at all." if this question was posed to the QBs of the world
it would be almost laughable. your clearly letting your fan-dum cloud your judgment. come back.
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sorry bub, its really not.
this is where being a fan of the team comes in to play. When our DBs manned up like the Packers DBs do, they’re easily as good.
Someone who never watches the Giants would say that its not even close. But when its obvious our corners got destroyed whenever they played off teh ball, and stellar when they played bump and run..sorry, that’s not on them.
The GB corners ALWAYS play bump and run.
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u did see how the Giants mam - man worked against the Pack?
their guys strait up end games. all u succeeded in doing is pointing out how one dimensional are guys are.
bub.
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The Giants played off the ball in read and react the whole game
babaganoosh.
They played bump and run for all but the last 8 minutes of the Eagles game too.
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thats flat out not true .
I dont know Chumlee….
fuel tried everything against the pack . every time they played the man they got roasted.
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graceful exit.
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its going nowhere.
I know for a fact what the Giants played that game. But to each his own.
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Perry fewell - "I tried everything, nothing worked"
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he needs to not try so hard.
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hangover
The Giants were shot after the Eagles game. What’s not been discussed so much is the fact that the Eagles were, too. In that game we saw how good the Giants could be, dominating a team that many thought was the best in the league. But then we saw the Giants exposed for their lack of focus and discipline, the dreaded intangibles that allowed the comeback.
Meanwhile, we saw the Eagles dominated and beat down for three quarters, then display all the intangibles you could hope for in charging back to win, which might have marked them as a team of destiny (much like the Giants run to the 2008 SB), but for the fact that they never showed a glimmer of life after that. As much as it hurts, it was the most exciting, interesting game int he league all year.
By the time the Giants got to Lambeau, they were toast.
Great Point!
About the Eagles being shot as well. I bet over on BGN its been discussed :-)
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Agreed about...
the Eagles. That game was their Super Bowl. The excitement and hype killed them after that.
I don't know if the Pack has more talent
or if the Giants have more talent, I do think for this season that the Pack had more heart than the Giants. We had two chances to punch our ticket and laid a fat egg on both occasions. The Pack have been playing one and done since the Giants game and have been doing work.
I’ve watched all 16 Giants games this season and all 19 Packer games this season. Both teams lost 6 times this year but the Pack never lost by more than 4 points and never gave the impression that they quit or gave up on a game.
After watching both teams this year, I’d have to give the edge to the Pack.
Quinn must go !!
i dont think its heart
Its hard to measure heart, or question an athletes heart. I would put it more on execution, or focus. The intensity isn’t there, they don’t seemed focused at the end.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Feb 1, 2011 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but
heart is visible in the way they play. the pack had it, the giants didn’t for most of the year and especially when it counted most.
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
meh
i don’t really see it that way. i’ve played plenty of sports with plenty of heart and just got beat because my opponent was better. its something that’s hard to argue either way because you can’t see it, there is no stat for heart. but i think guys like Tuck, Big Boy, Eli, Rolle, Cofield, etc., would argue that they didn’t put their heart into this season.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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And that's what pissed me off about the Giants
With so much on the line, how can you not be focused. How can you not bring a boatload of intensity? This team hasn’t had intensity since they walked off the field in Arizona in 07.
Quinn must go !!
Yeah, every week Im rooting for intensity and heart because I know my team
has talent and coaching (save for TQ). Weird
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
totally agree
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Lack of veteran leaders.
I know our team has it’s leaders but like it has been said before, you just don’t replace guys like Pierce, Strahan, and Toomer who doesn’t get mentioned often enough.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 1, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
that's starting to old too though
guys like tuck, osi, Eli, most of the o-line, have been around for a minute now. they’re all pushing 30, or over 30, and they’ve been around the block long enough to instill veteran leadership to the younger guys who haven’t seen what they’ve seen. but when vets like Kareem Mac lose their heads in the Titans’ game, it makes you wonder if we have the RIGHT vets for this crew.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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starting to get old i meant to say
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Sure is...
…but who on the current roster do you have faith in to make a play when everything is on the line? I’ll never forget Pierce making that play in the Championship game against Green Bay. This team has so much talent but is missing something. Hopefully this group of guys will realize and get it together.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 1, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Tuck, Smith, Nicks?
Really missed #12.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 1, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
i have faith in tuck
He seems to step up and do something good at times. And I still believe in Eli, to’s aside, I’ve seen what he can do in big moments.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Feb 1, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed on Tuck,
he is a great player and one of my favorites. I do have one criticism of him, though. His body language is just about the worst on the team when his defense gives up a big play or things are going bad. I cringe when our leader does that…
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
no good QB inspires more doubt with his body language,facial expressions..
…and outright tomfoolery with the ball. I mean he must be hilarious for other fans and opposing players…
by Shaunthegiant on Feb 1, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
the term manningface is been used to death in some circles
cough * philly* cough cough
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
cant argue with Eli's
bad body language. Although you dont hear too much about it anymore because its not as bad as it was earlier in his career. Still does’nt change the fact that Tuck has the worst body language on the team on that field when things go bad, You must see his reactions too, no?
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
How come those guys get any credit for being that sort of leader?
Aside from 2007, Pierce, Strahan and Toomer were in the same boat. Its not exactly like we were winning the SB every year those guys were here.
I would say that overall the Giants don’t have too many good old people tho. The Packers have guys like Tausher, Clifton (which ever one’s playing…), Driver, Woodson..that’s a lot of good old people.
Steelers have Hines Ward, Casey Hampton, Brett Keisel, Farrior, Aaron Smith if he’s playing,
Really..and then take a look at the Giants. Who do we have? Seubert was playing great. McKenzie too. But Diehl and O’hara stank. Bulluck was a shell of himself this year. Osi and Deon Grant were good too.
But our old people really don’t stack up with these teams.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
To me
those three brought an air of confidence to the sideline when things were down, guys you could count on to lead their team. Our captains, Eli, Justin, and Chase appear to have big question marks over them asking if they are leaders of men, of a team. I like all three as players but as a man that can rally this team when the chips are down, we will see. I’ve seen this team fold two years in a row when it had contol of the playoffs. Hopefully this has helped build their character, made them tougher and more intelligent. Our secondary, linebackers, and receivers matured this year and should be primed to take it all ny (next year).
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 1, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
How about the Steelers?
How does our roster stack up against theirs?
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
I think
toe to toe, the Steelers would “out physical” us. I’d rather see the Steelers face our 86 squad.
Quinn must go !!
86 team was just a little bit physical, was'nt it. lol
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
Mine too. Big Harry Carson fan here, and he was'nt on the 90 team.
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
Carson is a legend
That # 53 should be ripped from Bullock’s back never to be worn by another Giant. No one has worn that number properly since Harry.
Quinn must go !!
And no one else should IMO, but I'm very biased and emotionally involved
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
There was an article in the new ESPN the magazine
written by an anonnymous player in the NFL. The article claims that 70% of players int he league don’t care about winning and only care about their paycheck. I might be off base and have no way of knowing for sure, but I’m willing the bet the majority of Gin ats players don’t care about winning all that much based off of the last few seasons
Unfortunate...
…I know we care more than they do. Most of us grew up worshiping this team. It is a business now more than ever.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
What I've seen
from our Giants, is that they are great front-runners. The term I used for Dallas several times. I hate that my eyes and heart tell me the same about our Giants. They can beat you up and blow you out, but they too often wilted late when toughness is needed most.
When we fought back and beat Jacksonville, I thought we were on to something bigger. That game told me the Giants were tough and determined. I was wrong.
But I’ll say this with full confidence: My man Eli wants to win… BIG TIME
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
Most likely true
What is certainly true is that most in the NFL are not team players. Take Haynesworth as the poster child. Or poster elephant. A big poster at that.
Many on the Giants are not team players. Just trash talking, self aggrandizing, money centered individuals. Again, I think it is up to the coach to get them in line, don’t think it has happened. The lack of discipline is the symptom in my opinion.
Sad for those who really give it up to try to win for the TEAM. Some do.
One word for you – Bavaro.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Love the Giants, but Green Bay is a better team to represent the NFC
Yes we should have beat the Titans, dallas the second time and Philly at least once. However, as stated in many other posts: too many TOs, weak LB play and injuries late in the season.
Don't forget coaching
We are comparing the two rosters like thats all that matters.
The fact that Tom Coughlin stood by Matt Dodge until he killed us factors in.
The fact that Quinn is still coaching factors in.
The gap between these teams is as much about coaching/management as it is about players.
Double Bada Bing!
You win the happy meals toy of the day. A Fat Albert paperweight masquerading as a DL.
Coaches bring out the best in players. We have much unrealized potential.
Oh sorry, I am not spozed to criticize the coaches, they are never to blame. See my sig.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 1, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Poor Dodge
I think that we’d have a decent punter if the staff would just let Dodge be Dodge and stop trying to make him Jeff Feagles. No one tried to turn Feagles into Ray Guy and that seemed to work out. Get a ST coach, teach coverage and let the punter punt. All this directional punting is great but whatever happened to hang time and good ole fashioned tackleing??
Quinn must go !!
Tackling has been eliminated in the NFL
Judged as too violent.
It is only permitted in hockey during fights.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 1, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Two must win games
and the giants lost both. One of two and they were in easily. Giants looked better than the eagles but pack dominated.
I dont think the Giants
would have made it to the superbowl, even if they would have made the playoffs. I have a hard time thinking that the Iggles wouldnt hand a 3rd loss to the team. If they made it to Atlanta I am almost positive they would have shut the Gmen down. I do think that the Gmen could have had a good shot against the Bears. I just honestly think there is no way that team is going to the superbowl if they eeked in to the playoffs.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
true
But at the end of the ‘07 season, who thought they’d run the table even if they made the playoffs?
Think about this....
If Matt fricken Dodge kicks the ball out of bounds, instead of kicking to Jackson, and the Giants pull that game out – they get a stranglehold on the NFC East, win the division, get a bye….
Its about the team getting CONFIDENCE, getting on a roll. Instead, what happened is they instead the got a complex and imploded…..
We will never know, but I am willing to say this – had the season turned differently in that Eagles game, I don’t see things turning out the way they did for us against GB et al and I would not consider us as inferior to either GB or Atlanta.
But we did lose catastrophically, and then folded up like a cheap tent. I don’t think we were exposed, I think this team lost its momentum and its confidence. And the margin between what could have happened and what did happen is very small….
what in gods name makes you think the giants were going to pull out that game?
being as we couldn’t move or stop the Eagles from moving the ball down are collective throats.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
momentum swings like the wind blows
all it may have took was a favorable coin flip. it’s not like we didn’t score on them at all that game.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
well aren't you the little glass is half full guy.
having them stick 35 points up are asses while we posted 7 in the second 1/2 didn’t exactly inspire confidence in many Giant fans had we got to OT.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
yeah its pretty easy
when there defense in the first half didn’t inspire reminisces of the 2000 Ravens. unless they put in ringers at halftime, i was very confident that we get the coin flip, we get the game.
momentum is the only thing that changed in that game, nothing else. they still had that same porous secondary from half one.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
well said, dubscrub. The psychology of the athlete and the team
as a whole is fascinating to me, It’s amazing how much confidence plays into performance
"Just when I thought you could'nt be any dumber, you go and do this... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!
I'm sick of hearing so much blame put on the least signifigant player on the team(Dodge)
I know we had the lead at that point and that is literally where we lost the game but we completely VANISHED no wait COMPLETELY IMPLODED…no wait I prefer to use the word MELTDOWN.No excuses the offense stopped scoring the defense couldn’t get a stop.They had a string of big plays given up and looked helpless.
I'm all over that subject line.
Dodge’s punt was one of the problems during that 4th quarter, not the problem. Way for the coverage team to have his back.
Quinn must go !!
Everyone knows I'm a BIG Time ELi guy--
and I gotta say. I’m a little pissed at Eli. I watched Ben’s media day and that turd of a human being deserves to be beat down and exposed by my QB. Get it together Giants. This just doesn’t feel right. Man!
focus and drive
the two areas that the Packers inarguably have us beat.
Eli is good… Rodgers is good
Both Defenses play well
There are weapons al lover both teams
But when it came down to it, they wanted it much more than we did. They we’re motivated focused and ready. We were not.
They were playing with house money… outside looking in. We were trying to hang on, trying to save our season. And we played like a team trying to hang on.
That was the major difference.
Call it coaching, call it nerves, call it whatever you want… we lost cause we weren’t ready to win. A story that is becoming all too familiar
Prove me wrong TC.
Packers had the better team-
Giants just didn’t have the talent on the field so they lost. I’m looking more and more at Reese these days. Coaches can yell at the players all they want.Vocal leadership is over-rated. If championship talent isn’t there, it isn’t there.
it is upsetting
I was walking into a bar tonight and they had a Steelers logo and a Packers logo hanging up by the entrance. I couldn’t help but pause for a minute and think about how easily it could have been the Giants that were playing in this game. There’s not a team in the league that they couldn’t beat, and Ed put it right by saying that the Packer’s won the “right” games this year. Hopefully the Giants stop beating themselves next year, because they can beat anybody in this league.
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