'Friday Five' With Pat Traina, Cowboys-Giants Game 1 Edition
by Ed Valentine on Dec 9, 2011 7:00 AM EST
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PrintGood morning, New York Giants fans! Time for our weekly 'Friday Five' with the always-informative Inside Football editor, Pat Traina. This week we chat about the up-and-down nature of the Giants, Kenny Phillips, the future of Tom Coughlin and more.
Be sure to check out Pat's site for my answers to her questions.
Ed: Do you think we will continue to see the kind of effort from the Giants that we saw Sunday against Green Bay? Lots of talk about gaining momentum, using it as a springboard, etc.? Or, have you given up trying to figure out the ups and downs of this team?
Pat: They're saying all the right things, Ed, but just as I stopped bothering to ask guys listed on the injury report how much work they did - I can count on two fingers the number of guys who have been truthful/accurate in that regard - I don't want to hear the bravado. I want to see it. And we won't see it until they take the field on Sunday. I think they know what's at stake here. I also think it comes down to how badly they as a group want it.
Ed: No official word yet, but it seems likely Kenny Phillips will not play. What will the Giants miss without him, and how do you expect to see them try to replace him?
Pat: What they miss without him is his aggressiveness. However, one thing we constantly write about at Inside Football is how deep Phillips tends to play to the point where sometimes it's as if they have just ten men on defense. With that said, I'm concerned that if that trend continues, and they replace him with Deon Grant (who in the opinion of many has lost a step), that secondary could be in for a long day.
Ed: Talk about Mitch Petrus. He got a lot of praise after last week. What has taken so long for him to get an opportunity, and do you think the Giants view him as a guy who could be a long-term solution at guard eventually?
Pat: I really don't know what's taken so long. Petrus tends to be an excitable guy so he's been a victim of his own hand to where he's making mistakes in the reps he does get. Remember, I don't get to see the team part of practice. Is he a long-term solution at guard? Well Snee isn't going anywhere and I would think that once Beatty is healthy again, he goes back to left tackle and Diehl goes back to left guard. So my guess is no unless they decide they don't want any of these three guys any more - and I don't see that happening.
Ed: Many people think it's playoffs or bust for Tom Coughlin's future as head coach of the Giants. Can you see scenarios under which Coughlin would stay on even if the Giants miss the playoffs?
Pat: I think so long as they show fight and don't quit on him, Coughlin will get a pass given the injuries that this team had and the rookies he was given to work with. Now with that said, if memory serves me correctly, Coughlin was inked to an extension after the lockout ended which I believe enters its final year next year. Typically the Giants don't let a coach go into lame duck status, so it will be interesting to see what they do with TC if they do keep him. One last point - I am not sure that even if TC is kept, that all of his assistants stick around.
Ed: Time to go out on a limb, Pat. Not letting you out of it this time. In your gut, do you think the Giants turn things around the last four weeks and make the playoffs? Or, are they going home early?
Pat: I would like to think that they turn this around and pull it together and get into the playoffs, but talk is cheap and I'm from the "Show Me" state. So it doesn't matter what I think (If I could predict the future, I'd be retired and living in Hawaii right now.) What matters most is that they show up for their remaining games because if they don't, then all the talk was nothing more than wasted breath.
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About the Petrus answer....
I disagree with Pat completely. The Giants will very likely look to replace Diehl at guard after this year – he’s been atrocious. I think a solid run of play at the end of the season by Petrus could very well lead to him being a serious candidate for that spot on the line next year.
by illlwill on Dec 9, 2011 7:18 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
How could anyone watch the Giants
And think that David Diehl isn’t going anywhere? He has been horrendous.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
can you honestly believe that they'll get rid of Diehl?
last year Beatty and Boothe come in to play LT and LG and all of a sudden the team starts running the ball. Diehl and O’Hara are then healthy a few weeks later…they’re back in the lineup and they can’t do a damn thing.
Of course Petrus should be at guard. Having 2 guards who can pull has been shown to be the most important aspect of the entire offense, since Eli’s protection apparently holds up no matter who’s in there.
But will Coughlin take Diehl out of the lineup if he’s healthy? He’s never done it before despite his performance. Really the best thing to happen to this team is Baas and Beatty being out, so that’s gotten Petrus in there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
TC will forever play Diehl.
but I bet Reese wouldn’t stand for it.
by The Cole Train on Dec 9, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
yea Reese hopefully cuts Diehl this offseason and saves us from that
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Diehl might have value as a supersub
Able to play multiple positions adequately.
But agree, he is a disaster at guard. Maybe RT in 2012.
IMO he should not play LG. Maybe RT ( for some reason he seems to play better at tackle) or more likely a sub.
BUT, he has a good sized contract that might make him too $$$ for the bench.
Start him at RT in 2012 with a quick hook – or cut him.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
Diehl certainly can't play Guard anymore
DTs just blow him up every play. He hasn’t been as terrible at LT as LG so maybe RT would help…but I’d rather he just goes
RT would probably be perfect
he appears to have the ability to play tackle, not guard and RT usually doesn’t have to deal with the other team’s top pass rusher and also has a TE to help for the most part in the base O.
Mack is a FA and I really, really can’t see him coming back. Diehl to RT makes sense.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'm not sure?
Diehl played RT his rookie season, hasn’t played on the right side since?
Would he be an upgrade over the human turnstyle now, most likely…I am not sure
they would move him back over there. I like the way Petrus seems to play with a bit
of a nastiness, this line needs more of that, frankly!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
RT seems likely for Diehl
because TC hates to have little experience on the line. Petrus and Beatty and Baas are all new to starting on the NYG line. I think he’d want at least two guys who have been there for several years, preferably one on either side but that lineup would suck.
"I understand (Vick's) frustration. Nobody wants to get hit that many times." ~Mathias Kiwanuka
Reese the same guy who said
“You win championships with David Diehl”…… i wouldnt count onit but it should be done…..of course Petrus should be playing, this aint rocket science.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I dont know
I mean I agree with your reasoning, its pretty much TC’s MO to do exactly what you’re saying… but still.
1. He’s over 30
2. I don’t think anyone would argue that he’s played well, even briefly, for the last 2 years
3. He’s also got a sizeable contract
I definitely wouldn’t count out the loyalty thing saving him somehow, but if that stuff can’t get him off the field I dont know what will.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 9, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
I would say that Diehl played extremely well last week at LT
maybe he’s just healthy, maybe its just that having Petrus next to him with all that energy is gonna revitalize him.
The Packers got along with Chad Clifton at LT last year, so those old farts can get by.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hmm I dont know
I only watched the game live and its hard to gauge line play like that, but I can’t say anything stood out to me. Pass protection was about as good as its been all year. They only had success running with Jacobs, and from memory I would have said it was mainly behind Boothe / Snee. Thats not to say you’re not right though. Depending on what happens in the offseason the move to RT might make sense… would just hate to wind up with another aging, declining experiment on the line.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I saw them running left plenty last Sunday
and they were running well. I think that’s really all that’s needed.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You're right I looked it up quick
They had about equal success running both ways.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
running between the tackles
on both sides well last week.
As you said above two guards that can pull.
And Diehl seems to excell at Tackle, I think because the assignment is simpler. Guards (in our scheme) need to know more assignments than the Tackles who typically handle the DE and that’s about it.
RT makes good sense until Brewer is ready to go.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
DD didnt have to worry about a passrush last week.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Yea that sizable contract
Should be gone as soon as our last game (playoffs or not)! B/c if he stays there’s no way TC doesn’t start him! The only way to take that control from TC and his veteran loyalty Is to to remove the player completely. + it’s not like he’s been dominant or really effective! He gets removed from the interior and we become stout! We hav more important ppl to resign at the end of this year so clear his salary ASAP
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes especially since his salary increases with the switch from guard back to tackle
Due to the clause in his contract.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Why are you a TC supporter?
But will Coughlin take Diehl out of the lineup if he’s healthy? He’s never done it before despite his performance. Really the best thing to happen to this team is Baas and Beatty being out, so that’s gotten Petrus in there.
I agree 150% with your comments.
It’s not just Diehl. There’s been so many others over the last few seasons. TC hinders the progress of the young players. It’s got to be disheartening to a player. Make one mistake and you’re exiled to the end of the bench. Meanwhile, a player like Diehl has been abused for the last 2+ season, and hasn’t missed a snap outside of an injury.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
TC's the same guy that's basically never had a 1st or 2nd round bust under his watch
unless the guy’s injury prone. Tough to say that he hinder the progress of young players, since its not true.
Diehl sucks at run blocking, but as we just saw last week its probably more of a product of the guard next to him and the guy playing center.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
she's saying she thinks Boothe gets the job
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Also, total cop out on the last question
Especially given how Ed frames the question
seriously
on thing I like in beat coverage is the simple ability to say “I think they can do it.”
How hard is that to do?
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 9, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
She doesnt say yes or no to anything
IDk about her alot of the time.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
she does that every week
it seems like its a running joke
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Pat pulled a Pat
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
by wilddre22 on Dec 9, 2011 8:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Something tells me Pat
is a woman who believes in Karma. And to make bold statements can sometimes be viewed as spitting in the face of the delicate balance that it holds.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Why does TC get to stay
But his Assistants don’t? Doesn’t TC pick his own Assistants?
Keeping TC but replacing everything around him is not the answer IMHO.
The Giants are more than a tweak away from turning this around; they’re a complete Mindset away. That falls on the Coach. Although I am grateful for everything, TC needs to go. Time to bring in change.
It's Pat's opinion
Plus, she is there every day so she does have some insight into the mindset. We will see, but I do have the feeling that TC’s future rides more on the effort displayed in the final four games than the actual results themselves.
+1 Maras will watch the effort closely
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
TC is gone if.......
the Giants don’t make the Post season and make some noise. No and’s, if’s, or but’s. Injuries are mear excuses. The Giants still have the talent., They stood toe to toe with the Packers, and has been the case all too often under Coughlin, THEY DIDN"T GET IT DONE!!! Each week now, we are getting one step closer to Bill Cowher. Amen!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I am not buying into it...
If they don’t make the playoffs, he should be gone. Has mediocrity become the accepted level around these parts now? I noticed she didn’t go “out on a limb” either, what else is new, LOL!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
And don't forget.........
how ANGRY John Mara was after last year. Can you imagine if the Giants missed the Playoffs again after a 6-2 start this year??? TC shouldn’t make it back to the Giants Stadium locker room after the final game.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
You maybe right Ed
But despite her informed opinion, as this is a blog I am still questioning the logic ;)
Complete Mindset Change?
This team went 10-6 last year and could very well have a winning record this year. Not sure I want to change that mindset. In terms of a coordinator change we have done it twice, bringing in Spags and Radio. Both payed dividends in the first year. Also look at Dallas and (especially) Houston. The right DC can make a huge difference.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
Mindset
Yes, I said total mindset change:
- perennial stiffs on Special Teams (despite infusion of talent)
- perennial OVER-usage of vets when an infusion of youth is warranted (yes, there WILL be hiccups, but seriously, is there another way to bring experience to the rooks?!)
- loyalty to stick with status quo (Sheridan, Quinn), and e x t r e m e l y slow ability to adjust gameplan when the scripted one is not working (Fewell’s gameplan against Indy last year, his use of JPP at DT, 3 man rushes this year ..)
- injuries .. a mindset or bad luck?: TC was pretty firm it was mindset when he started, or?
I understand it’s not a popular view – but Even if I stand alone, I am sticking to it. Thanks TC, wish you well in your life after Giants.
by giants013 on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im ready to move on.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
++++++++++++ I LOVE HOUSTON
Have for awhile so glad they kept Kube’s and finally added a great D-Coordinator to go wih a top flight offense!
But back to the Giants, unless we go to the divisional round, TC should be gone! Aside from 07 he has no playoff wins. That just can’t be accepted its not plausible that this could be he norm! Especially with a franchise QB like Eli! If they we don’t make the playoffs he and his old school philosophies can KICK ROCKS
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 9, 2011 9:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
4 out of the 6 games we lost were barely losses
I’d even say 2 of them we had all but won aside from some freak occurrences at the end. If that doesn’t spell out that merely a ‘tweak’ is needed, nothing does.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
although i agree, barely losses are still losses
i dont think the team’s “effort” should save TC’s job if we finish 1-3
barely losses are losses and barely wins are still wins, sure
but what this team’s endured I’d say a lesser coach (cough…Cowher) would have us at well below .500 right now. And I’d keep Gilbride too, as much as that screen to Ware makes me want to stab him in the eyes with that IHOP menu he carries with him.
Also I’d make sure we had the right guy line up to take over, if we needed to replace him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah totally agree. I like Coughlin but you simply can't miss the playoffs 3 years straight
especially the way they start (6-2, 6-2, 5-3). There may not be a better guy for the job (probably the reason the Maras have stayed so loyal to him), but I don’t know that he could withstand another non-playoff year.
Preferably, PF and TQ get the axe and we bring in a more competent DC and a more…not the worst coordinator in the history of special teams.
I'm not too sure id be so quick to get rid of PF
Last yr we were a top 10 Defense (7 to be exact) I believe. With TT and Goff I believe we wouldve dominated teams and had a lot more turnovers. They were both ready to take off and I think consistency with the group would be great. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss him. In Buffalo in 09 his D led the league in Ints along with the saints I believe! I think he could be very good for us once we get everyone back and in the right place
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 9, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would keep PF
all the hate has been overblown.
There are way worst defenses that get way more praise simply because there offense starts quickly and they have a run game or score alot.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
what's overblown?
In 2009 we crucified Sheridan. Statistically this defense is significantly worse.
2009
Points allowed: 285
Rushing Yards allowed 1221
Passing 2379
Total Yards Allowed 3600
2011
Points allowed: 315
Rushing Yards allowed 1524
Passing 3123
Total Yards Allowed 4647
Through 14 games this defense has allowed in excess of 1000 yards more than we did in 2009.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
If Phillips can't play, why not more Tyler Sash
Deon Grant will not have the speed to keep up with the Cowboys’ receivers.
Is Prince playing? He is starting to seem fragile, even for a Giant.
My belief...
Since he was out all of preseason minus one play in practice, he got the year off on the wrong foot (pun intended). I think it was bound to happen that he would suffer some setback, especially with it getting colder.
Sash scares me
Just b/c of what I have seen from the rookie LB’s in coverage. That being said if KP can’t go I really thing you need Rolle anchoring the back of the defense. I don’t need to see Dez going in on an 80 yard bomb.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
Why do rookie LB's in coverage scare you when it comes to a rookie saftey in coverage??
Two totally different things, ones been playing coverage for ever the others havent.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sash in a limited role sounds good
Just keep the play call simple while he’s on the field. At this point he’s a better athlete but who knows where his head is at. I for one don’t want to find out this week.
Keep his assignments simple and get him on the field but when they gotta get fancy, give me somebody that knows the scheme.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Prince starting to seem fragile?? naw
Deon Grant is not as bad as he seems if he stops pretending hes young and stays where he is supposed to be, he is very very instinctive but loses his technique alot thinking he’s still 26.
I agree with the Sash thing, he IMO was one of the most ready safeties in this draft. he could be on the field starting right now if we didnt have who we have on the roster.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
why not more Tyler Sash?
he’s a rookie
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Question
Does any other stadium in the league have the same field turf as the one at Met-Life stadium? Just curious. Trying to put one and one together here. I really need to put my finger on it!
Many Stadiums do......
including Jerry Jones Stadium….
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Yes most do and all newly built ones do as well
I think they pick the percentages though.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I don't
our cone sucks… shoulda drafted the one with the blinking light on top. ####ing Reese.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 9, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
I heard the wet floor sign was available in the 4th round
Ours for the taking.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
by wilddre22 on Dec 9, 2011 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alright alright guys I'll play the dime cb for crying out loud
But cut the crap prince has been practicIg he’s playing so quit the guessing
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 9, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That fatty does look slow :-)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
it might as well be a cone
PF’s defense is basically go this a spot and stand there.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Rolle
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
i just question if we are to thin to pull it off
We have been thin the the secondary all year long and getting thinner. By week 16 we’re gonna have WRs playing corner. Not to mention this makes fewell rush 3 even more I bet. Or maybe just maybe Radio realizes if a QB doesn’t have time to throw coverage doesn’t matter.
by hit_hard on Dec 9, 2011 8:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i wouldnt rule it out at this point
by hit_hard on Dec 9, 2011 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Barden at S/LB
Beckum at DE
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The pats even line up one of their CB's or WR's at DE
i forgot who it was exactly but i was amazed and it was in a 3 man rush and it worked……now thats coaching
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That WR
is pretty good as a DB. At least he was in against the Eagles.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
i would also like everyone to remember
We did beat the Girls with Webster/Pope at corner—michael johnson and G wilson at safety. Oh that right we blitz a couple times which may have helped.
by hit_hard on Dec 9, 2011 8:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
SIGN R.W. McQUARTERS TO A 1-GAME CONTRACT
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
Why didn't I think of that?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
by wilddre22 on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
images branded in my brain
right alongside Simms-to-McConkey via Bavaro; wide right, and Alford burying Brady;
there’s the image of the man with a band-aid on his cheek intercepting Romo in the end zone of that divisional game.
And somewhere, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman clung to each other, and trembled, and softly sobbed.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Haha yeah!
I remember that too, all the way down to the trembling and the sobbing.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
by wilddre22 on Dec 9, 2011 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And Jeruh on the sideline looking like he was on lithium.
Or someone took his puppy.
Let’s recreate these memories this Sunday, I want to go to sleep with a smile after a Giants game at least ONCE more this season…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
or at least fair catch(and drop) them
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
returning punts for the Giants
requires hazard pay though
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
The Cowboys are nothing special....
the Giants can and should beat them. Eli loves playing in Dallas. As for Pat Traina, if you are not going to answer the questions why are you here???? And no TC isn’t safe because he can blame the whole thing on injuries. That’s crap!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
The Giants aren't either
at his point, they have lost 4 in a row, right? If they don’t win Sunday night, put a fork in them!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
The Cowboys wouldn't be able......
to stand toe to toe with the Packers. You think Romo could match Rodgers? C’mon now!! The whole thing witht the Giants is which team is going to show up each week. And that’s a TC issue. With a good Coach you know what team is showing up. Yes, if the Giants lose Sunday or Jan. 1st it’s over, I agree.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
How is that relevant
if the Cowpokes could go toe to toe with the Packers? Does that matter now, ah no!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
It is relevant when the..........
Cowboys can’t beat the Cardinals and the Coach ice’s his own kicker. Yeah, real good team they got there in Dallas……..Our best effort against theres, we win!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
That's why they play the games right?
They did beat the 49’ers, each week is different.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
You do realize
that we only just BARELY managed to beat the Cardinals this year right?
by Well-Rounded Cube on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Team A beating Team B
Team B beating team C
DOES NOT EQUAL
Team A beating Team C
Using your logic we should lose Sunday because:
Cowboys > Niners
Niners > Giants
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Regarding Ed's final answer to Pat
I’d say the Giants showed they can actually play EIGHT solid games in a row, from STL to SF. SEA and SF were the losses during that stretch and those both came down to one play with us at the goal line ready to score.
"I understand (Vick's) frustration. Nobody wants to get hit that many times." ~Mathias Kiwanuka
Who here actually thinks Phillips will suit up Sunday night?
by jrainone7 on Dec 9, 2011 10:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
re: question 5
Ed says he wont let her off the hook & she needs to answer.
Pat responds by avoiding the question
SMH
Nobody wins the Superblow in November.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
You can't spell Elite without ELI.
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