New York Giants News And Notes: David Baas' Season In Jeopardy?
by Ed Valentine on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 AM EST
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PrintGood morning, New York Giants fans. If you are tired of reading injury news about the Giants, I have bad news for you. We begin today discussing the mysterious headaches, neck issues that have been plaguing Giants center David Baas.
"All that I really have to say is that I have had neck issues. I have been dealing with it pretty much all season. These issues have stemmed into migraine issues and now we are getting a lot of tests done, some evaluations and we will let the medical staff handle all of that and make the right decision," Baas said. "I really want to play football but my health is very important to me. They will make the best decision."
Could that decision be that Baas' first season with the Giants is over? He did not want to speculate
"I am not thinking about that at all. What I am thinking about is this week and I am going to do everything that they want me to do as far as tests and getting stuff checked out and looked at.," Baas said. "I just have to deal with it. We have to deal with it and we have to do what is right for this team and the medical staff is going to make that decision and make the right one."
During Eli Manning's meeting with reporters Wednesday a reporter made the observation that the Giants don't seem to have the mindset of a team on a four-game losing streak.
"This is exciting. When you're getting into December and you're playing for playoffs and division leads and different things, this is what it's all about. This is a fun time. I think it's important that the guys look at it like that. It's not something to get nervous about or get anxious. It's something to look forward to," Manning said. "The mindset is looking ahead. It doesn't matter what you've done last week or what your record is. It's what you're playing for, who you have this week. And you have Dallas, Sunday Night Football, that's a big one. I think everybody is excited about the opportunity."
Giants' guard Chris Snee said the team has to approach their remaining games as though they are playoff games.
"Our playoffs start now. That's how you have to look at it. We know what's at stake. Everyone is aware of what's going on and the circumstance we put ourselves in by not being able to win some of these games, but heads are up," Snee said. "We're not down by any means. We know that we're still in it. If we take care of our own business, hopefully we'll be playing in January."
Ware thinks Tuck is Cowboy wannabe | New York Daily News
DeMarcus Ware has a simple theory about Justin Tuck.
To the Dallas Cowboys’ pass-rusher, Tuck is nothing more than a desperate wannabe. And every time Tuck trashes the Cowboys, every time he talks about how much he "hates" Dallas and how he thinks Cowboys Stadium a dump, Ware feels a sense of pity for the struggling Giants defensive lineman.
"He says that because maybe he wants to play here," Ware told reporters in Irving, Tex., on Wednesday. "Everybody wants to play for the Cowboys. If I wasn’t playing for the Cowboys I would call it that too, because I want to play for them."
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Of course Tuck wants to play at Dallas
We’ve owned them there since they moved in.
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln
At least we play in OUR stadium...
…not the Jets’.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
And I believe the Giants are 3-3 in Dallas dating back to 2005...
…regardless of the stadium.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
LOL. anyone referencing games played in 2005 and 2006 and 2007 and 2008
and applying them to the current situation at hand is clearly grasping at straws. We are 2-0 in JerryWorld. How many players combined from each team are left from 2005? 10 max. Might as well say the Giants are 10-10 in Dallas since 1991, it has the same relevancy.
I forgot...
…you’re the only one allowed to tailor “stats” to your liking.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
another LOL. there is no tailoring here, the Giants teams that won at JerryWorld are relevant because both teams have WAY more of the same players, that competed in those contests, right now
2005-2008, not so much.
that would be my response even if the cowboys were in the same stadium since 2005, it just so happens that the most recent giants team own Dallas in their house.
using 2005 games in dallas is completely and utterly irrelevant
If any of the years past are relevant to you, be them last or from 2005 or 1960, for that matter...
…I figured the .500 aspect would at least peak your interest. If anything, it should show you the location seldom matters, inclement weather aside. Especially in Dallas’ new arena, which has a retractable dome, essentially “leveling the playing field”, so to speak.
During the season at hand, as you put it, the past doesn’t matter.
You keep bringing up players, as if they are constant in their play or location from year to year.
Grasping at straws you are.
Using 2005 games anywhere as an example is just as irrelevant as using games from 2009 or 2010.
I’m looking forward to Sunday. You know, this upcoming Sunday, a game that matters in the present? Good luck to your Gmen. Remember, this ain’t last year.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
ehhh no
using games from 2009 and 2010 is irrelevant, but not nearly as irrelevant as games from 2005 and 2006. Anyone with half a brain knows that there is a much higher percentage of players on the Giants (and Cowboys) 2011 team from those 2009 and 2010 teams than the 2005 and 2006 teams.
Therefore the Giants 2-0 record at Dallas the past two years is a more relevant statistic than the Giants being 3-3 at Dallas since 2005.
Ed....u do such a good job in features and inside stories... I was wondering
If you can put anything together on Tyler Sash.I am suspecting with the Jenny Phillips injury,hopefully Giants/Fewell doesn’t ask Grant to do too much in space.I know coming in the league Sash was somewhat of a ballhawk
by giantsbizzybody1 on Dec 8, 2011 7:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ed hosts this blog
he’s not a beat writer in the Giants facility. He’s not a member of the media family that covers the Giants.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Bring us the KONZ
I have to say, I was pretty pissed when I heard Baas was out last week with a headache. It sounds like he should be shut down just to be safe.
Better get Boothe a long-term deal.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
I really hope
for his sake, it is not tumor related, football takes a large backseat to that!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Now that I mention it...
large backseat, Boothe, I sense a correlation…
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Ware is 1) Wrong 2) Dumb
Why would you want to play for a team that folds even more than the Giants?
A team that is slated for the SB and has not reached it since 1995-96 season, perennial disappointers.
And a dumb comment that Tuck can feed off. How does this help the Cowpokes? Just dumb.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
Plus, all of the Cowboy fans who read this are stinky poo-poo pants
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I wish I had a running tally
of all the kids I grew up with in the 90s who were Cowboys fans but have since switched
I wish I had a running tally
Of all the kids I beat up that were Dallas fans in the 90s.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Oh...that is brilliant!
I wish you were a kid again!
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Right...
Those are the same people who were Giants fans in 07, Steelers fans in 08, Saints fans in 09, and Packer fans last year.
I heard that Jerry Jones is trying to snag Albert Pujols.
Jones was quoted saying “The Cowboys are one home run away from winning ball games”…
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Go Mitch Peppers Go!
I like what Eli saying. Easy peasy lemon squeezee. Ware is a buffoon.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
He can keep his pecker-paws off of his rings!
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Ware is a great player
and who knows, maybe most players do want to go to Dallas. However, saying something this silly in the week leading into the game seems like needless ammo for a coach to try and fire up one of their players (ie Tuck). However, the whole bulletin board thing is a tad overblown, so who knows.
I'm numb to the Injuries
Put Super sub Boothe in there and let’s do this!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
After what happened to Chicago & Houston
We certainly can’t complain. Give me Eli and we have a chance.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
So far most of they guys that have come off the bench to fill slots have done a decent job. Makes you wonder about the talent level that could be sitting on the bench
by rbman3 on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We have tons of young talent
They just won’t see the field unless there’s an injury,… That’s just how TC works.
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
My plan for Baas
IR HIM TODAY!!!
I’m done with all the questions and I’m sure that the rest of the line will be better off if they put him on ice. Then they can move on and focus on their play.
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So......Tuck wants to play in Dallas where he wouldnt have a ring??
Ok, if you say so Mr. Ware
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Best to Baas
The NYG signed a FA lineman with a history of neck issues? Not smart.
Hope he is OK. Yeah, IR him now and move on with who you have and can count on.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
I agree...
Although I did just think that may be a disaster waiting to happen if someone else goes down hard. Maybe just inactivating him but leaving him on the roster would be smarter just in case…
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by nywins42 on Dec 8, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They did
sign a Yugo, I mean Ugoh.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Not smart at all.
But then what else is new?
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We could be talking about the fact that JR re-signed Boothe and drafted Petrus, and because of that
even though we lose Stacy Andrews, Will Beatty, and David Baas, we don’t even miss a beat. But nobody ever says that.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
you just did thus making an excellent point
But the injury proneness of our players is still alarming and annoying.
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
indeed it is quite alarming and quite annoying.
and the weirdness of the injuries is perturbing as well.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
This is true, BUT...
all it has done is keep the line play where it was, mediocre.
I’m playing devil’s advocate, yes, but we can give props to JR for having quality depth, like you said, but we need better frontline talent next year.
And my faith in JR tells me he will address the Oline and it will be better next year.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
that's true. But can you blame JR for that? Will Beatty has played well.
Diehl was an all-pro at guard before going to LT. Nobody could have predicted that sort of drop off. Baas when healthy has been solid. McKenzie/Snee were the best right side in the NFL a year ago.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone believe like I do that...
Jerry Reese just has bad luck. It has been like that for a long time now. The majority of ppl he’s drafted have had a uncanny knack of ending up on IR sooner than later in their careers. Another head-scratcher
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
shrugs. I dunno
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Some bad luck, yes.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Bad luck??
Like winning the superbowl in his first year??
Oh and no such thing as luck. things happen.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I hear you, BBI.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
no he wasn't
Diehl was an all-pro at guard before going to LT
He was an alternate in 2009 at LT
Perry Fewell Stinks!
He was close
And when you throw the ole Blue tinted glasses on what’ really the diffrence between an all-pro gaurd and an alternative to the pro bowl…Tomatoes Tomaatoes
by Late for Dinner on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
JPP has a history of back and neck issues in the offseason, should we not have drafted him??
ALl players have some type of injury history and nagging issue. Dont be fooled its the nature of the beast.
Severity is the main thing and im sure Ronnie Barnes and the medical staff gave the okay on it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Mr. Scandrick - Why are you swiping Nicks' chest? Everyone knows he is an eligible receiver!
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Perhaps these neck issues explain his poor play
It’s the Canty effect: Be healthy for your career until you sign with the Giants.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
wondered
the same thing myself when i read this.
by wednesdays_spear on Dec 8, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
and back injuries...
it’s the Larry Johnson effect: Throw your back out on the flight to NY
Fire Fewell
Wow...I'm down with Tebow and the Broncos but...
It just hit me that they have a better record than the Giants! I’ve obviously been doing my best Rip Van Winkle impersonation.
Why does Jesus hate the Giants so much?
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we denied his favorite team's undefeated season
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
And the truth shall set you free!
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So does the Jets.
Depressing, but this game against KC is the kind of game the Jets often lose.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
That is true
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Who wouldnt want to play for the Cowboys
20 years ago
Ronald Reagan
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Has anyone seen Brewer play?
I’m really curious on his progression.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 8, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Rumor is that he is not performing well.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
dude's a rookie
so that rumor is ass
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yes, but let's make sure we know where Ware is at all times and double team or chip him at all times.
Other option: force him to cover a fourth or fifth receiver.
Probably see a lot more Cordle at tight end.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Hope that Baas will be OK, it's starting to sound serious.
Another opportunity to see who will step up! The way this season has been going, with all of the injuries and such, JR has had the opportunity to see some of his picks at least play in real game situations. Because otherwise they would just be practice fodder. Good to get a real look at them early.
by oldschoolblue64 on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM EST reply actions
Ware's comment is the most desperate comment I've heard...
Right on the heals of just barely beating Miami and losing to Arizona… yup, who wouldn’t want to play on a team whose only real recent history is their December collapses.
Let Ware talk rather than focus on the game at hand
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fixated.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
kind of creepy but still funny
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I want to what they are saying
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Reminds me of that "This is your mind on drugs" commercial. They're saying:
This is your brain…as a Giant’s fan.
= )
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
Kudos for the "mind on drugs" reference...
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Is that the double rainbow guy and his brother?
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
The kids in the room are scratching their heads at this. lol This gif brought me back. I must remember it so well, because...
…you know us Cowboys fans:
We're obviously all on drugs
That, and every Cowboys fan is a band-wagoner (Yes, I made that word up)
And we can't-think-for-ourselves, always succumbing to peer pressure.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
For some reason I can't stop laughing at this.
Team Win Ugly.
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
by BleedBigBlue on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Talk is so meaningless
Just play the game. Ware’s stupidity doesnt negate that he’s an all pro pass rusher. How do we stop him with a patchwork and often ineffective OLine?
DavebrownNOT
why was petrus inactive for so damn long?
I get the “numbers” game. I know the Giants had these various olinemen i.e boothe, andrews, now cordle.
and I know the secondary is thin and the LBs are thin….
but not only was Petrus “adequate”….he looked good. He’s big but he’s agile and he’s so geeked up to play he brings that extra “effort” to the field
players like that you gotta find ways to get reps.
seems like they were going to give him the “Beatty” treatment but i think we can all agree that Diehl played LT for too long so why are they holding on to him at LG like they were?
Fire Fewell
That's the 100 million dollars question
He did a helluva job last year …I remember him running like a freaking kid and pumping everyone on the sideline during his first couple of games, when he was there along with andrews put like 3 games in a row when we ran for over 100 yards and were just mauling the opposition but again, this coaching staff tends to go away from what works, can not put my finger on it?
…to quote Verbal Kint: Suddenly puff! And like that…He’s Gone."
Coughlin is a coach who distrusts young players
Because he believes that avoiding mistakes is more important in winning a game than anything else. So he will go with whatever player he feels will be the most likely to not make mistakes, irrespective of what else they can bring to the table. But once a player shows he can play relatively mistake-free football, he earns TC’s trust. I believe that’s main reason you havent seen much of Barden, despite what I think is amazing talent.
DavebrownNOT
call me ignorant...
but I think it’s more on KG than TC.
ultimately I know everythign comes back to the HC. but in terms of decision making, i think it’s KG.
Fire Fewell
ignorant
because the same thing happens on defense. Young defensive players are given limited opportunities. When they get an opportunity if they make a mistake they are promptly pulled from the game. This is something we’ve witnessed under TC’s tenure time and time again.
TC is the ignorant one. On many occasions rookies have flourished when given the opportunity. If it wasn’t for injuries at WR the team wouldn’t have uncovered Cruz.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
so explain to me why they held out as long as possible to resign Chase Blackburn?
I’m not arguing with you but how the heck did JWILL, G Jones, Herz, and Paysinger make this squad?
I’d even venture to make a guess that if G. JOnes was at least adequate, Chase wouldn’t be here.
in fact, G. Jones started vs. GB but got pulled off the field in favor of Chase pretty quickly. but the coaches gave him a shot to start and play….
in fact, so far this season G. Jones appears to be a boarderline reach in the 6th round. which is understandable. Goff didn’t hit the ground running either and he was a 4th rounder. but i’m saying….they gave G Jones the shot. so i don’t see the correlation between Offense and Defense.
Fire Fewell
That was one game from Chase.
His effectiveness may go downhill from here.
I’ll reserve judgement for now but I hear what you are saying after watching Chase last week.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
i'm not really giving credit to Chase...
I’m just saying G Jones started that game….but hardly played a down
if they were committed to moving on from GJ (at least this year) he wouldn’t have started.
Fire Fewell
Well yeah...
They were committed to moving on (getting younger) from Chase, this we know. That won’t change, IMO.
I think Chase is just a stop gap for the rest of this year and the coaching and development of Mr. Jones will continue next off season.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Having a bunch of rookie LBs seemed like a good idea
until OH MY GOD SOMEONE MADE A MISTAKE PANIC.
I’m kidding.
sort of.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 8, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Also Chase and Goff were going head to head once AP left and they said...
Goff was the better of the two, so Chase did have his chance at the starting LB position, he even had a leg up on Goff because he was with the team longer.
by oldschoolblue64 on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
That's what it is.
Why are we screaming about TC not playing young players on offense, but killing him for playing young players on defense?
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Dont confuse me with confusion
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Because the LBs and CBs
were so decimated by injuries that TC had no choice.
DavebrownNOT
but they had a choice to sign Chase right off the bat once Goff went down
and opted not too.
it’s not like Chase’s salary was gonna break the bank.
Fire Fewell
so the failure of our young players on defense has had no impact on what we want TC to do on offense?
Da’rel Scott DID fumble….Brewer got Lawrence Tynes killed in the preseason….etc.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmm,...
In my mind, I would say that means that your coaching staff sucks when it comes to utilizing your personnel effectively. In my opinion, I have never thought that TC was all that good of a coach because of his inability to use his young talent and his piss poor judgement in selecting his coaching staff. All that adds up to is up and down results, which practically defines the Giants under his regime. Maybe I’m still a little sour about the Giants letting Shianco go, but I always thought that he was better than Kevin Boss, and when we don’t have a bunch of injuries we end up wasting our young talent by keeping them on the bench.
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Picking a nit...
Giants weren’t going to pay both Shockey and Shiancoe big money.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
THIS THIS THIS!
It doesn’t matter what you’ve done last week or what your record is. It’s what you’re playing for.
"I understand (Vick's) frustration. Nobody wants to get hit that many times." ~Mathias Kiwanuka
Yes...
I just wish they were all playing for the same thing week in and week out.
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Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
In the NFL these days,
fans need to root for energy level and minimal mistakes, cause that’s the difference between winning and losing in the world of NFL parity.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Real Talk
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
It's sad.
This is also why the coach and his message are so important, and I don’t think TC’s message resonates with these guys with any consistency. How in the dagone world do the Giants come out flat against the Eagles 3 weeks ago???
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Honestly Tommy
Coming out Flat aint on TC….ive seen him, he seems like if his birthday didnt end in the letters B.C. he would be out there making tackles himself.
I will say what i have always believed and thats when your getting paid millions coming out flat is on you. Ray Lewis and the Ravens are never really flat and it has nothing to do with coaches its because they made up their minds before they hit that field.
Our players are to blame cause its been the same for ever even with Spags here. IDK even they cant put their finger on it. its weird.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Great point about Ray Lewis
We don’t really know for sure how to measure how much is the players, particular players, or the coach(s), but it is just my very strong opinion that these players don’t get up as often as they should under TC. It may even be a lack of confidence in the message/game plan. At least on the defensive side.
But your point is well taken and your Ray Lewis example makes me think…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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They sure dont you are absolutely correct about that.
Honestly tommy and you may not agree but it has alot to do with the natural disposition of the human beings we draft.
The players we tend to draft are super smart intellectual, quiet natured guys, i mean we basically had to beg Tuck to be a “leader”, a year after Stray retired they asked Kevin Boss who the leader was and he said “Michael Strahan”, that sad cause he wasnt even there anymore.
We just shy away from that sparky Drew Brees, Ray Lewis, MJD, Clay Matthews kinda personality and when you go with all somber personalities you will get alot of flat games. Thats why i like Antrel and AB cause they have that im not gonna take it disposition and it rubs off but sometimes we need that animal in the locker room who is just not gonna have it and alot of our guys are just too cool so to speak.
There are no flat games with guys like Ray Lewis….. James Harrison…. and alot of others i see scattered thru the NFL, those guys are invaluable IMO.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I remember when Boss said Strahan.
And your “argument” makes complete sense.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Good stuff Gates.
I do not always like going to work but I make myself get up and go. This is their job as well. Yea they make nice money but routine is routine. I put 90% on the players and 10 on the coaches to motivate.
“This is why you lift all them weights!”
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 8, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Coaches are definetly in it too but once that ball snaps man you gotta make up your mind.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
just a quick anti Fewell comment if you will:
Fewell says he can’t play “man” b/c he don’t got the horses on D.
so….someone please answer me this: why does he still play MAN D? from what I can see it still makes up any where from 20-60% of his scheme depending on what week it is….or maybe depending on what mood Fewells’ in….idk….I can’t put my finger on it.
Fire Fewell
Trying to put your finger on Radio's buttons
will give you a brain on drugs feeling
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Radio's button is not as good as this one...
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm no PF fan but
he’s caught btwn rock and hard place. Yes, he doesnt have the horses to play man to man vs top receivers but he has to mix it up as well b/c of LB pass coverage problems in covering holes in the zone. So best scheme is to try to confuse the QB as to what scheme they’re in. Our hope is that pass rush can get to QB before he has passing lane.
DavebrownNOT
I disagree...
I think Fewell is between Man and Zone. he won’t commit to either scheme and his efforts to disrupt Offenses result in confusion amoung his own Defense.
Giants can really do anything well on Defense right now and instead of simplifying or dumbing down his play calls, he doesn’t.
In fact I aside from all the tinkering he’s doing w/ he Dline, the backend looks just like last year. Lots of Zone w/ some Man mixed in.
look i’m aware PF is a NFL DC and probably knows more about the game than i ever will….but if he won’t commit to Man, at least commit to the zone. Get back to teachign actual football….not just teaching guys Play calls and hand signals.
Fire Fewell
He is exactly what I don't want in a coordinator.
His philosophy is to rely on scheme. Other coordinators philosophy is to rely on the players strengths. That’s the kind of guy I want.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Not so simple
Think about it: Our pass defense is Kiwi who cant cover a receiver, Boley is ok, JWill who sometimes is ok and sometimes gets beat badly in middle of field, Ross who is either ok or awful, Webster who cant cover receiver with speed and our safeties who are also weak on pass defense. Need well-timed blitzes and find ways to make Romo uncomfortable. And on top of that, Dallas has top flight running game. I think we need to score +30 points to win. And we must hold them to 3 i/o allowing TD’s.
DavebrownNOT
when have you seen JWill beat badly?
b/c the kid’s speed allows him to cover better than some DBs on this team (looks at Grant)
Look at what JWILL do to Finley last week. it was boarderline incredible to see a LB doing that.
when I see JWIll get beat “bad”, it’s usually in Read and React Zone….and it’s usually when the QB has time to throw. the LBs can be better in coverage of course
but w/ this zone crap and looking at the QB constantly, the passing lanes chance dramatically when the QB has time. Before you know it, youre in perfect position to make a play or knock a pass down, but bing, QB holds the ball just .7 second longer and the passing lane that you think you’re defending just moved 5-10 yards to the right or left.
Fire Fewell
by andiamo708 on Dec 8, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Never simple, agreed.
But you have to start somewhere. Either you are a scheme guy, Perry Fewell, or you are an adapt your scheme to the players guy, see Bill Belichick.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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I hear you.
And I can’t seem to put my finger on it either…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Some good news..
at least KP says his knee isn’t sore or stiff, and he expects to play Sunday. Take that for what its worth I guess..
"I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious" - Eli Manning
by Giants Fly High on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions
KP is the man
Top 5 safety in the league this year, i havent seen a ball go over his head yet.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
If a ball went over KP's head
It would end up in the next county.
DavebrownNOT
LMAO HAHAHAHA
Not really cause he comes down and moves back up alot when staying in his disguise but i know what you mean they do put him in the parking lot.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yep
"I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious" - Eli Manning
by Giants Fly High on Dec 8, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not like KP was making that much of a difference anyway
To me this guy has been a huge disappointment
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about you
but I sure as hell feel more comfortable will KP back there than Grant.
"I'm not superstitious but i am a little stitious" - Eli Manning
by Giants Fly High on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
If Grant is back there Sunday nite
we lose
DavebrownNOT
Here is my issue with Grant, he isnt super slow nor is he as bad as we think
He makes himself look even worst cause he thinks he’s still 23, he thinks he can hold his disguise then break back deep on a ball, hell no, those days are over for him.
When playing deep, he should just stay deep, cause technically hes had the best hands out of our safeties in the last two years, he is still always in the right area but damn if he doesnt realize hes not as athletic as hes used to be and just stay in good position. SMH
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Bobbiblue, you out there?
You have been very quiet…
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions
Turks response to Ware
NotoriousOHM Ohm Youngmisuk
Tuck: “I don’t wear Wranglers, cowboy hats, boots or those buckle belts. And I don’t need a star on my helmet to tell me I’m pretty good.”
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 8, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions
Damn that was sweet, he put some thought into that
Niiiiiiice
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Nice job Tuck.
And LOL to… “those buckle belts.”
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