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New York Giants News and Notes: Ain't No Scrimmage Edition

EAST RUTHERFORD NJ - SEPTEMBER 12:  Chris Canty #99 of the New York Giants celebrates after sacking Matt Moore #3 of the Carolina Panthers during the NFL season opener at New Meadowlands Stadium on September 12 2010 in East Rutherford New Jersey.  (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

Good morning fellow Giants fans. Okay, we are about 60 hours away from kickoff, and I'm already chomping at the bit. Being a Giants fan is something that defines us, sometimes to the chagrin of our families. Sure, there are way more important things in life and we often have to keep that in perspective. But there is nothing wrong with being a passionate fan, and part of that is experiencing the highs and lows. We Giants fans know all about both ends of that spectrum, and Sunday night's game against Dallas is one of the biggest--maybe THE biggest--most of us have ever seen. It's the one-game playoff; the play-in game; the game that ain't no scrimmage, because it's for the NFC East crown.

Tom Coughlin was asked on Thursday to contrast Eli Manning (and his fourth quarter abilities) and Tony Romo:

Q: With Eli, what changes in the fourth quarter?

A: The execution. The consistency. His ability to make plays whether he's moving, whether he's had to do something to adjust, whether he's changed the protection, whether he's changed the pattern. Whatever he's done, he's done it having fully thought it out and reacted well to it and then just executed and made it happen.

Re: Tony Romo.

A: He's dangerous because he extends the play. You can't allow him to do that. When he does extend it, as he did a couple of times on us in Dallas, he makes big plays. He's probably not running as much as he once did, but he is running enough to get the ball down the field. He sees things very well. You just have to do something about trying to force him to step up in there rather than get to the outside. He can get to the outside to his left as well as to his right.

And defensive coordinator Perry Fewell was asked about preparing for the Dallas offense and making sure the Giants did not give up big plays this time:

"We plan on having a more cohesive product on Sunday night than we had the first time we played them. I think the Cowboys are a very talented football team. They can buy time because they can block, Romo can scramble and they can do a lot of things to hurt you and break down your coverages. I think that we're playing better than we've played and I think our guys feel a lot more confident in the things that we're doing."

And whether you love or don't love Brandon Jacobs, you have to love his passion:

"When I come into a game like this, I am thinking about what is at stake. I don't too much focus on the team that we are playing, I am thinking about what is at stake and we have to get it done. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it and they think the same. It is going to be a lot of people out there rooting us on and the stadium should be crazy. That is what we are hoping and that the fans are loud and on their feet and guys are out running around and hitting hard, playing football."

Let's see what news is floating around the Big Blue Web:

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Dallas Cowboys should no longer be referred to as 'America's Team' - NY Daily News
There needs to be an expiration date on the Cowboys being known as America’s Team. And it needs to be soon. How ’bout them Cowboys? Yeah, How about them? They have not been to the Super Bowl in nearly 16 years. It was their third title in four years when they beat the Steelers following the 1995 season, but they have won just two playoff games since – wild-card victories in 1996 and 2009.

I want to point out that I am not the source of this article, I'm just the messenger. And I thought you guys might find it interesting. And by "you guys" I don't mean Cowboys players.

Giants' Chris Canty hoping for a different fate than his last game with Dallas Cowboys | NJ.com
Chris Canty was telling Antrel Rolle he feels different this year. He’s fresh, he’s healthy and he’s ready to play a lot more football. That hasn’t always been the case for the Giants’ defensive tackle, particularly in his last game with the Dallas Cowboys, a 44-6 blowout loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in a 2008 Week 17 matchup to determine the final wild-card team.

The new biggest game of Tony Romo's life - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN
Doesn't matter how big a reason he is for the Cowboys' eight wins. All anybody ever seems to talk about with Romo is that he's the reason for two of the seven losses. And that he's still only won one playoff game. That December record. The botched field goal snap from five years ago. This is the stuff that sticks to Romo, for whatever reason, and that's why Sunday's game is the biggest of Romo's career to this point.

Politi: Giants' playoff future could rest on Justin Tuck as they face Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys | NJ.com
Decades? Eons? Forever and a day? Justin Tuck was trying to explain how long it feels like since the Giants last made the playoffs, and this is what he came up with before he realized he wasn’t exactly driving home his point: "It seems like years," he said. Of course, it is years — two years, 11 months and 19 days since the Giants last played in the postseason, to be exact. Or, since bigger numbers always create the illusion of more time, more than 93 million seconds. Maybe Tuck can save that number for next time, should the question come up again.

Emmitt Smith wonders if Dallas Cowboys are mentally tough - ESPN Dallas
Emmitt Smith still bleeds Cowboys silver and blue, but the NFL's all-time leading rusher is not sure his former team is mentally tough enough to go to MetLife Stadium on Sunday to beat the New York Giants in a game to decide the NFC East champion.

Giants hot topic: Does this season remind you of 2007? | NJ.com
Something that reminded me of the game here from '07 late in the year where inexplicably they didn't show up in a game they needed. Let's take a closer look at the similarities.

This, of course, is really jumping the gun, but it sure is interesting.

NFL Analysis: Bengals, Giants Dark Horse Candidates to Win Super Bowl

Neither the Bengals and Giants have season records that are nothing to write home about, but if they get into the tournament, a valid argument can be made that they can win their first round game, and after that, anything can happen. While making the Super Bowl is a tall order for either team, stranger things have happened and that is what makes the NFL great on any given Sunday....At 110 to 1 for the Bengals and 33 to 1 for the Giants, you just might strike gold placing a few widgets on these two teams before they play their Week 17 game.

One word in that paragraph says it all: "if," because it's Friday and the game is on Sunday, so no one knows how things will turn out, and anything can truly happen. But I know this--my game face is on right now, and I'll be ready from my Big Blue Recliner, ready to experience maybe the biggest regular season game I've personally ever seen. I hope you guys are ready, too, because this one is for all the marbles, and it's GO TIME.....

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i cant wait to get rowdy at Giants stadium New Years Day!!! The Stadium will be as loud as it has ever been and i promise to do every bit of my part to make that happen and give the home field advantage for real. LETS GO BLUE

by Slappinfaces on Dec 30, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Season ticket holders

Sounds like all those senior citizen season ticket holders are selling their tickets. Hopefully it is a loud youthful crowd Sunday night!

by BLUEYOU on Dec 30, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha!!

Those tickets are drawing 350-400 bucks !!..and they get to keep their asses warm to boot..This is a game that requires the loud wrath of youth all night…I hope we hear it..This is no time for a passive crowd..They need to blow their lungs out…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

No Wine!

Any wine drinkers and cavier eaters- GO TO Candlestick!

by BLUEYOU on Dec 30, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

When I was a teen my Dad brought me to an Army game with some of his friends...

Well this other guy shows up with a bottle of wine and some cheese and crackers in his picnic basket. My father just shook his head in disgust. Like oil and water, football and wine drinking do not go together!

by Matt V on Dec 30, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Only in SF

will you you have a guy with a Nikon Camera attached to a Canon strap, with a picnic basket filled with sushi and wine, while talking about what it is like to live in Australia with a thick german accent

With the stands jumping, in what is considered the craziest SF Giant seating (under the glove)… all the while, the SF Giants are about to win a game which put them in the playoffs, the year they went to the World Series…

Only in San Fran…. I miss the city, but the people not so much.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Dec 30, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ive got my

30 pack and my bottle of patron all ready to go….and caviar aint on my menu

by Slappinfaces on Dec 30, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

YES!

Now that is a menu!
Ive got shots of whiskey and a case to chase!

by BLUEYOU on Dec 30, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm having a party Saturday night so

I will have Cold Keg beer and i’m making a huge tray of Antipasto salad and lasagna.

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you sir!

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

SP you are not another Bud drinker are you?

Because Bud and Patron just dont mix. Where is Bobbiblue when I need him? lol.

"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14.

by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 30, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Heinekin Lights are my choice brew

but itll prolly be bud lights cuz im with wifey….Patron goes well with everything…im no amateur lol

by Slappinfaces on Dec 30, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Well that is better.

And the Lites you can drink alot of them, but you start depth chargin with Patron could be dangerous. LOL…

"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14.

by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 30, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Me neither...a case of Bud, a pile of hot wings and a good case of the farts..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

A case of Bud?

Oh man that is some headache keep chewin those aspirin.

"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14.

by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 30, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

That is f__kin awesume!

"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14.

by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 30, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He walks into a bar..

“Hi folks the high balls are on me”..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

nice

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Dec 30, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

what

does she do for an encore

by Slappinfaces on Dec 30, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you would have to pay money

just to know…

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Dec 30, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang I never saw a boob bottle opener before..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i read this entire article

i read the entire article from yesterday…. and i responded by saying the only thing that comes to my mind, once again…

its goin down like the Catalina Wine Mixer

by The Blood of Eli on Dec 30, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

Ha...

I wasn’t expecting that at all!

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha...

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

ha

gross

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

only sh*t

this is great.

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

damn, meant holy

sorry, a lil “under the weather” today

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

you misunderstood

"under the weather" for me = hung over.. and I plan on being in a similar state by the middle of the game, lol

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I got a wicked hangover today as well

Never fear I have a cooler full of cold beer looking at me as we speak.

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

You chug 2 or 3 real fast

No more hangover and a good buzz

"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14.

by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 30, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm on it!

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Good for you!

"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14.

by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 30, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Just drink a couple thru a straw..That'll fix ya right up..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't it!?

It made my day!

Does that make me a freak?

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

nope

just a man

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Sweet...

Now I can tell my wife to get grapes on the way home.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Geezuss..Hahahahahaha!!!!..Damn!!!!

You and that darn Uncle Fester are slowly killing me

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the game

You can’t help but feel a rush of momentum building. The defense has been showing signs of life since the GBay game. The game against the Jets was there first complete game they put together. I believe we will win because they have improved and the Cowboys just seem incapable of putting it all together. Can you imagine Coughlin coaching the game like the cowboys eagles game?? He wouldn’t let the players relax or allow them to feel like it doesnt mean anything. Every game means something, football is habitual. You are what you put on tape (Parcells, he was a pretty good coach). As a cowboy fan, if I was one, that would disturb me.

We will play our best I believe and that will be enough to make Jerry display his exasperated red face lol.

by brandon7 on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I usually shy away from reading the press conference material..

But this week I was compelled to due to two things..The different defense I watched and the declined offense I watched…I came away with a few thing things one they obviously simplified the defense, and it reaped rewards..Second I was somewhat surprised Coughlin thought Romo is more dangerous out of the pocket, the Romo I watch is horrible trying to throw the ball when he rolls out..We need to contain him to void the running threat, but I think a strong up the middle rush will screw him all up..and the third thing is the players responses..they are obviously psyched for this game..their answers were short and pointed..
Lastly, I already going nuts here waiting..It feels like I have to wait a year for this game to start.

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

I would take a fistfull of Ambien to knock myself out until Sunday night but...

the last time I did that I woke up in my car with all the food from my kitchen in the backseat. A few weeks later I got a red light ticket in the mail. I was shocked at the photo when I saw I was stark naked and it looked like I was eating a head of lettuce like it was an apple.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Post the photo!

and caption it with “No Chatspeak!”

I got a GIF for that!

by Fester McDougal on Dec 30, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

you crazy bastard you

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I saw that pic online

That was you?!

Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me

by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST

by AJ_in_VA on Dec 30, 2011 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm proud of the shot!

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Come on! that is too funny

"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14.

by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 30, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Will be desperately trying to tune in, 5:30 AM on Jan. 2nd from Russia...

My first new years wish is for a stable wireless connection to watch the game. Everything else seems of a lower order of importance at the moment.

by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

Better Dead then Red

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, tough inlaws...

Sending you to Siberia

I got a GIF for that!

by Fester McDougal on Dec 30, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Russia spans 11 time zones...

…too bad none of them are anywhere near 8:20 PM EST on January 1, 2012.

by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

HA!

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Are they communists?

by Landeta on Dec 30, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Gee, thanks PF..

For the more “cohesive product” you will bring Sunday. Translation = " I will try and not to suck as much as last time"

by Jimmy Orange on Dec 30, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

week 17

Amazing that its week 17 for the NFC East title and he is talking about cohesiveness?
Get out of here Perry! Go ask for an interview at Penn State!

by BLUEYOU on Dec 30, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

let me coach them

2 safeties over the top with deon grant ON THE BENCH, 4 man rush with Osi giving BOTH tuck and JPP a rest every other play, CWeb following the best receiver with our corners matched up man for man, Jacquain williams covering the halfback, michael boley covering the tight end, chase blackburn covering the fullback or 2nd TE. if those guys stay in to pass block you read the play and rush the QB as an extra blitzer…. when they come out in 3 WR sets we put Chase on the sidelines and bring prince in to cover the least dangerous guy. when they come out in 4 WR sets we bring deon grant in….. i would rather do this on every single play and let it play out however it does rather than try and get cute and see guys blowing assignmetns…. play a base defense and play with passion… the rest will fall in place

by The Blood of Eli on Dec 30, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

one change

J WILL did a great job on Witten last time.

by BLUEYOU on Dec 30, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

my only concern would be

is michael boley fast enough to cover felix?

by The Blood of Eli on Dec 30, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Great idea. I would like to see Perry in Happy Valley, although I am betting they want to get away from that little nickname ASAP

by Jimmy Orange on Dec 30, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Haha!!!

Chase him right into the goal post..haha

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I put this up over at BTB

See what trouble I stir up….

I got a GIF for that!

by Fester McDougal on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh mannnnnn

i prolly had them tamed with niceties but now they will come after you . lol

by BB1156 on Dec 30, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Your not only good, your brave!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

that's more like it

the man looks like one gigantic muscle….

i was watching interviews over at giants.com the other day….he makes Tuck and Jacobs look like kids.

he’s got more muscles in his neck than i have in my entire body.

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

This has GIF written all over it

keeping it classy though!

I got a GIF for that!

by Fester McDougal on Dec 30, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

He's more rock solid than the net result of a Viagra pill...a four hour boner for the Cowgirls

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We plan on having a more cohesive product on Sunday night than we had the first time we played them

Thanks Perry… that would be nice

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

employee of the month

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 30, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Quinn Fewell Gilbride

YIKES! that is not a great employee roster to choose from.

by BLUEYOU on Dec 30, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Bengals and Giants themes

Switchfoot – Dark Horses

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Me like this

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.

by costanza! on Dec 30, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

very good song

Might be pump up music for me come Sunday Night, that and a few six packs

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Why bother

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 30, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

the biggest game

That is a stretch -— not even close.

But a big game this year and every Dallas game s big

by GiantFaninColorado on Dec 30, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

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