'Friday Five' With Inside Football's Pat Traina
Good morning, New York Giants fans. Time for our weekly 'Friday Five' with the knowledgeable editor of Inside Football Pat Traina. Be sure to stop by Pat's site this morning for my answers to her excellent questions.
Ed: Obviously Mark Sanchez is not Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or even Tony Romo. The Giants were much better defensively last week, though, using what seemed like a simplified approach. What took so long for the Giants to make that adjustment?
Pat: In all honesty, I think a certain degree of desperation fueled the change. I got the sense that the players were not happy with the schemes and game plans that Fewell was running - there were very strong hints that players made that I think confirmed my theory. In some cases, you could just tell that some of the players were really biting their tongues as far as openly unloading on the game plans.
I think Fewell has gone back to playing to his players' strengths rather than trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I just hope that this thinking continues this weekend because as one defensive player told me, if you look at the games the Giants have lost, it's because the opponents played a very simple, yet effective defense.
When a team gets "too cute" with its schemes, it ultimately end up "outsmarting itself,"" and that's what I (along with the player with whom I had the conversation) think has happened at times this season.
Ed: Victor Cruz was named a Pro Bowl alternate. Other than Green Bay being 14-1 I can't find any justification for Greg Jennings being on the team and Cruz not making it. Agree or disagree?
Pat: Funny you should bring this up because I had this discussion with a couple of colleagues on Wednesday. We all came to the conclusion that while Cruz has had some pretty impressive numbers after the catch (513 of his 1358 yards have come after the catch according to ProFootballFocus.com), he doesn't always come up with the "tough" catches like Hakeem Nicks and, I suppose, Jennings.
The other thing is according to Pro Football Focus, Cruz has 11 drops this season, and Jennings has four. So if you consider PFF's stats as gospel, can you argue about the selection of Jennings over Cruz? I'd say no but at the same time, there's no question that Cruz has had a banner season.
Ed: The Giants' passing attack has not been nearly as efficient the last two weeks as it had been most of the season. How worrisome is that, and what do you see as the cause?
Pat: Mis-communications and drops. I wrote this for yesterday's SportsXchange column - how many times have we seen Eli Manning throw to one spot and the receiver be in a completely different spot? Usually that's on the receiver (and we can tell when that is the case as when it's on Manning, he immediately points at himself as if to say he was to blame.)
Another problem that really drives me nuts is when a receiver runs his route short of the first down marker. If you need eight yards, why are you running seven yards?
Lastly, let's look at the drops. I mentioned above that according to Pro Football Focus, Victor Cruz has had 11 drops this season which leads the Giants. Hakeem Nicks, who has eight drops for the year, has racked up half of those in the last two weeks, which is right around when the passing game went into its slump. But let's look at the last two weeks specifically and at what all of the receivers have done.
All together over the last two weeks, the Giants have dropped nine passes. That's a high number of passes and a big part of the problem.
Now what's behind the drops is another story - in Cruz's case, he has admitted to sometimes taking his eye off the ball for a split second and I suspect a few other guys might have been guilty of that as well. How do they fix it? Easy. Look the ball in and then worry about where you're going to run. If you run your route past the first down marker, that, to me should be the first thing to worry about. Then look the ball into your hands to gain possession. THEN worry about yards after the catch.
Ed: Jacquian Williams has played way more than anyone anticipated this season. He has had good and bad moments. Do you see him as a guy who can become that impact type linebacker the Giants have been in need of for a while now?
Pat: Honestly, I think the jury's still out. As you said, he's had his good moments and his bad moments, and he should be applauded for having as many good moments as he has considering he didn't come from a football rich background and that he didn't have an off-season to work with. I see enough athleticism and speed in this kid that makes me think he'll be in line for an increased role, but to say he's going to become an impact player right now is, I think, a premature statement.
Ed: I keep getting asked this question, so I will ask you. Is Tom Coughlin coaching for his job Sunday night?
Pat: No. I know that's probably going to upset a lot of people, but here's why I say he isn't coaching for his job. Coughlin, like the other 31 NFL head coaches was not able to put his team through an off-season program. Even field there. However, look at all the injuries he's had to deal with and then look at the fact that here it is, the final regular season game of the year, and he has his team in the hunt for a playoff berth. Now I know some might say, "So what? The Packers did that last year."
But here's the biggest difference, other than the fact that again, there was no off-season. Coughlin has played perhaps more rookies this year than in all of his years as a head coach of this team, and he's still managed to get them to this point. I think there's a lot to be said about the job he and his assistant coaches have done given the cards they were dealt.
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you have to remember KP21
He’s more aware of the deep ball than our other safties so that can work in our favor..
by omfGIANTS on Dec 30, 2011 7:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah it's like ppl forget he missed that first game
He’s always done well against this team I think he has a great game. It’s a little less taxing on other guys knowing that they hav him back there as well as the other safety playing next to him
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"outsmarting itself" is a great way to describe the "read and react" and most "zone" approaches to D schemes ...
DC’s that fall in love with how it looks on paper drive me crazy (PF). Just release that front four (hopefully healthy), blitz a little (or at least disguise it some by not having the LB’s all line up 5 yards behind the line) and not have the DB’s all play a soft cushion.
How hard is that? Run all the “schemes” you want off of that basic approach and we should be fine.
Yeah sir I wanna see high quality cover 2 and man coverage
Maybe a lil cover 3 if rolle and webbie can get it right lol
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well said...
“Coughlin has played perhaps more rookies this year than in all of his years as a head coach of this team, and he’s still managed to get them to this point. I think there’s a lot to be said about the job he and his assistant coaches have done given the cards they were dealt:” Could have been better but let’s look around the league. Few teams I would trade coaches with, and those coaches are staying put.
Miscommunication and drops???
Something tells me old man winter and good defenses night have something more to do with it than a few drops or missed route. Eli is always looking for that damn fade with ham and I think the foreskins were hip to it, which is why he tried to cut the route short. Just my opinion. No intention to start a huge debate with that one
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 8:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
People that were at the WAS game
Said that when the Giants were in the red zone, the WAS defenders would immediately run to the back corner of the end zone and wait for the fade. I think we’re a bit too predictable on offense, yes?
Ham is too short for a fade
I would only try it with Barden or Nicks. Better yet, shelve it for a while, everyone expects it.
by scarlet knight on Dec 30, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
If Gilbride was capable of making an adjustment during the game,
he would’ve sent Barden and Nicks to opposite corners and the whole middle would’ve been wide open.
All teams are doing that..That's when teams need to have a receiver run a middle route..
I see more scores like that then I do on fades this year..When they drift back to defend a fade, the middle opens up..but you have to have a guy there..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Trade off
I understand what Pat is saying with Cruz not looking the ball into his hands enough, but the trade off is that without "peeking"to see where the defenders are sometimes, the big plays happen less often. For instance, there’s no way Victor Cruz knows to make that hard cut that split the two defenders last week and got him the 99-yard TD if he didn’t peek a little because as soon as he got both hands on the ball, he slammed that right foot down and cut.
Also, I disagree with Pat’s assessment about Cruz not coming up with the “tough” catches. I think he comes up with more of those than Nicks does (remember the juggling, leaping catch between two defenders earlier this year?) Most of his drops have been on the “easy” catches because he seems to get too excited about getting the extra yards when no defenders are in his grill.
He actually makes the tough catches
It’s the easy ones he seems to lose focus on.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
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by wilddre22 on Dec 30, 2011 8:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't know if the 99-yard TD involved any peeking. Cromartie was out of Cruz's viewpoint. I think that was more of a split-second decision.
I agree about the tough catches, as Cruz usually makes those and drops the easy ones. Nicks’ drops are a mixture of both.
Peeking can kill a playCruz is young and evolving even though he already wreaking havoc..
By next year he’ll have learned how to read the coverage scheme and know what he’s going to do when he catches the ball..He does seem a little antsy with some of the clutch passes, but hey the kid is having one hell of a year..The optimal situation is not getting in do or die scenarios..You aren’t going to get every on of those..and I agree with her on running routes short of the first down marker..that drives me nuts..You might as well just punt..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Not sure
NIcks catches vs Buff, Seattle, and the TD vs SF and the TD vs GB were throughs squeezed into coverage, while I agree with you Cruz has caught a few circus ones Nicks catches the ones that are either going to be incomplete or a very good catch and more times than not they’re very good catches. Eli can “overthrow” Nicks to avoid a pick and still have confidence he can pull it in.
the game winner in ARI
was a great catch too. One of those “overthrows” that Nicks can always get too
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
giants shoulda locked cruz up earlier in the year
now hes gonna want big bucks
by The Blood of Eli on Dec 30, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions
Cruz is had a great season
Let’s see him do it again befoe we committ major dollars to him. Besides, he is going to get a huge bump in his salary at the end of the year, from the amount of downs he has played.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Again shining the light on the receivers...
with regard to dropped passes. Never mind the quality of the throws. Were dropped passes an issue in our losses? Yes. But what about turnovers? What about stupid penalties? What about counter productive play calling? Why even have a pro bowl if you are not going to select the best players. What a joke.
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 30, 2011 8:31 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I forgot to mention this about JPP
IVe heard that with Osi’s bum Ass practicing, they’re thinking about letting JPP come off the bench to allow him “more test and less snaps to be more effective”. If he doesnt start after what he did to that team last yr and what he’s been doin he entire yr (Idc win or lose) I’m going to freaking flip the F out! Idc what kind of ego Osi has or what kind of loyalty TC has to vets, he and Osi could happily hold each others hands skipping out of MetLife FOREVER! If JPP doesn’t start I’m going to go nuts
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 8:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Smh Corrections
“allow more rest” and “last game” when referencing what JPP did to them last game
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 8:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah RIGHT
Get off Osi’s case, he said yesterday he doesnt want to start because JPP has been playing at too high a level to remove him.
And FYI…. there probably isnt a Giant who practices harder than Osi when he is out there, the misconceptions of this guy are ridiculous.
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yup
I may not like how he conducted his business but it was HIS BUSINESS
I am not aware of the convos he allegedly had with JR and therefore, the actions while not palatable, are his to make
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Exactly
The only issue ever was between him and JR and thats it.
Teammates and coaches love him but the fans start to say nonsense because now we have JPP. I love JPP but in no way will the rise of Pierre-Paul make me start to pretend like Osi isnt a very valuable member of this team and D-Line.
People talk like he doesnt wear the same jersey as JPP, as if they are not in it for the same cause. Its not one or the other, they both can play and help us get to our ultimate goal. If we can get Osi up and running along with JPP’s current excellence and the revival of Tuck, we would be unstoppable.
Thats what im rooting for.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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I agree 100%..I don't get the Osi bashing at all...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Without Osi, the Giants are no where close to 10-6 last year. The guy had a ton of forced fumbles. Even this season when healthy he is a top of the league DE. All the Osi haters would have a hard time finding more then a handful of guys that are better then him.
The Giants will not win another Super Bowl with Reese as GM. He will waste what is left of Manning's career.
Yeah but Osi
has a way of disappearing on the field for large portions of a game. He’s a speed rusher, so we should only play him on obvious passing downs and take out Linval and replace him with Tuck.
DavebrownNOT
Never said Osi wasn't good! Yeah I called him a bum but hats all in good fun
Hes a pass rush specialist now. He can still play the run good I never said he was deplorable. But right now with JPPs emergence he is a more complete player right now, he’s healthier, and has proven over the course of the season that he deserves all the play time he could get
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get all the anti Osi start talk.
How will Osi starting change the complexion of the game? JPP has shown his effective in just about every game that he has played so I don’t think that JPP coming off the bench is going to hinder his game however giving a large number of snaps will. the guy has said so himself, he needs rest.
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 30, 2011 8:43 AM EST via Android app reply actions
* and just about every position that he has played in.
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 30, 2011 8:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
because JPP is better and he earned it.
Osi is more of a liability in run defense as well IMO. Coming off injury, Osi should be strictly used as a pass rushing specialist.
So if the Cowboys pass on the...
1, 2, & 3 play of the game then you Osi should be in?
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 30, 2011 8:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He was only a liability for one year
He had one horrible year against the run and there was a valid reason.
Stop saying he’s bad agaianst the run, the proof really isnt there when you put the tape on.
Is JPP better?? yes but Osi is not a liability against the run.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
How did he play this year against the run? Not well. He is a liability. When we have had strong run defenses, it was in spite of Osi.
He’s great at the passing rushing aspect of playing DE, don’t get me wrong, but he sells out for that end at the expense of run D.
LOL...do you have any idea how many games he's played and what our run game ranking is??
See what i mean about being misdirected. How do you just mention him?
We have been horrible against the run but you single Osi out as the liability when they all have been awful for the most part against it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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Yes I do actually. And where did I single out Osi as the sole responsibility for the lack of run defense?
Oh wait I never did. We have other players that stink against the run. Doesn’t make Osi not a liability.
This is silly
JPP is a better all around DE than Osi, the whole run defender thing isn’t the issue
That’s why JPP should be out there on first down. And Osi’s talents will only be magnified on longer down and distance plays. Look at what this did for John Abraham.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
"WE" stink against the run
Even mentioning Osi as a liability doesnt really equate cause run defense is a collective unit thing, our run defense was a liability period, thats all i was saying.
You also said, “when we have had strong run defenses, it was in spite of Osi”…really? i cant agree with that statment at all but its your opinion.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Why doesn't it equate? Players can't be evaluated individually in addition to being evaluated as a unit?
I thought you were the one talking about watching the tape? But now one player is immune to individual evaluation. OK.
Sure they can
But you are mentioning a guy who played in how many games?? and why you brought up his run defense is beyond me cause he hasnt been playing it poorly at all.
Yes if you watch the tape you wouldnt call him a liability, thats my point but when you evaluate collectively as a unit, there is a problem.
My whole thing was please stop putting JPP vs Osi, they play on the same team and Osi said he doesnt deserve to start over JPP so whats the fuss about?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
He's played in 8 games, not counting the Saints game since he got hurt
Thats a pretty significant amount of games no? I guess we agree to disagree but I don’t think anyone would ever call Osi a good run defender.
My whole thing was that I was responding to LoNJD’s post that said starting Osi over JPP isn’t a big deal, and I think it is.
Does not mean Osi IS a liability either.
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 30, 2011 10:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
So you are saying Osi is the only player responsible for stopping the run?
What is the cornerback’s and libebackers job during a run? what is the defensive tackles job during the run?
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 30, 2011 10:22 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Lol read my post above
i never once said osi is the SOLE reason our run defense sucks. i said he’s a liability against the run. and like i said in my post above, this is just a deflection away from osi. since when is a player immune to individual evaluation because the whole unit sucks…laughable
Dude Osi has missed for weeks
He doesn’t play the run AS strong as we’ve seen JPP playing it. And Osi has one move: run by he tackle try to knock the ball out. JPP used multiple moves against a pretty good tackle in Doug free and last week against an all-pro in D’Brick Ferguson last week: Bull rush, inside swim and speed rush. Those little fancy runs they tried last game (the reverses, pulls) after recognizing them from early on he shut them down. He better start and come off he field rarely. You don’t let your best player come off the bench. He’s not Manu Ginobli And this ain’t basketball
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree on all counts
osi has no business getting playing time over JPP
by The Blood of Eli on Dec 30, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
+1
JPP clearly, at least the past 2 games, has gotten “hot” later in the game. So why would you cut down his reps?
osi
Isn’t gonna start ! But a bum he is not ,7 sacks 2 caused fumbles in 8 games…and he was playing the run well ! Osi next to JPP is a nightmare for an oline to block who do u dbl/chip ? I see 25 snaps for Osi as he himself said"JPP shld start"
kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk
by Mr.Williams on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What does the opposing offense think about Osi playing over JPP?
Pretty sure they’d be happy about that. You don’t take your best player off the field to get a guy in the game. I know Osi’s an excellent pass rusher, but it’s now debatable if he’s better at that than JPP is and JPP can play well every down. In obvious passing situations by all means send Osi in before guys like Tolly or Trattou, but you don’t take your best player out for him.
"pretty sure they would be happy about that."
What makes you so sure?
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 30, 2011 10:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
What makes me so sure?
Two ‘Defensive Player of the Week’ awards in the last three weeks is pretty much all the proof I’d need.
JPP deserves to start. Osi recognized that.
Let’s be happy that we have one more DL to add to the mix. Dallas has plenty to worry about with their reworked OL. One more thing for them to think about.
Listening to Dallas players yesterday, they seemed very subdued. We should not take that to mean they will not play at a high level.
Pundits are on the Giants bandwagon. That is also not good. We must keep them subdued early in the game and keep them there!!
Yeah I'm a little worried with most of these analyst picking us
We need to not listen to that nonsense and go play the game like its our last bc it very well can be. I hope the D comes to play lights out no Merriman! Like kiwi said I wouldn’t mind if they pitched a shut out or some’em close to it. Especially bein in the cold. If the cardinals and dolphins can hold them to less than 2O in good weather we should be able to do the same
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 30, 2011 8:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah we have a puss poor record as favorites
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
by AJ_in_VA on Dec 30, 2011 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+10000
EVERYONE is on the Giants including Emmit Smith . . .. I mean Dallas played an exibition game last week who cares how they looked.
The other idiotic thing is how people are giving us the advantage because we’re at home . . .. WTF. . . we suck at home, can’t run the ball or play good D. How is playing in the cold meadowlands any advantage for us?
thank you Pat!
That first answer was great. I’d like to know who the player was! Grant?
Finally we get some honesty and criticism for the coaches
Fire Fewell
by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2011 9:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'll tell you this, andi...
We all know the scheme was the problem and if that is proven again this weekend then it will piss me off even more. It is unacceptable for a team to be 8-7 and fighting for their playoff lives because a coordinator refused to play to the strength of his guys. Shouldn’t fans be questioning his ability to run a defense when it is starting to look like he was ignoring the obvious all year?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Shouldn't the HC be questioning his ability?
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
And that is the bottom-line really...good point.
It seems like these guys refuse to acknowledge the obvious. It makes it worse when you think about the foundation for the run to the Super Bowl was a dramatic change in coaching style. Why do they fight it now?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
The HC insists on the scheme
Thats so obvious it’s painful
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Disagree.
I don;t think Clawfin is demanding a scheme and completely overlooking the strengths of his players.
I think Fuel is selling him a bunch of goods and Clawfin is delegating the Defense the the DC the way he should.
Now, once the players started to say ‘dude, this shit ain’t working’ it became a changed scheme.
I will put our athletes against any offense in the NFL. I think we can do well, or at least better than we have.
the scheme confused some of these guys and they appear to have given it the full shot.
Lets simplify and attack.
Clawfin probably is supporting anything the Fuel says but also listening to the issues and addressing them as possible.
I think the line had run out on the scheme changes and with all the whispers, Clawfin AND Fuel decided to go a different direction.
It should not have taken so long but……
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
If you don't think it's Clawfin then why
First hire Tim Lewis – read and react zone – cut Peterson and Will Allen who leave and play press effectively elsewhere
2nd hire at brink of dismissal – aggressive pressure scheme, huge defensive improvement
3rd hire – goodbye pressure, hello Tim Lewis part 2
4th hire – zone defense number 3
75% of his hires use the same scheme (more or less) the one that didn’t was when he was up against the wall. That says to me that when TC interviews he wants to hear certain things, “avoid the big play”, “MLB needs to be able to get deep drops in covg”, blah blah blah. It’s the only way I see us ending up with 3 so similar guys.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Identifying the player would be career suicide
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
It sure would be...that's taboo...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
This makes it two in a row as far as this Friday Five with Pat goes..
That was interesting to read…I don’t know what happened but I’m liking it…As far as the dropsies go, you can tell that for some odd reason our receivers are running to the wrong spots..The reason I find this odd is because we didn’t just start the season two weeks ago..One would think they’d have been at their peak at this point as far as communication goes..
The defense?…Yeah they scrapped the complex horse manure and let them play football for once..doesn’t surprise me at all that that has produced dividends for them…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
so pat...
Are the giants making the playoffs
Fire Fewell
by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2011 9:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
"Well, it's really hard to say at this point in the season."
“Ask me again next week and I may have a better idea.”
Recd
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Osi / JPP
I am not worried who starts. Osi will not be on the field for that many plays, just want him to be effective when out there.
As for Cruz, I do think the 11 drops is applicable. He has had a monster year with some big RAC’s, and has been a savior of sorts for Eli.
And Eli trusts him
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I didn't read the second line
so I thought you were trying to be funny by saying that Eli trusts Osi.
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He certainly has become Elis go to guy..Which is another tribute to the season he is having..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
You know
I also think that Eli is having such a great year as well as he has learned to not have one go to guy, but trust that all his receivers will make a play.
He does not zero in on one guy now and that allows him to spread the rock.
Not sure if it is because we are so loaded at receiver or he has just gone to the next level.
Like it either way.
If the INTS were just down, he would be better than Rodgers
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Is Ballard playing?
He’s the single biggest reason the offense hasn’t been as good the last two weeks. He’s been the go-to guy all year when the WRs have been covered. Surprised Pat forgot about him already.
Nope, 99% out
He still has not been doing anything in practice. I would be surpised if he is available for first playoff game. Sucks, we need him bad, slides under the coverage and gives Eli options.
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 30, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
somewhat agree
He is a big part in moving the ball. But the offense was looking like crap even with Ballard in during the WAS game, he got hurt in the 3rd quarter I think.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 30, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Our team just got out-coached in that one..
The Skins picked that complex pile of Fewell manure apart..That Shanahan is no dope..He knew how to attack that…He was probably Creaming his Farina all week..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Not the only game
Watching the differences in the D schemes last night on the replay of the Cowgirl game, I’d take a Ryan style D every time. This “4 guys up front and everyone else get in the next area code” D drives me crazy. So the question is, was it a lack of respect for Sanchez, or a lightbulb that went on over Raodio’s head last week. We’ll find out Sunday night.
Go Giants!
It played into Grossmans strengths
When he’s comfy back there he makes far better decisions and avoids the INTs. It’s what has happened with just about every crummy QB. My interpretation, TC/PF are such strong believers in the zone theory that they flood em against weak QBs and want to let them turn it over. Problem, in today’s NFL with no offensive holding and no way to impede WRs most QBs can hit the open guy. Best counter action is to hit them and speed up that old internal clock. It’s what we did to Brady, Sanchez and others in our wins.
I’ve got no clue why it gets abandoned, except for that old human bugaboo, stubborness. It could be TCs equivalent to Andy Reid refusing to go running game and ball control this year.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
It would be foolish of us to
believe that ANY person associated with the NFL in the positions they are do not have HUGE EGOS.
No one is exempt from it.
Clawfin, Fuel, players of course, etc.
Takes a BIG man to admit he was wrong and go with someone else’s BIG EGO idea
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Just my perspective
the thing to remember is that football is the ultimate TEAM game. this team has shown the ability to have guys step up when one might be having a rough game..
with that being said, Osi playing in this game in any capacity, changes the complexion of this team. JPP is having one hell of a season no doubt, but with fewer snaps due to Osi’s return, how much more effective will he be? same goes for Tuck. Who is starting really doesn’t belong in the conversation in a winner take all game.
1) I think Osi coming back this week speaks volumes about his character. he knows what this game means and he IS showing that he is a leader. the whole team notices when a player plays sooner than expected… they sure as hell noticed Tuck last week!!
2) you WILL see his presence in this game!! he may not have the numbers. but someone will, because of the dimension that Osi brings to the field.
Osi being on the field changes how the Cowboys will attack that defense. add to that, the fact that KP and Boley will be playing in this game, Tuck seemingly feeling better and the fact that Dallas’s running game being a big question mark due to injuries.. and who really knows how Romo’s hand is?
This game is setting up to our strengths!
lack of a running game for Dallas means they are going to need to force some pass plays. KP and Boley should equal better coverage, especially if PF plays the DB’s to their strengths. Theoretically, the DL/Pass rush should have more time to win their individual match-ups. Throw in some extra pass rushers and some one is going to be running free. this all equates to Romo under pressure, and we all know how that usually turns out.
Now how does this effect the Offense? well as long as MM and HN are on the field with Cruz. some one will have to be double covered. and the Dallas secondary has not really shown that they can cover any one. Plus, we have been running the ball pretty well for the last few weeks. BALANCE on Offense should open up Dallas’s defense. They (Dallas Defense) can not afford to give this game to Romo’s Right arm!!
BIG plays should be there!!!
I like this weeks match-up. I think Dallas knows that if this game turns into a shoot out, they have some big problems. they cant afford to allow the Giants the ability to pin their ears back and rush the passer. Romo cant afford to take many hits this week with a questionable hand… well for that matter, they cant afford to let him throw the ball as much as they will need to either.
Key to this game for me… Keep Eli Clean!! Catch the ball!! score Early!!! AND make them Honor the run…. even if it is not working.
This should be our game to loose.. Individual match-ups favor us.. as long as the coordinators do not over-think this thing (which i feel has been the biggest problem all year) we should be Playing Detroit next week at Giants stadium!!!!
Well there's three minutes of my life I'll never get back
Seriously though, great break down.
Three WR and one back sets would be nightmares for the Girls
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
yeah i did it again
hahaha, some day i will make a post that is of appropriate length. I certainly get a little wordy. Guess its the Intel analyst in me?
here is an interesting link from ESPN i thought i would share.. kind of touches on some of the things i mentioned.
Good perspective.
The kink I will throw into the belief that iw could be a shootout is the health of our WR’s. That is a wildcard to the whole equation that will affect both our offense and defense.
What I would like to see with Osi is that he spells JPP when necessary on the right side, but at times have Osi on the right and JPP take Tuck’s place on the left when he needs a blow.
I really hope Tuck didn’t shoot his load last week and looks hurt and weak this game. He means so much to our D. Also, I hope Osi is 100% and shows no signs of rust.
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