Examining Reese As a Talent Evaluator

by Max Schwager on Dec 23, 2011 12:02 AM EST

A simple measure is who Reese has drafted versus who was available. I have noticed that certain discussions about BPA tend to present flawed arguments, in that they compare Reese's BPA picks to what was available for "need". If he drafts BPA, then let's see who truly was the BPA.

2007:

(20) Aaron Ross (bust)

(21) Reggie Nelson (starting FS for CIN)

(23) Dwayne Bowe (impact WR)

(25) Jon Beason (starting MLB)

(27) Robert Meachem (NO)

(31) Greg Olsen (starting TE)

(32) Anthony Gonzalez (WR)

(33) Paul Posluszny (starting MLB)

(44) Sidney Rice (WR)

(46) LeMarr Woodley

(51) Steve Smith (decent possession WR, but success delivered by Eli Manning. I'll give him credit when he has it elsewhere)

(73) Jacoby Jones (WR)

(77) James Jones (WR)

(81) Jay Alford (no complaints here)

(100) Michael Bush (RB)

(116) Zack DeOssie

(136) Clint Session

(137) Le'Ron McClain

I'm not going to nitpick the lower rounds. It gets too tedious. But a clear miss in the first round. Other than that, Reese did well enough in rounds 2 and 3.

2008:

(31) Kenny Phillips (not calling him a bust, just there's plenty of talent beneath him)

(33) Donnie Avery (WR)

(35) Brandon Flowers (CB)

(36) Jordy Nelson (WR)

(42) Eddie Royal (WR)

(44) Matt Forte (RB)

(63) Terrell Thomas (don't have a problem with this pick)

(91) Jermichael Finley

(95) Mario Manningham (loved this pick at the time, still do)

(123) Bryan Kehl (miss but not many hits around there)

(139) Ryan Torain (RB)

(149) Tim Hightower (RB)

2009:

(29) Hakeem Nicks (!!)

(60) William Beatty

(85) Ramses Barden

(92) Jerraud Powers (CB)

(100) Travis Beckum (bust)

(129) Andre Brown (bust)

2010:

(15) Jason Pierre-Paul

(46) Linval Joseph

(76) Chad Jones (Not much to say here. I think without injury, we'd be talking a lot about how good Mr. Jones is)

(113) Aaron Hernandez (TE)

(115) Philip Dillard (bust, but not much else available)

I'm not going to talk about 2011 all too much. I think it was a quality draft, but it's hard to say one way or the other without even a full season behind these guys.

Reese doesn't get a free pass from me. His draft record is decent, if not good. Still, in 2007 and 2008 he missed in the first round. Hard to say otherwise, given some of the impact players drafted behind Ross and Phillips. Do those one or two key players that could have been drafted make or break this team? That's hard to say, but I certainly think he missed if we're talking pure talent.

Reese shouldn't be fired, but I think he ought to be accountable. The GM is responsible for building a complete team. Addressing certain problems is vital. Cutting 2/5 of your starting OL and not replacing them or adding depth is a bit ridiculous. David Baas has been terrible. How's that for an evaluation? Jerry has also enjoyed the fact that Eli Manning makes a shit offensive line look halfway decent at times because he extends plays and gets the ball out quickly.

But there's a salary cap? We can't sign whoever we want? Oh, that's right, because we shelled out a bank-breaking contract to Antrel Rolle, who's been phenomenal since putting on the blue uniform.

The linebacking situation has been dreadful. Yes, you are going to have weaknesses, but the fact that we have needed to start Mathias Kiwanuka at LB since day one pisses me off. Our secondary, for that matter, is shit. Corey Webster is all fine and good, but the others haven't shown a whole lot. Terrell Thomas may have been poised for a breakout season, but it wasn't as if he was something special last season, so I guess we'll never know.

We have guys that consistently miss assignments and play with zero intensity. I don't care what can be said about PF's scheme, but when a guy doesn't know his man and he has a multi-million dollar contract, I'd say that it's on him.

Should Reese be fired? No. But the situation that's unfolded in front of us is partially on him. He's had some great drafts and some great picks, but there's more to it than that. JPP can't go out there alone, as we're finding out.

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Reggin Nelson was a bust before this year

and Aaron Ross was excellent in 2007. Injuries and Perry Fewell derailed his career and now he sucks, but when he was drafted…no, not a bust and a good pick then.

So if Reggie Nelson is gonna be counted as a success, then so must Ross.

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by Rorschach44 on Dec 23, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions

Ross

Also I never believed Ross had his heart fully in the game. He wanted to leave football a couple years ago.

by BLUEYOU on Dec 23, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions

I think you may be right..

I think he falls into a gray zone between bust and success. Injuries definitely held back his development and his heart may not be there, but he did have some bright spots.

Looking back at his picks, A LOT of them got hurt. I think all of them have had significant injuries over the course of their careers, maybe except DeOssie. Man have we been unlucky in the injury department. I guess a knock on JR is drafting some really fragile dudes.

by CCE718 on Dec 23, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions

Aaron Ross

Played well in for a rookie in 2007. I wouldn’t use the word excellent. Also, consider that he enjoyed playing in a secondary that got a ton of help from an incredible pass rush. Consider that Spagnuolo had the freedom to move Justin Tuck around knowing that Strahan would consistently draw the double team. It’s never been the same since.

“Bust” is a relative term too. I think people put too much stock into the word “bust”. To clarify, I use it as a player who has not lived up to the expectations. The times Ross has played man coverage this season, he’s been completely destroyed, so for a first round pick, I’d call him a bust.

Also, the names listed as being drafted later than Reese’s picks are just to give an indication of who else was there. Anybody listed can be argued to have been better picks (some more than others), so if we’re talking BPA, I’m simply throwing names out there

by Max Schwager on Dec 23, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions

Actually the pass rush was as good or better for part of 2008

But then injuries and circumstance hit

1) Robbins – we had Stray doing his thing for years, but Fast Feet Freddie made that pass rush go, he was good enough that you couldn’t just use the C however you wanted. We drafted Austin hoping to find this again. His knee collapse was critical. And replacing a guy like that ain’t easy, everyone is looking for them.

2) Plax and the offense – when Plax went down our offense was averaging about 30 per game, and they put up a ton of points early. This let guys like Osi and Kiwi just QB hunt. Think Mathis and Freeney. As good as our offense has been, it hasn’t been efficient. They don’t go out and hang 28 in the first half and let the D chase QBs.

3) SCHEME – since 08 we’ve been quagmired in one of the most passive defenses I’ve ever seen the Giants play. Ask any of the other older guys round here how Dan Reeves passive schemes worked out. And that was when you could beat the crap out of WRs. Why they insist on trying to fix half the defensive personnel to fit a scheme, rather than adjust the scheme is beyond me. I attribute it to stubborness.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 24, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions

Also I don't hink you can say Andre Brown is a bust

His career took some turns after he tore his achillies before he ever played a down, and he is back on the practice squad, he could still do some damage.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 23, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions

It's a stretch

Considering he’s got three guys ahead of him.

by Max Schwager on Dec 23, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions

garbage

any GM who picked anyone in 6 rounds before Tom Brady is garbage.

nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 23, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions

this is one sided

i would assume if u took any gm from any team and made a post like this it would look the same or most likely even worse lol. i would like to see other top teams GMs hit rarios and who was drafted in that draft as a comparasin. If u are comparing the 6 or 7 picks reese made to the whole draft after him of course theres gonna be players that came out of later picks from EVERY TEAM. ur essentially comparing the 7 picks reese got to the 160 picks that were behind his first one lol. not to mention many people on that list were prob not a need for the giants lol.

expecting a gm to hit on every pick is just ridiculous, i would say a good Gm will hopefully hit on 1 player every draft im talking a top 15 guy at his position, and have 2-3 real contributers from that draft also is a good draft. which from recsent years reese has done this.

by jstrong13 on Dec 23, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions

this.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 23, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions

In response

“He’s had some great drafts and some great picks”

I don’t really have much to say about Reese’s drafting. My argument is simply a response to the ones that assert that every single pick Reese has made (along with every FA signing) has panned out exceptionally, and if his philosophy is BPA, there’s been some great players we missed out on. I’m not talking about need picks. Simply BPA.

Again, I’m not suggesting that Reese doesn’t draft well. But people defend him as if he has not made any error along the way. He has done a good job, but the areas of weakness on this team are critical ones, and offensively, he’s gotten a lot of help from Eli Manning (in covering up just how bad the Oline is). Making Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in the league bothered me. He’s good, but he’s not even top five.

Reese isn’t a bad GM. But he has some responsibility as to who is out there. I apologize to any of those who cannot admit that he may not be the greatest thing since sliced bread. There are other GMs who draft well too. We’re 7-7. He’s had a hand in that.

by Max Schwager on Dec 23, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions

This is disingenuous

I’m a huge JR supporter and I’ve hardly claimed all his moves are exceptional

But I take a much different view on how a GM works. His job is to accumulate talented players, you can’t expect that they will get the best player available at any given point in the draft. What you hope for is that they don’t make obvious blunders, high risk moves.

Remember Tim Carter, Ernie was desperate for a deep threat to comment Amani, so he grabs a track star with virtually no college productivity but a great highlight reel. If Carter panned out, EA would rightly have gotten huge accolades. But Carter might have been the worst player selected in that round, that’s wasting a pick.

While we may or may not like any of JRs picks, you never say huh he just drafted a guy that probably is there 2 rounds later. The only time you draft those guys are in rounds 6 and 7, because the hit ratio out there is so low that you grab a guy (like Bradshaw that you don’t want to have to lure as an UDFA)

Now this process isnt glamorous, and it doesn’t guarantee filling holes, but what happens and is that you keep strengthening the roster. Only rarely does a team pursue a player or two and strike gold that turns them into a contender. Remember GB went BPA when they took Rodgers, not chasing a need was their key play.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 24, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions

It's funny

Because I’m not really attacking Reese’s draft philosophy or draft record at all. I’m just pointing out from a BPA standpoint that numerous players went behind Ross and Phillips that could have been argued to be BPA. We’re talking rounds one and two there. Not several rounds later.

Even still, I give Reese plenty of credit for his draft record to date. My point is that the areas of concern not addressed through other means (free agency) is his problem. And no, he doesn’t have unlimited money to spend, but I can and will be critical of the way he has spent money on certain free agent signings.

by Max Schwager on Dec 25, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions

This disingenuous was about some claiming JR can do no wrong

Im sure some have said that, but regulars not so much

Lots of people point to FA as a JR weakness. To me the odds of success in FA are slim. So the criticism should be equally slight.

And he doesn’t draft strict BPA, it’s obvious just looking at our draft boards. That’s an oversimplification. You tell me, if we hadn’t just signed AP to a big FA extension, would we have drafted Beason or Ross? I don’t know, but I do know Beason was rated a good bit higher. But who drafts a guy at 20 to not see the field. You can rotate DEs, not so much MLBs.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 25, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions

Beason was originally an OLB

He moved to MLB, so I don’t see how having AP negates the ability to drat Beason. Reese appears to have posiitonal priorities. Beason was the better player than Ross, but Ross was a CB and Beason a LB. In the early rounds Reese is going to go DB over LB as his record has shown.

by bigblue777 on Dec 28, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions

Beason played all positions at Miami

And was considered an MLB prospect, maybe that’s why it’s been his dominant position as a pro?

Plus , Ross had a great start to his career, is it JRs fault he can’t stay healthy and motivated or that the scheme has changed?

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions

is it JRs fault he can’t stay healthy and motivated or that the scheme has changed

No, its Eli’s fault.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions

a majority of all players in the draft

have a player drafted after them who ends up performing better.

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 28, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions

damn those patriots.

they had us all fooled, and tricked us by passing on tom 5 times before anyway to show us that he wasn’t any good.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 23, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions

The dark side, Darth Bellichick

Cant trust him

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions

Pats (I already feel better)

2007
Brandon Meriweather
Kareem Brown
Clint Oldenburg
Justin Rogers
Mike Richardson
Justise Hairston
Corey Hilliard
Oscar Lua
Mike Elgin
2008
Jerod Mayo
Terrence Wheatley
Shawn Crable
Kevin O’Connell
Jonathan Wilhite
Matt Slater
Bo Ruud
2009
Patrick Chung
Ron Brace
Darius Butler
Sebastian Vollmer
Brandon Tate
Tyrone McKenzie
Rich Ohrnberger
George Bussey
Jake Ingram
Myron Pryor
Julian Edelman
Darryl Richard
2010
Devin McCourty
Rob Gronkowski
Jermaine Cunningham
Brandon Spikes
Taylor Price
Aaron Hernandez
Zoltan Mesko
Ted Larsen
Thomas Welch
Brandon Deaderick
Kade Weston
Zac Robinson

40 picks maybe 10 hits Reece has many more hits in far fewer attempts.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions

Pitt. These guys ain't killin it either

2007
Lawrence Timmons
LaMarr Woodley
Matt Spaeth
Daniel Sepulveda
Ryan McBean
Cameron Stephenson
William Gay
Dallas Baker
2008
Rashard Mendenhall
Limas Sweed
Bruce Davis
Tony Hills
Dennis Dixon
Mike Humpal
Ryan Mundy
2009
Evander Hood
Kraig Urbik
Mike Wallace
Keenan Lewis
Joe Burnett
Frank Summers
RaShon Harris
A.Q. Shipley
David Johnson
2010
Maurkice Pouncey
Jason Worilds
Emmanuel Sanders
Thaddeus Gibson
Chris Scott
Crezdon Butler
Stevenson Sylvester
Jonathan Dwyer
Antonio Brown
Doug Worthington

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 3:00 PM EST reply actions

Pittsburgh's obviously drafted good LBaneezers

so that’s why they’re the greatest team of all time

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by Rorschach44 on Dec 23, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions

well obviously

that why in the past 6 years they’ve been to the super bowl 3 times, won twice, or is that not good enuf for you?

The ultimate football chicken & egg argument:
What came first? The great talent or the great scheme?

by rcnt123 on Dec 23, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions

For the record 4 of the past SB winners have done it with avg to slightly above LB z

For the record 4 of the past SB winners have done it with avg to slightly above LB z . Most only had 1 standout at the position.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions

we won the superbowl with Kawika Mitchell, Antonio Pierce, and Reggie Torbor.

they were teh awesommest

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 23, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions

Canton is calling.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions

For the record 4 of the past 5 SB winners…….

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Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions

all because of EL BEEZELBUBS

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by Rorschach44 on Dec 24, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions

They draft LBs for a 3-4 the way we draft DEs for a 4-3

You have unwittingly endorsed the Giants current method

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 24, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions

If you don't believe me that's OK

i read it in an interview with their GM (they keep drafting and signing UDFAs to create a pipeline of talent at that particular position). They even use #1 picks at LB when they have 2 pro bowlers ahead of them.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Dec 24, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions

Phil.

2007
Kevin Kolb
Victor Abiamiri
Stewart Bradley
Tony Hunt
C.J. Gaddis
Brent Celek
Rashad Barksdale
Nate Ilaoa
2008
Trevor Laws
DeSean Jackson
Bryan Smith
Mike McGlynn
Quintin Demps
Jack Ikegwuonu
Mike Gibson
Joe Mays
Andy Studebaker
King Dunlap
2009
Jeremy Maclin
LeSean McCoy
Cornelius Ingram
Victor Harris
Fenuki Tupou
Brandon Gibson
Paul Fanaika
Moise Fokou
2010
Brandon Graham
Nate Allen
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim
Trevard Lindley
Keenan Clayton
Mike Kafka
Clay Harbor
Ricky Sapp
Riley Cooper
Charles Scott
Jamar Chaney
Jeff Owens
Kurt Coleman

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions

The draft always has and always be a Turkey Shoot...

You never really know how they’ll turn out..Chad Jones was a huge disappointent due to the accident..Ross..he’s a good football player, but when a guy is quoted he has difficulty playing a 16 game schedule?..Lose him..I think Reese has done as good if not better than most given where we pick in the draft..I would like to see more trade ups but other than that I think he’s done well..Remember losers get the top picks…Our team has been better than their record has shown..It is the coaches that have to step up and get them prepared..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions

Looking at the draft records of selected teams

Completely misses the point. I don’t care how you get it fixed, just get it fixed. And to me, linebacker isn’t as big of a concern as offensive line. Hard to win games without a decent offensive line, and Jerry Reese is living off of the fact that Eli does a lot to make our line look better than it is.

New England does plenty to make up for draft with free agent acquisitions (and trades).

You’re talking about a team that went 11-5 with Matt Cassel as it’s starting QB in 2008. Not a great comparison. Take Eli off our team and we’re lucky to win 6 games. Meanwhile, New England is about to lock up the AFC (once again), with a defense that allows more yards than any other team in the league. That’s coaching! No, they have an offense that can score points because they have an offensive line that allows them to fucking run the ball (along with giving Brady good time to throw in most cases).

The reason the Giants rank low in number of sacks allowed is all Eli, as it’s always been.

by Max Schwager on Dec 23, 2011 10:36 PM EST reply actions

the point is

name who you think the best GM in the league is, and anyone can make a comparable list of better players who were picked later. It’s just not good evidence.

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 24, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions

The lists

Are simply for those who talk about Reese as if he’s spot on all of the time. He’s had his misses. I don’t really care about them because he drafts well.

My problem is more with the way he has spent money on certain free agent acquisitions which has prevented us from solidifying the offensive line.

by Max Schwager on Dec 25, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions

I think the offensive line argument is disingenuous

Jerry Reese puts less of a priority on the offensive line BECAUSE Eli can make them look so good.

Just think about the Colts (pre-2011) and the Steelers. These two teams have had a ton of success these past couple years, in part because the QBs on those teams don’t require stud offensive lines, which allows Bill Polian and Kevin Colbert to spend more of their resources in other places.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
^watching the Giants on Defense

by Charles L on Dec 24, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah and think about

The fact that Ben is constantly injured because he is forced to extend plays. Peyton Manning has had neck surgery.

Hopefully, we get Eli some decent blocking before he goes out for a season. It’s great to have an “ironman” QB, but you can’t bank on that. Offensive line is always an area of need.

Also, when you can run the ball, it helps establish consistency and control time of possession, which the Giants have been completely unable to do this season.

by Max Schwager on Dec 25, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions

Most every team is just picking once per round

and waiting 31 picks between their choices.

Hundreds of players will get by them every year that turn out better than the guys they selected.

Big F’ing deal.

This is a sig.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions

I'd forfeit about half our picks if we had some better injury luck with the picks we got to keep

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by Rorschach44 on Dec 25, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Marc Ross is the Director of College Scouting

He has a huge hand in the Giants drafts. I think the Giants have done a good job when compared to other NFL teams.JPP might be the best player in that draft,They grabbed Cruz as an UDFA. Jacquain Williams was an outstanding pick. Bradshaw,Boss players worth more then there draft position. The Ross pick I never liked but he was the best corner on the board. Steve Smith until he was injured looked like a great pick. 2009 wasnt a great draft but if the Giants land a Number 1 Receiver and a starting LT thats pretty good. I think people believe that teams hit on every pick which isnt close to the case. 2 solid starters is considered a good draft. I think the Giants have done a worse job acquiring talent in FA then the draft.The thing that amazes me with the Giants drafts have been the injuries to young players they have drafted. How many of these guys have missed more then a seasons worth of games already.
Ross
Smith
Alford
TT
Phillips
Austin
Brown
Goff
Amukumara-missed a lot
Beatty
Sintim

I know theres more as well.Thats a crazy about of injuries

by Redijedi on Dec 27, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions