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'Friday Five' With Pat Traina, Jets-Giants Edition

Time once again for our weekly 'Friday Five' with Pat Traina of Inside Football. Whether or not you guys are fans of Pat's work, just know that I am. Whether you like or dislike some of her answers, there is value in much of the insight we get from Pat, not to mention the credibility of having someone who is there every day be willing to exchange views with me.

I hope you enjoy this week's exchange, and stop by Pat's site for my answers to her questions.

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Ed: We can all agree that Prince Amukamara played poorly last week. Is it really fair, though, to be heavily critical of Amukamara? Or, is this simply a case of all of the injuries catching up to the Giants and them being forced to ask the young man to do more than he is capable of at this point?

Pat: I think it's a combination of things. First, you have to remember that Amukamara didn't have an off-season to learn the defense. He also missed a large chunk of training camp and the season and while he's been in the meetings, it's not the same as being out there. That's not his fault. It's also not his fault that his defensive coordinator might have put too much on the kid's plate if he wasn't ready for it. With that said, I have to wonder if a really understood the game plan and his role within it. Sometimes I think these kids think they understand things, but then when they go out there, it's all moving so fast and maybe they don't have quite as strong of a grasp on it as they thought they did, which is probably why you saw Deon Grant and Kenny Phillips giving Prince a lot of instruction after plays were done.

Ed:I thought the whole 'Giants and leadership on defense' thing was settled a long time ago, but with that group playing so poorly and with so many different voices coming out of the locker room are we back to looking at that group and wondering if there is a leadership void?

Pat: What I think is happening is you have a lot of different voices that are conflicting with one another. There's Antrel Rolle, Chris Canty, Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, etc. ... I am not so sure there is one clear leader on the defense right now as I always remember how Tuck, when he was injured a couple years ago, admitted that he was reluctant to ask his guys to do things if he couldn't do them.

Maybe there doesn't need to be a single voice - who knows? But I think historically this defense thrived when it had a Strahan, a Pierce, a Carson, a Taylor, etc. speaking for it.

Ed: A little chirping from the Giants wide receivers this week about Darrelle Revis and the Jets cornerbacks. How do you see the match-up between Revis and Antonio Cromartie vs. the Giants receivers? The Giants have got to be able to make plays in the passing game or they have no chance.

Pat: I agree that it looks as though the passing game is going to be key this week. As far as the matchups are concerned, I'm looking for Nicks to bounce back from last week's forgettable performance.

Ed: I know that you don't spend a ton of time studying the Jets, but what are your thoughts on Rex Ryan?

Pat: When someone has to be that opinionated about his team in public, I often wonder who he's trying to convince. I saw an excellent piece on nfl.com by Mike Lombardi about Ryan that I completely agree with. Lombardi basically said that Rex's bluster could potentially do more harm than good for his team. It's one thing to believe in your team, so I can't fault him for that. However, it's another thing to sit there and put your head in the sand regarding your team's weaknesses, and I think that's what Rex does sometimes.

Ed: The injury that has been most damaging to the Giants this season is ...

Pat: Terrell Thomas, hands down. He was an underappreciated, but physical corner and I suspect that his absence is a big reason why we're seeing a very different look by the defensive secondary this season.

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I appreciate you, Pat

But I admit, you’re a heck of a dancer.

I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln

by T_Hutch on Dec 23, 2011 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

“Be excellent to each other… and party on, dudes”. – Abraham Lincoln
I love that quote from Lincoln and still think
it should have been left in the constitution!!!

by NY17NE14 on Dec 23, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Where's the dancing?

Seems to me she answered all questions thoroughly.

by potroast on Dec 23, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

She did in this

but she does have a tendency to avoid questions sometimes. I can’t blame her, I’d probably do the same. I meant it in fun.

I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln

by T_Hutch on Dec 23, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Injury that was the most damaging to the Giants this season

Seubert’s injury. If he hadnt been injured I can only assume that he would still be with us, and I think that would assist the OL greatly, even if it doesnt help in the long term

Lost in the playoffs of the BBV fantasy league and ended 3rd overall! Team Figging lived on with its 9-5 regular season record. Beat the (Insert Giants Opponent Here) were just too good to beat.

by ChuckyofNorris on Dec 23, 2011 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

and i learned…nothing

by NewYork! on Dec 23, 2011 8:44 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

The most Damaging thing that happened to the Giants....

Perry Fewell thinking we have all pro rookies… and failing to adjust the schemes to make thier jobs a little easier.

P.F. – "Hey Rookie LB, I know we are kinda throwing you into the fire, but I am gonna need you to do what J. Goff did… Also, yeah… I am gonna need you to cover zones for um… I dont know… 5-10 secs against the leagues best… because we are not gonna send extra bodies into blitz…. oh and umm… we might be sending 3 men, so yeah… it might be longer than that….ummm yeah.. "

The next day. " Oh, we seem to be having problems executing the plays.. I am just not seeing our front beat Double and Triple teams (which they have done before)… Execution is our main issue.. "

Giants are young, and injured... and loosing.

by Skii31 on Dec 23, 2011 8:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

by CCE718 on Dec 23, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO

Biggest lost this season, i have to say its a three way tie between T2, Goff and Cofield…… those three directly impacted our run game and pressure packages.

T2 brought the heart and the fight for that secondary and it shows.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Dec 23, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

T2, Goff and Cofield

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Cofield was probably a bigger loss then originally let on

we weren’t close to this bad against the run last year. Part of that is Goff not being there, but I got to think Cofield had a big part in that. Bro’s an excellent run stopper and he always maintained his gap.

Also he’s probably the reason we’ve lost to Washington twice. You know damn well he knows everything that Eli wants to do and I don’t think its a coincidence that Washington’s defense is about the only one we’ve had trouble with this season .

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 23, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Reasons we cant stop the run..

1.Goff
2.Tuck
3.Bro.
4.TT
5. KP playing in the next area code.

and yes on Washington..

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

most damaging injury?

My first instinct is to say Goff. He was one of the best run defenders in the league, and it looked like he had made the leap in pass defence.

However, I think Tuck hurtS the most. Not only has the D lost its unquestioned leader, but he was an absolute animal in preseason.

by Raptor22 on Dec 23, 2011 8:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

its no question its Tuck

and I think you’ll be able to tell this week, since he’s practiced this week and seems to be as healthy as he’s been all year.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 23, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Tuck has been an all pro when Healthy. Not sure why people on this site want to trade him but he was a stud last year.

Hope he’s ok Saturday but I’m not holding my breath.

by Landeta on Dec 23, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Osi & Tuck

Lets be real….our two best pass rushers when you consider body of work.

Last year they cause unseen havoc with 16 FF and a bunch of sacks.

Not having your best pass rushers healthy makes a difference. Thank goodness for JPP but i can only imagine what all three being healthy would look like.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Dec 23, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Need some help here...

Who am I rooting for, Eagles or Cowgirls? I have been staring at the standings for the past 10 minutes going over ever contingency. Best senario is the Giants win their final games, which no matter what gives us the division. Now, knowing our defense is horrible, I am not confident, so who is the lesser of the evils here, Dallas or Philly? I am torn. As always, I would want both to lose, or something to that effect, but one is going to win. Ties are hard to come by. I think Eagles? But my hate for Eagles > Cowboys. I am having a real tough time with this one.

by CCE718 on Dec 23, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

Um...

Change rooting for to pulling for, I don’t think I can root for either one, but I can pull for one of them.

by CCE718 on Dec 23, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

girls

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

if the Eagles win then all 3 have a shot in week 17 . Pull for the girls and it comes down to just us and the Girls.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Dec 23, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither..We need to take care of our business..

But I think the Beagles will beat the Girls tommorrow..They have been seemingly resurgent the last couple of games..and Jerry’s palace has been a very gracious host to opposing teams..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I was implying that

We need to win our 2 games, but I do not have confidence that will happen.

by CCE718 on Dec 23, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah based on what we have seen..I hope they are more confident than we are..

About these two games..Last week they were totally outplayed and outcoached..very depressing..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Boys win

This Eagles team has been so inconsistent, I think this is just where they fall flat.

Go Giants!

by rich316 on Dec 23, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta go for Cowboys

I cant handle any possibility that the Iggles will still make the playoffs with how terrible the Dream Team’s season has been

Lost in the playoffs of the BBV fantasy league and ended 3rd overall! Team Figging lived on with its 9-5 regular season record. Beat the (Insert Giants Opponent Here) were just too good to beat.

by ChuckyofNorris on Dec 23, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

They ain't going nowhere if we win these last two games..Neither one of them, but I..

Want us tied with Dallas going into the final match..All or nothing game..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Then the Eagles will be tied with us too.

That brings it down to the Redskins needed to pull off a win in Philly for our playoff chances.. not going to happen.

Why won't god let us beat the Eagles?

by lilgiantadam on Dec 23, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Where did you get that?..If the Eagles beat Dallas they are 7-8..

If we win we are 8-7 tied with Dallas..We beat Dallas we are 9-7..If the Eagles win their last game they are 8-8..Is there something wrong with my math here?

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Tie game.

Giants are young, and injured... and loosing.

by Skii31 on Dec 23, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

This was by far the best Q&A with Pat I have read this season..

I think the Thomas loss along with Goff going down hurt bad…and throw Fewell’s inability to coach into the mix…As far as Prince goes, I have all the confidence in the world that he’ll be a good one..and after studying himself on real game film, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him play some tommorrow…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

100% agree

also PF continued insistence to keep our very physical safetys too deep and having no impact overall.

by SJBBfan on Dec 23, 2011 9:04 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I agree about the safeties...

I’ll never understand them playing so far back..Fewell has taken them right out of the plays..ridiculous..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

oi
Lombardi basically said that Rex’s bluster could potentially do more harm than good for his team.

Or it could potentially do nothing, or even help. Great answer

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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 23, 2011 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

That's what everybody is saying..

Rex Ryan with his mouth is quickly transitioning from confident coach to a big blowhard..If he keeps putting his feet in is mouth..He’ll soon be walking around on Prosthetics..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

tT

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Dec 23, 2011 9:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

tT

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Dec 23, 2011 9:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Prince

Let’s see what he can do in man-to-man coverage. Stop with these zone schemes that don’t seem to be working.

by TheGifford on Dec 23, 2011 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

That is not Zone..

It is The Twilight Zone…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

He’s been beaten several times in man.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Dec 23, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Several times??..I must be watching the wrong guy..

First, he hasn’t even played several times, and second I haven’t seen play man at all..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

*seen him

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

he's also flat out admitted that at times when he was playing Man

he thought it was Cover 2 and he had help over the top.

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Dec 23, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I fear we beat Jets , then lose to Cowboys

Most effective way for Giants to tear out fans’ hearts.

by scarlet knight on Dec 23, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

Well it is what it is..We win 2 we're in..lose one we're out...

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

blah blah & blah

I respect Pat..but she’s no mor informative than anyother beat writer ! I sure miss Osi out there,I’m sure he wld have at least 10 sacks & a few strips….he was playing well IMO !!! I also miss the new guy Tryon,he was coming on ! Add those 2 perhaps things are different !even Hertz was playing ok-ish which is better than Chase !! So we win 2 perhaps we get Osi & Hertz back…things cld get intresting going forward…we need to win 6 straight,stranger things have happened !

kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk

by Mr.Williams on Dec 23, 2011 9:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Interesting...
However, it’s another thing to sit there and put your head in the sand regarding your team’s weaknesses, and I think that’s what Rex does sometimes.

Couldn’t the same thing be said about our defensive coordinator?

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 23, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

No it is different..Fewell doesn't have his head in the sand..

It is stuck in his ass..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah...good point.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I agree that TT's injury was the most damaging but

I don’t think we are seeing any different look from the secondary this year. They were out coached week in and week out last year, too.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 23, 2011 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

I suspect our players did a lousy job during the lockout...

Organizing offsite practices than other teams did..and Ithink that came back to bite them in the ass..I know Eli organized workouts with his receivers and it shows..They entered the season ready for the dance..but the others?..The defense?…The O-line?…We have enough players IR’d to create a new team, The New York Injurys…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 23, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

The New York Injuries would be a test for these guys.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Dec 23, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

TT's injury really sucks

but i have no confidence that even a healthy TT could positively impact the nightmare that Fewell has unleashed on the back end of this defense.

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Dec 23, 2011 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Goff on the other hand....

being the MIKE, and the only other true LB on this team outside of a rookie or a 220 lb Boley, and the play caller…

well, it’s hard to say TT’s injury is hands down the most impactfull

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Dec 23, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

"I thought the whole 'Giants and leadership on defense' thing was settled"

Giants Defense and the word SETTLED should not be in the same sentence

by NYGFan777 on Dec 23, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

why?

that’s all they do is settle for the other team gaining yards

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 23, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Injuries

The very fact that we have, at the very least, 3 legitimate individuals (Goff, T2, Tuck) who are up for the question of which injury has been most responsible for derailing the Giants season is just downright depressing.

by jph92 on Dec 23, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

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