'Friday Five' With Pat Traina, New Orleans Hangover Edition
Time for this week's edition of the 'Friday Five' with Inside Football editor Pat Traina. This week I ask Pat about Justin Tuck, Ahmad Bradshaw, the poor defensive effort against New Orleans and more. Be sure to check Pat's site for my answers to her questions.
Ed: I'm worried about Justin Tuck, and was critical of a remark he made this week because it seems like he already sounds defeated. I know he's hurt and I know he's frustrated, but that defense looks to him for leadership and I'm not sure he's providing it. What are your thoughts on Tuck at this point?
Pat: Well first, I will never question a man who's hurting physically, and there's no question that Tuck must be feeling about 100 years old right now (an aside - a few years ago I used to have this running joke with him where every week after a game, I'd ask him how old he felt. His answers always used to vary based on the previous week's game.)
Anyway, I don't think what you're seeing is a result of a lack of ability. You also have to remember that earlier this year Tuck had a couple of deaths in his family. He also has the injuries he's trying to work through, and I don't care how tough a guy is, I have to believe that's all taking a toll on him.
Ed: Ahmad Bradshaw is promising to play this week, and I won't ask you if you think he will or not. What I will ask, though, is what you think the Giants miss without him?
Pat: What are they missing without him? Only their most complete back. He can take it between the tackles, he can make something out of nothing, and has perhaps the best vision out of all the backs on the team.
The problem is the coaches keep hoping Jacobs morphs into that kind of runner, and he's not even close - he can't change direction like Bradshaw can. His vision appears is questionable - how many times has he tiptoed to the line? Is that because he's not lined up deep enough to where he can get a running start, or is it because he doesn't fully trust his blocking? At least when Bradshaw deviates from the plan, he usually has a positive gain. So without a running back who can do that and adjust to what happens on the field, you end up missing a lot in your offense.
Ed: Watching the Giants try to play defense against New Orleans was painful, and the thing that bothered me most was that they couldn't even get lined up much of the time. Any idea what that was all about?
Pat: My biggest question though that I keep replaying in my head over and over comes back to the game plan. Did the plan cover everything? I'm thinking no, and here's why. After the game, one of the defensive starters said that the Saints did a few things that caught the Giants off guard. What does that tell you? That tells me that when the players saw these unexpected looks, they were trying to figure out how to adjust without totally deviating from what was called.
Ed: Chase Blackburn is back. Can a guy who was never really able to grab a full-time starting job in six seasons, and who hasn't played football all year, actually help this defense?
Pat: He might not have a choice. The real problem with this defense, I think, is a lack of speed and experience. In time, maybe the young pups develop into studs, but right now they're all going through growing pains and we're at a point in the season where there is no more room for error.
Not to knock Chase, because the man is a trooper who gives everything he has, but let's think about this. Why was he still available this late in the season despite having "several good workouts" with teams? At this point in the season, Chase is a plus because he knows Fewell's defense, but can he provide the speed this defense needs? That, I'm not so sure about.
Ed: Lots of debate this week about the quality of the Giants roster. When you analyze this team is there one area or position where you feel GM Jerry Reese dropped the ball in the building this team?
Pat: How about linebacker? Again, the rookies have potential and might very well develop into studs, but how do you not have a veteran for depth? If you think back to last year, the Giants had Deon Grant, a former starter, step in at safety when injuries struck, and the safety play held up.
Well this year, you have Kiwi playing out of position (and he could see more time as part of the defensive end rotation if Perry Fewell sticks to his plan of limiting JPP's snaps now that Osi is on the shelf.) You have Boley, your best and most experienced linebacker out with a hamstring injury for who knows how much longer. So what's left? Rookies. Late in the season. With no room for error. With a potential playoff berth on the line.
I understand and appreciate it when Reese said these kids have to step up, but I would think that stepping up should be done earlier in the season when you have some room for error, and then showing steady progress as the year goes on.
If that's Reese's reasoning, then I'm okay with that. But if he's of the "Well we have injuries so guys that haven't played and thus who haven't received many reps with the ones now have to step up" mindset, then that, to me, is flawed thinking because there's only so much a kid can learn in the classroom. At some point they have to get out there and show they can do it and during a regular season practice, there isn't a lot of time to give these kids many reps with the ones to get them ready.
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On the last comment
this all goes back to Clawfin.
Reese does not oversee the day to day roster playing like J. Jones.
Clawfin does not let the rookies play much and is getting bit for it.
More of the same from a coach that I like but his time has past with this team
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
if Perry Fewell sticks to his plan of limiting JPP's snaps
then he should be released immediately.
What are you saving him for? The playoffs? Guess what ya ain’t gonna get there with this kinda thought process, Radio.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
JPP will play.......
all game this week. With Osi out Fewell cannot limit JPP’s snaps this week. Maybe Fewell will learn something now that he is forced to play JPP all game. Right now he’s the only guy who’s motor is running on the D Line.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I'm actually happy Osi is not playing.
I have been a big fan of his but he has provided nothing to the defense for a month.
I realize it hurts our rotation, which may tire out the guys we have in there, but getting JPP back where he belongs is a must.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
actually Osi
Was playing very well…Osi Canty Joseph JPP…is the most effective combo thus far !
kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk
by Mr.Williams on Dec 2, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
WAS
Osi WAS playing well
Tommy D stated Osi hasn’t provided anything for a month. He’s had 1 sack in 4 games. I agree with Tommy.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
IDK what games you been watching
and saying your happy or best pure pass rusher is out against a pure passing team is a little crazy.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
by Blue Gates on Dec 2, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they run more then u think.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Cause he burns out fast when he plays alotta snaps
The limited seem to make him more efficient but at this point im with you just put him out there.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
My thinking is just the opposite
JPP’s best performances have come when he played nearly the entire game, when Osi was out early in the year he seemed to be able to wear out the tackle and make an impact late in games.
I look at him as our best DE right now, Tuck’s injuries and personal life difficulties have limited him on the field and Osi is still as one dimenssional as ever, so to take him off the field just seems idiotic to me.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
i see where you are coming from there but,
i look at it as getting a good batter more at bats during a baseball game. it gives the batter more opportunities to get hits. i know pass rushing is not hitting at all. but thats the way i look at it.
Giants Mets, JPP is a MONSTER
That's not it
He burns out when he spends half of the game going against DTs who are bigger and heavier than he is.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
A More Winnable Game?
Personally, I don’t agree with the approach that GB is unbeatable, but that COULD be what he’d be thinking. Treat the game as a loss, rest some guys who are hurting, so you have a better chance against Dallas. Again, I don’t agree, but I understand the logic.
Regarding Question #3
It shows that Perry does not make good in game adjustments, regardless of his “scheme”.
Moving on to the question about the LB’s. I said the same thing a couple weeks ago,
HOW do you go into a season without any veteran depth at LB, I don’t get it!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
And
no, I don’t think Chase will be much help in that area, c’mon man!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Chase may only help.....
on Special Teams. Hopefully Boley will be back this week. Sounds like he may be.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
That's the only way
we are going to have anything resembling a defense this year … we need Boley back badly.
The LB situation is the........
only thing I can get on Jerry Reese for. He has abandoned that position for way to long now. Our 1st two picks this coming April need to be LB’s and/or sign a FA LB. The rest is on TC and his staff. He’s there day to day making decisions and game plainning. Right now it’s all a mess.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Not just JR
we haven’t used to #1 on a LB in almost 30 years. Carl Banks was the last in 1984.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Bills fans told me this 2 years ago
Fewell doesn’t know how to make in-game adjustments. He just sticks to the plan unless someone else – the coach or a player – suggest something else.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
Sounds incompetent.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 2, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
So Perry Fewell blew.....
a gasket yesterday??? With the way the D has played most of the season he should be blowing a gasket every week!!!! C’mon man!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Is he mad at the teams effort or
That his stock has fallen as a head coaching candidate.
Either way he has done nothing to adjust his scheme in the second half of games for the last 4-5 games
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Adjustments
Perry has made 2 noticeable adjustments this season. One positive and one negative. In the 2nd half vs Miami he played more aggressive. We shut Miami down after their 1st drive in the 2nd half.
Against NE he played more conservative in the 2nd half than he did in the first half. The results spoke for themselves. Zero points allowed in the 1st half. Twenty in the 2nd half.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
I'd love to know who what LB was out there that we could have signed.
I think she forgot that Goff AND Sintim injured themselves late in training camp. If they best they could have done is Chase Blackburn or another marginally talented veteran, might as well get a head start on the development of the promising rookies we have now.
We love to poop on our coaches and GM for not playing rookies and young players over established vets….yet when we DO, we’re doing it “wrong.”
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 8:10 AM EST reply actions
You want
to develop young players obviously, but you cannot go into a season with 4 rookies as depth.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
again...who out there would have been better?
I’m looking at a list of FAs that were available at the time Goff and Sintim went down.
Keith Bulluck, Tully Banta-Cain, Danny Clark, Pisa Tinoisamoa, Lofa Tatupu, Dhani Jones, Chase Blackburn, Gerris Wilkerson
Only person who ain’t trash from that list is Tatupu, but the dude sucks in coverage and was coming off TWO knee surgeries.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
we just got stuck with a crappy situation, as has been the case all year everywhere.
You shrug your shoulders and if you have players there, you play them.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
Are you saying they were the only ones available?
I find that hard to believe, personally I wanted them to sign a veteran to start, but since they were in salary cap hell, couldn’t do that either.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
go all the way down to the timeline at the bottom of this page.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents.php
Giants found out about Jonathon Goff’s injury on September 7th.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, but. . .
those who make the case for LB neglect point to a pattern over years. One 2nd round draft pick in 2009 and the rest mid to late rounders. Sintim, even this year in camp, was not showing readiness to step in and be anything but depth, so it’s not as is he was a veteran on whom people felt they could rely.
Ultimately I agree with you but I can totally understand the other side of this from a longer term perspective, it’s a reasonable case. Last week’s game plan from the Saints was designed to exploit the second level of the defense.
When we were in nickel, they ran. When we were in base 4-3, they passed. And Brees is too smart to be checked by PF’s read and react defense keying off the QB’s eyes. Brees – and Rodgers this week – will exploit that defensive tendency by faking the looks and freezing the defense going the wrong way. The rookies get fooled and we don’t have the speed to make up for errors.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
I definitely understand. I do think Goff was getting much better though.
Towards the end of the year, he was more of a 3-down linebacker, and a good one at that. Goff AND Boley are both signal callers in the defense, and both have played smart football. Imagine having Goff-Boley-Kiwi. That would fix a lot of the problems on this defense.
Rolle could actually play safety. Grant on the field much less. More gap discipline by LB veterans familiar with scheme. This would be a totally different defense. Sintim would be a good backup, AND would allow Kiwi to take more snaps at DE, thereby improving the line too. We have a bunch of talented rookies behind them that could fill in fine for limited snaps. While it’s been a weakness on our defense, JWill and Herzlich have shown that they can for the most part get the job done. Limited snaps for them as backups would not be an issue.
We had plenty of depth. It was deemed unnecessary to bring back Blackburn BECAUSE we had the depth.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
well, I agree that the injury situation has been huge in this
and I’ve probably been as consistent as anyone reminding people about the injuries this year and how they have totally blown up the plan on defense going into the year (3 safety nickel the return of Grant, loss of signal callers, etc.).
But while the depth plan on D has withstood heavy losses at CB, and to some extent, on the DL, the LB corps was thinner and more at risk, and has not held up. So, it is fair to argue that there was not enough depth at LB, though I think LB was in a rebuilding year and got exposed by the injuries and the ripple effects elsewhere on the D.
JR gambled that he could get through the year carrying the D with the OL and improvising following the injuries at CB. But it looks like the ripple effects of all this have further exposed the LB’s and that bet looks like a loser, as far as playoff contention is likely concerned.
Who knows, next year we may be crowing about JacWil as a stud and maybe someone else in that LB crew, and LB may be a strength. But right now, if I’m a team playing the Giants, I’m salivating at the matchups and problems I can try to exploit against our second level of the defense. So I think Traina is right on that score.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Again, I hear you. Still maintain that there's no way one can, or even should have to,
prepare for major injuries to 3 of your top 4 players at one position. JR has had to deal with 2 instances of this. Not fair to blame him at all.
He’s had enough depth. He invested Dillard and Tracy. Had Bulluck and Blackburn. Blackburn was injured. Bulluck’s play dropped off. Dillard and Tracy weren’t good enough. Paysinger, Herz, GJ, JWill showed MUCH more than either.
Also not related to answering you, but I find it funny that people want Da’Rel Scott to start and stuff and blame the coaching staff…yet he’s a 7th round pick.
At the same time, lament the Giants not taking a LB earlier, when some of those guys are 6th rounders. Smells like hypocrisy.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not blaming JR, and I think his bets were reasonable and justifable
Just saying that the performance of the second line of defense now is adding some merit to what has been a longstanding criticism of the whole strategy.
The big issue is also that the changes to the rules have created a new balance in favor of the pass in the league, and there are not many good cover and run LB’s out there to be had anywhere, period. And a lot of guys the LBz crew pointed to as alternative options have not been anything to shout about either.
The only thing I will say is that, leaving aside this year’s team, next year’s team will need to be better at the second line of the defense. Maybe those guys are already on the roster, maybe not.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Agreed.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
apples to oranges
there’s a huge difference in the mental part between playing LB and RB. No hypocrisy at all. RB are a dime a dozen. I wouldn’t use a top pick on a RB. Their success is predicated on the OL. A quality LB are hard to come by.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
that's not all an RB is supposed to do.
Pass protection and blitz pickups are a massive part of what RBs and FBs have to do. You see what happens when they don’t do it → Our game vs Tony Romo last year.
Of course its more difficult to play LB than RB, but the consequences are just as dire, if not more, if a RB makes a mistake in misdiagnosing pressure.
Also, fumbles. Which we saw.
Also, running and learning routes.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
any available veteran LB
would not have made a difference.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Exactly right.
Situations always look different in hindsight. JR didn’t know Goff and Sintim would get injured!
Maybe you can get on him for not signing Chase or another veteran LB, but we still had Boley and Kiwi there, plus he knew that Grant could call the defense in a pinch. Apparently Grant isn’t doing too good of a job with that, however.
Overall I would say he made a mistake. He should have signed a veteran backup to play MLB, but he didn’t, so it then becomes the coaches responsibility to coach through the injuries. Something this staff is not good at.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
If Goff went down, Boley would take up the MLB position...Sintim/Dillard go to WILL
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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
You saved me having to go off on a rant
You are 100% correct. We entered the season with veterans at all 3 starting spots (Kiwi, Boley, Goff) and had experienced backups at 2 of them (Sintim, Dillard). That’s 5 returning LBs. How many should we have had on the team? How much money should we have spent on the position? Do you really think Bulluck would have kept us from giving up 577 to NO?
Ed, please get rid of this weekly column, it’s worthless.
yeap.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Dillard was cut
Sintim was not anything resembling dependable depth.
Getting cut doesn't make him not veteran depth
They brought in 4 rookie LBs. They must have liked all of them more than Dillard (who probably just looked good behind Suh).
And Sintim most wanted as a starter, so how’s that not dependable depth?
Don’t disagree for the sake of disagreeing… Sintim + Dillard = veteran depth even if they’re the 2 shittiest LBs in the league. But since you disagree, who pray tell, would you want playing LB for the Giants and how would you have obtained them and with what cap space would you have paid them?
its always so easy to say "sign a LB" or "draft a LB"
but WHO god dammit. A friggin name, for once, would be nice.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yeap.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
We are talking about........
drafting the best available LB’s on the board when it’s the Giants turn in Rd 1 and 2. They just pass on all of them. How would Clay Matthews have looked in a Giants uniform?
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
probably not too good
he’s a rush OLB.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
that would be a.........
good thing since we can’t seem to rush the QB lately.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
meh...
Kiwi can rush as good as him, but we don’t need that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What is Kiwi??
and what was Clay in college??….He’s one of those players that could play in any defense.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Kiwi is a LB
Clay was a situational pass rusher in college
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Clay was a 4-3 backer in college
Capers saw he could play 3-4 OLB in his scheme in rush becasue of his speed but Mathews was an OLB with Cushing and Meluga in Pete Caroll’s 4-3 scheme he was not a situational player. Hell Cushing lined up more as pure pass rusher than Mathews did at SC.
USC played a 4-3
but its similar to Ohio State in that they used a LBeeker, OSU used Nate Williams for a while, as a situation pass rusher which is what Clay was.
Cushing started and played every down, don’t bring him in this.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Clay has 5 sacks this year
looks like he’s been figured out until the Pack can get him a complement at the other OLB position.
Hes doing alot more in coverage this year and some other things
No one has “figured” him out per se…..not to mention being nicked up.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
hes playing the pass n run extremely better this yr.
not just looking for sacks
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
We're a 4-3 defense
You feed that primarily with DL. Even if LB is a need for us it’s not something that needs to be addressed before other areas of need. 3rd rd or later is fine. Everyone calling for trades for big names, big FA signings and high round draft picks to fill LB just wait for the young guys to come around and you’ll see why we’re just fine going after a JPP or Prince or Hakeem early and grabbing quality ELBEEEZE later.
"I understand (Vick's) frustration. Nobody wants to get hit that many times." ~Mathias Kiwanuka
Patrick Willis was just waived Duh.......
I mean thats what all these “Sign a LB” people would have you think.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
yeap.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Good Points
I get fired up about the LBs, but you’re entirely right. They seem to be in such short supply, I’m surprised more teams don’t have such glaring weaknesses at that position. I still think it’s worth a higher draft pick and hoping they work out, especially since there are so few in FA.
we tried that with Sintim :(
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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Stephen Tulloch
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
I would've liked Tulloch as well, but I don't know how much of an improvement he would have been over Goff.
And considering we were cap-strapped as we were, I don’t know if we thought we could afford him. The fact that he took the contract that he did kinda pissed me off, but I think a lot of it had to do with his former DC, Jim Schwartz.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I've already posted what I would've done as far as moving Goff to SAM
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
I know. I would've done the same as you.
I suppose JR had confidence in Kiwi/Sintim at SLB
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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Therein
lies the problem, they were in salary cap hell. Once they decided to move Kiwi back to LB,
I knew they wouldn’t sign one as as tarter. My point well above as depth, they could have used
a veteran. I wasn’t even talking about how who we draft, where we draft, just damn depth!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 2, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
that's the thing though. They had 4 "vets"
and didn’t necessarily see the need to re-sign a couple more because they had 4 promising rookies that outperformed what Bulluck or Blackburn could have done. You shouldn’t have to prepare for 3 out of your 4 top guys to get injured…two of them on IR a mere week before the season starts.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
and the new CB agreement cut the cap back like 7 million
so that was not something people knew for sure would happen in the FO.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
I am not necssarily disasgreeing
with either of you gents, just saying. I know about the CBA,
hell who didn’t follow that, LOL!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 2, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
ha. that was a painful time
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
We lost Goff, Sintim and now Boley. How many veteran LB can you have.
When could we play rookies? We barely beat some teams during the first half of the season and lost two games to teams we should have beaten.
Defensive scheme must have played a large role in why the defense is ineffective. Seahawks stopped Vince Young several times. Our scheme and players failed to do so.
Goff and Sintim
were hurt before the season started right? That means they knew upfront!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Goff got hurt a day or two before the season started
Sintim in the pre season, it wasnt as upfront as you would have us believe.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
at the end of a short preseason there are not high caliber pieces on the market
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
When you're up against the level of injuries we've had ...
you often need to take a gamble on both increased aggressiveness, and seeing what the rookies got. I doubt either TC or PF agree with me.
What is cracking me up
is Fewell saying his players quit and that was the reason for failure.
Perry, are the players responsible for the bad schemes and lack of adjustment? Are they responsible for the persistent confusion? Are they responsible for JPP, our best D player at this moment, being out of position at DT/NT?
Be accountable, you are failing the players as much as they are failing themselves.
Oh yeah, I forgot, no coach on the Giants is accountable. I give you a free pass
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
He didn't necessarily say that was the reason for failure.
In fact he blamed himself in a roundabout way by saying he will coach better this week when answering “how do you beat GB?” But win or lose, quitting on a play damn sure better get called out.
"I understand (Vick's) frustration. Nobody wants to get hit that many times." ~Mathias Kiwanuka
Well said
And if folks around here are mad at him calling out players giving up then they have officially let their PF hate go to far.
I sat there and watched Webby give less than half effort like he couldnt wait to hang out with his hometown friends after the game or someting.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Any chance Chase is playing MLB and lining guys up?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Not this week
later, who knows? You will probably see Boley and Kiwi this week, a little of Williams.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
I sure hope we get some positive news
later today regarding both Boley and 44.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
they said there will be more Greg Jones
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Who's going to be covering Finley?
I would think Williams is best suited for it with his speed. He did well at times vs. Graham last week.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Since the Giants can't cover any TE...
down the seam…
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Greg was bad when he came in that NO game
but then again who was good.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
It coudn't hurt?
Need some positive reinforcements!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
Radio does not Make Adjustments.
“After the game, one of the defensive starters said that the Saints did a few things that caught the Giants off guard. What does that tell you? That tells me that when the players saw these unexpected looks, they were trying to figure out how to adjust without totally deviating from what was called.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I'm sick of Radio he is a clown
If this fool does not scrap this Flacid cover nobody and play aggressive against the Pack he and Tom are done I’m tellin you the players have been talking. Trying to give this coaching staff a heads up. Shite ain’t workin and they no it. Once the players stop believing which is probably right about now. Things are really gonna get ugly.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
by costanza! on Dec 2, 2011 8:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting use
of the word flacid there…
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
I'm afraid
the D has already quit on Fewell. I’d probably quit on him too after that “scheme” last week. I hope I’m wrong, I hope…
Oh, and yes, rec’d for well placed usage of flaccid, tho points off for spelling and grammar ;-)
Players quit on PF since the game in Indy last year..
What a helluava " defensive scheme" PF had for Indy that day!
I'm still so perplexed by that game.
I hoped it was just an aberration and a case of a guy out thinking himself, going for it big, whatever. Now, I just have no idea what the hell he’s doing out there. He plays away from his players’ strengths, appears unprepared at best, clueless at worst, and I just don’t get it. I don’t necessarily think TC should go with him, but PF and TQ have to go. KG, though I have no overwhelming love for, I can’t blame for dropped passes and poor OL play, so he gets a pass too, but yeah, we need a new DC and ST coach. I’d look at the LBz coach too, he doesn’t impress me either.
"I can not put my finger on it"
As to why PF defensive scheme is suspect at best . PF defensive schem makes HOF out of average Qb’s ask Grossman, Whitehurst, Moore, Young, ALEX SMITH!
But, strangely, making Tom Brady look average
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Tell me about it.......
I was at that game on my annual Road Trip and expected to see one heck’ of a game. All I saw was P. Manning passing all over the field and the RB’s running at will. Ticks me off when you see performances like that and the Philly and GB games last year and a guy like PF is still here. This is why Coughlin is a fool. You have to make changes. Can’t be loyal when your guys are not getting it done.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Yes the players are talking in the media.
I’m sure there is some yelling and finger pointing going on.
I just don’t have any faith in this coaching staff to fix the problems and it looks and sounds like the players don’t either.
Tuck saying it’s hard to come in every day knowing your hard work won’t pay off? Complete slap in the face to the DC and the HC and rightly so.
I will hope and root for them to prove me wrong, I keep saying this, but if I am true to my conviction that a coaching change is needed, what good will a few more wins and a one and done in the playoffs do? Get me more of the same next year, I fear.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
*yelling and finger pointing going on behind closed doors.*
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
perhaps
PF shld have argued to coach from the Booth…where he’s most comfortable….where he can see the entire field, Just a tought! Anyway,I’m still a believer in this team although I holiding on bye duct tape & elmers…the elmers makes cool finger print thingies !
kinda sorta almost in a slight way,think this team is gonna be special ,but dont quote me on it .....im drunk
by Mr.Williams on Dec 2, 2011 8:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
no osi
that’s gotta mean JPP at RE all day against that backup LT for GB right? Right?? Guys?
If that’s the case (and we have no assurance that it is)… I don’t know who that LT is, but he’s in trouble.
A GB fan asked me yesterday
what or who can be an X Factor in the game for the Giants.
I answered him much as you just did. JPP back at RDE may F-up Rodgers whole day.
This is my hope.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Good hope...
but Rodgers has some great awareness and escapability along with the rifle. PERRY FEWELL!!!! Can you confuse a quarterback…ever?
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 2, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
In the schadenfreude department: how about those Eagles? And they do not have nearly the injuries we have had.
How did VY engineer that drive on us. NFC East is pretty weak.
yeah, going along with that thought
when do i get to stop hearing from eagles fans and broadcasters that the eagles are talented but didn’t put it together? They’re 4-8. They suck, not a talented team. I see Nnamdi is alright, Cole and McCoy are both excellent. But, Babin is selfish and a worse run defender than any other starting DE, and they are small and fragile across the board.
When you are bottom 5 in the league at Safety and LB, no run stoppers (except Cole) on your DL, no size on offense and no ability to beat press coverage or challenge the middle of the field… you’re not talented. Really annoying to listen to.
Was just going to say...
Life is better now that Eagles’ best possible record is 8-8. HA! Dream Team
There's a larger problem then individual talent
And it showed it’s ugly head when the team failed to respond in kind to the punkish antics of djax and Eli being knocked around against the those hapless eagles, then put on display against the NO. Pathetic!!
The Eli thing really bothered me
Diehl could have done us a double favor by taking out the Eagles punk and getting himself out of the game. How do you not defend your QB? Especially when he’s the only reason we’re not 0-11 too?
I swear to god
I feel like I’m falling down the rabbit hole here.
Limit JPP’s snaps? That qualifies as a “plan”?
Hoping Jacobs morphs? Bradshaw is going to help the running game in any significant manner? Yeah I’m tired of watching them run for 50 yards a game… it makes me yearn for the beginning of the season when they were going for 75 per.
The LBs? Williams was damn near leading the team in tackles before he had a bad game and got Barden’ed to the bench. Greg Jones was also playing his best when they weren’t actively trying to keep him off the field. Maybe benching a guy for having a bad game doesn’t do wonders for his confidence and experience level? Who would have thought? Yes, they’re rookies… but they’re also on the roster. Let it rip! Having Deon Grant play semi-LB has to be the most unsuccessful experiment I’ve ever seen… just let it go.
That game last night.....
was embarrasing to watch. I hope the entire Offense watched that game and got sick to their stomach’s. 29 yards rushing against that garbage Eagles defense????
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
exactly
It pissed me off watching the Eagles get destroyed by the SeaHawks even more than it upset me when NE worked them over just one week after we decided to forfeit the game at MetLife.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
It pissed me off because we lost to the Eagles,
but it also made me feel a little better because the Giants haven’t quit to the level they have.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Or figured out that one of our safeties is a very weak link physically
and everybody pretty much figures out everybody in the NFL…… execution is what matters.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
We have two very good Safeties
but one plays LB and Nickle back most of the time and the other one plays so deep back, he has to come from the parking lot just to try and make a play.
Make no mistake if they both played a conventional safety look they would be awesome.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
+1
Rolle is being put in position to fail. He’s a good safety but he’s clearly not as versatile on defense as PF & Co. think he is. KP has been good this year but it’s hard to look “great” when you play 30 yards away from the LOS.
I hope that Prince being back, and having 2 games under his belt, will allow Rolle to slide back to his normal position, which would allow KP to do the same.
But then again, I remember its PF’s scheme so that won’t happen.
Going all the way back to the Indy game last year
which is the first time I can remember seeing it, I can’t think of an instance where it really “worked”. So I’m not sure I can say anybody really figured anything out as much as they probably just exploited a bad plan.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 2, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Is it me or does........
Grant look old running around out there. Or is he just out of position like Rolle is?? Grant is not an LB so I with Fewell would stop trying to use him like that. He doesn’t even have the speed to cover from the LB position.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Say it isn't so
Someone said to me that My N.Y. Football Giants are considering Kevin Freaking Gilbride as TC replacement! Say it isn’t so please.
Look on the bright side
He would not be OC
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 2, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
How is that bright when our offensive play calling has been great?
The O line is bad this year and last year i guess you guys wanted him to catch the ball and not fumble it as well. KG has been doing a good job, IDK if i want him as a head coach but IDK if im oppose to it as well.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
they're just saying that to piss yo off
tho it would be hilarious if Crunch is our new HC
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
tho I could think of worse things then having the guy who's had our offense in the top 10 every year be the HC.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
being honest
agreed. My only concern would really be what would be the players reaction to something like that. No idea what he’s like as a personality-manager, which seems more important in the HC role.
There were a couple games early in the season where I thought he abandoned the run too early, but thats just me. Other than that there are just a few individual playcalls to complain about and thats always going to be true no matter who is calling them. As a body of work its awfully hard to argue with the results.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 2, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Based on comments and the like from him before
he probably has a personality similar to Norv Turner. Which is to say, that of a teaspoon.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 2, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
There were a couple games early in the season where I thought he abandoned the run too early,
that could have been some of Elis doing.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
No way Gilbride.....
gets even an interview with the Giants. Mara Tech knows TC and his staff will have to go. Time for a fresh start. We would have to Occupy the Timex Performance Center in protest if even Gilbride isn’t fired the same day/second TC is…….
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
and I would guess.....
Gilbride is as about as old as TC too…………
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
He was a HC at SD for 1.5 years
His record: 6-16
For how long he has been around the game, he was only given 1 chance to be a HC? That has to say something…. No thank you.
Chargers
1996 8-8
1997 4-12 (KG)
1998 5-11
1999 8-8
2000 1-15
2001 5-11
2002 8-8
2003 4-12
Lets not kill the guy for being part of this mess
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Ain't happening
don’t know where your informant gets his info., but NOT!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 2, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Eli likes him ,so fine by me
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Gilbride is clearly of the Wade Phillips/Norv Turner pedigree
Good coordinator, terrible head coach. The scary thought is, KG is nowhere near the coordinator Wade and Norv are/were. I don’t think of him as a threat to be the Giants HC, because I don’t think anyone can truly envision NFL players listening to him/taking him seriously.
I don't understand why she brings up the 2 deaths in Tuck's family.
It really sucks to lose someone that you are close to but to factor that into his performance is a bit odd. So, is she saying that Tuck isn’t a strong enough man to keep personal issues and the football field separate? I know everyone reacts differently while grieving but Urlacher losing his mother didn’t turn him into a lesser football player. Didn’t Favre have one of his best days of his career days after his father passed away?
I think Tuck’s performance has more to do with injuries and a lack of confidence in his team’s ability to handle the loss of so many starters than it does with anything in his personal life.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
I think
she is looking at the culmination effect, along with his injuries, his level of play, etc.
Maybe the guy is worn down mentally? That look on his face on Monday night said it all.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Good point.
“when it rains it pours”
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Mark my words!
Tiki Barber as Giants offensive coordinator after KG takes control from TC. We will also see Tom Quinn fill Fewell’s shoes after he takes over for Gilbrides son as the assistant in charge of “quality”.
Mark my words as “Please, God, don’t make me hurt myself”
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Carl Banks on the FAN
“I’ve got a thousand dollars for the first one to put Dickerson on his back.” Bill Parcells
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 2, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions
"You've got to beat back the will of the opponent." Banks
C’MON EFFEWELL!!! You’re job is on the line.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 2, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
This was bad time for FA's!
There were no good FA lbs or ols because of the lockout! Everyone kept their experienced
players this year! This should have been anticipated!
The Bottom Line
Considering all our injuries, our D has come thru ok for the most part. No fan of PF but trying to compensate for injured CBs and LBs during season is not easy. I hold PF accountable for not putting more pressure on the younger and more inexperienced QBs (Whitehurst & Young especially) that we faced.
Where we really failed so far is offensively. This mostly due to an O-Line that has crumbled probably b/c of decline in their talent. BJ has almost nothing left as a power RB. Bradshaw injury really hurt too. The game that will hurt most all year is not the Seattle game but the Philly loss. Where we went wrong in that game, I’m not really sure, but Philly D should not hold us to 17 points. I will put most of the blame on that one on the OL. This is where we really need to revamp.
We need to draft/sign a couple of studs for the OL, who can out-physical their man mano a mano. It is our biggest need by far. We would be kidding ourselves if we thought that we had any chance to beat Saints last week w/o a ball control running game. I also think this ineptitude by the OL takes its toll on the whole team, including the Defense. Watching one running play after another get blown up at the LOS is demoralizing not only for us fans but for the team too. So JR, your job this winter is to get us an upgraded OL and try to get Spags back as our DC.
DavebrownNOT

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