The problem isn't Fewell, it's the safeties.
I don't post often, but when I do, I prefer to bitch about the Giant defense. As we debate whether our lackluster defense is a result of Perry Fewell's soft zone coverages and three-man rush, or due to a rash of injuries to key defensive players, I can't help but wonder if our poor defensive showings have been largely caused by poor play from our last line of defense; two players who should be game-changing talents. I will leave Deon Grant and TMFS out of this post due to Grant's age and status on the depth chart, and Sash being a rookie 6th round pick.
The Giants rank 27th in the league in points allowed per game, behind such defensive juggernauts as the Kansas City Chiefs and the St. Louis Rams. We are 22nd in rushing yards allowed per game, and our secondary, comprised of four 1st round picks (The Prince, Rolle, KP, and Ross), has given us the good fortune of witnessing the fourth-worst passing defense in the league.
Now, we know all about the injuries at the cornerback position, but a top three of Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, and the Prince does not look bad on paper at all. We also know that the injury to Goff, and the injuries to Boley have exposed our rookie LBZZ to the extent that it was deemed necessary to sign a career backup and special-teamer, Chase Blackburn, off the street and hand him the starting job against the GB Packers. Furthermore, our linebackers, besides Boley, are not exactly stellar in coverage, to say the least. Because of this, our safeties have been asked to compensate: KP frequently plays 30 yards off the ball, and Rolle has been out of position at nickel cornerback, and in the box in run support, most of the season.
However, this is not C.C. Brown and Aaron Rouse we're talking about: these are two first round picks from the University of Miami, who have been touted as an All-Pro, and as "Superman." You'd expect either of these guys to step up and make a big play every once in a while, and one would even hope that they would make big plays consistently. Maybe it's a result of the scheme, or due to the injuries to Goff, T2 and company, but they have not made many big plays. Perhaps Phillips' knees will never fully recover, but it's frustrating and disappointing when two talented players of their caliber become invisible once the games start.
The two have combined for 3 interceptions (and zero sacks, but that's a result of the scheme) all season long. The only one of those picks that I can remember as actually being a big play at the time was Rolle's INT against Arizona on a long pass attempt to Larry Fitzgerald. In KP's defense, he does have a solid eight passes defended, and he did show commendable class and sportsmanship after his illegal hit on Jimmy Graham, but the big plays are sorely lacking. Possibly the only time this season when a Giants' safety was the difference in the game was when JPP sacked Romo in the end-zone for two points against Dallas.
That's not to say that the safety position has been completely invisible this season. At the end of the day, you can always count on Antrel Rolle to make big plays with his mouth, such as guaranteeing a playoff spot last year, by telling fans that the Giants are a much, much better team than the team they just lost to (that always makes me feel warm and fuzzy), trumpeting from the mountaintops that he was in the right position after a completely blown coverage such as Dez Bryant's easy 50 yard score, and stating the obvious: that the secondary needs to play better. At the end of the day, you can expect to see Rolle making headlines almost every day. Except Sunday, when it counts.
All I have to say is: Thank Tebow for JPP.
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I should have added a fourth option to the poll
“They’re overrated.”
I'm down with J.T., Osi, and JPP.
its a draw!
Rolle has played slot CB most of the year. Last I check rolles not a CB. KP is being asked to play 30 yrds deep most of the time because of fewells lack of confidence in CBs and our linebacks coverage skills. Injuries yes! But bottom line as this lays on fewell which has been my agruement all season. Fewell had the players for his scheme on paper until the season started. Half of those players ended up on IR. Instead of adjusting his scheme to match the players he had left. Fewells mastermind decided not to adjust his game plan but try instead to put a square into a circle. That’s right folks fewell still after 14 weeks hasn’t figured out what your 18 month old baby has figured out? A square doesn’t fit in a circle!
by hit_hard on Dec 18, 2011 7:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Fewell has no idea how to use his personnel
But still, I’d think athletes this talented would somehow manage to make a couple big plays. They’re still on the field and not watching from the bench.
I'm down with J.T., Osi, and JPP.
put Eli a great talent at WR
Or tell him he can’t make a throw unless its 25 yrds or more. Let’s see how he does.
by hit_hard on Dec 18, 2011 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
rolle is good speed for a safety
Horrible speed for a CB, just to slow. KP would have some big plays if he wasn’t playing center field.
by hit_hard on Dec 18, 2011 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why the HELL would you leave Deon Grant out of this?
he’s the main reason the safeties suck, cuz he sucks. Rolle’s been playing nickel CB a lot, a position his fat ass clearly cannot play. I have no idea how he was a top 10 pick, Rolle for all he does well is incredibly slow.
Deon Grant is playing a ton of safety. And he sucks. That’s why the safeties suck. We have no one who can play the slot, the middle of the field, and Fewell can’t figure out how to overcome it…mostly cuz there is no answer due to personnel.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hakeem Nicks across the middle I'm BALLIN!
Because Deon Grant is not a huge letdown
He’s a 32 year old that we signed to be our third safety. Noone in their right mind expected him to be a difference maker. Rolle and Phillips should be difference makers: they’re young first-round picks, but they’re not making big plays.
We have Prince back now, so Rolle shouldn’t be still playing the slot. A secondary of Rolle, Phillips, Ross, Webster and Prince isn’t terrible. That shouldn’t be the 29th ranked pass defense in the NFL.
I'm down with J.T., Osi, and JPP.
he is a difference maker
doesn’t matter what he is or what’s expected of him. He sucks, that is all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hakeem Nicks across the middle I'm BALLIN!
It's not that complicated.
If you honestly believe with JPP, Tuck, Tolly, Joseph, Canty, Kiwi, Boley, Webster, Ross, Prince, Rolle, and KP on the defensive side of the ball we are only capable of having the 30th best defense in the league, than Fewell is fine…just fine.
If you don’t believe these men represent the third worst defensive unit in terms of talent, than someone needs to be held accountable as to why the defense is struggling. If that’s not Fewell, than it’s Coughlin…for hiring Fewell and allowing him to stick around.
We’ve played some damn good offenses recently, this is true. But some damn SHITTY offenses have had their way with us as well.
The Redskins are 17th in total yards. The Jets are 25th. If these offenses look top 10 in the next two weeks Fewell deserves to lose his job.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 18, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions
Is Sash an answer at safety? Joaquin Williams @ LB possible looks like the real deal.
Williams seems to have a lot of range & is only 22AND IS 5th on the team in total tackles..
Sash is only a rookie, but he looks slow and completely lost in coverage at times so far.
Williams definitely has potential, but he’s been a liability in pass coverage this year. Like the Packers game against Jermichael Finley.
I'm down with J.T., Osi, and JPP.
All of the Above
There have been a lot of injuries AND they guys just aren’t that good AND a better coach would be able to compensate for the injuries and lack of talent. But they’re good enough to make the Redskins and the Jets look bad, so if they don’t than Fewell definitely has to go.
Go Giants! Go Red Sox! This is not a typo, this is my life. I am "A Fan Divided"
The problem is the soft ass defensive line
no pressure on QBs no run stopping. A pathetic front 7.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 18, 2011 4:04 PM EST reply actions
The problem is fewell is coaching our safties!
To err is human.
To forgive is divine.
Neither is Marine Corps Policy.
It's everything
In games as this one, I didn’t think Fewell’s play-calling was terrible. But when it’s not that, then something else is wrong. This team never plays a complete game of football, which is pretty sad.
The team has no heart. The only one who looked interested in being out there today was JPP. The defense gets a couple of turnovers early, and the offense goes three-and-out on back to back drives.
Coaches are accountable, Reese is accountable, and the players are accountable. The Giants get down and nobody gets fired up. They don’t have that guy who can light the fire when shit hits the fan, like they did with Strahan and Pierce.
Instead, you get players laughing/smiling after a blown coverage or dropped ball. Can’t enjoy those too much and expect to win games.
I just think that our secondary isn't that bad.
I mean they should all be atleast average, maybe Ross is below average, but the rest aren’t bad. BUt as a group they are horrible. That points to coaching to me.
To err is human.
To forgive is divine.
Neither is Marine Corps Policy.
by Big Blue in tx on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to say
Rolle has never been great since we picked him up. Good? Yes, but for the kind of money the Giants gave him, you never expect to see a blown coverage, which we see routinely from him. Kenny Phillips has not impressed. To me, Corey Webster is the only player I have out of that group that gets a pass.
We miss Terrell Thomas and Bruce Johnson in a bad way. Nobody has really stepped it up to fill the void at corner.
Coaching is one thing, and I consider Coughlin, Fewell, and co. all responsible, but you have to wonder how bad the coaching is sometimes when the players just seem completely lifeless.
Not knowing your assignments and missing tackles is not on the coaches. You learn how to tackle in pop warner, so that’s not coaching. When was the last time we saw a Giant defender (not named JPP) light somebody up? That’s not coaching. That’s just a lack of intensity.
by Max Schwager on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions

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