The New York Giants - No Rush? No Defense? No Problem.
The New York Giants have been synonymous with two things since their inception. In fact, they seemed to have been joined at the hip, so to speak. I am speaking, of course, about their running game and defense. As any Giants fan knows, these two areas are what has historically defined the term, "Giants football."
The team name itself is evocative of Lawrence Taylor, who changed they way the game is played today. That is not to say that LT is the only defensive name that comes to mind. For some, Michael Strahan, Sam Huff or even Rosey Grier are names that rise to the surface. It depends on the individual. Simply put, there is an overabundance of defensive players to dial in to from our rich, pervasive past.
The same holds true for the running game. Tiki Barber, Joe Morris, Rodney Hampton, Tuffy Leemans, these are but a few names that have helped symbolize the Giants as a rushing team. This season, however, has not been indicative of either facets. With the postseason on the horizon, can the G-Men win out the division and make a run for the playoffs with these two areas abandoned? Are the Giants fundamentally sound without them?
Perhaps, abandoned is too strong a word. It's not for lack of trying. But, try as they might, the Giants have not been able to establish the run on a consistent basis nor have they been able to limit the opposition on defense.
New York has had some seasons where the defense was lacking, no question. They have also suffered from a lackluster running game from time to time. It is a rare occurrence when both the running game and defense are simultaneously sombre.
Currently, the Giants have rushed for 1,115 yards. They are rushing for an average of 85.8 yards per game. With three games left, that puts them on track to earn a regular season total of 1,372.4 yards. Providing that this average holds true, and there is no reason to believe otherwise, this will be the worst rushing season since 1953. It took ten Giants to rush for 1,049 yards that year. Frank Gifford was among those ten individuals. That gives you an idea of how focused New York has been on their running game and how poorly it has been this season.
On the other side of the ball, things have not exactly gone swimmingly. Yes, the 2011 Big Blue defense has its strong points. Most defenses in the league do. But they still find themselves in the bottom three (30th). This is uncharacteristically bad for the G-Men.
The Big Blue Wrecking Crew defense has not been in the bottom three since 1974. In that year, they gave up 318.4 yards per game. In the 2011 NFL season, thus far, the Giants are giving up 391.6 yards per game. These are serious numbers.
Over the last two weeks, we saw somewhat of a rejuvenation in the running game. Brandon Jacobs rushed for over 100 yards last week for the first time since December 13, 2010. We have also seen some stand up play from the defense. Granted, it has been mainly from the front four. To have the aerial attack that the Giants currently have is atypical. The NFL, in general, has become more of a passing league over the last number of years. It would appear that the Giants, intentionally or not, have slowly but surely become a passing team. To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that."
It also seems that those with a high flying offense have been able to accommodate their shallow defenses simply by putting more points on the board than the other guys. The New England Patriots are giving up 416 yards per game this season. But they have struggled and lost against teams with a more well rounded defense. The ultimate question is, can a team who excel in their passing game, while lacking in most all other areas, really win it all? If you are a Green Bay Packers, we know the answer.
Personally, I don't think being stellar in one area and not so much in all else is going to get the job done. Which is why if the Giants can continue to establish their run and get their defense playing on all four cylinders, they will be in extremely good shape for a shot at the postseason. As the old saying goes, slow and steady wins the race.
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It seems to me
a successful defense in the “post running game / everything is pass interference / don’t touch the QB” era of NFL football involves being able to have a pretty deep bench at the DB position. If your dime and nickel package still puts good cover corners on the field, you can survive. You can mitigate that somewhat if your LB can stay with RB and TE in the flat. The current Giants roster has neither of these options, and so they struggle.
Can we paint over dirt by using a plethora of DEs? I sure hope so. It worked for one year, didn’t it?
I agree..even said so here
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/12/16/2640514/playoff-scenario
Weeding through my own nonsense, I agree that a little defense and some running game and we have a shot.
In trying to scramble out of a hole, it sometimes digs it deeper. ~Wellington Mara
I always root for the defense. ~Wellington Mara
Well the answer is without a solid Defense and a decent running game ...No
Hopefully with this line configuration they have now in place, things will improve on the rushing front…But that defense (loaded with talent) has performed worst in the history of our team..Fewell has destroyed our defensive tradition…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It is interesting though...
with guys like the Packers and Pats, who are giving up so much yardage…I don’t have much faith in the Pats. The Packers…I feel as if we can beat them a second time around.
At some point, your weaknesses become your downfall.
if tuck does not play
if Tuck does not play that is really going to hurt on sunday.
I think they should move Kiwi to DE fo rthe game. Tollefson for over 20 plays, oy…….
they need to pressure Grossman big time and the game is there. he cannot succeed under pressure even more so then most QB’s.
Run the ball and pressure theQB and ELi will carve them up…
Really? You seen Tuck play lately
I have….better yet i havent.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I still trust a banged up tuck
Over a healthy Tolly.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
by wilddre22 on Dec 16, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now thats just Wild Dre
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
hey you can't take my name and use it against me
you’re making me Blue, Gates.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
At least Tolly will register a tackle...
Banged up Tuck is just taking up space on the field
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 16, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but we're at our strength when we're rotating players in and out
already down Osi, no sense making that rotation weaker.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
By the way nice write-up Sean..
You touched on the current and the past very nicely..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Aint nothin like touchin on the current and the past.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Ditto, Bobby
Sean reminded me of lot of things I don’t remember if I remember.I’ve got Irish Alzheimer’s: All I remember are grudges.
Haha!!..Nothing better than a little alzhiemers George..
I don’t think it is the same illness, I believe it is supressing bad memories..LOL
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Our run game and defense can both gain steam now...
The run game is finally moving the chains with boothe, petrus and hynoski on the field. I’m sure Gilbride is opening parts of the playbook that he hasn’t used in a while, and I expect to see jacobs and bradshaw pound the gut much more effectively moving forward.
The run defense will survive without Tuck, he hasn’t played well all year. Kiwi needs to stay at strongside backer to shore up the run D behind Tollefson. Boley is back calling plays and making plays. Canty and Joseph can blow plays up with a four man front on the field.
Tis the season for bad weather and strong play in the trenches. Put the women and children to bed, and lets go lookin for supper boys!!!! LETS GO!!!!!!
by jerseydevildog on Dec 16, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like that Tude sir.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That's the spirit!!..I gotta hankering for a heaping helping of 'Potatoe Skins' ...
With Hot wings on the side..catch them balls boys..I never miss mine when my hands are on them…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I've got a fever and the only cure is...
by Sean Kerr on Dec 16, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That may be the funniest SNL piece of all time
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
This
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 16, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah this one...
Steve Martins “What the hell is that?” skit and what his names “I can’t stop my leg” song..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
How about some leg bone?

I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 16, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think all Giants fans should take a page from your attitude
Hell, I think some of the players and coaches should take note.
I guess that I would have liked for this team to be playing well all season...
but if I had to choose a time for the running game to make gains then this would be the time.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
We have no business losing this game.
This is the first game this season, I have not be anxious about going in.
Not to demean the Redskins but at this point in the season there are only a handful of teams so lousy as to be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
And that is not to say, I am not anxious because I guarantee a victory. Basically it is do or die time, the players know this, the coaches know this, we all know it.
If we don’t win this, we don’t belong in the playoffs either and we can spend the next two games playing the backups and getting them some experience for next year.
the redskins that aren't hurt....are suspended....
there is no reason to even think this game should be close.
i know people say “well, division game” …. i don’t wanna hear it.
Stop Helu. Get a lead. Force them to pass and unleash the kraken
Fire Fewell
Haven't we heard this song and dance before?
Seahawks, the skins, vince young’s eagles? This team plays down to its opponent,i expect no less sunday. A close wind sunday. No kracken unleashed.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
by wilddre22 on Dec 16, 2011 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head...
We never know what Giants team is going to show up…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I felt the same way about the last Eagles game.
It’s Vince Young who have not played for almost a year and what do you know, the Giants played to the level of the competition and lose the dang game. I am not as anxious as I was with the Packers game but we can’t go into this game unmotivated and flat or we will all be here Monday morning screaming which coach needs to be fired.
The problem with the Giants' running game is obvious when you see the photo above...
Bradshaw has been hovering around instead of running. Somebody stop this!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
He must hover
He doesn’t want to put any weight on those two broken feet, 3 broken ankles, low and high sprains, missing calves and whatever else he uses to carry three defenders.
"I understand (Vick's) frustration. Nobody wants to get hit that many times." ~Mathias Kiwanuka
Maybe he should borrow or rent Rexs 'ol ladys feet..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
He looks like I do when I have to take a shit in the woods, and my ass touches a Fire Ant Hill..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ha...I hate when that happens
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
What exactly is AB doing in the above picture? Juking his shadow???
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions
He's doing the "stomp you out" thing
It just looks better when a tall guy does it
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 16, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
The QB has to have the greatest season ever
Which Aaron Rodgers is doing and Eli, as good as he’s been, is not.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
It's a sign of the times
Packers have no defense and are the 6th worst team rushing the ball and they are a few wins away freom being known as the best team to ever play the game.
The Packers could go undefeated for 3 seasons
and I’d still take the 86 Giants
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
I think he giggles like a little girl for a bit....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's like making a hole-in-one playing Golf by yourself...It's gets as much recognition as a tree falling deep in the Forest
Nobody sees it..But I do think if Rodgers fell down in the forest..he’d get a concussion and we wouldn’t have to go against him in the playoffs..As for Brees, I wouldn’t mind a tree falling on him..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Or dividing by zero

I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 16, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree 42
Gimme that team with that coaching staff against anyone. Just one thing tho Can I replace Phil with Eli?
Not that year..I would counter by saying..or asking..
What would Phil have done with our current receiving unit?..He ate Denver for lunch..and how successful would Eli be with the guys Simms was stuck throwing to?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I think Eli makes receivers better
Could Cruz prosper in another system??? not sure, look at SS12
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 16, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I believe he could..yes
Depending on the QB..but yes he certainly has the benefit of having Eli throwing to him for sure…but Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Rivers..Yeah he’d do well..That’s why we need to keep him…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Fwster,
no way SS12 should have played this season.
I agree George..SS12 should have re-habbed longer..
He had no access to Team doctors and trainers during the lockout..I hope he didn’t wreck hi career as a result..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
the offense will care us to the playoff
I think for many us long term giants fans this is hard to accept. We’ve gone season after season for decades knowing the defense will keep the score low enough, for the ground it out offense to put up a TD and couple fields to win the game..
Now the reality is will our offense put up enough points and substain enough time possesion to keep our defense is off the field. Can the defense come up with a turnover and a couple big stops.
by hit_hard on Dec 16, 2011 7:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
great post
one thing, i hate it when links take me off the BBV page. Then I have to click back. I’m an internet recluse and BBV is home!
I know, I know … clicking back, what a tribulation
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
would appreciate a little more evidence
to back up statements that appear completely false to me. Over the last 2 weeks we’ve seen some stand up play from the defense? I suppose compared to the New Orleans game, yes, but I don’t consider giving up 38 and 34 points with 3-4 completely blown coverages a game something to build on. NE has struggled and lost against teams with a more well rounded defense? They’ve lost 3 games, and I don’t think you’re including the bills or the Giants among the “more well rounded defenses”. Slow and steady wins the race? Sounds as convincing as people that just repeat the mantra “running and defense win championships”, ignoring that Green Bay won it all last year without much of a defense or running game and looks perfectly capable of doing it again.

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