'Friday Five' With Pat Traina
Time for this week's 'Friday Five' with Inside Football editor Pat Traina. No 'crystal ball' questions for Pat this week. We talk about Antrel Rolle, the defensive struggles, the resurgence of the running game and more.
Be sure to check Inside Football for my answers to Pat's questions.
Ed: Did you have any issue with any of the comments made by Antrel Rolle this week? I didn't, except that you can make the argument he threw Corey Webster under the bus while defending himself.
Pat: I don't recall Rolle specifically mentioning Webster by name - in fact, as I remember, it was one of the beat writers who by deductive reasoning, mentioned Webster. So no, I have no problems with what Rolle said because when he has screwed up in the past, he's been man enough to own up to his mistakes.
Ed: The issues in the secondary. I know there have been a multitude of injuries, but for the most part these are veteran guys making mistakes. Are they being asked to play too many coverages, or figure out coverage schemes that are too complex? Or do you see something else?
Pat: That could be part of it, yes. Another part could be that they might be trying to compensate for the rookies who aren't where they're supposed to be and hence it looks like the veterans are the ones screwing up. Honestly, without knowing the specific calls, it's hard to put a finger on exactly what the problem is. However, one thing we constantly hear from the players is that they have to go and do a better job regarding communicating. Now whether that means they're not sure of what they're being asked to do on the field as the game unfolds, or they're not quite "getting it" in the classroom, I can't tell for sure. But I can say that at this point in the season, these breakdowns should NOT be happening.
Ed: I wrote this week that the improvement in the running game seems to coincide with the insertion of Mitch Petrus into the lineup and the improved play of Henry Hynoski. Thoughts on the recent play of those two?
Pat: Petrus is a little firecracker - love his enthusiasm and I also love it that he has a bit of a nasty streak in him. In fact, he reminds me a lot of Richie Seubert - a scrappy son of a gun who doesn't take gruff from anyone, yet who plays a controlled game as far as keeping his aggression within the play as opposed to engaging in the extracurricular stuff some guys have been known to pull.
As for Hynoski, I think his problem early on was that he was a little too excited to be out there and that he would often go for the pancake when it wasn't always called for. He's since calmed down a bit and has been paying a smarter, more compact game out there. He's still not blowing people up - I think that will come in time once he adds some additional strength and bulk in the off-season. And how nice is it to have a fullback that can actually catch passes? The kid runs some nice routes and I wouldn't be surprised if maybe next year he sees his role in the offense expand a little bit more to where he's not just out there to block.
I'll add one more thing. I think having Kevin Boothe at center has been huge as well. Boothe is a road grader, and he's healthy and I think he's made a huge difference in the overall protection for both the run and the pass. Not trying to take anything away from David Baas, but Boothe has been in the system since 2007 so he knows that playbook inside and out whereas Baas is still learning on the fly (and the fact that he's been absent due to injury hasn't helped his performance either.)
Ed: You made a sort of impassioned plea this week for people to stop criticizing Perry Fewell. Your thoughts on the job he has done given the injuries the defense has sustained?
Pat: Well, you know I like referring to stats Ed, so let's take a look at the Giants' six losses. In Week 1, they lost by 14 to Washington - this was around the time that Goff was lost for the season and they had to throw in a rookie linebacker into the mix (Greg Jones). Week 5 vs. Seattle, they lost by 11 largely because, I think, they were caught off guard by the no -huddle -=- that's on Fewell.
During their four-game losing streak to the 49ers, Eagles, Saints and Packers, with the exception of the Saints game in which they were blown out by 25 points largely due to a mysterious lackluster effort, the Giants lost their other three games by seven points or less.
Now on the flip side, the defense has gradually been allowing opponents more points per game and the offense has been able to match or better it - see the Cowboys game for instance.
So what does all this mean? The Giants defense, under Fewell, is far from being perfect. However, it's settled down, I think. And if they can just clean up these remaining nagging issues with the communication in the secondary, I think the defense will become that much better.
Ed: Thoughts on Aaron Ross? He played very well at the beginning of the season, but seems to have faded as the year has gone along.
Pat: Truthfully, I've never been able to figure Ross out. Historically he starts out strong and fades and I keep going back to something he said several years ago about his stamina in making it through a 16-game season. I'm not saying that's the case here, but if you watch his play, to my eyes at lest he doesn't seem as energetic and is making some sloppy mistakes out there.
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Defense has settled down?
Sorry Pat, but you must be drinking my beer. The only reason we are even close in games is Eli and the gang. Only JPP is better. The rest of the D is as bad or worse. Pass defense is a sieve and the holes are growing. I know their are injuries but that is not the whole story.
PF needs to be spanked hard or cut. He is not getting the job done. Period. His performance last year was not that good and given a pass as a first year with the players. He must get the pass D fixed now or be gone.
All of this falls on TC and I persist in saying thanks for the memories but your time has passed. Time to make a change.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Dec 16, 2011 7:50 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, the defenders of the passive D approach always say things like ...
we “we just have to clean up a few issues” because everyone has to execute perfectly since the QB will have time to find the one that doesn’t.
God I hope PF is a goner next year one way or the other.
Aggressive DC’s would drool to have the DL options the Giants have with their talent.
I thnk it's fair to say
When your defense is ranked in the bottom 3 in the NFL, describing them as settling down and trying to say Perry has not done a bad job this year is laughable.
This D is just as bad as if not worse than Sheridan’s D. they can’t make critical 3rd down stops, they can’t stop the run you can pass all day on them and they just have to clear up some communication issues WTF?
If it wasn’t for Eli we would probably be like 1-12
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
You guys continue to kill Fewell
But just last yr when Perry had his horses, we led the league in turnovers. If the offense didnt do the same who knows where we might be! I would challenge any dc to do well losing his mike most productive corner as well as d-linemen and 4 other corners! Come one wih the fire him stuff, we haven’t been getting any turnovers his yr and you can attribute it to our lack of players not Perrys soft defense!
He blitzed corners and safeties a lot last yr and it was effective more disguised and worked! How the hell are we going to bring any exotic blitz or secondary blitz with no corners who can hold up? We can’t cover when we dont blitz how the hell are we going to when we sacrifice a DB? You most productive defensive ends are injured and in and it the lineup. Give the dude a break
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 16, 2011 8:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trania should participate in Dancing with the Stars
She likes to dance a round the questions…Defense will get better? After all the rambling , please explain why, how? Stop it!
LOL!
I just read before coming on here, that both Webster and Big Ears think they were in the right spot? All I can is huh? She does have the communication part right, SMH!
This cannot continue, even Grossman has thrown for 300+ yards the last two times.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 16, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I did not come to my position on Fewell lightly
Granted Our D has had a lot of injuries, but I challenge you to look at what Killdrive is doing with his unit that has a lot of injuries too. We have a bad running game, our O-line is suspect yet we can still score points. Our D is ranked 30th that is terrible, we can’t stop the run, teams pass on us at will and players still don’t know the D in week 14! That screams bad DC, yeah with all his horses he might be decent but a good DC can make adjustments.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
You're delusional
not Perrys soft defense!
To suggest his defense isn’t soft is flat out naive.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Coach through the injuries, Fewell
That is all
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Settled down?!?..Your have to be cracking a joke Pat!!
The communication problems in Secondary can only be solved by issuing them cellphones..they look like the Three Stooges out there…Fewell can’t leave soon enough after the season…They are a leaky faucet..time for a better Plumber..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Cell phone - very funny
but they would be arguing who is calling who and the ball would be snapped and the play would be over, Rolle and Grant still reading texts from each other.
One thing I did not comment on was the misuse of JPP which has been chronicled here ad nauseum. PF should be smacked hard just for his DL set up where he was crippling the best player he has by putting him in the wrong position repeatedly.
What next? Eli on DL? Ballard or Boothe as a safety? PF is responsible for the scheme and the execution. Both are terrible.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Dec 16, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Forget cellphones
I’m thinking they are going to need iPads. That way Perry could just draw pictures for them…
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 16, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I don't get what she is talking about.
They give up over 24 points per game.
And she mentions losing close games to the Niners, Eagles, and Packers. Big whoop. Either the defense was blown out, like vs. NO, GB, and to a lesser extent SF, but they gave up that sickening 39 play drive to Vince Young led Eagles to win the game.
Disgraceful how bad they are…. Embarrassing.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
This is what I was going to say
Might as well make the first comment green.
Losing by 14 to the Redskins and putting that on Greg Jones is sort of hilarious. As far as “settling down”, did the D look better against the Cowboys than it did against the Packers or Saints? C’mon. If Romo hits receivers when they’re open (and not just the one big play at the end, either… there were more than one) thats another 40+ point game on the defense.
Forget the losses, check the wins. In 4 of 7 wins they’ve allowed 20 points or more. The other 3 were 16, 16, and 17 points allowed. Thats just terrible, especially since the offense hasn’t been turning the ball over like it was last year.
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 16, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000
I was going to reply to that same exact statement. This is why I don’t like these segments with Pat. It’s as if she’s towing the company line. She doesn’t want to say anything negative about anyone in the organization. Most media is too negative. Pat is too fearful of being negative.
The Giants D has allowed 49, 31 and 34 points. I guess when you go from 49 to 31 and 34 that could be classified as ‘settling down’.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
What about when the offense was going 3 and out for a whole half??
Cmon now be fair
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Ed could you please stop with this Friday Five
Or @ least interview someone who will definitively take a stance on a question! Pat basically renders herself useless wit some of her answers
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 16, 2011 8:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
It must be hard being an editor of something called "Inside Football"
When your reporting from outside…They should rename it “Outside Football”…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I just think
she would rather have people subscribe to her site, maybe she is more forthright there?
I was only on there once, so I can’t speak from personal experience, just an educated guess?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 16, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I used to go over there after
reading every Friday Five column here. Not anymore.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
been banging this drum for a month.
Let me summarize the article..
1) Do you have a problem with Antrel? A: No.
2) What’s up with the secondary? A: I dunno, communication
3) Is the running game better with Petrus & Hyno? Yes, but they’re both small (??) and Hyno doesn’t pancake people (I guess she wasn’t watching much the last 2 weeks)
4) You think we should ease off on PF? Yes, because our D doesn’t really suck (WTF are you talking about, crazy lady??)
5) What’s up with Aaron Ross? Poor conditioning
Seriously?!?!?!?
by TNYFBG on Dec 16, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
LMAO
4) You think we should ease off on PF? Yes, because our D doesn’t really suck (WTF are you talking about, crazy lady??)
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
by costanza! on Dec 16, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, there;s nothing more to say!
4) You think we should ease off on PF? Yes, because our D doesn’t really suck (WTF are you talking about, crazy lady??)
Ha!!!..This goes Green!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'm over @ Hogs Haven
Pissing these guys off telling em we’ll let them borrow Eli next yr on our bye week. Then hey can hav my man Schaub on his! Lmfaoo I didnt know trolling was this fun lol
by AHoustonGiant on Dec 16, 2011 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trolling
Is something I would rather not have folks associated with this site doing. Intentionally pissing off fans from other sites is not cool, and it’s not how Big Blue View got the reputation of being the best place on the Internet to talk Giants.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I've mentioned in many a thread..
I don’t even bother visiting other blogs..I decided it wasn’t worth it..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
well,
in sports commentary I think the alternatives is know-it-all blowhards who take strong stances and are wrong half the time… see: Schein, Adam
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 16, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
too true
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 16, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
funny thing is hes a totally dif dude on sat. radio.
Also finding it hard to sit though more then 30 min. Of ESPN.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Or
R44? Ohhhh!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 16, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
No Creds.
LOL!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 17, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
i thought it was pretty good this week.
She can only do what she can do..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
AGREED
It’s time we pull the plug on this segment. The only thing she offers it gives us the ability to bash her. She offers no insight at all.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
If you guys
don’t like the segment, don’t read it. I appreciate the fact that a reporter who is there every day is willing to take the time to share her thoughts, and give me the opportunity to share mine over at her place.
One thing to always keep in mind is that Pat, or any of these beat reporters, has to face these athletes every single day. To effectively do their jobs there are thoughts and opinions they simply can’t share.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
This segment doesn't bother me at all..but I'll crack a few jokes about it..
Nothing wrong with that..I know full well about keeping secrets, believe me..and as Cranky50 stated, from a media perspective..You stand the chance of losing your sources if you blat out things taken under confidence..In the military, you could lose your life…Pat can however offer a little more without divulging information she swore to keep off the record..but I don’t mind this segment..doesn’t bother my day..The only thing that would screw my day up is if I didn’t wake up..that would really suck..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I will have to qualify my comment here by saying..
Her response stating the Defense has “settled down”..that was pure baloney..I think she could have said something there that wasn’t totally stupid and not let out any trade secrets..Does she know at all that she is responding to questions that many of us have been following the Giants for over 45 years read?..Who’s she trying to kid here?..It won’t be me I’ll tell ya..There’s me and a bunch of folks out here that have been following the Giants for as long as I have..Don’t try to BS us with a BS responses..Just say “No Comment”..Don’t insult veteran Giants fans with bull answers..Have a talk with her about that..If you can’t say anything that has some assemblance of relevency..don’t say anything at all..
Does the Daily News, New York Post, New York Times, etc..hold back everything?..Hell no they don’t..So what is the deal with this Outside the NFL that makes them have a problem with?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The Fewell defense here sucks
Okay, they lsot vy 7 or less. You want to know why? It isn’t because Fewell’s going a good job, it’s the eleven men on offense who actually does their jobs. And they do it quite well.
"Petrus is a little firecracker"
That’s hilarious.
Team: Kraken Pierre-Paul
Yeah that is a good description..lol
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
More like a pitbull!
I love his nasty side!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 16, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about the "settled down" thing, but...
I think the d will be better down the stretch. They should at least be lined up and a lil more organized now that boley is back.
Perry could also keep the best players on the field a bit more and stay in more 4-3….more canty and anvil, fewer 8 man zone/ 3 men rushing.
and the run game....
It’s no coincidence that the run game woke up two weeks ago..boothe, petrus, and hynoski are getting this team running the stinkin ball again. I love seeing eli convert on a 2nd and long, but i think we’d all rather see more 2nd and short.
Ross's performance...
does it start off strong at the beginning of the season and fades as the season progresses. What does every player? And when you take into consideration the amount of time that our defense spends on the field, do you have to cut this guy a little slack. Our offense is prone to quick 3/outs as well as quick touchdown strikes which means our defense on the field for significant amounts of time. Surely this pattern is playing a role in their performance. This has been the case for the past several years. Take into account short work weeks practice, etc. Fatigue at some point is going to take its toll.
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 16, 2011 8:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is Another one of the dangers of the passive zone D.
You don’t get off the field quickly and often enough, and your D starts sucking wind.
Why Perry Fewell sucks
Not a good idea Fewell.
DC blaming players. Players blaming DC. Players blaming players. Wtf!! TC needs to address this public family sqaubble and do it quickly. The more I read this kind of stuff, the more the truth in Tiki’s words about TC losing the team become more apparent. Should have listened to you in the beginning Tiki. This is a mess.
by LoNJDTechnology on Dec 16, 2011 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good stuff by MG
As for the D issues, maybe its time for fewell to simplify the coverage a bit, because if they ain’t getting it at this point, guess what? They ain’t getting it.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
by wilddre22 on Dec 16, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
when you have chaos weekly, simplify, don’t amplify!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
is he or is he not...or does he need a good regiment of IRON PILLS supplement for his stamina.
Pat: Truthfully, I’ve never been able to figure Ross out. Historically he starts out strong and fades and I keep going back to something he said several years ago about his stamina in making it through a 16-game season. I’m not saying that’s the case here, but if you watch his play, to my eyes at lest he doesn’t seem as energetic and is making some sloppy mistakes out there.
Again, this woman likes to dance around the question.
If Ross says he has trouble getting through a 16 game schedule..
Then he doesn’t belong in the NFL..That comment was so stupid, I may have to take a remedial Reading class..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I am surprised
the guy hasn’t missed a game yet, he’s a nickel back, nothing more.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 16, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
looks like a honest answer to me .
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
agreed on this one
This week was actually pretty good but all anyone is going to focus on is the comments about Fewell not sucking.
Maybe it was Ed’s intention to have that in there to get us talking.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
I'm a fan of the Friday Five
But the ‘slack’ issued to Fewell is uncalled for. No excuses in the NFL. You either get the job done, or you don’t.
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by pataroons on Dec 16, 2011 8:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We are 30th in the leauge in D
So If we clean it up we will be 29th. Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Off to fantasy land
While here, I will be thinking of what this Giants team could do with a middle of the road defense, say rank #15. Final scores would be 37-14 instead of 37-35. (Sigh)
Haha!!..a marked improvement!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Your Defense Logic Is Terrible
We lost 3 games by 7pts or less. Yes, they were close, but using point differences is useless. If the game was 103-100, you’d argue that the defense was fine because it was a close game? When you’re looking at a defense, ignore the offense, and look at how many points are being given up.
We’ve been lucky that the offense has kept up.
Yup, pretty simple
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Off Topic
I guess since Sam Hurd has only caught 8 passes, he decided a career change
is possibly in order?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
Yes he decided to make license plates...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
500K
He was supposedly going to spend….WTF?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 16, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
This should be called the Friday Five Excuses instead
If a “settled down” defense gives up 300+ passing yards and 4TDs in 3 straight games. I’m frightened by what a riled up defense would look like.
Also, what the hell does margin of victory have to do with performance?
If we lose 49-45, our defense performance is supposed to be considered better than if we lose 7-3 because the margin of victory is smaller? I get that the basics of defense is to limit your opponent to less points than your team scores, but how can you judge a performance on margin of victory. Makes no sense.
Not sure whats up with all this killing of the F5 but what do u expect?
Should she be going on the same rants as some u? Giving away game plans? Start bashing playe
rs ? Coaches?
I thought this weeks post was a pretty good read ,pretty good depth.
I know this isn’t a popular stance but damn ! What do y guys want? If she started doing all the above , I’m sure the next F5 would be with some other slap Dick.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
by Troy O on Dec 16, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i'm a regular at trainathought.com
Pat’s great, but man, this Q&A was pointless/bad. Her defense of Perry Fewell made me cringe…She states “i like referring to stats ed” than goes on to mention zero stats, unless you consider the scores of losing games statistics….I’ll give pat some defensive stat’s how are these: yards/game allowed 391.6 (30th), points/game allowed 26.8(27th)….THATS PATHETIC PAT! How bout you hold someone accountable.
out of all her answers thats the only one I have a prob with.
Yet I agree to a point . Why were the Giants ranked 7th last yr and 30th this yr.?
She has asked her self that im sure . Her conclusion after gathering info from players and staff… Injuries ! I mean not just avg injuries but the most important part of the D. Crippling injuries.
I believe the D has played better of late , shocked? I tell u why. There was an adjustment made in the run D . if you notice of late . We havnt been getting repeatedly gashed. Its easily over looked because the #s dont show a large improvement. Beside the Cowboy game (where the LBs and Safety’s paid a shit load of attention to Whitten) No body ran on us with consistency . Yes a late game break aloud the stats to look as if thats not the case . Fact is our run D is better .
I know Fewell is sucking ass. Hes a DC that cant succeed without all his toys. Think how good that D would have been with Kiwi last yr.
The question the Giants need to ask them self’s in the off season , Do we want a coach that cant improvise when not handed a full deck ?Or hope by some miracle of Tebow we go on a run like the Jets and only loose 1 or 2 players a yr to injury..
How bout you hold someone accountable.
Well because if she started making a habit of that she shortly would be looking for new work.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Agreed
Why all the hate for F5. We are all coming to a Giants website to feed on a little fodder, keep us going ’till Sunday. I, for one, am glad to have access to F5, and the handful of other reading material posted today- gives me something to do.
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by pataroons on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aaron Ross:
WAS NOT playing well at the beginning of the season. doesn’t anyone remember the first two weeks of the year when this site CRUCIFIED Ross?!?! Webster too even.
than IF anyone recalls, Fewell started matching up Web w/ #1 WRs, and teams like Buffalo, ARZ, Miami were basically trying to target Webster (largely unsuccessfully mind you). Mix in a solid game vs. Philly…..Ross never really got tested for a good stretch there.
NOW what happens. Teams recognize Webster is playing at a high level and what do they do? Target Ross!
and that ladies and gentlemen is Aaron Ross’ season in a nut shell.
mix in the back and forth non sense that Fewell is askign him to play….and you have your answer.
Fire Fewell
yep
other then looking good for a short spell he has sadly been a bust.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
In defense of Pat and these exchanges....
Long ago and far away in another lifetime I used to own a newspaper, and did some writing for it on occasion. I generally knew a lot more about what was going on behind the scenes, what was being planned, what unannounced problems there were, who was trying to cover for whom and such, than I was ever able to report. Some things you know and can’t make public, or you lose 100% of your access to sources. Some things you know are problems that are apparent enough that you have to comment on them, but while you may know the particulars, or more of them, you can’t disclose them.
I’ll give you an example. Suppose Pat knew that Aaron Ross has one of the famous “undisclosed injuries” that he’s trying to play through. Suppose Ross told her that “yeah, it’s a problem, and I probably shouldn’t be out there, but who the hell else do they have?” Suppose TC “off the record” acknowledged it, but doesn’t want word out about it. Are you gonna report that Ross has an injury and detail what it is? If so, you’ve lost all credability with the people you have to interact with to make your living. If not, people scream at you and think you’re stupid for not being able to figue out what’s going on, and everyone dumps on Ross for just being lousy.
I’m not saying this is the situation, but I can guarantee you that anyone in the press who has any credability at all ALWAYS knows more than they’re able to print.
As for the weekly feature, I hope it continues. It’s free, if I don’t like it I don’t HAVE to read it, but I do, because sometimes I learn things from it. I just don’t get the demands for more and the putdowns. At the very least it’s worth every penny any of us are paying for it, and I’d argue more.
here here!!
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
These are excellent points. I agree and understand the point about sources.
Problem is I think many here believe they get more info from other sources like P Dot, MG, and the like.
There is an expectation when you click on BBV and the Friday Five. This is our pass inside, or at least that is what it feels like it should be. And once inside, we get less insight than if we read the daily newspaper.
I don’t want to see the segment eliminated, but it is frustrating for me not to get better information from her because of my expectation level going in.
At least that is what I used to expect. Now I click on the FF and I read it with an eye toward; “ok, which parts are my BBV buddies going to rip as uninsightful, obvious, or disingenuous.”
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