New York Giants News And Notes: 'Grave Concern' Over Secondary Breakdowns
by Ed Valentine on Dec 13, 2011 7:39 AM EST
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Good morning, New York Giants fans! Let's get your day started with some news and notes regarding your favorite football team.
Giants coach Tom Coughlin Monday expressed "grave concern" over the continued breakdowns in communication in the team's secondary.
"The thing that I'm most discouraged about and disappointed is when we do have a breakdown in communication and we do have some type of an error that gives up a big play. And that should not be happening," Coughlin said. [Full Coughlin Transcript]
Here is another look at some of the issues in the Giants' secondary.
The Giants, as we know, now lead the NFC East and control their own playoff destiny.
"Hopefully this will again continue to motivate and excite us about the very difficult remainder of our schedule," Coughlin said, "I've always been a huge believer in you have to take care of your own business. Whenever you start to drift and to think that perhaps other people are going to help you out, I think you get in trouble. You have to take care of your own business. We realize how difficult each one of these games will be, but we put ourselves in position where if we can take care of our own business then what we've wanted all along will present itself as an opportunity for us."
Coughlin has, of course, pounded home the 'finish' message all season. The Giants have finished with six fourth-quarter victories. Now, facing a difficult schedule, they need to finish the season strong to make the playoffs for the first time in three seasons.
"It is not about style points, it is about having the opportunity to accomplish what we set out to accomplish at the beginning of the season, which was win the division," defensive tackle Chris Canty said. "Now we are in a pretty good position but we have three tough ballgames ahead of us. We know that we are going to have to finish. Coach Coughlin started it in training camp with the motto of ‘finish' and that is the mentality. That is the mentality of our football team for the next few weeks." [Full Canty Transcript]
Justin Tuck has 'no clue' if he'll play against Redskins | New York Daily News
Giant DE Justin Tuck had an MRI on his toe Monday and has "no clue," if he will be available to play Sunday against the Redskins. On his weekly radio spot on WFAN, Tuck said that he felt like he was "just the fourth man on the line. I was playing on one leg," in the Giants win over the Cowboys.
Tuck said he felt the injury first in the loss to Green Bay and then again on Wednesday when the team returned to the field for practice. It continued to get worse.
It is just the latest in what Tuck called a "laundry list," of injuries this season. He has missed time with a neck and groin injuries this season.
Is Manning the League's M.V.P.? - NYTimes.com
Manning has been very good–excellent even–for the Giants as the season swings toward its final three weeks. The question is, has he been the best? At one point it might have seemed outlandish to suggest that anyone other than Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers would win the most valuable player award, with New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees on the edge of the conversation.
Now, though, it is getting harder and harder to ignore Manning. What he has done this season with a patchwork offensive line, a mostly non-existent running game and a crew of receivers that, save Hakeem Nicks, had little cachet coming into the season, is simply remarkable.
To be sure, Manning is the M.V.P. of the Giants (with Jason Pierre-Paul a very solid runner-up) but does Manning deserve more? My thinking is that Rodgers still has the edge–his performance is just insane–but it sure is closer than I thought it would ever be.
Osi Umenyiora is unlikely to play against the Washington Redskins on Sunday, according to a source close to the defensive end.
The source said the progress on Umenyiora’s ankle has "been more down than up."
Umenyiora got hurt in the Giants’ loss in New Orleans two weeks ago.
Smith's season ends on IR with knee injury - Giants Blog - ESPN New York
Steve Smith’s season has come to an end as the Eagles placed the former Giants wide receiver on injured reserve on Monday with a bone bruise in his surgically-repaired left knee.
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We have veterans back there.......
and an experienced DC. This definitely should NOT be happening. Also, there is no reason Fewell and Coughlin cannot figure this out. This is no time to come up short.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Coughlin clock gaffes!!!
I don’t understand why more Giants fans aren’t very very concerned about this. Coughlin glad-handed the opposition points by mismanaging the clock yet AGAIN!!!!
At the end of the first half, when they re-gained possession after the fumble, they had the ball with a minute and a half and two time outs. There is no reason in the world why they shouldn’t have been able to finish that last possession leaving Dallas with no time on the clock. Instead, they call pass play after pass play and kick a field goal leaving Dallas around a minute left and some time-outs. Dallas drove down the field for the go ahead field goal.
It…
Never…
Should…
Have…
Happened!!!!
Giants should have walked off the field with a first half lead.
I know that they won the game, but they’ve already lost one game (GB) because of this. THey will lose another if they don’t get it fixed and that will be the end of the season.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Dec 13, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Intense seminar
Coach Fewell has to lock himself in a room with a white board, magic markers, film of Dallas, last Washington game and New Orleans game and the linebackers and defensive backs.
He has to make sure they understand his coverage schemes. Based on watching the games, they don’t get it.
If we can hold someone to 17 rather than 35, we have a better chance to win.
you get tired of hearing the talk
Antrell Rolle talks too much. What bothers me most about the breakdowns is how the players react to it on the field. There’s this immediate finger pointing and looking at each other like, why didn’t you cover that? Instead of taking responsibility for a breakdown.
I wonder sometimes if the coaches see what fans see watching it on tv. Because it is so bad that you get past the point of frustration and begin seeing it as a given that the defense as a whole, but particularly the back end, will routinely give up huge chunks of ground. As a fan, I have zero confidence that the defense can protect a lead that the offense has just killed themselves to produce.
It has to be maddening as hell, as an offensive player, to watch that garbage, game in and game out.
Bloozer
There's too much talent
on the defense to suck this bad. I hope Fewell isn’t a giant next year
agreed
the kinds of issues they’re having screams “Coaching” problems. Fewell is still rushing three linemen regularly, even though it is never successful.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Dec 13, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Manning as league MVP?
I love what he has done this year, but let’s be real… Rodgers is just destroying the football universe with his play, No one else should be coming even close to his MVP title this year.
Ditto
To even talk about anyone else is just a wasted column. There can be a great conversation about who is #2. But that’s it. So let’s start a campaign for Eli as runner-up MVP.
by Maryland Fan on Dec 13, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Brady will get #2 because the media loves him more
Tight race between Eli and Brees for #3
Apparently ESPN loves Brady more, too.
Eli’s week 13 QBR – 45.6, ranked 22nd for the week! What exactly are they calculating? The stat that calculates all of a QB’s contributions to his team’s scoring and winning and summarizes them on a scale of 0-100, with 50 being AVERAGE!
"Allie Sherman wrecked the Giants!" - my 5th grade bus driver
QBR is a joke
and shouldn’t be taken as a serious rating system
QBR was made up by BSPN
It’s a FN joke. Enough said
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Yes
“Eli Manning’s contribution to his team’s scoring and winning v. Dallas – BELOW AVERAGE!!!!”
"Allie Sherman wrecked the Giants!" - my 5th grade bus driver
Bspn has brass balls
They make up this BS system and then tell the viewers to treat it like the gospel FU Bspn and your make believe QBR! I believe in Santa Clause more then that pile of Shite System.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Personally I like the Peter King system
He watches the game, he sees what we see, and declares Eli to be the MOST CLUTCH QB in the league, period. I’ll take that over “Sack EPA” and every other nonsense category that goes into the QBR.
I’d like to think of myself as a reasonably intelligent man, and I have no idea how the qbr’s categories quantify anything.
"Allie Sherman wrecked the Giants!" - my 5th grade bus driver
Well, the year to date list does have the 'chize almost last
So it go that part right
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
They must of factored in Brady's argument with his coach...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Week 14 should be higher.
Though 13 was a joke since Rodgers had a 92 rating. Somehow, in a 38-35 loss, Rodgers was twice as good as Eli was…even though Eli led the Giants straight down and got a TD when they needed it late in the 4th. But of course, its Eli’s fault that the defense sucks.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 13, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
hey, if tebow get credit for the defensive turnaround in DEN
shouldn’t it be Eli’s fault that the giants D blows?
my mistake, good sir.
Eli sux.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 13, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Makes sense
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
If Tebow is so powerful why is he playing football?
Why doesn’t he “out work” cancer or solve world hunger “because he wants it more” or create world peace “cuz he’s a winner”?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
One of my friends said next year
the Bronco schedule will include
Patriots
Packers
War
Famine
Poverty
Chargers
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Lol - tough to go undefeated with that schedule
How about He actually beats a starting QB first?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Sanchez
…lol
Team Juggernaut: Jacobs, Hynoski. No one is safe
I stand by my question - lol
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
what Calab Henne is not a number 1 QB?
lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed..Rodgers is on fire..but Eli ranks as a top three QB...
And certainly is our team MVP.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
look at the talent around Rodgers
He has the same team from the superbowl and then some…Eli working with a lot of new talent that wouldn’t be as good as you might think with out him
by omfGIANTS on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Question is: what does MVP mean? Is there a difference between best player (Aaron Rogers) and MVP to a team that does not have all the capabilities.
Doing more with less seems to me to be a better measure of MVP. AR certainly is the best QB and player in the NFL. Could he do what he does with a lesser cast of supporting characters? Very probably.
Eli is MVP of the NFC East.
The good news: Eli does not seem to care about those kinds of awards. He just loves to play the game and win the close ones!
The best player is obviously the most valuable
by The Cole Train on Dec 13, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
not always
The most valuable player makes players around him better.
The best player may just be a stats monster.
That's why I've been petitioning for Manning to win the MVP
Peyton Manning…look at his team without him…no other QB could even scrape together a win.
In trying to scramble out of a hole, it sometimes digs it deeper. ~Wellington Mara
I always root for the defense. ~Wellington Mara
Elite QB?
NFL QB’s in order
Rodgers
Brees
Eli
Brady-(don’t think he is nearly as good on any other team in a different system and Eli has a winning record agaisnt him what other QB can say that?)
Different system?
2007 was a clearly different offensive scheme. Brady has been performing at this level for years now.
by The Cole Train on Dec 13, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
Matt Cassell didn’t look too bad in that system. I agree that Brady might not be the same player in a different uniform. I still think he is a top notch QB, but the system/team helps a lot. He has one of the best pass protection lines year in/year out.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
i hate the Cassel comparison
that Pats team Cassel got was the team that just came off an 18-1 season (aka a great, all-time team).
usually Brady doesn’t have that type of team. Brady is a beast and would be incredible anywhere. Until Eli wins 2 more SB’s theres no way he can be ranked higher sorry.
I don't necessarily agree
that Eli is better than Brady. But I do believe the Pats amazing O line does make Brady look great. I don’t know if he’d be the same otherwise. Eli is proving he is pretty awesome behind a terrible line. And like it or not, Brady’s backup came in and played pretty well. What has Peyton Manning’s backup done filling in for him? You can’t tell me that team has nothing to do with Brady’s success. And by your own argument, you are saying Brady isn’t really that good. He just had that awesome 2007 season because he was surrounded by one of the all-time great teams.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
P.S.
The same arguement could be made for Joe Montana. He always played on one of the all-time greatest teams for his whole career. Steve Young came in and played even better. Is that just a coincidence?
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
P.P.S
your argument that Brady might not be the same in another uniform can be made for any QB ever. Would Rodgers be having this season on the Browns? No. Would Eli be having this season on the Jaguars? No. To make arguments over hypothetical scenarios that will never have an answer is unfair to every QB. you judge them by what they’ve done in REALITY and in REALITY Brady is a monster.
I don't believe that is true
When you look at the talent around a given QB and what he did with it. Dan Marino had no running game in Miami his entire career. He was that offense. Elway didn’t have the most awesome team ever when he took that team to 3 SBs on his back. Aaron Rodgers played behind a terrible O line last year (i think he was sacked more than any other QB), plus GB had more guys on IR than anybody, and he still took them to the SB. Peyton Manning turned a loser into a winner all by himself. Now that he is gone they are a loser again. Eli’s O line is terrible but he is on pace to almost break Marino’s single season passing yards mark. But we know when Brady went down, his backup came in and still won 11 games with that team. That HAS to say something. Miami and Denver still haven’t recovered from losing Marino and Elway, yet when Brady went down, his team still won 11 games.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
There are so many errors in that explanation I don't know where to start
Marino had a running game. Not going to break down his entire career, but let’s take the 1984 Dolphins that went to the Superbowl. They had a 3RB system that ended up with almost 1700 yards at 4.5 yards/carry. Marino had great pass protection as well. His defense stunk.
Elway had great defenses during the 3 SB trips in the 80’s/early 90’s.
Rodgers had a terrible o-line, a great defense and great receiving options. My argument that if you put him in a Browns uniform, the outcome is different, remains unchanged.
Peyton carries his team but he had a great OL for many years, a great RB for many years, always has great WRs and here and there a good defense.
Eli is the tied for 3rd to last sacked QB in the league so the pass protection is actually top notch.
Again, when Brady went down, the team won 11 games because it was an all time great team. He normally doesn’t have a team like that, especially when he won 3 Superbowls.
I really don’t know what to tell you when most of your points aren’t accurate.
OK... Some Facts.
If Elway had such great defenses, why did his team get blown out in all 3 of those SBs that he carried his team to?
If Marino had such a great running game, why is it that was all I heard about the Dolphins in the 80s and 90s? “If Marino only had a running game to take the pressure off of him…”
Sacks are not the only measure of bad pass protection. Eli throws the ball away rather than take a sack. How many times has he been pressured, hurried, flushed? Lots. Any analyst will agree Giants pass protection is not good.
The Patriot’s resurgance (it was only 3 years since they won their division), began with Belichich becoming coach. They’ve been great as long as he’s been there, regardless if Brady was healthy or not.
Brady missed an entire season. His team won 11 games.
Manning missed an entire season. His team has won zero games.
Brady’s replacement, who won 11 games with NE, has not come close to producing that type of season in KC.
Drew Brees has had tremendous success with two different teams.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a second
Steve Young took 4 years to win a Super Bowl with that great team. So its really the other way around. Montana made everyone else better on that team and in that system. And the only reason the Giants won the 2 super bowls they won is because they knocked Montana out of the game. The guy is greatest of all time because of how long he did it for and when he went to KC he had that team one game from the SB with WR that dropped balls left and right. No one can ever convince me Young was better than Montana.
Any stat you look at
will probably point to Young being “better”. Also the team that Young took over was already starting to fracture a bit through free agency and age. Free agency is also something Montana didn’t have to deal with in his career. He had the same solid unit together for a decade.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Well
Free agency didnt really get of the ground until 93-94 and they won in 94. Stats dont mean s__t to me when its comes to clutch QB play. Like Rivers and Eli who would you rather have? Rivers b4 this year of course, had all these gaudy numbers and won nothing. So I ask you to watch the film of Montana in his prime and then tell me what you see not whats on a stat sheet.
River's "team"
was actually LT’s team when that team was great. And the one year they were clearly the best team in the league they should have beaten the Pats and probably should have gone to the SB. But his team choked up that victory, not him. Every year since, he has done everything in his power to keep that team afloat despite how badly AJ Smith manges it or how badly Norv coaches it. Trust me, I’ve been watching it first-hand as I live in SD. Eli definitely has the better talent and organization around him. That’s exactly why his father would not allow him to play in SD. The organization is a joke. Rivers is a pretty damn good QB and SD is lucky to have the guy.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you.
And that’s all I have to say about that.
You mean that great SF TEAM won 5 superbowls.
Montana I recall won 4. Plus Terry Bradshaw also won 4 superbowls but why doesn’t anybody call him the greatest of all time. Because the Steelers were such an amazing team? Well they didn’t win any super bowls after Bradshaw left. SF did… enough said.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
right, my mistake 4.
i’m no longer going to argue with you if you think steve young is better than joe montana. its just not even close to correct.
Right. Because...
the SB argument is ridiculous. Unless you want to agree that Bradshaw is every bit Montana’s equal.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I Take it you never
watched Montana in his prime? So 4 Super bowls in instead of 5 and really it would have been 6 if the Giants didnt knock him out in 86 and 90. The guy could look left and throw right sometimes with out even looking and the ball was there. Accurate like Brady. Playaction and your jock was on the goal post the damn camera man was faked out. And in the hurry up? who do think Rodgers, Peyton, Eli, Brady learned by watching film from? It wasnt Young I can assure you of that. Rodgers and Brady said Montana were their idols growing up. Not Young and that Horse Tooth Jack Ass Elway.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Elway by the way
got his team to 5 super bowls. More than Montana. And that’s right, Montana got knocked out of the playoffs once he got out of his cupcake division. Giants beat him 49-3 and then for good measure went to SF and beat him with a backup QB. Again, not saying he wasn’t great. Just think his team and the system he played in was so dominant that you have to take that into consideration when rating the best of all time.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
you are missing the point
He got knocked out by the giants only! It took Young 4 years to win 4! If the team was so great why didnt he just come in and win? 4 years is forever in the NFL. As far as Elway I cant stand and I’m tired of hearing how he was better that Montana and how he had no running game and no this and that. The truth of the matter was he was out played in the 80’s by superior teams and coaching. And in 98 the Jests should have beat them.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
So if he only lost because he got knocked out by the Giants
What were the reasons he didn’t win in the other 5 years he was the starter in SF when the Giants didn’t knock him out? There were many years when he played for one of the best teams of all time, in an offensive system that nobody had ever seen before and most defenses did not know how to stop, and he still didn’t win. Young came in and had better stats and he had to go up against a superior team in Dallas in the playoffs. Montana didn’t always win every year he got in the playoffs. The Giants, Redskins and Bears won 6 combined SBs during Montana’s stretch. So like Young, there were more years than not that he didn’t win. And you admit you have a personal bias against Elway instead of judging him objectively. The guy was great and yes, you prove my point. He got beat by better teams when he got to the SB. It was amazing that he got that under-talented team to the SB three times to begin with. More of an accomplishment than Montana with the loaded team he had.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Please dude....
Why is Young better than Montana? Tell me? and you made my point the competition level was much higher than when Young played the rest of the league was a mess during free agency. Dallas was sick due to the Walker trade. I judge Elway by the way he played in those 3 SB and his team got crushed!
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I actually believe
that the competition level in the NFL goes up and has gone up every single year, as more guys compete for the same jobs that keep going up and up in value. Guys train harder, they are bigger, stronger and faster each and every year. I just don’t think young had the consistent level of talent around him that Montana had. Maybe I’m off base. But he did come into the same system Montana played in and did it better. That’s what the stats say. The SBs to me are more a measure of the team. Look at the QBs who won the SB during Montana’s time. Theismann, Rypien, Williams, Hostetler, Simms, McMahon. Those are not HofF QBs but they won SBs. The 49ers were the most dominant team in Montana’s time. Yes there were other dominant teams too. Maybe they won more because Montana is better than those QBs I mentioned. I never argued that. But when Young took over, SF was no longer the dominant TEAM. Dallas had taken that spot by then and it was difficult for Young to get his team past that. But he did it in 94. I think incidentally that was the year the 49ers loaded up on talent again with Deion, etc. So when he had the talent (like Montana did), he won.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well said
I agree now over the last 10 years the game has gotten way faster and better. I just never felt that SF was this stacked team during the 80’s. They just had good players in a perfect system and very well coached.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
They did have
a great system and great coaching and great ownership and management. They were THE class organization in all of football. And they had a great QB to lead their stable of great players. Was he the greatest? Well that’s the debate. I never thought so. A lot of other people do. It’s a good distraction from regular life I guess to argue about it and that’s about all.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
But answer me why?
Why dont you think he is the greatest? you just think the team was stacked? I know we have been going over this for an hour and maybe you said it already LOL. But why?
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Again
because I think other guys have done more with less. I think the team wasn’t as good compared to the competition when Young was leading them, but he still had the better numbers. You look at what Peyton and Elway and Marino (or even Jim Kelly) did with less talent or teams that were not really as dominant (although Jim Kelly really had a super talented team – I think that team just had a black cloud over them in the SB cause they were great). You look at Miami or Denver or Indy even now. Look what happened when their HofF QBs left. They still really have never recovered. But Montana leaves and it was almost like, ok no big deal, we just plug in this guy Young and he puts up better numbers and wins a SB too. And then young leaves and Jeff Garcia comes in and is a pro-bowl QB in that system (exactly, Jeff fucking who?) LOL To me that is the argument. Was the system so good in SF, is it so good in NE that it doesn’t matter who you put in there, they will succeed.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Good Point
But Young was there for like 8 years behind Montana. Maybe its just preference that I just like the way Montana played the position and when he was on the field he could beat you no matter what.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well
This is probably one of my all time favorite arguments, the best qb ever. Thanks for the debate and keeping it classy… to Badshaw too. I think I need to work now though haha. Let’s focus on something we can all agree on… beat the Skins!!
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
On a final note
I know you hate him but just so you know, I think Elway is the best and I am no Denver fan. Loved seeing Giants destroy him in SB but if I had to start a team, I’d pick him. He might not be the best in any category, but I think all around he is as good as you can get. I think he had football smarts, master of the comeback, clutch, cannon arm, but not a careless gunslinger like Favre, as mobile as you can want, able to escape danger and cause panic. Took his teams to 5 SBs. And in the first 3, without him I don’t know where that team would be. He ran into 3 teams that didn’t care what QB they had. Giants, WA and SF won 10 combined SBs back then with 7 different QBs. Denver without Elway would have been garbage.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Amen on the debate I enjoyed it as well
I just couldnt take his face dude that horse tooth look used to drive me nuts and he just seemed like an arrogant d__k Quit that dead end job its overated! LOL..enjoy bro.
Incidentally
That sounds like it could be the exact description of the Patriots right now. And that was really my point. Montana and Brady played in a great system for a great coach and ownership/organization.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on Brady
Plus when you videotape the D for 7 years it helps. To me Montana proved how great he was when he went to KC with that collection of slugs and beat Elway in that great MNF game. And had them a game from the SB and he was beat up and old by then.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give you that
he was good in KC and Brady would probably be good somewhere else too. But in another system on another team, do they win those 7 SBs and if not, then nobody is talking about them as GOAT. It just feels to me like Marino, Elway and Peyton would have done it no matter where they went.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
And it is funny
that everybody just ignored the Bradshaw comparison. Because you know if you want to talk only SB wins as the measure of greatness, you have to have Bradshaw in the conversation and that destroys your argument.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
And...
Young came in and played with the same team and his stats were superior all around to Montana’s. That is a fact. They dynasty was already in decline when he took over. How many years were they really competitive after that last SB that Young took them to?
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Also
Young had to deal with the Dallas dynasty once he became the starter. I seem to remember some epic clashes in the playoffs between Young and Aikman. The Cowboys were just a young, powerful team then while the 49ers where in their second decade as a dominant team and probably not as dominant as they had been in their prime.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Now that is a good point
you are right there the Girls were really good during that time and had probably one of the best O lines ever. But again Montana had to deal with the Bears, Giants, Foreskins and the Eggs who all had monster defenses so I have to say a little harder then just one team.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
He won 1 SB
In epic, historical fashion.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think he registered
6 TD in that game….
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Great game no question
But again against the Chargers and Humphries playing QB on the other side.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
It was the best team the AFC had to offer
And Young demolished them. The NFC was regularly beating up on every team the AFC could send to the SB back then.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Montana was QB
in SF basically from 80-90. What happened the other years in the playoffs? Why shouldn’t he have won 8 or 9 super bowls? Giants didn’t knock him out in 80, 82, 83, 85 and 87.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
dude, that comment is so
Preposterus I cant comment
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
And your comment
That Montana “should have won 6 SBs” is not preposterous? I was just playing off your own words dude. 49ers got destroyed in 86 by the Giants in playoffs and then got beat at home by the Giants backup QB in 90. How is that, “he was supposed to win 6”? That is ridiculous. Every time a team gets beat in the playoffs they were actually supposed to win the SB?? I’ve never heard such a crazy comment.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
No its not..
They had one of the best teams in the league and they already won 2 in a row 88-89 dude. So please….lets leave it at this why is young better than Montana? I told you why Montana is better than Young. and dont say stats and Bradshaw nonsense.
it took Young 4 years to win with that team period.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
You don't even realize
my comment that you call preposterous was actually me being facetious because of your ridiculous comment that Montana should have won six… if he didn’t get beat in the playoffs by the Giants twice. What?? Really?? LOL
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
The Dallas Juggernaut?
They were 10-6 in 91 and not in the playoffs I believe. An identical win total incidentally that Montana had in 4 of his seasons in SF.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
and then i followed up saying he had a great 2007 season team
by saying he usually doesnt have a team like that. he won 3 super bowls with teams worse than that. he won 3 super bowls without a legit/elite receiver. sure he has great pass protection, hes still a monster regardless. also eli has had good-to-great pass protection all year, the run blocking was the problem.
peyton is an entirely different and unrelated issue. if comparing elite QBs with peyton, he is ahead of both of them.
Brady might be awesome.
He has certainly done great things with NE. But that team has been good for a long time. That team went to the SB not long before Brady even played for them. Parcells laid the ground work for a great team and Bellichick took it from there. Steve Young wasn’t any world beater for a horrible Tampa team but became one of the best ever on a great SF team. You can’t ignore that they have the best pass protection in football every year. You can’t ignore that Cassell did come in and have good success (and he doesn’t look all that great in KC). That’s all. I just think there is a legitimate question mark there with Brady.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
the team went to a SB 5 years before Brady started
which equals a lot of turnover. 5 years is a long time in the NFL (our team is a lot different then the 2006 team). Some good players were still on the team sure, but to say that Tom Brady inherited a good team because they went to the SB 5 years ago is not accurate. Their pass protection was NOT great during the early Brady years. The pats don’t win 3 superbowls without brady. the pats started 0-2 in their first superbowl year with bledsoe (he got hurt in the 4th and brady came in the 2nd game).
And then Bledsoe
came back in and guided them to a victory in the AFC championship game didn’t he? The Giants started their SB year in 2007 with 2 losses too. sometimes it takes a team a bit to gel. I’m not saying Brady is not a great QB or that Montana isn’t a great QB. I just think, because of the great teams they play (played) on, they may not be as great as everyone gives them credit for. And those NE teams in the early 2000 were great solid teams. just because they were not offensive juggernauts does not mean they were not great teams.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
yeah he did, so he went 1-2 including playoffs
and brady went 13-3 including playoffs.
Taking away credit from Brady or Montanta because they had “great” teams is a joke.
Then give Terry Bradshaw credit
He should be in the discussion with just Montana as the greates all time. 4 super bowls. Awesome team – but that shouldn’t matter. It was his greatness that got them those 4 titles.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
bradshaw does get credit, but not on the level of montana because montana was clearly better and played in a different era
and i’m not denying that brady and montana had great teams. your argument is that their teams/systems make them overrated, which is false.
How is that a false arguement?
The system in NE obviously made Cassell overrated. What did he get as a starter after his 11-5 season in NE? 50 Million?? Would you ever pay 50 million for Matt Cassell??
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn't the argument.
The argument was that teams/systems made 3-time SB winning QB Tom Brady and 4-time SB winning QB Joe Montana overrated.
The system can make the QB overrated
It doesn’t matter who the QB is.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Cassel, yeah probably overrated
but $50 million…theres much worse QBs who get more than that. and Cassel had a good year in KC last year. but I never said Cassel wasn’t overrated, I simply argued that he wasn’t the complete garbage you were making him out to be.
Ok
I’ll take that. But because he was overrated after playing a season with a great team, couldn’t that put a hint of doubt into the greatness of Tom Brady? I know you will say no. We will have to agree to disagree I suppose.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
No. And I understand your side of the argument and appreciate the good debate we're having BTW
but my point is, Cassel came into a team that was nearly 19-0 the previous season with the best overall WR of his era (Moss) and the best possession WR of his era (Welker). Brady had those players the previous season as well and won 7 more games.
The 2007/2008 Pats teams were great, no doubt about it, but those teams were the exception in Brady’s career, not the rule. One 11-5 season without him, after he already won 3 Superbowls, does not put in doubt in me about him at all.
I appreciate the debate as well
And you make some good points. Yes Brady had 7 more wins but he also had those great teams. And no most of those teams were not the offensive juggernaut that they have become but they were still great teams. Would Brady be able to do in Indy what Peyton has done? Would he even do what Eli has done (3 straight 4000 yard seasons by the way, which Brady has never even done in NE) in NY? I have my doubts.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
My point at the beginning of that post
with his 7 more wins is, yes of course he is a better QB than Cassell. That was never the question.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
right, the argument was that Brady is overrated because of his coach/team/system
and the major point behind that argument is that Cassel won 11 games with NE.
You are, perhaps, overstating the signficance and I am, perhaps, understating the significance of Cassel’s season. I just don’t think that should be used to slight Brady’s ability as a QB. I think its wrong to essentially call him a system QB and I think he would succeed anywhere (maybe not to the same degree).
You are probably right
I probably am understating Brady’s abilities. Maybe because he plays for the Pats or I’m not a big fan of his. He is a great QB. He’d probably be really good on any team. I guess until proven otherwise, he probably has earned the benefit of the doubt.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think I just hate the SB argument
I think QBs in most cases (not all) get way too much credit and I don’t like it when they are judged by mostly how many rings they have. Football is way too much a team sport for that. There have been many great teams that have won the SB without a HofF QB.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Different Era indeed
Montana had the luxury of playing in a revolutionary offensive system that nobody had seen and nobody understood how to stop. That isn’t the system helping him to greatness??
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
helped sure, but he would've been a great QB in any system
and his leadership and clutchness can be quantified. Bradshaw also had the luxury of having Lynn Swann, John Stallworth and Franco Harris and his statistics were not even close to Montana’s.
Bradshaw gets his credit for winning SBs but he doesnt get mentioned in the same breath as Joe Cool because he wasn’t as good.
But as you said, different era
Offensive numbers have skyrocketed since the 80s as offenses have gotten more complex and rules changes have made defense harder to play. I can’t remember how much that had an effect back in Montana’s day but I do believe the game was more geared towards running in Bradshaw’s day. Look at Montana’s stats even. He played in that revolutionary system of offense and his career stats aren’t near the top. He hovers around #10 in most categories. Hell Vinny Testaverde’s career stats are similar to Montana’s, minus the SB rings.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Vinny Testaverde played 21 seasons. Montana played 15.
Testaverde is only comparable in volume stats because he played longer. Passer rating, completion percentage, interception percentage etc its note even close.
and if you are going to argue that Montana played in revolutionary era, then you had to mention that the 1990s were even more pass heavy, the 2000s more pass heavy than that, the 2010s more pass heavy than that, so a lot of these guys ahead of montana in the lists pass more as well.
Yeah I know
that was my point. Lots of guys who may not be better than Montana have better career numbers because everything is more pass-happy. Just as Montana may have better stats than Bradshaw because things were more pass-happy in Montana’s day.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I look at the way he
played the position. The technique and how smooth and easy he made it look. I always say Montana is the goat. But Peyton as a QB size, strength, football IQ is the best ever. Maybe thats a contradiction I dont know its just the way I look at it.
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
right, so the fact that montana is still so high on the list efficiency wise
is a testament to his greatness
He is great
just not the greatest IMO, and certainly not just because he has 4 SB rings. But you guys are right, he was smooth and efficient. He wasn’t known as Joe Cool for nothing.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
So please dont tell me you
think Elway is the goat?
by NYG86-90-07 on Dec 13, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
and the fact that you actually wrote these words is insane
I just think there is a legitimate question mark there with Brady
The question mark
is basically, could he really carry a bad team. Could he be the guy who completely turns a team around. Was he the reason for success in NE or was it Belichick? Obviously, given his circumstances, he has done great. Can’t take that away from him. I just wonder if he’s as good as the other “greats” or was it more his circumstances that made him as good as he’s been. I think that is a legitimate question that is not there with Peyton, Brees or even Rodgers in my opinion. There are certain teams with great systems who can succeed regardless of QB. Giants have been to 4 SBs with 4 different QBs. Redskins won every one of their SBs with different QBs. Patriots since the Parcells/Belichick era, have been to SBs with different QBs and have had success even when their “great” starter went down. It’s not an insane question to have with Brady.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Thats not a question for most people
Belichick, one of the best coaches ever, no question.
However, Belichick’s 1st season with the Pats, with Bledsoe at QB, went 5-11 and finished last in the divison. Next year, Brady comes in and wins a SB.
So, could he be a guy who completely turns a team around? Yes, since did it already.
That's a good point
The real question comes from the success they had when Brady went down. If NE stunk that year, I would not have any reservations about him at all. There’s just that small nagging question because of that one season.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
and one season where he tore his ACL and his backup played well in relief
should not build a career question mark for him. thats my point.
But it does for me
because we see how bad Indy is without Peyton. I can’t imagine how bad the Giants would be this year without Eli. I can’t even imagine the Saints or the Packers being any good without their QB. And I know there is plenty of conjecture there. I just will have that doubt about Brady even though as I said, given his circumstances he’s been as great as anybody.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Cassel was 11-5 as the QB in NE
says it all
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and missed the playoffs. Cassel took over a relatively unchanged 18-1 team from the year before.
Cassel had Randy Moss and Wes Welker.
Put Cassel on any of the 3 Superbowl winning teams and he probably doesn’t make the playoffs.
11-5 is 11-5
I’d take that 10/10 years.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
won his division last year
got hurt this year
terrible division
easy schedule too.
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and thats his fault?
had a better passer rating than drew brees and peyton manning last year
not saying hes better than them but he actually did quite well in KC
so your argument kind of combusted
not at all
Cassel wasn’t very good in KC. He didn’t do anything other then dink and dunk.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
27 TDs 7 INTs 93.0 passer rating
if thats not a very good year, idk what else to say
cherry pick away
but here, 6.8yards per attempt. Dinking and dunking, taking it not seriously.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn't the definition of "cherry picking"
be posting yards per attempt, rather then wins as a start (10-5), tds and ints? those are what really matter right?
nope.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
ok. you can take the guy with the best YPA
and i’ll take the efficent QB with a better record.
you can have em
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
and then you factor in the RB had 10yds per catch on 45 receptions
dink and dunk. Dunk and dink. Cassel had the pacifier in the whole season while he lays in his bassinet.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
not his fault
but also the reason why he had all of that.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
pats had an easy schedule when he went 11-5
but thats not the reason why he had all of that. hmm interesting
that division, never easy.
and he really didn’t. But interest away
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
that division, typically always easy actually until the jets resurgence
4 games vs the bills and dolphins in 2010 wasn’t easy? c’mon man you have to do better than that
A bad division, yes.
What if NE had to battle the Ravens every year for the division like the Steelers have to do? Would they have made the playoffs every year? Would they be in the position to win all 3 of those SBs?
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, probably. Brady owns the Ravens and Steelers for the most part
Steelers beat him this year, Ravens beat him in the playoffs that year, but mostly Pats in those games.
nah, I don't
those division games are always tough.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
if playing the bills and dolphins 4 total times every year was tough
then every division in the NFL was tough too by that argument. Miami and Buffalo won a combined 45% of their games from 2010-2011…not exactly tough
the Dolphins went 11-5 and won the division in 2008
the same year Cassel proved the Patriots system can make anyone into a QB.
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They fired Sparano..
But keep Ireland..haha !!..What a joke..That Ross is an idiot..They were playing pretty good with Moore until he got his bell rung..Now it looks like they’ll start JP Loser against Buffalo..If they lose out, they won’t win the suck for luck contest..That team has been a total disaster for a long time..Ross said he wants a younger Don Shula if he can find one..Well Mr. Ross, I hate to tell you this but Don Shula wasn’t all that great either..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Right, so in the other 9 years of that decade
Miam was 68-76.
Over the decade, the Bills were 66-94. The Jets were 80-80. Damn, beating 3 teams that were .500 or worse must’ve been really hard on the Patriots. lol
You use the same, 2008 season as an argument against Brady and that the AFC East is a tough division, while completely ignoring the other 9. Not your best work.
well you're bringing in the entire decade
when we’re talking about one year. You keep trying to change pages, grasping for straws…and I think we’re done here.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You nailed my hidden point..
They just fired a guy who is 29-32..and who’s players love him and was riddled with injuries..is riddled with injuries??..Good luck Dolphins fans..More misery on the horizon..I get extremely beer thirsty when I hear all this jazz about Cowher, Fischer, Gruden, etc..What the hell did they actually do?..The best coach out there right now is Todd Haley..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Well, that's one I give to NE and 80s Niners too
Terrible divisions and easy schedules every year. Which in my opinion is another diminishing mark on Brady’s and Montana’s record. They rarely had much competition to fight through in their own division. The division (plus about 6 wins a year) were almost handed to them. The Colts and Manning at least had the Titans to battle in most years.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
there are no diminishing marks on brady and montana's record
when dealing in reality
But that is reality
they rarely had to battle for their division. Unlike say, the Giants, Cowboys, Redskins and Eagles. It was pretty hard to have a dynasty in that division when any given year, one of those teams was winning or playing in the SB.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
you can nitpick at QBs that have won 7 combined SBs
but once the regular season ended, did they just hand the SB trophies to Montana and Brady? they did have to beat great teams in the playoffs right?
Absolutely
I am not saying they weren’t great QBs. But what if the Giants or Redskins played in the NFC West in the 80s? Do you think SF gets to the playoffs each year? Then they wouldn’t have even had the opportunity to win the SB. Lack of competition during the regular season really bumps their chances of advancing to the SB. It’s like back in the day in baseball when winning the division meant an automatic trip to the world series. Nobody is going to equal the Yankees mark of titles because the struggle to get to the world series is so much greater now. If the 49ers or Patriots had more of a struggle to win their division (like the Redskins and Giants had), maybe they don’t win all thos SBs and then we aren’t even talking about Brady or Montana as best ever. It’s also a legitimate argument.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think they still make the playoffs each year, yes.
Its a matter of opinion and maybe a harder division schedule wears out the 49ers more, but no question they still make the playoffs. It would be worse for the Redskins and Giants to move to the NFC West then it would be for the 49ers.
No question?
The Redskins and Giants won 5 Super Bowls during the 49er dynasty. How can you say that the 49ers would no question make the playoffs every year if they had to battle for the division against one of those opponents?
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Because the Redskins and Giants won 5 during the dynasty between 2 teams
and the 49ers won 4. They were almost always better and had a better QB.
I got
a connection with Pretty Boy Productions…
What venue would you two prefer, Foxwoods,
MSG or Vegas? I hear Vegas has more options?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 13, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
This is a debate not a fight. I appreciate good debate. Badshaw has kept it classy. No shots below the belt.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
They won 5 between them
and they had to battle each other for the division title. If not they each may have won more. And if the 49ers had to battle say the Giants every year (the Giants that beat them 49-3 in the playoffs and beat them on their home field with a backup QB), maybe they wouldn’t have won that division with such regularity. Hell if Montana had to play the Giants (and LT) 2x each year, maybe he would’ve ended up like Joe Theismann.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Funny..it wound up being
Jim Burt who knocked Montana out..BOOM right up the middle..That was the end of him..and that is what won us the playoff..I watched them roll him off the field on a cart..He looked like he couldn’t count to 10..49-3 Giants..I hate to see players get hurt, but it was 1986 and all of us suffered 26 years of misery..That ended my suffering from Post Traumatic Giants Syndrome..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
are ya kiddin
Brady does what he does with a midget and two TE’s those are the big 4 this year but putting them in order or knocking on any of them doesn’t hold any weight
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
They are all great QBs..I'm happy we have one of them..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I must say though that Eli is by far the toughest of the bunch..
Rodger has had so many concussions he forgot his birth date..and Brady is fragile..that why the league made up special rules for him..Eli is a tough tough guy..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ross, Rolle, Grant have got to go bro!
All three look – in every game – OLD AND SLOW as all hell! LB’s have been playing a lot better lately but still. I am sick of seeing Ross chasing wr’s and looing slow as hell and playing as if he’s really NOT TRYING! Rolle and Grat always, but ALWAYS playing out of position! Whatever scheme PF is using I really can not figure it out nor can I put my finger on it.
Someone mentioned this yesterday, can PF not get more creative and use the CB blitz from time to time…I remember seeing CWeb lined up a few times, Sunday, as if he was about to blitz; it brought memories of Spag…But he never did.
Just like Abe Linlcon, once said: I can not tell a lie, I can not put my digit on it!
Keep Rolle
He can be an effective playmaker in the secondary, dude has been playing out of position all year though which is tough on him.
You’re right about Ross and Grant though, those two are worthless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7EwHVOescY
I dont mind that
Its when he stops and plays is what concerns me.
Gotta keep Rolle
He has been a willing workhorse for the better of the team……he could have been selfish but he hasnt been.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
What position should Rolle be playing?
I keep hearing this. He only seems any good in run support. In pass support and when the ball is in the air he’s worthless.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Safety and safety only.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
You mean vs nickel or dime corner?
If so I agree, but he’s still lousy in the passing game no matter what position he’s playing.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yes vs. Nickle, dime or LB hybrid in the box
Nope, he was actually one of the better ball hawks before they started messing with his mind and depth perception.
He is still the same Rolle if you let him play conventional free safety like he was brought in to do.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yeah, but for whatever reason
he hasn’t shown that with the Giants at all. Remember last year when he would take the wrong angle and undercut the deep passes by about 5 yards? Can’t see how that was a coaching issue.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Thats Depth Perception
After you have been in the box 90% of the time, those type of things will happen.
It was alot on his plate.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
TT, Prince, Sash
Rolle’s contract is too big to move but TT, Prince and Sash with full offseasons/camps will improve our secondary greatly next season. Also if they draft a top flight Lb, that will help coverages as well.
What if any young DC's are out there...
LSU’s DC should be good …freaking LSU’s defense looks like they can bring the pain on you. I am going to start paying more attenting to the Bears, Ravens, and 49’rs DCs those will be good candidates as well.
NFL DCs
The Bears Ravens and 49ers DCs will probably not go to another team as a DC. You have to look at the other defensive coaches on their staffs, like how The Giants picked out Spags.
Right, coaches generally don't like to make lateral moves
They like promotions
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
It's a shame but true.
Spags was a great defensive coach, not so much as a HC. Why can’t people just embrace what they are good at and stick with it, rather than constantly trying to move ‘up’ into a position they are not suited for.
a guy like this for DC
http://www.49ers.com/team/coaches/jim-tomsula/7aae50af-6ec6-40de-bc04-5b6059daacd5
Jim Tomsula is in his fifth season with the 49ers as the team’s defensive line coach, after having also served as San Francisco’s interim head coach for the final game of the 2010 season.
Sounds great!!
Now if we can only get someone in the Giants front-office to force TC to make a change.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Changing TC sounds more like the move to me...
It’s pretty obvious to me that his knack for choosing a great coaching staff is not his strong point at all. This is our 4th DC under TC and 3 of them completly SUCKED. Not counting the strength and conditioning coach along with the special teams coach, and that spells walking papers in my opinion
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 13, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's from San Jose so the job offer better be pretty damn sweet to come all the way to NY.
And I know, I know, we’re the Giants, who wouldn’t want to come.
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No more score predictions...
simplify
take away complex zone reads that leave room for error, at this point with as many gaffes as we have seen, it’s time to trust your athletes to stop thinking about making plays and make plays.
And as I have been preaching for a while now… Embrace the shootout mentality.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Giants D
If the players don’t get the system after 2 year, either we have the dumbest football players in the NFL playing in our secondary, or PF is a horrible football coach who has a bad system. I lean towards the latter. I would LOVE to see a new DC next year. Either a ex-DC who was fired as a HC (because he was probably a stud DC to get the HC gig to begin with), or an assistant from a team that has one of the best Ds in football (like Spags was at the time we hired him). The defense is unacceptable the way it is. I hope the Giants brass forces Coughlin to make a change.
"Football Intelligence"
I called Sunday’s game the Dufus Bowl because of how many dumb players the Giants and Cowgirls have.
I think Reese needs to take football intelligence more seriously in his drafting. Goff is an example of an intelligent football player and his intelligence was missed on the field this season.
I agree
I was thinking that last night. I would rather have a bunch of intelligent, driven guys out there playing as a team, than a collection of dumb super-athletes. Although I don’t think we have either. We have a group of dumb, mediocre athletes… and a horrible DC.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Boley too...
he was a sight for sore eyes last night. The only guy in the back 7 who looks like he knows what he’s doing. Wish Blackburn was out there more with him.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
It is not about style points...
says Canty, no concerns there Chris….“The Sieve” is not scoring on that front, LOL!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
victor and manningham are going to be open all day against that D
revis vs nicks is going to be a great battle too
Jake Ballard has to have a big game.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
ALOT WEAKER
Jim was a huge loss, dont be fooled.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Naw its huge
Didnt say they cant survive without him……Baltimore survived without Ed Reed last year but would you say him going down wasnt huge??
Jim Makes things alot easier for them especially in adefense predicated on coverage, there rarely is ever a communication breakdown because of him. Breakdowns this team is all too familiar with.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I hope Rexy looks at the numbers and puts Revis on Cruz
would be hilarious
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The Coach
has “grave concern” well I would too, if they don’t improve, they will be digging yours!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha!!!!!!!!..rec'd
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
To be fair...
We have played some great offensive teams the last several weeks. Not many teams are stopping GB, and NO when they play in the dome. And Dallas has as many weapons/talent on offense as anyone (they just shoot themselves in the foot all the time). But I still think PF sucks. He has no idea how to use the personnel that he has and his game plans and schemes are laughable at times.
Word.
Have you noticed, how PF basically sends a text to the opposing team when he is going to blitz., as drunk – thanks to Blue Moon and Tarantula shots, went all Blue on that – as I was I knew when the blitz was coming and he did nothing to disguise it! Mind boggling bro, mind boggling
I know
I am jealous when I see other team’s blitz packages, where they come from, how they are disguised. PF looks like a moron out there. "OK. I’m going to blitz. Let’s bring an extra LB up to the LOS. Dude should be coaching in the HS ranks.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah..he should send them out there with card board signs that say BLITZ!!
And put arrows on them to ensure the other team knows which way they are coming..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Still too many questionable moves on the defensive side of the ball.
Versus Dallas, I saw Tollefson drop back into coverage, receivers running past our db’s 3 yards off the line of scrimmage untouched, major blown coverages, the 3 man rush, safeties lining up in another zip code, etc. No aggression, no dictating the action, just soft, semi-prevent schemes that DO NOTHING to slow down the opponent.
Is this really the plan moving forward. Something else MUST be dialed up, regardless of the personnel at this point.
"Allie Sherman wrecked the Giants!" - my 5th grade bus driver
A new DC
must be dialed up. PF is out of his element as an NFL DC. Or should i say, out of his league. He could probably be a good HS coach or something.
by NYStateofMind on Dec 13, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
PF is coaching for his job right now
Secondary improves: we make the playoffs, maybe make a run
Secondary stays the same/declines: we maybe make the playoffs, no chance at a run
To comment on Smith being done for the year, we turn to Ollie...Ollie?
“He can’t walk!”
Thanks Ollie
What I don't get about our zone D ...
is it is supposed to be about preventing the big play … Yet it doesn’t, and it makes converting all of those 3rd downs easier, too.
Best play of the Dallas game was when we put on the pressure, Ross missed the jam on Austin, but Romo still couldn’t hit it to ice the game. Pressure works. Nothing else comes close.
Fewell deploys 'The Mo, Larry and Curly' coverage scheme...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
What a lost year for Tuck.
Poor guy just cannot get healthy. He’s had one impact game all season, and it was against Green Bay, not surprisingly when he said he finally felt healthy. It’s a shame to see him giving whatever he’s got out there with nothing to show for it. I really don’t miss Osi a ton, but the combo of both Tuck and Osi on the shelf is not a good one. Tollefson is not a starter. If I’m not mistaken, he started week 1 against Washington and was a major part of the non-pressure we put on Grossman.
Oh please
Any other player we would be screaming please take him out……Osi played with more pain and still was somewhat effective but people gave him hell. lets be objective and treat people the same, Tuck needs to sit his ass down. Tolly was way more effective.
I love Tuck to death but i hate the tough guy act when its hurting the team, Please bench him.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Oh I agree, Tuck's not bringing anything to the table.
I wouldn’t mind him missing time in the state he’s in, I’m just saying it’s a shame to see what he’s gone through this year considering the production and leadership he’s provided for several years now. And to be fair we have no idea whether he or Osi has played through more pain. Tollefson is very effective, as a backup. 50+ snaps, not so much.
Tuck
But Tuck was useless against the Cowboys. He should not have been out there. When Tollefson was out there the pressure did increase.
I am not convinced Tuck will ever be himself again.
If Ware didn't get whacked with a stinger, Jenkins suffering a limp arm..
And McMurray going down..We’d all be depressed and bitching this week..It will be curious to see if Jones can hold up with a full workload for three weeks..Personally I don’t think he can..by the time we see them again they will be a hurting unit..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Thats alot of IF's
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I noticed Jerruh Jones
He wasn’t sporting those big horse teeth anymore…no wonder he knew how to chew his way out of a bad situation with those teeth.
i like
the idea of resting Tuck this game and playing Osi. let Tuck be a bit healthier (he won’t be 100%) for the Jets game. i’m sure Tuck would at least be very motivated for that one
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
I would run screens to Osi's side all day if he plays.
RB screens, WR screens, TE screens, QB screens, Center screens…all kinda screens mixed in with quick slants and quick hitches.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 13, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Mix in a couple runs off RG
and you’ve got yourself a 500 yard day
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 13, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't look good this week for Osi...They are saying his ankle is getting worse not better..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yea...Just play Tolly
Or put Kiwi down…… and let Chase, Williams and Boley play LB. there are other viable options.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Was just about to post that again.
Saw Kiwi at end towards the end of the game. Please Perry, put Mathias back on the line.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
question
did you see him do anything when he was on the line?
Look, i know Kiwi has issues in space but when every one is healthy he’s the 4th DE on this team.
This notion that he’s not being used properly is not accurate IMO. He could be on the field as a LB or could be on the bench as a DE.
Fire Fewell
I think it was just for a play or two, pretty hazy at that point
And no, I did not see much but give him the starting spot with a week of reps and I forsee good things. Yes he seems to be improving as a LB but as Gates pointed out, Boley, Williams, Blackburn seem like they can handle the job. Also think Tuck needs to heal.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Boley and JWill are the future
but i believe there is a lot of reps out there for Kiwi….especially as a Joker.
but Fewell is so adverse to blitzing that it’s either DE or every down LB for Kiwi.
Let him blitz up the guy or inside JPP….
instead of putting a S @ LB and dropping back….put a DE @ LB and blitz!
and Kiwi IMO will be a huge asset.
Fire Fewell
He has 3.5 sacks right now.
I believe he would be up in the 10+ range with his hand in the dirt. With Tuck and Osi injured he is our best asset on the line with Tolly as the sub. I’m just so damn frustrated with the gobs of talent on the line and the chaos they caused opposing teams in recent years. This is a game that this defense can dominate and should dominate, if TC and Fewell can just get these guys on the same page.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
damn that sucks then
hopefully something good happens there and Osi can play at least something like 30 snaps
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
FINALLY!!!
Redemption! Now people are comparing Eli to Tebow!! Eli has arrived!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Hahaha!!...Eureka!!..Point at the sky!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Funny you say that
On SportsNation yesterday, Colin Cowherd and Michelle Beddle were talking about Tebows wins and they had a guest on (forgot who it was).
And Beddle kept saying “Tebow is the best QB with 7 mins left” and the guest and Colin just kept jumping in saying “No Eli is” but she was ignoring them.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
That's crazy..this whole Tebow jazz..
I wish him well, but the media is making him a star in a circus…The truth about Denvers recent success is that their whole team is playing better..Tebow has been improving, but as a QB he is still at the suck level…I agree with Orlacher..He’s a good running back..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The Denver D is nasty
Von Miller is such a beast. I like Tebow alot…. he is a gamer, leader and wills his offense to win in the end. But as a QB, I hope he works with Elway in the offseason and improves his throwing motion.
But I think right now, the defense should get more credit for carry the offense for 3 quarters almost every game.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you Miller is an animal..and a major factor in their wins of late..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yes, the defense should get a lot of the credit.
I wasn’t a big Tebow fan at first…indifferent really. Now, I love when he wins because of all the shit he gets. He is the ultimate underdog. I also think the team is player better as a whole because of Tebow. They obviously like the guy and they all have faith (no pun intended) that when they need him that he’ll be there for him.
Also, I think Tebow has gotten into the heads of defenses across the league. It’s almost like they know when Tebow Time starts and they make mistakes or leave openings for him to exploit. Something a sports psychologist should write about.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
"they all have faith"..Hahaha!!!
I think Tebow lulls opposing teams to sleep..He sucks for 55 minutes..but he plays a full 60 minutes..He catches defenses bored and yawning in the last 5 minutes..55 minutes of Tebow has to be torture for a defense..by then they are day dreaming, thinking about what they are going to do after the game..trying to stay awake, praying (no pun intended) for this boredom to just end..Its like when I take the kids to a movie..I sit there looking at my watch, counting the minutes until the movie they picked out just ends so I can get out of there..it is torture..trying to stay awake..then I walk out into the Sun, eyes all bloodshot..trying to remember where I parked the car..
That is Tebows strength..a brutal 55 minute dosage of pure boredom..The only solution is to let the clock run down to 5 minutes and then have the coin toss to start playing the game.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I often wonder what Tebow is thinking when he get down on a knee and points upward..
If it was me, I’d be thinking..“Holy fuck, I got lucky again!!”
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Breakdowns?!?! What Breakdowns?!?!?
I thought Fewell already chalked it up to Injuries?!?!?
let’s not acknowledge the fact that the guy is a DB coach…key words there being “DB” and “COACH” (go figure)
no…it’s injuries to TT, Tryon, and Bruce Johnson to blame!
Fire Fewell
Please just Shut Tuck Down the Dude is a gamer but he is really Banged up
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Yeah..He's not even healthy enough to do $5 Foot-long commercials...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
lol, he still does them
him and Suh
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think they should let our Secondary 'text' using Elderly abbreviations..
I’m working on the list but here are a few:
IFWIW – I forgot where I was
OSDF – Oh shit..depends failure(Touchdown)
IDHYTL- I didn’t hear you.. text louder
DYWTPBT -Do you want to play bingo tonight
DYSHFTKR – Did you see how fast that kid runs
PTG – Pass the Geritol
HHP – Hey he passed
WAI – Where am I
WDYSYNW – What did you say your name was
MFH – My feet hurt
CYCMP – Could you check my pulse
BTCLM – Boy TC looks mad
IPMPOTP – I peed my pants on that play
YGAICU – You go ahead I’ll catch up
I’ll come up with more later..but its a good start..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
by Bobbiblue on Dec 13, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
My favorite :-)
Rec’d hard
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
IGHYTH - I Got Him You Take him (sigh)
Their favorite, I think
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Ha!..good one!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
DYSHFTKR
I like this one
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Right now...
Secondary text- HUTPA- Head Up their proverbial asses. Radio, what Radio?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 13, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
WTFWTCP,WNANDC
What The F* Was That Call Perry ,We Need A New DC
Brilliant as usual BB. You must have been drunk, that is when you do your best work.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Dec 13, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Here's one for our Safeties..
SWSBH – Should we stand back here?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Or Rolle before every game
AIASOCBT – Am I A Safety Or Corner Back Today?
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!!..another one!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
AWPWFTBZOTMDT
Are We Playing “Waiting For The Bus Zone” Or The “Matador Defense” Today?
What’s that Radio….can’t put your finger on it yet?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Haha!!..ICTITRC..I can't tune in the Radio channel...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The Tuck rule.....
He was slow Sunday, and did not even record 1 tackle. I would prefer to see someone healthy out there. Give him a week off and see if it improves.
Ha!!...TPSMH - That pass swelled my hemmiroids
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
ARARAR
Aaron Ross = Aaron Rouse = Andy Reid?
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Andy Reid
IWIHACSRN – I Wish I Had A Cheese Steak Right Now
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!!..I think Reid is OD-ing on the Cheesesteaks..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
all 3 could qualify for the sucking category
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
Deion Grant
HISCB – Hey, is someone cooking bacon ?
MTGBA – My toast got burnt again
Haha!!..good one!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
CCB
CC Brown… that comment itself is scary enough
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
This
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
He's an underwear stain..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The Secondary
SWIGOIRT – So Who Is Going On IR Today?
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions
Or
SWIOIRT – So Who isn’t on IR today?
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
even better
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah..LOL!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Do you think the Giants put the player's names on their helmets with tape in practice?
Like in training camp since they have guys off the street and practice squad playing now.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yeah they are signing up everybody but the homeless...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Actually they are homeless..lol
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Would not surprise me
Team TAWD:
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
They have a meet and greet before each practice
“Hi, my name is Chase and I play linebacker” – ha
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Oh hi..I thought you were a brand of coffee..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yep
TC – “Hey you, yea you, come here. That was a nice play kid. Where did you last play?”
Walk on – “well, I played a little in High School, but that was some time ago”
TC – “Whats your name?”
Walk on – “Just call me Blue”
TC – “Well Blue, You are my boy! Now get out there!”
Some thing like that you think??
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
You're my boy, Blue!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I think I see Blue!
He looks glorious
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
TC to PF after the game Sunday
“Lets go streaking though the quad”
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
erabadies doin it
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Just ring the F*%$@^ bell ya pansy
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Communication??????
Week 15 and we are STILL talking about communication problems in the secondary.Either the players are too stupid or Fewell’s system is too difficult.These are first and second round talent,it is hard to believe they can let people run wild in the secondary,I’m putting this on Fewell,Giunta et al.They have to go!!
The players can't read Braille..Fewell is a blind idiot..
Stevie Wonder could do a better job of seeing what is going on out there..an making adjustments..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
MYATSB - Meet you at the stationary bike.
HPIBTS – His package is bigger than Stokely’s
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM EST reply actions
Hahahaha!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The doctor visits our secondary.."How are you old ladies doing today?"
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Holds up the eye chart sign.....
Asks them to read the first line of letter’s
Response “What sign?”
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Osi has to play
No reason for him not to play with an ankle sprain -
LT played with a separated shoulder
Osi has to stop being a “girlie man”
by GiantFaninColorado on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions
contract
Osi is upset about his contract. Now that he has an “injury” he has an excuse.
Doubt it
He gives it 100% out there all the time. Why are we coming down on Osi again?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
one dimensional
Osi has been overrated in his career.
He is a one dimensional player that plays a high risk style of football. If he doesnt get pressure he is useless.
Overrated or underrated??
You might want to check on that. He wasnt in the top 100 and is never mentioned……thats what you called overrated?
“He is a one dimensional player that plays a high risk style of football”…….. dont bring Lawrence Taylor into this.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he's probably a slightly better
Jason Babin…don’t get me wrong, I love Osi, and I hope he stays, but if not, let’s get some good draft picks please.
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Nope
It does not look good. Maybe if Tuck is out he may give it a go. I think when he is out there he gives it his all. Getting him out there is the problem. I don’t think his head is straight
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are hilarious
Seeing as though the issues he’s played through in the past.
He is just smart enought to know when he is ineffective at the moment.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
We are talking about this year
Right now that is all that matters
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Seems to me like Tuck is the biggest girlie man this season to me
At least Osi has 7 sacks to show for
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 13, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
No Other Choice
If Tuck not healthy, he cannot play. He is a wasted player right now, completely ineffective. Must move Kiwi to LDE, Boley JWill and Blackburn at LB. Defensive scheme must maximize pressure on QB. The way DB’s are playing, receivers are open no matter what, so might as well have them open with max pressure on QB and hope pressure makes it harder to get receivers the ball. They will be open in any case. And let the DB’s play in the positions that best suits their talents – Rolle as a free safety. Dont think Grossman has nearly the poise or accuracy of Romo and his receivers are slower.
DavebrownNOT
by marfar on Dec 13, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Skins receivers are slower. Our guys might just be able to catch them.
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
Move Kiwi to DE and maybe play Canty at DE also and apply pressure
by GiantFaninColorado on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
That works
Canty is probably a better LE than DT anyway.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
RUN
And we should be better against the run as well
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
we are....we went from 23rd in the NFL to 22nd!!!
now we only surrender 4.7 yards per carry and 128 yards per game!
Fire Fewell
Baby steps
don’t want to peak too early – lol
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
If we scale the graph right
I bet we can make it look like a huge improvement
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!!..Remarkable improvement..
And they only had to break a guys ankle to move up a notch.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Then who plays DT?
And not having Canty in the middle will get you gashed with their running game.
DavebrownNOT
Really? like we been getting gashed? even when he's in?
We have Linval, we have Rocky who is still a better DT than Canty IMO. but im fine with Trattou and Tolly rotating at LE since you dont want your precious Canty moved.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Keep JPP at RDE
Canty at LDE
Bernard and Linval at DT.
From week 1, I remember the Skins struggling pretty heavily against stronger dudes. JPP is a mismatch against Trent Williams, and I’m pretty sure Canty can bench press Brown outta the way.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
sigh
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't Silverback suspended for the rest of the season?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants ought to suspend Fewell..
From the Brooklyn bridge..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
what's worse...
giving up a big play….or giving up long methodical drives that kill the clock and sap your D’s energy?
I mean, what do the Giants D do right? Anything?
is there anything we can hang out hats on right now?
Fire Fewell
just our luck....
Fewell had him playing DT/NT for the better part of the season once Osi got healthy
Fire Fewell
Yes...sacks
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
THE OFFENSE!
The best defense for us right now is our offense. Eli is pretty good with drives in the 6 to 7 minute range
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
good call
but in order for this to be 100% accurate they need a running game to get first downs.
BJ
Lets see if he is on a run like the Cowboy game. 6" 4" 268 lbs hurdling Newman, that was awesome. If Bradshaw can take 10 plays, a couple of screen passes, this will be huge down the stretch. I wish the D had the same fire as the offense
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Well..they are good at giving up alot of points..
And we can hang our hats on those new benches that have a built-in hat rack..Plus they are saving alot of money on Gatorade..because they haven’t had to dump a coach with a bucket of it in over 2 years..So look at the bright side…Now, we are at that stage of the season where Radio will meet everyday with his defense and play Christmas music while they come up with their holiday game plans..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
A little side thing about Steve Smith
I believe a lot of Eagle players can’t stand him. I was watching the DJax interiew. And they asked him about an anonomys player saying some things about him and his character. And DJax said, “I heard about that. All I can say is, I hope it wasn’t some receiver who came here and is saying these things because he wants my spot.” I thought this was directed right at Steve Smith. No one, that I saw, followed up on this. I want to know if anyone else noticed this.
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I did not hear that, but right now I'm laughing maliciously right now
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Who cares
Whatever Smith said about DJax was probably right anyway
by GiantFaninColorado on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
He could be talking about
any actual receiver that can catch a ball. If I was DJax-off I would be very afraid.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
i never even heard that...
but I remember hearing earlier in the year that SS said that he and McCoy had still not spoken over their little twitter beef during the off season.
don’t know if that’s still the case (I would hope not…shit they’re grown ass men), but i think it’s safe to say that SS dun F’d up going over there.
Fire Fewell
He messed up his fame and his career in a sense
He will never be loved anywhere like he was here. no more facebook friends, no more starting WR, no more great following. Horrible mistake but hey its the cards he was dealt in his mind.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I think grown ass men
is giving a lot of these guys too much credit.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
I saw that too but you have to remember this is D jax talking
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
here's the exact exchange:
Michael Irvin:
"Now, people are saying, ‘He doesn’t want to go across the middle’ ‘cause it was reported someone on your team said that you’re not going across the middle . . . "
DJax:
"That ain’t good business right there ‘cause I wouldn’t throw anyone on my team under the bus. I would hope it wouldn’t be coming from a player just saying that . . . that wish he was in my position or wish he was starting, just to say something to make me give him an opportunity, I don’t believe in that type of stuff.
am I reading too much into it?
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I don't know..but
Jackson is just a little squirt..If he crosses the middle he could get killed..He’s also turned out to be quite the immature asswipe I thought he was..and if you watch..his career is already starting to flame out…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Good. He doesn't deserve a career
Punk-ass bitch who disrespects the game, his opponents, and now his own team cause they are smart enough not to pay a fool like him.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
well, he's really most effective
when he has a qb that can buy time like Vick. If he doesn’t stay with the Eagles, he’s in trouble, and I think the eagles know this.
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Are the Giants still in the playoff hunt?
Reading many of these messages you get the impression they are not.
LOL dont mind them
Its easier to not to be optimistic…..especially when we are leading our division lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Just having some fun
We are tough fans. But make no mistake, you will find no more loyal fans any where, in any sport. IMO
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah we're in the hunt...
In fact the road got clear after the fog in Dallas lifted..Now our guys can clearly see what they have to do..I think they will..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
are the Giants still ranked 30th in Defense in the NFL?
reading many of these messages you get the impression they are not
Fire Fewell
hey, everyone is happy that we are in 1st place and in the hunt
but you can’t ignore some clear (defensive) issues on this team
Hey Bobbi
You were at the game. From your perspective, why did our Defense look so inept? What did you see that we watching on TV may not have seen on Jones’ gashing us on the runs and Romo’s long completions? And could we have done some things differently on the Dallas drive with 46 seconds left?
DavebrownNOT
I wasn't at the game
but from what I saw, when we played Canty-Anvil-Rocky-JPP we did really well against the run. But when we switched that up, we struggled. tuck is really a liability right now, And we all love Tolly, but he’s not fast enough for DE and not big and strong enough for DT and get’s entirely too much PT.
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Canty-Anvil-Rocky-JPP DID well againts the run, I really liked this line up
If PF was a bit more creative, I would be all for blitzin’ Kiwi right behind JPP. But, PF doesn’t have one iota of creativity.
Probably the biggest thing I saw was confusion..
And we didn’t load the box at all..I was going nuts..Jones should have been shut down easily but they didn’t adjust..Now Romo’s passes…Our guys with the young LBs cannot play an effective cover 2..The thing you could see on TV was what I was looking at..a vast, huge open space for Romo to attack..That is what I saw and it confirmed to me why Rodgers whooped us in 58 seconds..You just wouldn’t believe your eyes..Our LBs and secondary were totally out of position..That wide open throw that Romo blew to Austin was right down in front of me..I cringed..The bottomline is Coughlin and JPP iced that game..When you go to a game, and I know alot of you do and your in the stands..You see mass confusion on our defense..not the line, the LBs and secondary..If they don’t somehow solution that we will be in trouble..It has been going on for weeks..At least we got Boley back and I focussed on Blackburn and he played tough but he can’t cover anything..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
*could not see on TV
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
OK, now that we've established they were totally out of position
and Romo had wide open areas to throw to, do you think it is a lack of talent, a scheme problem? Do we have the physical ability to defend and close the passing lanes? What do you think is the cause of the problem and the solution? Who should we be using in our back 7? Just trying to pick your brains ( what’s left of them):)
DavebrownNOT
What's left of my Brains?!?!..Your not far off there!!hahaha
Here’s what I think..The safeties are playing way too far back..We have a very talented group back there veterans..our CBs are too far off the receivers..When you have been forced to start young LBs like we have had to..I believe you need to tighten the zone up to help them out..Need to bring the safeties in closer and play more man coverage..Our guys aren’t even hitting receivers at the line..they are just releasing them..and our safeties are back there in the end zone talking to security..We also I think need to dial up more blitzes..Our young LBs can’t cover crap, but they are quick and can blitz and pressure the QB..Boley is the only guy we have back there..So I think tightening up the zone and whacking people at the line would help..There is also too much ‘post getting burned’ finger pointing going on..It’s laughable..That to me is a concern a big concern because that tells me these guys are way off the same page with each other back there. That is disturbing…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Should Kiwi continue at LB or be switched to LDE?
Do you think he’s able to cover in a tighter zone or just misusing his talent and should be used as a pass rusher? And if so much confusion in coverage isnt that mainly PF’s fault? Is the scheme too complex? The Defense is just confused by their assignments? All I know is what I saw on TV on Sunday nite was one of our worst defensive performances I’ve seen in a long time and JPP just saved us by playing out of his mind.
DavebrownNOT
Well I believe it is Fewells fault..By now they should know what they are doing..
The schemes however really stink..for threasons I mentioned..but again just my opinion..Now Kiwi may have to play end if Tuck sits..(I doubt he will..Tuck seems to express his pains on Mon and Tues..and then is able to play by Friday)..But with Osi doubtful and Tuck a question mark..It seems we’re looking at Kiwi and JPP on the ends, which is not a bad thing..
Kiwi can play LB.., but he really can’t help on coverage all that well..I really wish they blitzed more than they have been..I’d like to see what Spags would do with this group..He’d bring in the house on them..and he’d fix the problems in the backfield..We really need a DC…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
How did Tuck look to you?
Does he look like he’s playing hurt, being double teamed and just not effective, lost a step? Even if he says he can play, is he a liability the way he’s been playing? Noticed he wasnt even taking on the OLineman on some plays, just tried one move and if he couldnt get penetration, he just stopped. What did you see?
DavebrownNOT
He played terrible..For him that is..I mean the guy is great when healthy..
He was just putting his body in the way..No rush and no tackles that I could determine..He’s definitely playing hurt..Frankly, I’d like to see him sit and heal up for the playoff run..To his credit I didn’t see them take advantage of him during the game all that much..but Tuck is definitely not the same guy right now..That toe injury broke the straw..He can’t get any push out of the stance
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
One last question(s)
How many points do we have to score to beat the ’Skins on Sunday? And shouldnt we put as much heat on Grossman as we can and simplify the scheme to tight zone and man-to-man? And is Prince good enough to play this scheme. I dont think Ross is.
DavebrownNOT
Well this is a division game..
The Skins are hurt way worse than we are..They damn near beat the Pats so, they have alot of pride..We’ll need to throw up another 37 I think..For once just blow a team up early..Grossman is not a good QB..but yes I still think we need to tighten that zone coverage up..I’m not all that worried about Ross, altough he seems to have lost some speed for some reason and he makes huge mental errors out there..but I think that is a collective problem with our secondary..Ross does seem to release receivers awful quick..and then there is no help behind him..But they are all screwing up..there was one play where Rolle went in and they triple teamed Witten..Now I think Witten is a great TE..one of the best, but triple cover a TE???..I think if I recall that left Dez Bryant wide open..It’s like everything else in life..Stupid things add up..and its hard to fix Stupid..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
OK Bobbi, thanks for your time
As a token of our appreciation, we will give you a blue Timex watch for being on our program;).
DavebrownNOT
Hahahaha!!!..I hope it is waterproof!!..LOL
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It seems that an injured player no matter how great becomes a liability. This is true of Tuck and was true of Demarcus Ware for Dallas on Sunday.
Could also be the case for Baas with his injured neck.
I agree..Ware should not have been back in there..
He was hurt and he helped save our night..He was probably trying to cheat in there a little bit for an edge and got caught in the ‘ol Neutral Zone cookie jar..We would have been in deep yogurt if we didn’t get that penalty..I jumped up and threw my arms in the air when I saw that shit snap..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ware had a huge presence
our QB only completed 50 eprcent of his passes. Our line is PATHETIC. Our eltie QB might die from these corpses on the line. Diehl and McKenzie are extreme liabilities.
by The Cole Train on Dec 13, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions
the grounding penalty was a sack
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Dec 13, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yes they ruled that one a sack..but that call was horrible..
It was either Nicks or Ballard in the near vicinity..I was across the field but we had a reciever there nearby..The refs blew that call..How many thousands of times have we seen a QB throw to the outside but a receiver cuts inside..from my view and looking at Jerrys TV set..that was a bad call..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Even though ruled a sack..Eli wasn't sacked..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Geez..I must be stuttering..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Nicks
Eli was definitely throwing it away but I couldn’t believe they called grounding on that. If Nicks had stopped and turned around he would have been right there.
Its actually something we haven’t talked about much… I thought the refs in this game were pretty terrible (for both teams)
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah..the intentional grounding rule ..
QBs are always intentionally overthrowing or throwing it away..Yet as soon as these ref boobs see a QB getting rushed and do that from inside the pocket boundaries they call it…Now if Eli threw it in the dirt I could understand, but he threw it out of bounds and Nicks was nearby..that call made my balls itch..and there wasn’t a damn thing I could do about it because people were around me in the stands..It’s a bitch when your balls itch and there is a crowd around..You just suffer through it due to the ‘ball scratching in public’ etiquette rule…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Our QB threw for 400 yards..and never got sacked..and hardly hit...
Our O-line combined with Elis skill in the pocket, did a great job..considering they are makeshift..Boothe had some lousy snaps (one almost killed us), but thak God Ware came back in and lined up in the neutral zone..That penalty saved our butts..but all in all they hung real tough..I know they are reaching the age where they need to start getting some linemen in the draft, but they are doing a pretty decent job..We haven’t had a RB get 100 yards hardly all year and Eli didn’t throw for 400 yards without protection.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It looked to me that the OL made adjustments in the 2nd half
because in the 1st half Eli had barely enough time to throw the ball before he had a guy in his face. In the 2nd half it looked like he had more time, although at times he was still forced to throw while backing up.
DavebrownNOT
LOL
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
and our lead RB ran at a 5.3 yards/carry rate
just saying…the line has clearly been better lately
running the ball...definitely
And I’m loving Petrus, but he was TERRIBLE in space. Whether it was pass blocking or pulling for a screen or sweep he wiffed, constantly, on his blocks.
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
If Spags got fired today
He should be our DC tomorrow.
i hope PF shows up and Spags is sitting at his desk
“I’ll take if from here, Perry.”
Stealing from one of my kids cartoons...........
Hey, where’s Perry??
by Jimmy Orange on Dec 13, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
unless the Eagles make him they're HC
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
asked the same thing to my dad yesterday
we both said yes.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that could very well happen..but I kind of doubt Spags will see another HC job for awhile..
But I really can’t envision Reid surviving this year..He’s had a very successful career, but he sucks punching it in from the playoff red zone..So I’d guess he’s gone…Close is only good in Horseshoes..and he’s been playing that game for 10-15 years…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Re; Smith
I hope his paychecks are really worth it. He might have made a tremendous difference in a couple of games for the G-men but money was more important than team. Same goes for Boss. This just proves that NO one is indispensable, and I’m all for being rich, but what about being a champion? That said, the Giants need to stop being arrogant when it comes to free agents, and pay them. JPP? VC? JB? They’re not there yet, but what’ll happen when they are free agents? If I were GM, I’d be getting ready to offer them MUCH better contracts before next season…
Well the new CBA will have alot to do with the salaries but we sure don't want to lose them..
I think the team is safe for now with those guys for awhile..At some point they’ll have to deal with it..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
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