Giants Vs. Saints: Pro Football Focus Weekly Game Review
by Ed Valentine on Dec 1, 2011 8:46 AM EST
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PrintSince we do it every week, I figured I should post the Pro Football Focus numbers from Monday's New York Giants-New Orleans Saints debacle. As you might imagine, the offensive numbers are OK, and the defensive numbers are, well, offensive.
OFFENSE
Eli Manning (+2.7)
Chris Snee (+2.2)
Victor Cruz (+1.7)
Kevin Boothe (+1.2)
Kareem McKenzie (+1.0)
Da'Rel Scott (-1.8)
David Diehl (-3.0)
It has to be a good sign that three offensive linemen were in the plus category. As for David Diehl, we already knew what to expect from him at left tackle.
DEFENSE
The only plus grade of the night went to Spencer Paysinger (+0.1) in seven snaps, that's how badly the defense graded out. Here are the worst of the worst.
Jason Pierre-Paul (-1.2) ... This grade I really don't get. I thought JPP was the only defender worthy of praise at all.
Mark Herzlich (-1.7)
Corey Webster (-2.4)
Dave Tollefson (-2.5) ... I continue to feel for Tollefson, and continue to not understand why an undersized defensive end keeps getting lined up at defensive tackle in the Giants' scheme. He has no chance at that spot.
Chris Canty (-2.5)
Kenny Phillips (-3.0)
Linval Joseph (-3.2)
Antrel Rolle (-5.3)
In its game review, PFF said Canty and Joseph were "basically invisible" and that Rolle was "the biggest weakness" in the pass defense.
It was just plain ugly all the way around.
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The coaches should be graded
TQ -5 for general incompetence
KG -2
TC -10
PF – infinity
As for JPP, he missed on sealing the edge a few times. No, I am not knocking him, he shows real hustle and overall a great player. Just pointing out where they may have deducted points from his score.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
- infinity = LOVE IT!
Yeah, agree with JPP, of course Fewell had his a** at NT for some plays too… so no hits on the QB, and like you said missing containment on his edge a couple of times that I remember seeing. So don’t know on what they grade on over there…of course, I never really did care about their grading schemes…esp. since I don’t know how viable it is anyways.
Another horrible DC
Fewell sucks!
- infinity = LOVE IT!
Yeah, agree with JPP, of course Fewell had his a** at NT for some plays too… so no hits on the QB, and like you said missing containment on his edge a couple of times that I remember seeing. So don’t know on what they grade on over there…of course, I never really did care about their grading schemes…esp. since I don’t know how viable it is anyways.
Another horrible DC
Fewell sucks!
LOL!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
that right there is classic!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Antre Rolle/Aaron Ross
Weakest link ALL YEAR LONG. Invisible as all hell. Rolle has been by far the WORST signing by JR.
As far as Tolly goes, that’s Defensive genius PF part of the master plan to confuse the opposition. Kind of like putting JPP on Sproles.
HAHA
You should actually watch the games and not let PFF’s nonsense sway you so much. If you watch that game and say Rolle was the weakest link in coverage then i dont know what you were watching.
And to say he was the worst signing by JR?? cmon he might have been the most important and valuable signing cause last i checked he has been playing every other position except for the one he signed up for.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Our defensive tackles
What happened here? Joseph is a number 2 pick. Canty looked good last year.
They are probably not used to playing and need consistency
Since the line usually looks like this: Osi, Tolly, JPP, Tuck. Dear PF, please play DTs at the DT position and DEs at the DE position. Thank you!
Crazy Idea
Instead of 4 excellent DE’s and 2 good ones maybe we should get an excellent DT to do damage in the middle of the D and a LB?
Jerry Reese with DE’s is like Matt Millon with WR’s except our DE’s are actually good.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
This.
The last few weeks we’ve had very little pressure up the middle. I can’t count the number of times Brees was just able to take 2 steps forward and gain an extra 2 seconds. All the talent in the world at DE can’t help us without at least a little push up the middle.
Team Win Ugly.
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
by BleedBigBlue on Dec 1, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
We drafted one in the second round last year
Then he got hurt….
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 1, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent DT??
Oh you mean like the one we let go to washington under the pre tense that Canty could even sniff his jim socks?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
For the record Bro has not played as well as he did earlier in the year
Anvil and Canty rate higher .
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Take this into consideration
Anvil and Canty are in a 4-3….Bro is still getting use to playing nose in a 3-4, he had a bad game against Seattle and has been getting use to being trippled but Jim Haslett says he can be one of if not the best nose in the league.
They are not Bro’s caliber, simple as that, if he was still in a 4-3, we wouldnt even be talking about this.
Canty is good but very inconsistent and Anvil will be a beast but Bro is better than both. Very underrated player.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Not sold on Cofield
Every yr down the stretch he tends to fade away. Its a trend and a disturbing one at that.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Then he is on the right team.
Because most of this team tends to fade away down the stretch.
Not true at all, thats Canty you just described
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Cofield was not excellent
He was good.
Fred Robbins was excellent.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 1, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
For a brief period before his knee gave out
Joseph isn’t getting enough snaps to shine
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Yea Joseph going to be a good one
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Who you think held the point for Freddy boy who was excellent in his own right
Freddy doing well was BArry playing nose for 4 years and helping free him up. and the one year he played 3 tech, you see what happened last year.
I think people dont recognize it because it wasnt sexy but make no mistake about it he was just as good as Freddy at doing his job….they were both excellent.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Hmm, not sure I can agree
Freddy was good regardless of who was playing next to him. Lets not act like Cofield had some amazing season last year where he was beating guards left and right. We had the exact same problem last year against the Colts and Packers as we’re having these last few weeks.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 1, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry has drafted good DT's
Linval and Marvin will be one helluva duo.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I hope so
but I have doubts about Austin. He hasn’t played any competitive football in over 2 years.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 1, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
he looked quite sharp in preseason
but yes still a question mark
(but you have to give JR credit for bringing guys in)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
almost 3 now
But even when he came back he had very little rust and was the best DT on the line at the senior bowl so i dont htink that will be too much of an issue.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
The same thing that happened to every other high draft pick at every Defensive position.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Joseph has 2 sacks as a rookie DT
That’s not bad considering he’s not getting a lot snaps with Fewell putting his DEs inside so much. Also, NO has the best pair of guards in football. That game wasn’t going to be decided by the DTs. It was going to be decided by our pass rushers.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
Against NO it's less your players than your plan
Their offensive players are so skilled at what they do, that it’s unlikely you’ll just line up and stymie them. Where they and all teams are vulnerable is when you confuse them. Line up 8 on the LOS try to get them to Max protect, then drop 8 into coverage.
They kill us cause if you can’t trick em a little they can carve anyone up.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We all Knew the defense played poorly so as you can see
We are not a bunch of raving looney’s. What the hell has happened to Diehl just put him out of his misery Jeez he sucks.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Antrel Rolle
is a natural safety. he’s playing out of position. he’s a great player when he’s actually playing his position, so i’m still annoyed that he hasn’t gotten much chance to be the ballhawk that he is. unfortunately with all the injuries in the secondary he’s had no choice but to play slot corner leaving the illustrious Deon Grant on the field. when Rolle can actually stick to playing safety he’ll be much better. that may not be until next year though sadly
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Dec 1, 2011 9:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
He hasn’t had the same Roll(no pun) twice since we signed him. So anyone thinking we are not getting our moneys worth think again. He hasn’t even played his natural postion yet ,he’s too busy filling holes jerry reese, TC, and PF have not been able to fill. Just my option.
by hit_hard on Dec 1, 2011 9:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
cant agrue that but...
Doesn’t durability play a role here??? Makes me question if he has been overlooking durability concerns over a players upside. Both are just as important and can’t be tought for the most part…I could be wrong. I would rather have a very good player 16 games a year then a great player play 8 games.
by hit_hard on Dec 1, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
durability is unpredictable
constantly injured guys in college sometimes have very healthy careers and vice versa.
+100
Team Blue chips:
Greg Jones,
Da Rel Scott,
JJ
JPP
J. Wlilliams
"Hello...you play to win the game."
exactly
I’d love to see Rolle and Phillips back there just playing ball. Rolle positioning in the slot isn’t doing him any favors.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Diehl must start out in negative numbers
I didn’t think he played that bad, really the OL as a whole I thought played well. If we had an actual RB that didn’t tiptoe around blockers and instead made a cut upfield, we probably run all over the Saints.
Everybody sucked on defense. I dunno how anyone gets rated more negatively then the other.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
agreed. I thought McKenzie was worse
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
by The Curse on Dec 1, 2011 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The whole O-line was horrible period
Team Blue chips:
Greg Jones,
Da Rel Scott,
JJ
JPP
J. Wlilliams
"Hello...you play to win the game."
i think the o-line was fine...pass protection was decent
its hard to block when gregg williams send 8 guys on the blitz every freaking down. run blocking was improved, if bradshaw was running the rock instead of jacobs it would’ve looked even better.
Will Smith started beating him towards the end, so I suppose that's what did it
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 1, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Bradshaw says he will play this week
Personally I think we should sit him against Green Bay and see if we can get him ready for the last 4 games of the year which are winnable and which I believe we can sweep.
You are right about the RB’s we currently have, although in their defense they usually make their first cut before the ball is handed to them.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
I say take the gamble
A win against the pack (however unlikely), would do WONDERS for the team morale and confidence. It may turn the season around.
you come at the king you best not miss...
Next jersey purchase odds:
JPP - 45%
Kiwi - 20%
KP - 20%
JWill - 5%
Barden - 5%
T2 - 5%
+1
We beat the Pack, then we’re going to Dallas with an opportunity to leave with sole possesion of 1st place with 2 home games and 1 “away” game remaining. They are 6-5 and fighting for the playoffs, resting players this week for the next 4 games is incredibly soft. What kind of message is that sending? “Oh, we can’t beat the Packers anyway so rest up until we play teams more our speed.” C’mon SON!
you play to win the game
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 1, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, this is more of the same kind of stuff as "Fewell is holiding out"...
against the weaker teams and not showing everything so he can save it for New Orleans and Green Bay, while we lost to Seattle and Washington. We’re not in a position to hold back anything we can throw at the Packers, and we need wins NOW. The idea that we’ll magically throw a switch and become competent against the Cowboys is a lot of wishful thinknig. Beat the Pack and let the Cowboys worry about being next, and you don’t beat Green Bay by holding anything back.
where is the score for Grant
Or does PFF not go past -10?
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
by The Curse on Dec 1, 2011 9:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ed doesn't post the scores between +1 and -1
Since those are the players who were mediocre.
Grant did have some decent plays, including defending that pass to Jimmy Graham in the endzone.
Grant seems to get a lot of flack around here, but in certain situations, he’s really not all that terrible. I’ve seen him make a couple plays when he’s manned up against a tight end in pass defense.
that alone should be -3
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
by The Curse on Dec 1, 2011 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that ball was thrown 15ft in the air
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Haven't really looked at the replays
But it seemed, at the time, that since Grant was draped all over him, Brees had to try fitting it in up high, and ended up overthrowing it.
we might have been watching different games
Why so much man coverage my PF? They had to much speed. I’m beating up on Grant but we can’t expect him to run with Graham
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
by The Curse on Dec 1, 2011 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Misuse of personnel
You have CWeb, Ross, Prince, and JWill, who are all better in man coverage than Grant. I would’ve put JWill on Graham, someone who is actually athletic enough to stay close.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
he covered him well...
he only gave up that early catch to him b/c he tripped.
Jwill covered him better than D. Grant….
TeamJPP
Grant
Sometimes I think it’s Ulysses not Deon
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Wondered about that too
Worst of the worse
DavebrownNOT
Fewell and Nascar
quit it already…
instead of having fresh waves of DEs to keep the rush on and keep them fresh
..now
we have 2 DEs left, not much sacks to show the last 3 or 4 games
and the rest of the DEs in a body bag…
thanks Fewell, for throwing our greatest strength on Defense in the gutter, AHole
Another horrible DC
Fewell sucks!
I AM SURPRISED AT HOW JUSTIN TUCK IS ACTING LIKE A WUSSY....
ITS OK FOR FANS TO CRY ME A RIVER…THYAT IS WHAT THESE BLOGS ARE FOR.BUT TUCK HAVING THIS DEFEATIOUS ATITUDE IS SICKENING. THIS GUY IS SUPPOSE TO BE 1 OF THE LEADERS OF THE TEAM. I LOVE THE ATTITUDE ROLLE BRINGS,BUT IT ALL GOES FOR NOT WHEN 1 OF YOUR LEADERS IS IN THE DUMPS.I know he feels as though he is not helping the team,but it isn’t all about the stat sheet(sacks-whoa me) and how he stacks up amongst sack leaders.He needs to pick his head up if this team has any chance……AND THEY DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD CHANCE-EVEN WITH ALL THE ADVERSITY!
by giantsbizzybody1 on Dec 1, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions
Defeatious
should definitely be an actual word
by Oppenheimer919 on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
i think KP should a +5
For the retaliation hit he laid on Graham for Nicks taking cheap shots all night.
by hit_hard on Dec 1, 2011 9:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
well maybe not cheap but unnecessary
by hit_hard on Dec 1, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know why they flagged him for that
Graham had already caught the ball and was not defenseless anymore.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 1, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thought he fumbled the ball on that play.
ESPN coverage was awful. I want to hear from Ronnie Lott about the state of today’s game.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 1, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm calling it now We Beat Green Bay
I have to believe this.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
have to think we've got one more miracle in us
and as for PF, the guy wrote the book on beating Vick and contained Brady why the hell can’t he do that week in week out
actually
I believe we will too.
But i think we do it with bradshaw. We NEED him back.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Dec 1, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we can put up 40 plus I believe we’ll win. Anyone know the last time that happened??
by hit_hard on Dec 1, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Simmons
Did anyone see what Bill Simmons wrote about the Giants in his picks last week? I know he’s probably not the most popular around here, but I thought what he wrote was comical and pretty insightful:
SAINTS (-7) over Giants
Q: I can see it now … after the Giants get slaughtered on Monday night in New Orleans, everyone writes them off and starts saying, “It’s finally over for Tom Coughlin” … only just when we’re almost done shoveling dirt on them, they make Mercury Morris’ year by ending Green Bay’s undefeated streak at home in Week 13, then they upset Dallas in Dallas on Sunday night, followed by everyone saying, “You can never count out the Giants, when will we learn?” … only they promptly blow their Week 15 home game against the Redskins as 10-point favorites, everyone jumps off their bandwagon again … and of course, they upset the Jets in a “road” game in Week 16, and suddenly, they’re heading into the final week only needing to beat Dallas at home to (improbably) win the NFC East. The Giants are like Rowdy Roddy Piper: Every time you think you know the answers, they change the questions, right?
— Bill, Los Angeles
SG: Fine, I wrote that one myself. Enjoy Black Friday.
haha
Bill’s real pick would have included a complaint about the Tyree catch. And even after Monday I don’t know how beating the Jets would be an “upset”
Yeah
he still clings to the Tyree catch being fluky, but finally has turned the corner on Eli. Even he admits Eli is having a hell of a season. Then after words says he needs to poke his eyes out or something to that effect.
it boggles my mind that he can't deal with that loss
his teams have won so much this decade that he should just some whining
If the Giants were 18-0 in the Superbowl and the Pats won with a game winning drive that was largely saved by an ABSURD catch by a no name receiver
you would still be reeling too. I love Simmons, tells it like it is.
That'd be pretty cool if it went that way
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Pray for a Noreaster
We need 50 mph winds to ground their air attack. Then we can pound the rock and rely on our special teams… crap.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
by Madhops on Dec 1, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Perry Fewell needs to earn his money against the Packers
I believe can move the ball against their defense. Hopefully we don’t keep turning the ball over in the red zone or make dumb mistakes as they have lately.
Team Blue chips:
Greg Jones,
Da Rel Scott,
JJ
JPP
J. Wlilliams
"Hello...you play to win the game."
This is alarming to me.
Because the few players that performed decently. In this order: JPP, philips then rolle.
Worst were: ross, c web.
The linebackers were as expected. But i can say that williams was step for step with graham. He just couldn’t make the play when it counted, but i put that on graham being a very good tight end rather than fault to williams.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Dec 1, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Cweb?
Look I think i turned if off by the middle of the 4th quarter….
but Webster gave up the one big run after catch to Colston.
I think he gave up one other reception the entire game for a short gain while he was matched up in man.
the rest of the tackles he made (that may have looked like he gave up the catch) were actually in zone when he was covering the Deep option and having to break off and tackle the underneath WR b/c the S and/or LB weren’t covering them.
I think Webster surrendered literally 2-3 catches all game….just so happens Colston beat him bad on one of those for like 50 yards.
but to say he was the worst is not accurate.
as bad as the D was that day i’d say Webster was actually one of the best.
Def not Rolle…Rolle in man coverage got ate up….and he doesn’t cover in “zone” either.
TeamJPP
as I documented the other day....
only reason Webster gave up that catch to Colston was b/c Fewell had him faking blitz….and NO had the perfect play called for it.
first of all it was a stupid ass blitz by Fewell….b/c he showed Blitz w/ Webster but had Jwill blitz (basically from the same position)….so basically your attempt to trick Brees and the Oline failed miserably b/c there is no deception at all there….and Webster by showing blitz was outta position to defend the drag route that Colston ran to the sidelines. Keep in mind he’s not able to press either.
Maybe I’m an apologist….as some have called me, and I agree Webster gotta make that tackle, but like I said…if the route goes to the middle of the Field, Webster is probably in position to defend it, but by showing blitz, he was outta position to defend the outside route
it was just a great call and great recognition from Brees.
TeamJPP
and the beauty of the route by Colston
regardless of who blitzed…Jwill or Webster….that route was designed to beat whoever covered him.
b/c whoever was going to cover him was going to be a step late covering the outside.
Jwill would prolly been 3 steps late.
Fewell was has on that one
TeamJPP
on c web
From what i watched. He whiffed on few other tackles other than that colston play (not necessarily plays which he was in man) But web looked slow for most the night.
he wasn’t the worst tho. Ross was to me. That goal line bailout COULDN’T be taught by coaches. No way would any coach teach that technique.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Dec 1, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bring back Leon Bright to coach balls to these guys.
Bright returned over 100 punts for the Giants without calling a fair catch (and no fumbles). You don’t see that anymore. Giants need that kind of resolve.
We used to refer to him as Leon "Not Too" Bright....
And you’re right, he’d never fair catch, but he got beat like a pinata at an octopus’s birthday party.
Wait a minute Ed. Here's your quote.
Dave Tollefson (-2.5) … I continue to feel for Tollefson, and continue to not understand why an undersized defensive end keeps getting lined up at defensive tackle in the Giants’ scheme. He has no chance at that spot.
YOU MEAN THERE’S an actual SCHEME????
by nygmen123 on Dec 1, 2011 9:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Shit Scheme
Would love to be a fly in those defensive meetings. Where’d all Fewell’s emotion go? The guy looks completely sedated when the camera shows him.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 1, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
No energy thats the biggest difference in him
like i said yesterday, not getting a head coaching job and just being used by 4 or 5 teams just to satisfy the Rooney rule really knocked his mental down a notch…… clear as day.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Radio on the sidelines
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 1, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that sucks
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Agreed on feeling bad for Tollefson
The guy is a backup DE to start with. Making him play DT is punishment. Maybe they brought Blackburn back to play the nickel corner?
I think you are worng there, nickle corner, that would be crazy.
I think they brought him to play DT.
Yeah so Anvil can move to nickel corner.
by G-FANinFL on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Running stunts would help
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
stunts confuse the hell out of linemen
i like it
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
I don't understand JPPs score...
And I felt Deihl played halfway decent at tackle considering…and Scot probably got dinged for the fumble…I don’t know this PFF stuff is very suspect..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Thought the O-line played decent.
I remember one play when Boothe got completely blown up and Bass getting moved around some. God please help this defense…
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 1, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Beyond Suspect Bobbi
I just laugh at em
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
There are teams and places we never play well and playing NO, especially at home
has been a complete disaster. Not to mention, New Orleans is ridiculously good at home. They put up 40 points on Houston’s #1 Defense at home. There was no excuse for the way we loss, but I think we can all agree nobody had high hopes for that game.
The GB game is GIGANTIC and those who are calling for resting Bradshaw, Boley, etc if they can return are fooling themselves. We have to come out guns blazing and give GB everything they can handle. If we can somehow pull out a victory, then we are going to Dallas with the potential to leave with sole possesion of 1st place..
Kevin Boothe
it’s obvious to everyone except Tom Coughlin that at this point of their careers Boothe > Diehl. This is another reason TC needs to go. He’s loyal to a fault.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Yeah I think has proved he a starter..
But Diehl played decent..That whole line played pretty decent..The defense I can understand except JPPs..they stunk..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Da Rel Scott needs more carries.
I know he fumbled but so did Brandon Jacobs but Jacobs recovered his. Coughlin should have put him back out there after the fumble. He makes positive yards after contact unlike Jacobs.
Team Blue chips:
Greg Jones,
Da Rel Scott,
JJ
JPP
J. Wlilliams
"Hello...you play to win the game."
I agree..give that kid the ball more..for crying out loud
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Benching a rookie after one fumble doesn't his confidence.
Someone tell Coughlin please.
Team Blue chips:
Greg Jones,
Da Rel Scott,
JJ
JPP
J. Wlilliams
"Hello...you play to win the game."
Yeah..Coughlin should know that..he coached his nemesis Tiki..
Give the kid the ball a half dozen or so times…Especially this week..we’re going to get our butts kicked anyway..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Scott needs carries
Lets showcase him vs GB, maybe we have a hidden gem like Dallas has in Murray. But we’ll never know unless we see him in a game for extended period, in a game we cannot win anyway. I want to see what Scott can do, and I want to see Barden out there on most Offense snaps. And I want to see what JJ12 can do in return game.
On Defense, please, please, please stop the JPP at tackle scheme. I want to see this Defense play a press coverage with aggressive pass rushing game. Even if it doesnt work, let’s at least find out how wrong/right we’ve been about this for the past month.
DavebrownNOT
with Osi hurt I don't think they can put JPP at DT
Hopefully they cut the crap and play the big guys up front. I’d rather have Bernard and Kennedy rushing the passer than JPP/Tollefson/Tuck
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 1, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I was just thinking
Since ESPN kept showing the Payton and Bress’s pregame meeting like 1000 times on Monday… I wonder what gems would be shown in a Perry Fewell & Deon Grant pregame meeting?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions
You'd just hear loud farts
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Grant can't tackle or cover anyone
Why is he on the field? Put Sash in there already.
Team Blue chips:
Greg Jones,
Da Rel Scott,
JJ
JPP
J. Wlilliams
"Hello...you play to win the game."
apparently
he’s the signal caller now with no Boley. But yes… he sucks balls
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
According to Bobbiblue
D. Grant will be playing the “Shemp” position in the new defensive scheme. Unless he becomes a victim of circumstance.
Haha!!!...But we will put the mike on Curly this week...
I want Shemp on the sidelines slapping Fewell in the ass with a wet towell..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hahaha!!..yep my allstar Fewell LBs in action..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I was leary of Grant getting the "caller" job when I heard about it for the Eagles game.
If a “safety” could do that then we would see some of the better safeties in the league with the green dot on their helmets. I think we don’t see that because the safety is too far away from the damn line of scrimmage. Grant can’t adjust the defense based on what he see the offense doing at the line because he is over 15 yards away. Even when he can make a read before the ball is snapped then he doesn’t have time to communicate to everyone because he is TOO FAR AWAY. I always thought a linebacker had to take that responsibility because they were the player best in the position to react and adjust.
I agree with you 100%…Grant sucks more balls than someone who is paid as a professional ball-sucker would suck in a normal night’s work. How many balls would a ball sucker suck if a ball sucker would suck balls? I’m guessing a lot.
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professional ball-sucker
is my dream job but seriously I have seen some safety’s do it. Jim Lenard had the green dot helmet with the Jets (I know he did last year, not sure about it this year). But I agree, LBs are the ones in the best spot to read and adjust at the line. I say in two weeks time… Chase will be doing it.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
JPP's hustle was commendable
but as far as his actual play at DE it just wasn’t that good. The guy has athletic ability and a motor to be admired, but the technique still isn’t there and he was pretty invisible on the defensive line. We can get excited about the hustle on the fake FG, but for the rest of the game he wasn’t doing what he needed to do to beat his man and hit the QB while he was also losing contain.
technique isn't complete there but he's tied for 3rd in the nfl for sacks
he was pretty invisible because with Osi getting hurt and Tuck being ineffective, he was easly singled out by the Saints as the guy to stop.
Yup he racked up some sacks early
That shows some promise. He did so on pure athleticism though against lower tier OL. Playing the better teams he has disappeared and that has to do with needing more than just raw athletic ability to win against higher caliber opponents. The potential is obviously there, and he is still young. I’m just saying I can see how he pulled a negative grade right now.
The whole D collapsed, hard for any one guy to do well
What’s the difference between +2 and -2 anyway?
Most teams with a guy like JPP, will scheme to force the other team to single block him, not line him up at DT, so many head scratching decisions surrounding this defense
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
He's still only 22 y/o
He need continuity. Stop putting him at RDE, then LDE, then DT, then OLB.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
Osi's injury should have him at RDE full time
Though if Tuck can’t get healthy, his future is probably on the left side
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I'd tend to back off of the "wait until Bradshaw" returns chanting when it comes to smashing Jacobs/Ware/Scott.
Has Bradshaw been gone for so many games that we have all forgotten that he too was having a horrible year? I’m not banking on Bradshaw coming back and the running game vaulting up into the elite level…not at all.
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Yeah me too..He'll come back and just run into those mules we have for an O-line..
Mules don’t like it when you hit them in the ass…they stomp and kick back..and you wind up with busted feet and a set of sore nuts.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ha
That’s funny. I really hate sore nuts. it’s one of my biggest pet peeves.
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Do we need PFF scores to know that the D played awful
I post this every so often, seems like its time again
PFF scores for defenders are flawed in inception, whatever numbers they assign are random guesswork based on a fans intuition and hunch. They almost certainly represent what the viewers thought about the players prior to the game.
Why, its simple really
- They don’t know the play call or the responsibilities, even if they think they do. How do they know who is supposed to be where or cover who? They are just guessing. It may be an educate guess, but its still guesswork.
- They don’t have access to the all 22. I doubt they have access to anything that wasn’t broadcast. Its like writing a book report when you only read the pages with prime numbers. You know something, but its very incomplete.
- Defense may break down to individual matchups, but its a team sport. When teams started picking on our safeties in 09, suddenly the entire D looked suspect. Why, cause guys start cheating to help their mates (wouldn’t you?)
- Whats their facility for chain reactions? The offense knows that a defense reacts to certain things. They force those reactions, because they then will attack it. Even better, how do they know when its happening.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
For scaling purposes
What is the lowest and highest score you can get?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 1, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions
Lots of beers..versus not enough beers..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I did not realize that the number represents
the number of Beers the player gets or has to give back. Eli is never sober, Dheil is thirsty
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 1, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would be nice if our Leadership would stand up and show itself...
Rather than hiding in the woods
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions
I follow Pro Football Talk on Twitter and just saw these two tweets:
ProFootbalITalkProFootballTalk
Breaking news out of Detroit is the Lions may consider trading Suh. They may consider it. They may consider it. Unreal.. #PFT
ProFootbalITalkProFootballTalk
Stevie Johnson’s Plaxico “imitation” upset 94.3% of the Bills’ locker room. He may find himself on the waiver wire for this. #PFT
have they taken up smoking crack as a hobby?
TeamJPP
no, just incarceratedbob
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 1, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
PFT is total BS.
Hey let’s trade our best (defensive) player, who we previously knew plays aggressive and sometimes dirty, for being aggressive and sometimes dirty.
Hey let’s trade our best wide reciver, who we previously knew enjoys his touchdown dances (controversies, fines, hurting the team, etc be damned), for a controversial touchdown dance that hurt the team and he got fined for.
find it hard to believe either of these
but crazier things have happened
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
If the Suh things even accurate, Detroit released that to scare him straight
they wouldn’t be able to trade him because no one is willing to give up 5 1st round picks for him..except the raiders
When do we start seeing more soccer and NBA flops to draw flags. It has started will become common during games.
This is not your dad’s or even your football… How can anyone want to play defense anymore?
there was a crazy flop this weekend
ESPN showed it on their “come ’on” segment
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda feel like it's a bad joke...
I mean honestly, who in their right mind would say “94.3% of the locker room” and expect to be taken seriously.
having said that….if it’s a joke, where’s the punch line?
TeamJPP
94.3%
I would of believed it if 95.3%…. those are better odds
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I"m not a math major but if my math serves me
Correctly tha’ts 114% increase.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
50 of 53 players equal
94.3
I guess 3 players liked it. Johnson and 2 others.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
ha, true
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
also
its very odd that these came from PFT. The almost always have breaking news and rumors that do ban out… except when they said Terry Bradshaw died in a car crash in 2007.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
He did die.
Current Terry Bradshaw is a zombie.
Apparently they have...
And it looks like they are ingesting massive quantities of that narcotic…I wish I were the pusher for those crack heads. I could buy the Minnesota Vikings!
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This is the game to test new personnel. Protect AB, Boley and others unless they are absolutely ready to play.
Aggravating an injury is not worth it considering the last four games we must win.
TC
did not play guys like Barden, Bomar, Beckum, Beatty in the week 17 against the Vikings in 2009… when there was zero to play for…. I doubt he does it now
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Dec 1, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is part of the injury story
We run our starters out there for more snaps than any other team, simple extra wear and tear
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Based on the injury report for Boley, AB, Nicks, Mario, Tuck: I say play the subs.
Give the starters a week to recover. Winning this game will not help us against Dallas. A win here and we still need to beat Dallas twice.
Does anyone know who the Giants strength and conditioning coach is?
Seems like he should be the second guy get the ax, right after PF.
well lets be fair, Tom Quinn should be #2
but his name is Jerry Palmieri. Been here for 8 horrible, injury-riddled seasons.
YES!
Now I have another name to add to my “not liked very much at all, kind sir” list. It’s a long list but I try to keep it classy.
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