'Friday Five' With Pat Traina
In this week's edition of the 'Friday Five' with Inside Football editor Pat Traina we talk about injuries (of course), linebackers and the play of Chris Snee, among other things.
Follow the jump for all the goodies. And check out Inside Football for my answers to Pat's questions.
Ed: I have to start in roughly the same place you did -- with the injuries. Without Bradshaw and Nicks, can the Giants still score enough points to stay with the Patriots in a game that looks like it will be a shootout?
Pat: While Nicks is unlikely to play, there's still a chance that Bradshaw might be able to go - the guy has a super high pain threshold and he's been able to play through a stress fracture before. But to answer your question, I do. I get the feeling, reading between the lines, that they found something in the Patriots defense that they can exploit and while I don't want to give it away, let's just say that I think someone we'd least expect to have a big day could end up shouldering most of the load if things go according to plan.
Ed: Speaking of injuries, you never could have guessed a few weeks ago that Justin Tryon would have become an important Giant. How big is his loss to the defense, and to the special teams?
Pat: Huge. Not only was he a dynamo on special teams, he was starting to settle in on defense I that sub package where he was taking on that nickel role which left Antrel Rolle free to do what he does best, which is play up near the line rather than have to worry about coverage.
Ed: If Ahmad Bradshaw is out for a few weeks -- or the rest of the season -- do we finally get to figure out once and for all if Danny Ware is a quality NFL running back?
Pat: Well again, I don't think Bradshaw is going to be out that long. However to answer your question, Ware has been on this team for a number of years now and I think it's telling that the Giants keep drafting young running backs to compete with him, don't you?
Ed: So, I polled my readers this week to find out whether they would prefer to see Greg Jones or Jacquian Williams getting the majority of the playing time at linebacker. The answer came back as .... Mark Herzlich! What is your take on how the young linebackers have played, and whom you think would help the defense the most at this point?
Pat: I think it was rather telling that Jacquian Williams was taken off defense last week - he had been making quite a few mental errors and I suspect that he might have been given a little bit more to handle than what he was ready for. Jones has played rather sparingly with the heavy use of the nickel early in the season, but I can't say he's really knocked my socks off when he's been in there.
Herzlich had a dynamite game on specials last week. Is he ready to contribute to the defense? I'm not sure he is, but with him the good thing is he's a very bright guy who's itching to get in there, yet who's patient enough to know his opportunities will come.
As to who I think will help the defense the most, I guess it depends on the opponent. I also think with a full year of seasoning under their belts, all three - Jones, Williams and Herzlich (and I guess you can throw in there Spencer Paysinger) - will become that much better.
Ed: Let's talk about Chris Snee. Whenever people talk about Snee, they always refer to him as the Giants best offensive lineman. I'm not so sure anymore. At the very least, I would have to say he isn't nearly the dominating guy he was two or three seasons ago. What are your thoughts on Snee?
Pat: I agree. I'm not sure what it is, but Snee's level of play seems to have dropped off a bit. Sometimes I wonder if it's age, or maybe it's because he's playing next to a new center, or he is hiding an injury - who knows? But I definitely agree that something is off with his game this year - jut can't put my finger on what it is yet, though I have some suspicions.
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"someone we least expect..."
Victor Cruz.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 4, 2011 7:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Michael Clayton
I least expect him to contribute.
"I understand (Vick's) frustration. Nobody wants to get hit that many times." ~Mathias Kiwanuka
I would guess jj12 before Beckum.
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 4, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jesus NO!
This would be a classic case of them trying to out think the room, and a huge mistake.
Would you really want to hang this game on Travis F’n waste of space and time Beckum?
You down wit JPP?
Sino Moss
I hear they have him in an airplane hangar polishing his routes
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Waiting for the call?
The call to board the blimp, I mean.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
That would be a way for Mossie to get on the field
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
lol
from a few 1000 feet in the air
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 4, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
YEAH!! LOL
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
yeah, she thinks they want to get Barden going early, I bet
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
cruz is now expected
im going with jernigan
by The Blood of Eli on Nov 4, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Jernigan, the fumbling-machine?
It is what it is
You mean punt dropping dynamo
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
The mind games continue....
Game planning is difficult when you invest your time in the multiple personnel packages.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 4, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Its going to be Ballard. No way JJ and Barden are going to be the guys.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Nov 4, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Pats are usually good at controlling TEs.
Mental errors by Patriot LBs allowed Heath Miller to do to them what the Pats usually do to others.
It is what it is
That implies the Steelers used something to shake things up
I see this game boiling down to the OLs. Whichever team protects their QB better probably wins.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Yeah, Big Ben wasn't going for the run-game/big-throws.
Which was a first for him.
It is what it is
I Honestly beleive it will be a combo of
Ballard and Beckum. With a little Barden. The killer Bs on the swarm.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Bzzzzzzz!!!
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Nov 4, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You get the Wu-Tang reference?
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If Beckum has a big game many here might go into shock
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Me included..I'll bite into an extension cord..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'll try to kiss my own ass
and pretend I knew it all along.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Da'Rell Scott, Andre Brown
I’d like these guys to get a chance. We know what we’re going to get from Jacobs as the primary back and he’s never really been a game changer in that role, or even consistently dependable. You get a good game or two out of him and then things tend to slide. I hope Andre Brown gets activated from the Practice squad if Bradshaw’s going to be gone for an extended period of time.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown over who?
There’s 3 rbs he has to jump over, with no practice time with the first team, and no real game experience. I like AB2 like the next man, but you’d be leading him to the slaughter.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Nov 4, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not Cruz, Cruz isn't sneaking up on teams anymore.
Barden, Pats secondary is Tinnnnnnnnny.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
At the very least he and Cruz should present issues
(Cause Cruz goes up and gets em)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
What's the latest on prince?
The sooner he’s out there healthy the sooner we can put this tryon injury in the rearview.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Nov 4, 2011 7:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Then I'm betting Barden was the player Pat expects a big day from
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Maybe it's Dodge.
Nah….gotta be Tiki.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Tiki, Sinorice, Shockey, SS12 and Plax
In Antonio Pierce voice: Don’t write this down.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
LOL
Nice
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think so
you dont come off pup after missing most of training camp and the preseason, and just step on the field and have a big day…. not to mention he has never had a big day in his career.
jernigan is my guess
by The Blood of Eli on Nov 4, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on man
I get your reasoning on Barden, but JJ? He’s in the same boat as Barden.
The pourous nature of the Pats secondary is all over the tape. My guess is that they know where NE is soft, especially against ball control, given the Pitt game tape.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
but jernigan has been practicing and learning the system all season and in training camp
he is lucky because he is sitting comfortably behind a very successful receiving corp. how do we know what he would be doing had manningham or cruz gone down? i think that type of guy can have a big day against this pats secondary and if nicks is not available, it is going to open up the window for guys like JJ to get some snaps.
by The Blood of Eli on Nov 4, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Barden has to know the system better than Jernigan
He’s been on the team for like 3 years. He is light years ahead of JJ12. Jernigan doesn’t get 1st team snaps anyway so he can’t be any better of an option than Barden – if Barden in is good shape.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
But in practice JJ probably gets about 5-10% of the snaps with Eli
So he’s not exactly zooming ahead. And Barden’s been learning the reads for 3 years. In our offense that’s critical. So I get Barden being too rusty, but JJ is at least that far behind, just not knowing stuff.
(it also doesn’t sound like us, when was the last time some secret weapon jumped out?)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Yeah, this secret weapon stuff...
We need to calm down with this noise.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Cruz stepping up?
I’d count that.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
And more for that matter,
BALLARD.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
hardly a surprise or secret
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
i think it was both a surpise and a secret
the majority of people on this site did not have faith in cruz before the eagles game
by The Blood of Eli on Nov 4, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So A guy can't step in after nto palying and have a big day,
which you said of Barden, but Jernigan, who hasn’t played, CAN step in and have a big day? Double standard if I’ve ever seen one.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 4, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
she's not guessing a particular player
she’s is guessing someone is going to step up and have a big game..
hope so
we’re thin at both positions, it’d be a boast that could propel us to the vic.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Well I heard they cancelled his benefit concert..
So maybe we’ll see some ‘Purple Rain’ Sunday..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Osi shoulder injury?
if he can’t play we may have a problem. Whats the latest on Jpp?
Osi is king. All other DEs must bow down.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 4, 2011 8:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Allegedly injured in practice yesterday,
which is why he was listed as ‘limited’. Won’t know until the afternoon.
It is what it is
JPP should be starting.
Osi should be coming in on passing downs. He’s just too big a liability against the run. Check out the Playbook crew on NFL network talking about the big Bush runs from last week. All 3 came at Osi. And anyway, Osi being bad against the run is not news.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 4, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Osi is going all in with the pass rush and is getting totally hosed on run plays
He’s not even trying, it seems to me, to defend the run. His whole mindset is getting to the QB for that strip sack, because he thinks that’s how he makes his big pay day someday.
Yes, he is getting torched and hurting the run defense. He’s not the only one missing assignments and contain against the run, but he’s the only one who seems like he is not even trying to defend the run, and the offense is accordingly running right at him.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
But lets not remake history
We were bad this season before osi hit the field this season against the run.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Nov 4, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no denial here
we were bad. And on top of that, he’s not helping at all since his return, and is trying so hard to bust past the Tackle for a free lane to the QB that he’s not doing any kind of gap control.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
Osi did it : Exhibit A
before Osi came back we were starting one sometimes two rookie linebackers (and Kiwi). you had to expect that there would be some issues. Also, of the three games that JPP started at end the rush stats were quite good. We only got smoked in the Eagles game and McCoy is the best back in the NFL right now. Since Osi’s been back it’s been bad. Real bad.
wk 1 – wash -74
wk 2 – st l – 59
wk 3 – phil – 177
wk 4 – Ariz 156 (Osi’s 1st game back)
wk 5 – Sea – 145
wk 6 – Buf – 155
wk 8 – Mia – 145
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 4, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat Traina has his suspicions about Snee's recent demise.
Let me guess. Is he suffering from a little Jimmy Kennedy syndrome?
Traina is a woman
Just blew your mind, didnt I?
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
But I thought it WASN'T a toomah(?)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Prince and Barden have a role
One guess.
Would love to see them in there to gauge what we do or do not have.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
Ugh
really, Nicks is not expected to play? When the hell did this happen? Last I saw his hammy was fine… no?
Bottom line is this has become a next man up type of team, if Bradshaw misses, then the other 3 have got to handle his role… ahem ahem paging the old Brandon Jacobs, time for a flashback to 08
If Nicks misses then it’s up to MM and Cruz to play as if they were both the number one WR for the day… Ahem ahem don’t drop the GD ball guys.
But to me this game is gonna be determined by Radio (Fewell)… please please please get more F’n Aggressive against this team or we are meat on a stick vs. Brady
You down wit JPP?
Last night Nicks was saying it would be a game time decision.
Which usually means “not playing.” Double Ugh.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
I think he's out too
Good thing they keep 4 WRs ready just in case
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Is Manningham hurt too?
According to this report Manningham is hurt too
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
he was ill on Weds
but practiced Thurs
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Can’t rush 3 any more, when the best (and the only above average part ) of the Defensive squad is the d-line.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Nov 4, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Any news on JPP?
im more worried about him missing the game than hakeem and bradshaw
by The Blood of Eli on Nov 4, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions
Me, too...
he kind of popped on the injury report and I haven’t heard anything else. I think TC said it was nothing serious though – not that that means it’s true.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Won't know until the afternoon.
It is what it is
Ballard is going to have the big game.
What the steelers did to that patriots defense with the Tight ends was what got them going early. Or maybe Beckum finally steps up
"let's just say that I think someone we'd least expect to have a big day could end up shouldering most of the load if things go according to plan"
Everyone in the stadium is going to crap their pants when Bomar comes tearing out of the tunnel in his monster truck.
Wearin prison stripes?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
No prison can hold back Bomar
Is he really still in jail?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Don't know, but it makes a good visual
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We'll see him on Lockup this weekend...
In the hole
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Thats what I would have said
if they did put him in prison, he’d be the warden by now anyway
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 4, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea Vikings,
You know, Party Boats, DUIs, they really know how to do it.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Nov 4, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Bomar
drank The Most Interesting Man Alive under the table that night.
Yeah, that’s right, beat ’em at his own game in a race to chug a keg of XX without stopping.
And in typical “thinking ahead” Bomar fashion, he had somebody from The Guinness Book of World Records there to record the longest burp in history.
Now he just has to sit back and wait for the beer endorsement offers to start rolling in.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
I am going to check all our current lists to see if he is anywhere on the roster in some form such as IR/PS/Doorman/concession stands/blimp pilot etc etc
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
yeap, lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 4, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Bomar's last minute addition to the roster was supposed to be a secret
We might as well add him now so he can go through a walk through before Sunday. He will have a huge day at TE but it would have been better if you kept the surprise.
What about Da'Rel Scott
Wait, as a WR
They’ve shown that before, and Scott in space is a big play waiting to happen. We’ve seen him blow right past guys. Nothing fancy, here I am let’s see if you can get there.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
That kid's got enormous talent.
It is what it is
yeah....but its just potential right now. Reason he ain't in is because you need to be able to pass block to be a Giants RB...
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 4, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why I say as a WR
In a base set, with Scott as RB, he splits Wide.
If the covg has been assigned to a LB, that’s a big play potl. But I don’t expect any big surprises. If Nicks is out, we’ll see Barden and maybe Thomas elevated and that’s about it.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
sigh....yeaah
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 4, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care that they don't get all tricky
I just wish that on some key plays they had a counter built in
Lined up in tight formation, but a short pass is called, spread it out and run it. Just keep em guessing a bit.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
it's hard enough learning one position
he can’t crack the lineup at RB now you want him to learn the WR postion
SMH
I dunno why peeps want Herzlich in. Right now, he's just a much slower Greg Jones.
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 4, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
If you think Brandon Spikes is sitll running his 40 time
Then herzlich hasn’t even started
haha
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 4, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and the onyl reason why people want him in
is because of the story. they could care less about the talent or rather the talent that got taken from him.
Herz is a project
They liked what they saw, and figured if he gets faster over the year, he may be a player, so it’s a good risk.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
definitely from what he's shown...he needs to redshirt this year. But he looks good on specials...
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 4, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, and it's a good way to see how is explosion speed is
Herz may never be a starter, but he’s smart enuf to learn all 3 positions and play excellent STs
Might end up being a career backup like Chase, which is nothing to sneeze at
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I was just thinking the same thing.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Brandon Spikes as in NE's Brandon Spikes?
It is what it is
That's an old joke around here from the draft
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
1 Question:
Pat: Huge. Not only was he a dynamo on special teams, he was starting to settle in on defense I that sub package where he was taking on that nickel role which left Antrel Rolle free to do what he does best, which is play up near the line rather than have to worry about coverage.
Doesn’t she mean Grant? Rolle is the guy who can play center field (although he has gotten much better up on the line than when he got here).
no, Rolle plays a ton up near the line....Grant is usually back in coverage
That makes me ( ; __ ;)
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 4, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
no your thinking what it should be.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Awesome.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2011/11/02/the-best-and-worst-nfl-owners/
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 4, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions
of the bottom five most all are having great seasons.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Good point.
I don’t think the Lions will finish above 8-8. Out of the bottom five, I think I would go with the Bengals to have the best season.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
Nice find.
The bottom five are ugly franchises. 4 out of 5 from the AFC, too.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
One black mark
Those exorbitant seat license pricing. And I’m not a season ticket owner. But $20k dor the best seats? Wow. No wonder they saw “growth”. LOL
Other than that, love our ownership.
Go Giants!
what is up w/ Pat and her inability to speak her damn mind?
But to answer your question, I do. I get the feeling, reading between the lines, that they found something in the Patriots defense that they can exploit and while I don’t want to give it away, let’s just say that I think someone we’d least expect to have a big day could end up shouldering most of the load if things go according to plan.
and
But I definitely agree that something is off with his game this year – jut can’t put my finger on what it is yet, though I have some suspicions.
TeamJPP
Well
If she was privy to some of the game plan through her access, spilling the beans would get her frozen out for the rest of her career.
And it might be conjecture and or a personal problem regarding Snee. If that’s the case, I can see why she’d choose her words carefully.
She’s always very candid, so we have to assume she’s trying to tread lightly for a reason.
Go Giants!
I ask Ohm on twitter who Barden is workign with?
1st team, scount team etc.
he tells me flat out…..Andi i can’t tell you b/c they don’t allow that, but he’ll tell me that Barden is looking good in practice.
it’s like her Playoff Prediction….does the team frown upon that as well? b/c it just seems to me that she likes playing favorites…..which is fine….but c’mon it’s football
TeamJPP
I need
to put Ohm on my twitter link. He’s great.
I see your point. But it is dicey when you are around the team and then you’re talking about game plan info. Touchy subject and I still think you can get frozen out if you’re too glib.
Go Giants!
I agree Andi
I used to look forward to Pat’s piece, she always has some logic backing up her reasoning, and its usually a different point of view.
Lately, its all been very non-committal.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
ohm is good people
i hear where your coming from too….i mean, if pat knows about an injury and she exposes it, she’ll burn bridges….
TeamJPP
I do think
If you know stuff but can’t say it upfront, maybe it’s better not to be too cute and hint about it at all.
Go Giants!
she has her favorites and is very loyal to the players
so if she suspects an injury or something to Snee that isn’t public, she won’t make it public.
She does great reporting, and very good post game analysis, but she’s not the investigative break the story person.
It is what it is. She’s still among the very best at covering the team you have to know what to expect.
Plus, Inside Football has a pay for subscription service where she says more. If she made it all free, the whole site would fold.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
someone just Retweeted a tweet from Pat...
she said i need to get to 3200 twitter followers….
I hit her up and i said I’ll follow you right now …. but you gotta give me a Playoff Prediction!
LOL
so far nothing!!!!
TeamJPP
rofl not gonna happen
The closest she has been in her free and paid writing is that she thinks the team is in transition and she has come right up to the edge of saying fans should really not be expecting big things with all the big injuries.
She really thought the TT injury was huge and set back the team a lot. Now, he a total favorite of hers, she loves the guy. But there is also a case to make there. Without TT injured, you have a more traditional defense nickel set with 2 safeties and Rolle not playing nickel back. You don’t have old man Grant slowing things down.
Then, they lost their defensive playcaller and run stopping beast, Goff. That has clearly impacted the defense – no one out there is as experienced or sharp in calling the audibles, and they’ve had communication issues and rookie mistakes at the second level.
So, I think that’s her perspective going into the season.
@Patricia_Traina Under TC, the Giants are 53-24 when they rush for 100+ yards and 15-25 when they don't.
I called her out on the playoff prediction
Thing as I’m sure you’ll recall (you replied if I remember correctly) and she never answered. Her playoff prediction will be in week 17 lmao!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Nov 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
She really doesn't offer
any great insight. It’s not like she’s give us a scoop. She throws out ambiguous statements.
let’s just say that I think someone we’d least expect to have a big day could end up shouldering most of the load if things go according to plan.
Great Pat! You think! How about going out on a limb and stating who you THINK it might be. Many games have a player STEP UP AND HAVE A BIG GAME!
Her Playoff prediction
will be at the conclusion of Week 17 games. lol
i would behave as well
you cannot be giving away information to hurt the team when you have access to the facility including the lockerrooms.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Snee
I think he’s hurt, he’s not old enough to just fall apart all of a sudden, no injury history, no big contract this offseason, it’s the only explanation that makes sense.
or C play coupled with the aging RT.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I'll believe Bradshaw doesn't play when I see it..
This is a classic ‘Smoke and Mirrors’ match between Coughlin and Bill B…and TC is winning..If Nicks can’t go..we really don’t need his threat anyway..This is a ‘chip away at the Rock’ kinda game..Not an Air assault..5 yard down and ins, down and outs..BJ up the gut…but I think AB will be playing..they’ll give him a shot of either Lanacane or Ladacane and tape him up tight..He won’t feel a thing..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
How about a shot of the island beauty Lana Kindawannalickya?
That always helps.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NE 29
More Than A Hunch
All evidence points to Barden as the secret weapon she’s hinting at. He’s practicing with the 1st team a lot, gives us dimension we havent had since Plax with height and wingspan, and will drive Pats D nuts. Also TC and coaches very quiet about him this week. Look for short stuff to Barden and occasional go patterns.They wont be able to cover him.
Marfar
That's what I think..
They are going to chip it down the field in small bites, then toss it to the big guy when they reach the red zone
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Come on
You don’t want to give it away? Pat, you’re not in the meetings. I’m sure that Bill and Tom aren’t scouring your responses as part of their gameplanning for the game on Sunday. It’s OK. You can tell us.
As for your comments on Snee, you say that you have “some suspicions.” How about saying what they are?
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
"No question. I play the run very, very well. Forget what you heard." -- Osi Umenyiora
Dont worry the patriots probably have cameras in our meeting rooms.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
Well at the endo the day..Pat ,Ed..and any other media folks have no
Clue..nor do we..on who’s going to show up for game and play..nor are they going to advertise their gameplans..Now Pat may have very well learned something..but she can’t let it out.If she did..she’d never be allowed around the ..team or coaches..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Of course Pat is referring to...
Bear Pascoe getting his first half dozen carries with Bradshaw out, and his taking them all to the house as the Pats are rolling on the field laughing.
Bear Pascoe..the one eye-browed cyclops..I like it..I like it..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Speaking of his one eye-brow..
How the hell did he wind up getting two eyes??
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

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