Are The Giants Good Enough? That's A Good Question
by Ed Valentine on Nov 30, 2011 10:53 AM EST
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PrintIn Mike's notebook this morning, he linked to a piece from ESPN's Dan Graziano asserting that 'The Giants just aren't built to win.'
Well, let's examine Graziano's point. Are the New York Giants, as currently constructed, built to win?
Graziano's main belief seems to be that general manager Jerry Reese has not done a good enough job giving coach Tom Coughlin a competitive roster to work with. A couple of weeks ago I wrote that Reese deserved 'kudos' for not panicking when the Giants had a rough preseason. I still believe that, for the scope of that discussion, he does.
Certainly, though, not all of Reese's moves have panned out. He is a good general manager, but there is undeniably room to criticize what he has done -- both in acquiring free agents and his use of the middle to late rounds of the NFL Draft. Here is part of what Graziano wrote:
The Saints destroyed them. They rolled up 577 yards of total offense and moved the ball at will on their way to a 49-24 victory behind Drew Brees and his ensemble cast of seemingly interchangeable offensive weapons. And all night, from the very beginning, there was nothing the Giants could do to stop them.
The only reason this might possibly be a surprise is because of where the Giants were three weeks ago. After beating the Patriots in Foxborough, they were 6-2, well in front of the NFC East and feeling as though they could beat anyone. But that was the mirage, and this is the reality that has underlay this Giants season since their stagnant offseason and the start of training camp. They don't have enough, personnel-wise, to hang with a team like the Saints.
That's not on the coaching staff, folks. That's on GM Jerry Reese. The Giants aren't one of those teams on which the head coach has final say over personnel moves. With the Giants, Reese does. And while he seems to get a bit of a free pass from his fan base, he hasn't done a good enough job making those moves over the past few years, and the cracks in the roster are showing it. ...
The problems aren't scheme-related or coach-related. The Giants' problem right now is that their roster was too thin to begin with and is seriously fraying due to the rash of injuries that has befallen it.
I didn't mean for this to become a referendum specifically on Reese, rather an examination of the roster itself.
Let's look at the defense that was torched by New Orleans for 577 yards. The pass rush is what the Giants are built for, and for whatever reason you want to pin that on Perry Fewell's unit is badly exposed when that rush does not control games.
Coach Tom Coughlin said Monday that the Giants "didn't cover very well," which is true.Despite the rash of season-ending injuries (Terrell Thomas, Bruce Johnson, Brian Witherspoon, Justin Tryon, Michael Coe) cornerback is not the problem. Corey Webster, Aaron Ross and Prince Amukamara give the Giants three good ones.
The problems in this defense are at linebacker and safety.
Linebacker -- Everyone was excited when the season began and the Giants had four promising rookie linebackers on their roster. Well, without Jonathan Goff and Michael Boley that honeymoon is over. There is a reason why Jacquian Williams, Mark Herzlich, Spencer Paysinger and Greg Jones were late-round draft picks or undrafted free agents. While each has shown some ability, not one of them is ready to be an every-down linebacker in the NFL. Their mistakes, and their weaknesses, have proven devastating to the Giants.
Mathias Kiwanuka is a veteran, but also still an inexperienced linebacker. He has been an incredible force against the run, but zone reads in coverage are still tricky for him.
Safety -- Simply put, the Giants do not have enough speed at this position. Their safeties cannot cover people, and they often aren't fast enough to fill the gaps in their zone coverage responsibilties. Deon Grant is a statue, and any time teams need a completion they target him. Antrel Rolle has been miscast as a slot corner much of the season. Tyler Sash is not the answer -- at least not right now. Do you really want to throw another rookie, and not a fast rookie, into a defense which already has a lot of inexperience and can't get lined up?
Could Reese have done a better job at those two spots? We have talked seemingly forever about how the Giants have not taken a linebacker early in the draft, and they did pass on Mason Foster in the third round this year to select wide receiver Jerrel Jernigan. The Giants are now bringing back former backup Chase Blackburn, a move they could have made as early as Week 2 and you could say they have paid for the decision not to the past couple of weeks. Reese, though, can't be faulted for the misfortune that befell Chad Jones.
On offense, the problem is in the offensive line. Releasing Rich Seubert and Shaun O'Hara at the beginning of the season simply had to be done, and it is telling that neither player has gotten an NFL job since. The problem is that center David Baas, Reese's one big free-agent acquisition, has not met expectations, that Chris Snee and Kareem McKenzie appear to be on the down sides of their careers, and there are no young, able replacements in sight. Mitch Petrus, drafted in the fifth round two years ago, is hardly ever active. James Brewer, fourth-round pick this year, is not ready and -- if preseason was any indication -- may never be an NFL player.
So, sure Reese can and should take a hit for some of those decisions.
Back to the question of whether or not the Giants are built to win. They have a roster built initially for the purpose of winning, and built with many of the proper pieces to give them a chance. I think, though, that Graziano is right when he says "this roster just isn't good enough." At least not good enough to be championship-caliber. I believe this roster -- thin though it is in some spots -- is good enough to get to the playoffs.
If they don't make the playoffs it won't be because they aren't good enough. It will simply be because the guys they have left did not play well enough.
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Graziano is just such an Eagles homer I can't take anything he writes seriously
even his points, which may have some validity…the guy’s just such an idiot its really tough to not think all of the stuff he thinks is just a mirage and the opposite will eventually go through.
I mean not built to win? Didn’t do enough? The Giants are 6-5 and talking about what a terrible season it is. Your team, Dan, was the one that did everything it possibly could to win the offseason SB yet is 4-7.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can't figure if DG is an Eagles homer of Jet's homer.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
But are the problems fixable?
Can we address LB, S, and O-line through free agency and the draft next year. I don’t think so. We need at least three O-linemen.
LB requires Goff and Boley to come back healthy, so there's that
Safety requires Thomas to come back to play nickel CB and Amukamara to play on the outside, so then Rolle can play safety..so there’s that.
OL is a tricky one, cuz Diehl was supposed to be good at LG, McKenzie was great last year and Snee was an all pro last year. Do you release everyone and start new?
Seems like the line is really the only one that there’s a true ?.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I don't even know about the line.
Beatty they expected to be good, and he hasn’t disappointed.
Diehl was a guard only a couple years ago, and a probowler at that.
Baas, Reese brought in.
Snee/Mckenzie last year was one of the best right sides in football.
Nobody could have predicted the right side would regress. I think Baas is still suffering from some injury, because he’s had flashes of being real good. Diehl blows. Kevin Boothe is okay. Beatty was good.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Really the best thing to do is focus on LG and RT, since those are the obvious weakpoints
Mack is a FA and who cares what diehl is. I dunno how you go about it, maybe move Baas to LG and sign/draft a C. Then for RT maybe you move Diehl there (he looked good at LT, maybe he’s just a tackle…), maybe a LT falls to you in the draft or is out there in FA and you move Beatty to RT.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
any of those work for me.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree witht hat idea
Hopefully Snee’s regression is a one year thing due to injury or sickness or something.
Even a less than 100% Snee is better than many RGs.
Beatty should start, and Baas can play center or guard. So two spots on the O-line should be filled
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
All of this makes sense.
Though in any Oline scenario we see next year, I hope DD is on the outside looking in
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Mac is at th eend of the line
He had a good year last year but this is his last season. Cannot figure Diehl out but I do know he is no LG. He actually played OK at LT. Maybe RT is the place for him next year.So then you get the best C or LG you can and Baas plays the other.
LB is problematic. Goff is average. No more. No less. Boley is playing well this year but before that this board wanted his head. Who knows next year. While using a first rounder on a good LB is worth a discussion, I certainly expect that somewhere in rounds 2-4 they get a GOOD LB (or two).
JR has done some very good things (read Cruz). I still see this as more TC than JR. McCarthy did OK with a MASH unit last year. That man can coach and motivate players.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
I'm not real high on......
Goff or Boley…….they are decent at best. We need an animal like Clay Matthews Jr……..Somebody who is always around the ball and when he hits you you know you’ve been hit!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Matthews has done nothing this year
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Ha!..watch him Sunday..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
if Tuck had Matthews' numbers we'd wonder if he's injured
…hey wait he is injured.
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Not surprised at your take at all. You were the one who kept saying the O line was fine and that
we didn’t need any “LBzers” or something stupid like that. How’s that working out now?
I felt this was a complete nod to his statements earlier in the season
Maybe I’m off here, but I’ve seen Graziano’s articles as being confirmations of his earlier predictions. He trashed Reese for allowing Smith and Boss to leave (both now suck) and so on, but then the Giants came out firing. He was surprised, admitted it, said he still didn’t think Reese deserved any credit.
Now, he’s saying “see, I was right!” which I find really annoying. Any team (every team) would be losing to the class of the league with the injuries we have. And putting it on the front office takes away from what I think we all agree has been poor player management by Fewell.
Graziano picked the Eagles to be “too talented” to fail in the East. That’s why he wrote articles up until a week or two ago about how they were still in it. They haven’t been in it for a month, they aren’t that talented, you were wrong, move on. You gotta be able to say “hey, i was way off, too bad, let’s just look at what’s happening without trying to fit it all into how I thought it would go.”
I think Dan G is doing ok, this is probably the only complaint I have about him, I like his writing and columns, he’s very funny in the chats.
Can't speak to that
I simply thought this was an interesting question worthy of discussion. I don’t spend much time dissecting Graziano’s point of view, or that of any other writer.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 30, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
no, of course not, didn't mean it doesn't have value
and I agree, it’s a very worthy topic. I happen to agree with DG that with our current roster this is not a top 10 or even 15 team, I’ve said that before.
I just happened to be thinking that the other day when I read something by Graziano, and I had to get my thoughts out on it.
So I guess I’m saying- I think he’s right, but due to injuries, not front office moves.
I always like
how people talk about the issues PHilly has on Defense adn it always comes back to the DC…he plays these guys the wrong way, his wide 9 is moronic, he’s not aggressive
Fewell does basically the same thing, but NO ONE I mean NO ONE criticizes Fewell’s approach outside of the fans
Bob Papa is finally starting to realize it, and he hints at it, but they pretty much leave ADHD alone.
TeamJPP
Easy answer... this is what the NFL opinion is
Its a known fact the Philly defense has talent all over the place and the O-Line/Defensive Coach screwed it up.
Meanwhile… Perry is always the number one head coach candidate every off season, so therefore his scehmes are wanted league wide but that dumbass JR puts the wrong players/less talented in his system.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
PF gets interviews b/c of the Rooney Rule
If he was Portuguese nobody would call him. As it is he calls the D like he is Polish.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
Well he has spoiled any hope of getting interviewed for a HC job..
Because he coaches like Mickey Rooney..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Coached like Andy Rooney on MNF
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Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
yea all you hear is how Coughlin is on the hotseat and we're Eli Manning or bust each Sunday
but its amazing how narratives are tough to overcome.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
KP is he-who-shall-not-be-talked-about
Because everybody here is afraid to admit that he simply isn’t the same player since the injury. He’s had a full season and a half to recover and now facing the possibility that he never will be that player again.
KP is fine
that’s why he’s not talked about.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
KP has been playing quite well this year
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I don't think KP is nearly as bad as he seems
Fewell is so afraid of getting beaten deep that he has KP play 30 yards down field. Look at any game. Before the opposing QB snaps the ball, look for KP. Most of the time he’s not even on the screen because he’s so far back. It’s hard to make an impact when you’re in another zip code.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
did Perry say before the year started
they were protecting his knee last year so he played KP wayyyyy off. And he was going to unleash him this year? What happened to that? I assume its the whole Rolle playing Slot Corner and Grant playing close up.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's because of the lack of a slot CB
but KP is still playing way too far back.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
agreed
Can Rolle finally go back to just being the Safety and have Prince play the slot. Whats the worst that could happen… give up 49 points? Nonsense… the Giant defense will never give up that many points.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we should try running 12 guys on the field for every play.
KP is so deep the officials might not notice him.
It could be worse. I could be a Jets fan.
Kp is one of the worst, if not the worst, tackler on the defense.
fact. How many times do you see him whiff on a tackle? Happens every game.
Graziano makes a few points that are obvious..
But Reese isn’t on the sideline getting the defense lined up properly…There were times when they were bumping into each other..At least on one occasion they even had their backs turned..I don’t care what TC says..this team was ill prepared..that’s why they lost..should Reese take a few dings for not doing a better job for the O-line and LBs? yes…but the Coaches deserve the overall blame..IMO
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It looked like the three stogges out there
Week after week they (the D) are confused and not prepared. It is embarrassing and I cannot understand why they don’t see the problems and fix them. These are professionals, not Pop Warner.
This was not a case where someone stubbed a boner on Sunday morning and could not play. There was time to adjust.
Adjust? Huh? Perry is not good at that.
And yes, in the end, TC is responsible. Good to see others here finally coming to the conclusion he is accountable. Been on that train for a long time.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants have enough talent to win
They need coaches who can better utilize that talent.
The Giants have personnel for press, bump and run coverage and Fewell calls for zone. There are times when zone is best but when you’re facing Brees, a QB with a quick release, you have to jam receivers at the line and disrupt the timing. You can’t let an accurate pick apart the zone for huge chunks of yards.
The Giants have JPP, a top edge pass rusher, and Fewell lines him up at DT. He’s not big enough to handle a guard or center over and over again so he becomes worn down and neutralized. That segues into the run defense. You can’t keep taking your DTs out and still expect to have a top run defense.
The Giants’ strength is having numerous pass rushers. Instead of rotating them and letting them come in waves, too many times Fewell decides to rush only 3 and puts one of those pass rushers in pass coverage.
The Giants were successful under Spags because he was creative with the blitzes. Fewell calls for the same predictable blitzes over and over again so now they get picked up by offenses after seeing them on film for the last 10 weeks. There’s nothing “unique” about the blocking. It’s called making adjustments. Teams have gone to school on the Giants’ tendencies and it’s now time for the Giants to change it up.
Herlich is a SAM LB. What does Fewell do when Boley, the WILL gets hurt? He decides to start Herz at the WILL. Had Herz gotten defensive snaps at the position this season? Oh, no. In fact, Herz hadn’t gotten any defensive snaps for the entire year but Fewell started him on the defense at a new position anyway.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
by GhostDini on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't always agree with you, but when I do
I prefer Dos Equis. I completely agree.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
same here X2
although I prefer Newcastle. Still I’m told I’m very interesting….
Agreed..........
why Herzlich was the only LB NOT to get any defensive snaps is ridiculous!! I just hope he’s healthy enough to play this week. Doesn’t look like Boley is coming back this week.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Mason Foster sucks this year. He's been exposed just as often as everybody else on our roster.
Only reason he’s playing is because Tampa Bay decided to get cute and get rid of Barrett Ruud, who isn’t great, but was still a better option.
There’s a reason why there are almost no 4-3 rookie linebackers that were quantified as “good” in the past decade. Sean Weatherspoon is pretty much the only one, but then again, he ain’t a rookie. I’m not sure I’d trade JPP for him anyway.
And are we blaming Reese for injuries too? Our starting LB corps was Mathias Kiwanuka, Jonathon Goff, and Michael Boley. That looks pretty darn good to me.
On top of that we had Clint Sintim who was doing well in preseason and regardless of your feelings on him, you have to admit he was showing signs of a breakout. Our top backup on the WILL end was Phillip Dillard, which was a 4th round pick.
ON TOP OF THAT, Boley has now been hurt. If you lose two of your top linebackers, this is what happens. Teams target the backups and are oftentimes successful. Look at Tampa Bay’s defense with Mason Foster. Its derpish. Look at the Panthers’ defense without Beason. More herpderps. Look at the Eagles, who have had to start one rookie LB all year. Hurrdurrherpderp.
4th round isn’t high, but it isn’t a low pick either….mid-round is where your backups should be. On top of that, we had our 4 guys (Herz, JWill, Paysinger, GJ53) who are potentially good, and would be awesome as backups. So where exactly has Jerry Reese failed in terms of linebackers?
In regards to safety, if Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips actually played safety, they’d be good. We’ve seen it some last year and in preseason, and they were pretty good. Reese brought in Antrel with a big contract, and KP was drafted in the 1st round and was the nation’s best safety prospect that year. Reese also drafted Sash and brought in Grant as backups. Only reason the playing time is that much is because Rolle has been playing nickel corner.
Your secondary is usually going to suffer when you lose a starting CB, your best dime CB, and quite literally the 4 depth CBs behind him. That isn’t even including losing your 1st round pick at CB for most of the year. Antrel and Kenny and Deon have been forced into too much coverage of a single player for them to be effective as true safeties. It wouldn’t matter if we had Ed Reed on this team.
Also, I love how nobody gives Reese credit for anything either. Steve Weatherford has been better than we all had hoped. Kevin Boothe has been indispensable, who signed him? Or does he not count as depth? How about re-signing Kiwi, and getting rid of Boss and Smith? He knew which one would succeed and which ones wouldn’t.
Also, Victor Cruz and Jake Ballard….I suppose Reese doesn’t get credit for them even though he brought them in. It’s just good luck for the Giants when they do well, but when something goes wrong, there is no such thing as bad luck, and Reese was supposed to look into the future and get all pro players at backup spots.
Quite frankly, in my honest opinion, those criticizing Reese for this mess don’t really know what they are talking about.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Good points
Reese has shown an eye for finding late round talent. As I mention below, we have talent, but it is the coaching. There is no reason why KP and Rolle should be playing out of position. It is up to PF to change his scheme to better utilize his two best safeties. We are not getting the most from our defensive players. JPP at DT is the biggest atrocity in football all year. Yes, I get the gimmick of 4 DEs as the line in passing situations. But that is best used once in a while on 3rd down. Dropping all but 3 sickens me. I have flashbacks of Sheridan and Lewis. JR is NOT THE PROBLEM!
Exactly. Thank you.
The one who should be fired is Fewell, not Reese.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
if you had to pick only one...who goes?
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Fewell of course...
we’re the Giants….we’re supposed to be > Defense
what’s he’s done to the legacy of this franchise (along w/ TC) is unforgivable.
TeamJPP
Fewell has had enough injuries on defense to use as cover.
If the team didn’t lose so many impact players this year and they were performing like this then the cause would be obvious.
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exactly
I’m not a football genius but I can tell you this – if I were the DC of this team I would have completely flipped the script regarding my defensive scheme on MNF. I mean…even the most casual football fan knew with certainty that the vanilla zone Fewell loves would get blown apart in NO. At this point…what does Fewell have to lose this weekend by playing an aggressive game of football?
I’d love to say the Giants being at home is an advantage but it is absolutely NOT. Brees could have told Fewell what plays they were going to run and they still would have probably scored 40+. I can only imagine what was going through Rodgers’ mind watching MNF. I’m sure he thought of a new TD celebration because the “discount double check” may get a bit worn out if he has to do it 7 times. Let’s hope he pulls a muscle putting that belt on early in the game so he has to take a rest. Oh wait…this team let’s back-up QBs live out their “Joe Montana fantasy” whenever they come in. The Giants are a class organization and it’s nice when they do that.
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Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
If i had to pick on of the two then i will pick perry fool to go over kg.
rid of perry fool
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
I have been calling for his head for years
But he will be here as long as TC is here and I happen to like TC.
TC is part of......
the problem. Not the solution. He hired Fewell, Sheriday, Tim Lewis. And with each of these DC’s we have had bad defenses. Don’t forget Mr. Gilbride either. All on TC.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I think they should catch the ball
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
unless its Norv Turner
or maybe we hire an offensive HC who calls the plays like McCarthy or Payton, I dunno how we do much better then Captain Crunch.
I’ve always hated Gilbride but the team doesn’t catch the ball enough to really blame him.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think Tina Turner could do just as well
joking aside…any run of the mill OC around the league would do fine.
I really believe that. I think change is needed at times, especially on Offense just to keep teams off balance.
when I look at how advanced yet simple the NO offense is….I mean, it was eye opening watching them do whatever they wanted w/ any number of recievers. their routes were light years ahead of our WR routes.
TeamJPP
Ha!!..Even as old as she is she still has awesome legs..
She’d kick some asses on the sideline..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
She’d kick some asses on the sideline..
Na Ike Turner handles the Ass kickin in that family.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
yes please
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KG can't run the ball himself.
It’s not Gilbride’s fault the O-Line hasn’t gelled yet and all of our running backs are playing sub par. Look at the passing game and you can see the Giants are playing great football. Gilbride is doing a good job of calling passing plays to keep the defense honest. If our line could open some lanes our offense would be elite.
My biggest issue with KG is
how often do you see Giants WRs wide open with room to run? They are often open, but on the sidelines with little room to make a play. He also doesn’t dictate to the D with our formations. Whats a team going to do with Nick, Cruz, and Barden lined up in a bunch, with Hamm split out on the opposite side? ARE YOU KIDDING! I get a chub just thinking about that formation!
Turn the offense........
over to Eli Manning and the Giants will be better off. He’s a MAN now and knows how to read the D’s so it’s a no brainer at this point. Who would you rather have as your OC?? Manning or Gilbride???
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
KG telegraphs way too many calls
I mean everyone and their mother knows what play he’s going to call in certain situations. The passing game has been a lot better in no huddle and on audible than on set plays. Given the personal, given the problems running kg has shown no ability to adjust. He’s still trying to set up the pass by running, how well has that been working? He needs to use the pass to set up the run, especially with bradshaw out. What it comes down to is KG is a serviceable OC which would be fine if we had an outstanding defense, problem is we don’t. Fewell is still problem #1 for the giants tho.
the big nickel 3 safety set is an abject failure
teams have adjusted and Grant moves like granite
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
oh no don't mention Mason Foster
he’s starting and the guy we drafted is not, so obviously he’s great.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Good points..and your right it is Fewell that needs to hit the road
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All very good points about Reese and he deserves the credit for all of that but
Picks rounds 1-3 should be helping a team for that season; the Giants picks in the first three rounds in the past two drafts haven’t contributed at all during the season they were drafted. The The Giants draft picks are chosen as if they don’t need to contribute immediately and have a team that is building for the future. They may as well be drafting for the future, not the present.
Since 2009, the first 3 rounds:
2011: Amukamara (1), Austin (2), Jernigan (3)
2010: Pierre-Paul (1), Joseph (2), C. Jones (3)
2009: Nicks (1), Sintim (2), Beatty (2), Barden (3), Beckum (3)
Sintim, Barden, Beckum, and Jernigan have contributed absolutely NOTHING. If we forget Jones and Austin who got injured, that makes half of the picks in the first 3 rounds in the last 3 years who have contributed nothing and not because they have been injured.
And Reese needs to address the coaching staff.
When in the games
Barden has contributed
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
actually all of the guys you mentioned who've contributed "nothing" have been injured.
aside from Jernigan who’s a rookie. I dunno what it is about these guys but they weren’t injury prone in college but they come here and they’re always hurt.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
disagree on the first point
I encourage you to go back and look at the last couple years and see how many rookies from the first few rounds contributed anything positive their rookie years. The answer is not very many. Most that did were usually quarterbacks.
Also, we’ve been spoiled by the likes of Jeremy Maclin, Hakeem Nicks, Julio Jones, AJ Green in expecting WRs to contribute their first year. Thats basically unheard of. There’s a reason why those guys are/will be near the top of the NFL in the coming years. They are the exception, not the rule. Manningham did not contribute at all his first year.
Give Jernigan a break. He’s a 3rd round pick at one of the hardest rookie positions to master. You also can’t really call someone a bust until after 3 years. Sintim got injured, sucks but it is what it is. Barden is slowly getting there. Beckum is looking bust worthy.
Also, look at the picks from other teams in the first few rounds. We’ve been well above average in terms of contributors. In fact, we’re near tops in the league. Go look at New Englands 2008 and 2009 picks for example. BB is a draft genius right? Go ahead….I’m waiting….
too lazy? Ok I’ll do it.
2009 (top 3 rounds): Patrick Chung, Ron Brace, Darius Butler, Sebastian Vollmer, Brandon Tate, Tyrone McKenzie.
2008 (top 3 rounds): Jerod Mayo, Terrence Wheatley, Shawn Crable, and Kevin O’Connell
Jerod Mayo and Sebastian Vollmer are the ONLY ones that have lived up as good NFL players. Mayo was a top 10 pick, so it was kind of hard not for them to screw that one up. Chung is average. He isn’t great this year, his first year I believe as a starter.
Everybody wants to criticize Reese on absolute terms. Can’t do that, its just unfair. Have to do it relative to his peers. And he’s more than gotten the job done.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
By the way DVGray, if it sounds like I'm ranting...I am. But not at you or anything you said, just sorted of morphed my reply into one haha.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Reese is not even a concern for me
It’s the Staff starting with Tommy Boy. I will say this again. How the Phuck is Tom Quinn still on this staff? Tc is loyal to a fault he puts loyalty to a terrible coach before the good of the team. That shite ain’t cool. He does this with individual Players as well. He knows this Defense sucks right now but does nothing to help this team. I’m sorry no Playoffs No more Tom and this Staff 3 years of this Shite is more then enough for me.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Good points, and I have thought about that (how many teams have 2nd and 3rd round picks contribute).
You pointed out Belichick and his draft record as an example, but what about comparing other GMs and their drafts? Or looking at players who were selected after the Giants draft picks and how they have turned out and contributed?
Look at who was drafted in the second round after Joseph in 2010: S. Lee, B. Tate, B. Spikes, P. Angerer. Three linebackers who we could have used and could have contributed BIG this year.
Look at who was drafted in the third round after C. Jones in 2010: E. Sanders, J. Shipley, E. Decker, N. Bowman, T. Moeaki, J. Graham. Two tight ends, three wide receivers, and linebacker Bowman, who the Giants passed on in the second (I thought he was going in the second) and third rounds, and all who we could have used and could have contributed BIG this year.
Look at who was drafted in the second round after Sintim in 2009: C. Barwin, M. Unger, L. McCoy, S. Vollmer. Two tackles, a stud DE and a stud RB.
Decker?
Really, the guy who has what 2 catches a game in the Tebow offense?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
For being the 4th WR right now
Barden is conributing. JJ is a rookie and will get chances next year (much like Mannigham did). As for Beckum…. he sucks balls
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
hindsight is always 20/20
Look at each team as a whole. Not who could’ve been there or what not.
Out of those 2nd round picks that you mentioned, only Lee is better. Spikes is average, and Angerer isn’t great. Ask Indy fans how he is. Or look at PFF. He has a lot of tackles because he’s targeted a lot.
I don’t have the time to look it up, but I invite you to look at any other team. Anyone else you can think of. Look at their picks and show me a team that clearly, and by clearly I mean head and shoulders did better, than Reese when it came to drafting in the past 3 or 4 years in the top rounds.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The point is Has he contributed? That's the point--third round picks should contribute
Again, Now Jones got hurt, but what about Jernigan, Barden and Beckum?
thank ye
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Jernigan is a rookie.
Barden was injured and is now starting to contribute.
Beckum hasn’t, and I’m giving up on him after this year if he doesn’t do anything.
Reese missed on a pick, with Beckum potentially. It happens. Nobody is perfect, actually not even close. Look at those people you mentioned found in the draft after we picked.
Those were the only people that panned out in that round, I’m guessing. So only 3-4 people per round could actually be starters. Goes to show how tough drafting is, so when you look at what Reese has done, its astounding.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Someone already did a comparison and Reese is average or slightly above average
and, of course, the injuries to Jones, Austin, and Prince have hurt, and Reese has no control over that.
Yup, right here
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/9/13/2422814/fans-take-evaluating-jerry-reese-a-rebuttal
And it shows that Reese is a top-flight GM.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Needs some updating
Especially JPP’s status
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by Larry Soprano on Nov 30, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of hard to blame Reese for C. Jones
Can’t anticipate a car wreck and many including myself thought he was a great pick at the time.
by G-FANinFL on Nov 30, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
- Amukamara has been hurt, but played decent in his time thus far.
- Austin has been hurt.
- Jernigan hasn’t played much, but he’s a rookie. In Manningham’s rookie year he ran one play. A reverse for -4 yards. Can’t call him a bust yet.
- Pierre-Paul is elite. Fewell just doesn’t know how to use him.
- Joseph is playing great. He’s a solid player which is exactly what we wanted.
- Jones sadly was hurt.
- Nicks has been a star. ‘nuff said.
- Sintim was a bad pick. Hate to say it but he’s a bust.
- Beatty has been arguably the best player on the line and should be a solid fixture for five more years.
- Barden has been hurt most of last year, but this year he’s played well given the opportunity. He’s hauled in some very nice balls. Not great, but certainly not “nothing”.
- Beckum is a bust, and unlike Sintim he doesn’t even have the decency to get injured. Beckum is a bust.
So of our 1st-3rd round picks of the last three years we have two stars, two solid players, three guys who need more time to see either way, two guys who have been hurt, and two busts. That’s not a bad record. If Amukamara lives up to expectations then we have no reason to criticize Reese’s draft strategy.
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My sentiments exactly!!!
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Ugh, would much rather have Foster than JJ
That being said, my one criticism of JR is ignoring the OL and LB in the early rounds of drafts. In regards to LB, drafting tweeners and projects (i.e. Sintim). Beatty was playing solid this year, but unfortunately got hurt. We need about 2 or 3 more Beattys to fix the OLine problem. I think Snee is just having a down year and McKensie is exacerbating that. Snee still has a couple more decent years. I do not know what to make of Baas. I will see a bunch of bad plays then a good one. Diehl is a shell of his former self. I think 2 FA OLs and 1 higher OL draft pick can turn the OL around. Getting a healthy Boley back is key to the LB problem and will be better next year with Goff and the further development of the rookies. Safety is a concern and losing Chad Jones to that accident really hurts. I am not and will not blame Reese. He has done good work in finding us talent. It is up to coaching to shape that talent. For example, Herzlich and JWill have demonstrated athletic ability. It is up to the coaching staff to teach them defensive scheme and reads within that scheme. I have not seen that the information has stuck. Therefore, I blame the coaching and that falls on PF and the LB coach.
Yeah but...
They knew SS was going on PUP list and they didnt think Cruz after injury was going to be the player he is that is why he drafted Jernigan.
by NYG86-90-07 on Nov 30, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Well..
I hated the JJ pick then and I hate it now. My reaction was they were looking for the second DJax, but he is not. I was fine with the WR depth outside of SS and did not think we had to go WR there. Especially an undersized dude from Troy.
I KNow but the Irony of that is
The kid has fumbleitis out the Wazoo right now.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
has anyone actually watched Foster play?
The Bucs defense is probably worse then ours, there’s really nothing different he’d be accomplishing here.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I am not saying he is good
I am just saying that I would have rathered Foster over JJ. At least he would have addressed a more pressing need. Not only that, who is to say that he would not be playing better in a different environment.
I don't know how WR and KR wasn't as much of a "pressing need" as a LBeeker.
Smith obviously is still shot, Cruz was a ?, Barden and Hixon coming off major injuries. We had Nicks and Manningham. Obviously those two, while good, weren’t enough.
We had Goff and Boley as starters. Regardless of your thoughts on them, a 3rd round rookie wasn’t going to start over them. But a 3rd round rookie WR had a shot at the slot WR job.
How it turned out is how it turned out.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I was not (am still not) sold on Goff
I know I am in the minority here and I wish he would have been healthy this year to prove me wrong. I stand by my statement. In my humble opinion, I viewed the LB spot more of a priority over WR then and I still now. That being said, last year I wanted an OL in the first 3 rounds.
SOLD
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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IMO Graziano
Is completely wrong. Injuries have been a huge factor, but the Giants (as I’ve said as recently as yesterday) have better defensive personnel on the field this year than they had when they won the SB in 2008. The problem is style and scheme.
Yes, it would be great if Boley and Goff weren’t hurt. It would be great to have KP and Chad Jones at safety. But there is still a ton of talent on that side of the ball. And Reese did bring in a herd of young linebackers this year, and they’ve played like a group of talented rookies.
his thought proceses about GM duties were exposed this year
If Graziano were a GM, his team would be the LOLSkins from the past decade plus.
He believes in throwing money at names in FA. End of story.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
I don't like to use injuries......
as an excuse but yes obviously they do hurt a team. However, even if the Giants were 100% healthy I still have to wonder with the game planning and preparation if this team would have better results. Using the most recent game as an example, we put NO pressure on the QB so no matter who we had out there, if the DC calls for zone play or whatever, no one is getting to the QB, not even Reggie White. Especially from a 3-4 front that Mr. Fewell likes to throw in there from time to time.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
It's a misleading question
It also doesn’t define what the answer is, or if there are even multiple correct answers (hint: yes, there are). Really, all it’s doing is being Results oriented and not Process oriented.
There are a number of reasons why the Giants aren’t winning at the moment. Injuries are certainly one, we’re pretty sure that poor scheming and coaching is another, but ripping into the Giants linebacking corps when they’re missing two starters is kind of a false narrative. What LB corps in the NFL is really OK with losing two of their best (probably two best) starters? Some fault can certainly be spread around, but they’re clearly good enough to compete at the top level of the NFL (Patriots, close loss to San Fran). This iteration of the Giants with the combination of injuries and coaching and all those other intangibles might not be, but they’re certainly also capable of the win if the processes tilt in their favor more often than not.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions
They certainly
should have had some veteran depth at LB, not 4 rookies. As we have seen recently paying the price for that now. Right now this fan base has to live with mediocrity for the third straight season,
I don’t see how that is a progressive way of doing business moving forward,, buy hey it’s the Giants way, for better or worse.
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by Great Gatsby on Nov 30, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Graziano...let's face it...
has it out for the Giants….his analysis is often one sided and incomplete.
he’s also a Jets fans….so that means he dislikes the Giants. Lossing will do that to a person.
he also just doesn’t know that much about football….but he works for BSPN so that goes w/out saying.
he still think Aaron Ross > Corey Webster.
He think Rocky Bernard is the best DT on teh Giants roster.
and the best part…when you tell him he’s wrong, he takes shots at you and insults your punctuation. Boarderline Troll behavior.
TeamJPP
I've heard Graz likes the Cowboys, Eagles, and now the Jets?
Does anyone really know?
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The OL has issues
but look back to the second half of last season and what happened to O’Hara, Seubert and Koets all in a row. McKenzie was coming off a good season but lets assume you knew his age was going to catch up with him. Pretend you could know that moving Diehl back to guard wouldn’t work as well as you hoped. Even if you knew all that… what would you do about it? You’ve got Beatty… and if you want to start Boothe that makes 2. There isn’t really a good solution to that problem, everything all fell apart all at the same time. What is the suggestion, exactly… draft OL in rounds 1 through 3 and start them all? IMO hoping that moving Diehl inside would work and praying to get another year out of McKenzie seems like a perfectly reasonable personnel decision.
Outside of that, I don’t see anything glaring personnel wise. They could use help at RB, but I imagine changes are coming next season and the RB play is irrelevant anyway given the blocking issues. Complaining about the defensive personnel is ridiculous IMO… even with the injuries the Giants have better talent on the field than a lot of NFL teams.
by Oppenheimer919 on Nov 30, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
My question is
Would the injured starters (TT and Goff mainly) have made that much of a difference, in terms of wins and losses?
I doubt it
Re: depth- I don’t see how u can do much better than the Giants have in terms of back-ups…the rookie LB’s aren’t playing that great but they’re rookies…let’s see what they look like in year 2 and 3
by 18-1 on Nov 30, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes they would.
2 Touchdowns in San Francisco were caused by rookie LB mistakes.
1 Touchdown in Philadelphia was caused by rookie LB mistakes.
8-2.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
No Boley or improved play by young LBs
This season is over.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
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agreed.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I guess
Offense was the problem in the philly game tho…despite the mistakes made on D, 3 turnovers and holding them to 17 points is good enough to win…that game was on the offense
Good points tho
by 18-1 on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
despite the offense blowing
defense would’ve held them to less points regardless. shrugs
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
its similar to that past two years. The defense while incredibly inconsistent and more times terrible then it should be, the offense should get a lot more of the blame.
As great as Eli is, it always seems those first few possessions where we don’t capitalize on a TD opportunity set the tone for the entire game.
We’re never leading in these games. Never up by two scores. Always its either we’re down by a score or two early, or we’re tied.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
yes they would.
Goff is one thing, but Rolle at nickel corner is another, he’s simply not the run stopping monster he was last year and its no wonder we can’t stop the run for our lives. Thomas was also excellent as a run stopper.
So its really 3 players. Goff in the middle, Thomas at CB and Rolle at S. Rolle kind of stinks at nickel CB.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Talent is still there tho
In my opinion we just get outcoached more than anything…I have a bad feeling that the lions will do a much better job on D sunday night vs the saints than we did…and we clearly have more talent than they do
by 18-1 on Nov 30, 2011 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They probably will
but I don’t think you can compare A vs B vs C in the NFL. Some teams just match up differently with others.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Big Barry helped too
Rolle doesnt stink at nickle, take into account he lost 8-10 lbs to play slot as well, so there goes the run stopping.
The biggest lost is Goff against the run though.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Thanks for the heads up, Tuck
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words of wisdom from the Capt
lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure what the hell these guys expect to accomplish by saying that.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Tuck is definitely........
injured. Have to wonder if somehow his brain was injured too!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Thanks for that Justin..you have been embarassing your home crowd all season..geezus
Stop eating at Subway…
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How encouraging
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like he needs a submarine sandwich...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
too bad at the commerical shots
Suh would kick Tuck… then Justin cries in the corner
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit
as if the blowjob implications aren’t enough, they put the word “Blow” right in it… is that a real [redacted] ad?
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
why not just put a condom on the sandwich
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 30, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hell with that..I'll just wrap mine up in a hardroll..She can have at it!!
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Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 30, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
That guy is slowly starting to piss me the............
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Look I know its insulting
But as long as Jerry Reese is the GM of these Giants LB will continue to be a big problem for this team
Couldn't disagree more
No way no how is it on reese that injuries claimed our starting MLB, our top 2 draft picks, Chad Jones, Terrell Thomas, Domenik Hixon, Tuck and Osi, Clint Sintim, Will Beatty, Kevin Baas, Ahmad Bradshaw, Mario manningham, 2 backup CBs, etc.
I’ve done this before but C’MON MAN
This team’s ideal 53 man roster is one of the best in the league. Our backups are good. Thing is, we’re at option 3 in a lot of places: OL (Boothe = #3 center), WR corps (Barden = #5), DL (Tolly = #4) S (Deon Grant re-signing) CB (Tryon signing), LB (Blackburn signing), RB (Scott) …
I mean really. We’ve lost good starters and their competent backups.
Kudos to Reese. Only on the OL could he have gotten more depth.
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 30, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions
Good points but again
Picks rounds 1-3 should be helping a team for that season; the Giants picks in the first three rounds in the past three drafts haven’t contributed at all during the season they were drafted. The The Giants draft picks are chosen as if they don’t need to contribute immediately and have a team that is building for the future. They may as well be drafting for the future, not the present.
The first 3 rounds since 2009:
2011: Amukamara (1), Austin (2), Jernigan (3)
2010: Pierre-Paul (1), Joseph (2), C. Jones (3)
2009: Nicks (1), Sintim (2), Beatty (2), Barden (3), Beckum (3)
Sintim, Barden, Beckum, and Jernigan have contributed absolutely NOTHING.
I don't understand how a rookie is a terrible draftee because he hasn't contributed yet.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Because all rookie WRs
must catch 50 balls for 600 yards and 5 TDs… or else he is a failure
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I do not like the JJ pick...
Not because I think he does not have talent, but we could have addressed OL instead and maybe have a bit better depth than we do. Sintim and Beckum are approaching, if not reached, bust status.
well who could we have drafted for the OL in the third round?
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
James Brewer. Then everything would have been alright.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL We stole him in the 4th and why does Petrus not play?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Yeah but apparently the round you are drafted in instantly makes you better.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would have to go back and look
But I think you are missing my point because you are focusing too much on the player at hand. I did not want us to go WR in the 3rd of last year. My beef is not with JJ, it has been ignoring OL in the top rounds of the draft.
your GM is gonna ignore need
even if it slaps him in the face
I am not knocking Reese overall
Just his handling of the OL. I trust Reese and give him deserved credit. He is not the problem.
I've already looked. I can post it again if you like
but if you trust me, I can tell you that between our 2nd and 4th round pick, there was only ONE OL, Marcus Gilbert, that has actually done decent. But he can’t play Guard, only Tackle. And he wouldn’t beat out McKenzie anyway.
Everyone else drafted there would have been horrible.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
How about in 2010 and 2009?
Look at who was drafted in the second round after Joseph in 2010: S. Lee, B. Tate, B. Spikes, P. Angerer. Three linebackers who we could have used and could have contributed BIG this year.
Look at who was drafted in the third round after C. Jones in 2010: E. Sanders, J. Shipley, E. Decker, N. Bowman, T. Moeaki, J. Graham. Two tight ends, three wide receivers, and linebacker Bowman, who the Giants passed on in the second (I thought he was going in the second) and third rounds, and all who we could have used and could have contributed BIG this year.
Look at who was drafted in the second round after Sintim in 2009: C. Barwin, M. Unger, L. McCoy, S. Vollmer. Two tackles, a stud DE and a stud RB.
And don't start about how Sintim has been injured
He was a square peg in a round hole, a 3-4 LB in college being forced to play in a 4-3.
he cant even catch
how can you say that WR is the most difficult position to learn in the NFL after all the guys you named up above. QB is the most difficult for a rookie to master coming out of the draft
QB is the most difficult yes
but WR especially the Slot is very hard. Cruz said it at the beginning of the year about how diiferent it is compared to lining up on the outside. The guys he mentuioned like Julio, AJ, Maclin were all first round picks, comparied to JJ who was a 3rd. Plus Julio has the benfit of being mostly the deep threat and Roddy White on the other side.
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The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
what about
titus young and vincent brown, they are doing relatively well with their respective teams
they are doing decent for their teams
they have the benefit of being 3rd on the depth charts… JJ at the moment is like 6th
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I said, broskie
Also, we’ve been spoiled by the likes of Jeremy Maclin, Hakeem Nicks, Julio Jones, AJ Green in expecting WRs to contribute their first year. Thats basically unheard of. There’s a reason why those guys are/will be near the top of the NFL in the coming years. They are the exception, not the rule. Manningham did not contribute at all his first year.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Manningham's contribution in 2008
4 catches and an end-around that resulted in an 12 yard loss
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
it was glorious
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Boy do I remember that end around vs. Philly....
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No more score predictions...
those guys haven't contributed due to injury
Nicks, JPP, Anvil and Jernigan are the only ones that haven’t been hurt for most of their rookie year. Jernigan is a rook, Anvil was behind Cofield, Canty and Bernard and Nicks and JPP contributed about as much as you’d expect a rookie to do so.
Lets stop making up reasons to complain. There’s always players taken in the draft that we pass on and would make a great fit here
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
so there's no sense complaining about it then
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
DVGray
the idea that you should have 9 1st-year impact starters from 9 rounds of drafting is not correct.
2011: LOVe the Amukamara and Austin picks. I’ve been saying since minutes after the 3rd round pick of Jernigan that I wanted Foster instead. Oh well. I also didn’t want…
2010: JPP. Starter. Beast. Then Linval is now a starter. that’s 2 of 3 with an injury to a guy who absolutely would be starting right now instead of Grant.
2009: Nicks. No.1 WR. Beast. Sintim, eh, and our starting left tackle.
That’s 6 starters, 1 injury, 1 seeming whiff (Sintim) and 1 insuffucuent data (Jernigan).
It also looks like we’ve gotten a potential all-pro beast in every 1st round.
I feel like you bolstered my point, not discredited it.
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sintim
couldn’t win the starting job last year, and wouldn’t have won it this year, since they decided before
the shortened preseason, that Kiwi was playing LB. Using his injury as a reason is really not
\the reason he wasn’t getting more playing time. Also, the Giants don’t always go for BPA,
it’s more GM speak than anything else, I mean Nicks was a BPA pick? No a need pick after
Per-Plaxico. Barden to a lesser degree was a need pick, certainly not the BPA, coming out
of Cal-Poly, and in the eyes of the GM, a possible replacement for the aforementioned Per-Plaxico.
And as Tommy said, read my sig.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Nov 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Reese force Coughlin to take Spags?
That’s always been the rumor.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
that is the story out there.
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No more score predictions...
The OLine should have been addressed IMO earlier,
especially if they knew that Richie and Shaun were not going to be in their plans! Reese’s mantra going into FA, and after last year was “We gave up too many explosive plays and that will have to be addressed”. Have we given up many explosive plays this year as compared to last? I know we still have 5 games left. Right now if the season ended, what would his mantra be now? I’m not really buying into that we were too thin in our roster in certain places. We only have 53 spots, injuries are a part of this violent game. Just ask Indy, KC, Oakland and a bunch of other teams who have significant injuries to key players.
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 30, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions
I agree about addressing the O-line earlier..
They knew full well they were going to release those guys, and did nothing to backfill them..That didn’t make any sense..and I agree that so far Baas has been pretty much a bust for Reese..I do however think that FA in general is a very risky park to play in..Look at Philly???..They spent all that money for a losing season..We went years in the 70’s signing players that were fried..even the early 80’s..FA is not the answer..Making picks in the draft for the future is the answer..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I question our draft strategy
We neglect OL and LB in the higher rounds because of best player available. We passed on Mason and Sean Lee in the draft who is a baller. We take chances developing 4th rounders into starters when they should be back ups. We will only be a decent to good team
by brandon7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That has always been the Giants strategy in the draft, best player available regardless of need
and then develop the others, which could take years, but gives the Giants a better value in the long run.
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 30, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's a great philosophy to have as long as you don't have critical needs..
That changes the strategic question right quick
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
it really does, that's why you have to draft for needs once in a while.
by oldschoolblue64 on Nov 30, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Reese has said that the Giants
set up their draft board in “neighborhoods.” They might have 2,3,4,5 guys who grade out in the same neighborhood.
When it comes their turn to pick, if there is a guy on the board that is still there from a higher neighborhood, they will take the highest graded player. But often they are left with a few guys to choose from who have graded out similarly.
Then other factors will come into play as position, system fit, intangibles, etc.
In essence it’s BPA, but with flexibility.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Sean Lee vs. Linval Joseph
I guess that’s a tough one. Lee looks like a star and Joseph looks raw in his first full year. I think we needed a DT more then a LB tho if we weren’t gonna sign Bro.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Linval let a QB stiff arm him
how embarrassing
Lee only balled out in his 2nd year.
Some of our LBs have the potential to do the same.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I mean that what you guys
told me about Phillip Dullard and look where that ended up
can only wait and see
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just because an OL is taken in the 1st round does not mean they are worth a 1st rd draft pick
For example: I was very thankful that the Patriots decided to draft OT Nate Solder 2 spots ahead of us back in April. He was highly touted as a physical specimen that would be groomed into an anchor at LT. The pundits thought that he was a Reese-shoe in if he made it to 19 (not sure why considering that at nearly a foot taller than me he has the same length arms as I do).
Now look at him…went from can’t miss LT prospect, to starting RT, to losing his job, to situational extra blockingTE.
The jury is still out and there is plenty of time for NE to try to groom him, but IMO he looks the part that he is filling in now…a really slow TE.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Nov 30, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I agree with that...My point is just zero in on good O-line options..
There have been alot of first round busts over the years..But if I was the Giants, I’d have the Scouts looking at O-line and LB candidates..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
But we can afford to develop a first rounder. There is no pressure to start right away. We have guys who are good enough to start now. If someone gets hurt ( Beatty ) the guy fills in vs Diehl, Boothe, etc. If we develop the 4th rounders we can develop the 1st rounders.
The 49ers have 3 1st rounders on there OLine. Took them a couple years. No wonder there running game is the best in football and an average QB can be effective. Elite teams have more than just tough guys starting.
by brandon7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reese was interested in him
if he were a blocking TE everyone here would be appluading Reese.
by The Cole Train on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I question our draft strategy
We neglect OL and LB in the higher rounds because of best player available theory. We passed on Mason and Sean Lee in the draft who is a baller. We take chances developing 4th rounders into starters when they should be back ups. We will only be a decent to good team because we dont get and develop the most talented players, we take decent players and make our coaches break ass to get them ready.
For example, as much as I like Jon Goff and think he’ll be a good player for us, this formula doesnt work for every player. We NEED Talented OLinemen and LBs. Its nice to develop the undrafted guys, but there is no substitute for talent and depth. The fact that we were 6 – 2 at one point is more of a reflection of our coaches and the players toughness then our championship potential.
by brandon7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
taking OL and LB in the higher rounds doesn't guarantee you of a good player.
While the 2nd round’s been hit and miss for us (aside from Terrel Thomas and Will Beatty, who’s an OL mind you), our first rounders have been money and I don’t think Amukamara’s gonna disappoint there.
You take who’s there for you. And we haven’t exactly been passing up on all world OLs and LBs either. Maybe Maurkice Pouncey here, a Sean Lee there or Sean Weatherspoon, but I could only imagine where we’d be right now without JPP..so F Pouncey.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 30, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
No one in the draft is ever guaranteed.
But, drafting someone in the first two rounds probably has a better shot at success than the 3rd or 4th.
Agreed.......we need
Jerry to draft some LB’s in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Kiwi, Goff and Boley could contend with any starting LB core when they are healthy.
Also i expect Sintim will be back with a vengence…………….and oh yeah Jazquian, Herx and Paysinger have bright futures. Please no LB’z in round one or two.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sintim was supposed to be.......
back with a vengence this year. He may become next years Dillard. Will not be enough room when all the Healthy LB’s are back. I agree about Kiwi contending with other teams as starters but not Boley or Goff. They wouldn’t even get a high draft pick in a trade.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Hmmm
Sintim was coming on whether you want to admit it or not…….also Dillard never showed an ounce of physicality so no he will not be that.
If you think any of those 4 besides Jacquian is going to take Sintims spot then i dont know what to tell you especially since none of them really play SAM besides Herz but ok.
You agree with Kiwi but not with the other two who are better “LB’s” than him right now? really?
I ask you this sir, who would get a high pick in this NFL in return for them if they dont play QB?…. that list is very small so you cant really use that reasoning IMO.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
KP being money
has yet to materialize. All factors aside, it has not happened.
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Naw he's fine though
I have no issues with KP actually, people question his speed but if you see where he starts out and where he ends up you wouldnt question that.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
yeah it sure seems that way.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
We would never gotten Pouncey anyways..
JPP was the right choice..He’ll be a monster soon..and for years to come..But they need to focus on building up that O-line..that should be their #1 priority..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
i really wanna get involved in this debate
i just dont have the desire in me to actually do it. kind of like how the giants players keep saying that they want to win games, but clearly they just exhibit the desire on the field to do it (with the exception of Eli, his receivers, and JPP.
by The Blood of Eli on Nov 30, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions
**clearly they just DO NOT exhibit the desire**
by The Blood of Eli on Nov 30, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
They don't exhibit the ability to line up correctly
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Beasting and wishing he was beasting
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Blackburn should have been added when Goff went down
I’ve been impressed with JWill, the rest have played to the level of their draft status, not the Bomaresque hype on BBV.
It was a gamble to not resign a veteran LB and a lot of us said so at the time. Does it mean Reese should go? IMO No.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Should we tank game vs GB?
Get guys healthy, take a deep breath, play 2nd stringers, prepare for 2 weeks to beat Dallas, get 91’s head straightened out, and give reps to young guys you wanna count on for last 4 games. Why not? Picture scenario: We beat Dallas in Dallas, just 1 game out (assuming Dallas wins vs ’Zona), rejuvenating team confidence, we all get excited again at playoff possibility. Just think worth the risk. Besides, what IS the risk? We will lose to GB Sunday anyway, so might as well conserve our best players and energy. Ed, and you guys, any thoughts?
DavebrownNOT
Never tank at anything.......
Memo to the Giants………Get up! Man up! And get out there and kick the Packers hard and all day long. Enough of the ‘we don’t know what’s going on crap"……It’s pretty simple. Be mentally and physically ready and loaded with confidence. Then go out there and BLAST somebody for 60 stinking minutes!!!!!!!!!
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Graziano knows nothing about......
what he is talking about. The Giants could have put the Steel Curtain out there on MNF but with that Defensive game plan the result would have been the same. Sorry Graziano, the Giants are buit to win however, they don’ t have the Coaching that is built to win. Good news is Mr. Reese can/will make that change in the off-season and bring in the Coach he needs. Only issue I have with Reese is that he doesn’t put nearly enough emphasis on the LB position in the Draft. Jerry waits to the later rounds if at all to pick an LB. I want to the Giants to pick LB’s in the 1st and 2nd rounds until we gat some quality guys. Maybe one of these young pup’s works out, too early to tell but I ‘d rather see LB’s drafted higher.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
Bavaro, Banks, Jennings, Webster......
and if only Van Pelt could be, will be at the Game on Sunday as they are being entered into the Giants Ring of Honor. Maybe they should either suite those guys up or let Bavaro give a Pep talk before the game!! At this point try anything……………Why isn’t Van Pelt in the NFL Hall of Fame?????????
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
I must refer you all to my classic work on the state of the roster:
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/11/8/2547941/the-futures-so-giants
in retrospect, I was optimistic about the ELBEEZ. They should be a B or B+ group next year.
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The shrub is the team, we are the neighbor....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions
wow
somebody trimmed their shrub to look like KEVIN BOOTHE
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 30, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
HA
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Omaha!!..hike the fucking ball!!..geezus I'm getting old here...
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Reece
JR is as guilty as Coughlin,Fewell and all the other coaches.The Giants always look slower than every team they play.The NFL is all about speed,the slow footed big lineman of the Parcell’s era are long gone,in most cases.You need speed at WR,SAFETY,CORNERBACK AND LINEBACKER if you are going to challenge the Packers,Saints etc.
BILL COWHER
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i think the most valid criticism of JR can be made
when looking at the deterioration of the O-line and his free agent acquisitions. Canty, Boley, rolle and Baas are all overpaid for what they have provided. They aren’t by any means bad player’s or bad acquisitions, they just don’t bring the production you’d expect for what the Giants pay them.
The offensive line mess is completely on reese. Diehl hasn’t been a starting quality NFL lineman in quite some time. We all knew O’hara and Richie weren’t going to be able to stick around forever (Mckenzie showed his age at times too) With all these players nearing the end of their careers, we needed to acquire/develop replacements YEARS ago. Besides Beatty (boothe would be stretching it) reese had nobody on the roster ready (or anywhere near ready) to fill these voids. Sadly, I bet we overpay in FA this coming year to address our crap offensive line.
Dan G mentions the Reese free pass from fans
one needs only read this post to see that. It is excuse central in here. Reese shares a chunk of the blame plain and simple. Get off the injury excuse. All teams have injuries and the guys we have injured aren’t half as good as some of you make them out to be. Reese ignored sections of the roster and blew the cap overspending on mediocre FAs, accept it. Time to stop giving this guy a free pass for a SB that wasn’t even his roster.
i agree somewhat
Is reese to blame for all the giants shortcomings? no. But him and TC are in charge…. The buck stops with them and they need to be held accountable and take responsibility for this team. Regardless, win or lose, this team hasnt played at a consistently high level for any significant stretch outside of late 07-early 08. You never know what team is going to show up each week.
Tuck/Tollefson – Canty/Bernard – Joseph/Austin – JPP/Osi – Boley – Goff – Kiwi/Williams – Webster – Thomas – Amukamara – Rolle – Phillips and some Grant at LB/Safety. That’s a pretty good D especially if we could get an OLB so Kiwi can play DE. Must get O-line fixed up and if we can then be a playoff threat. Oh yeah, fire Fewell, Hire Spagnuolo!
by Colefaulk982 on Dec 1, 2011 12:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
WTF????
“reese can and should take a hit for some of those decisions”
huh? he’s the GM. sparky! who else is to blame???
Thank you that is what I have been saying about Jerry Reese
Thank you that is what I have been saying about Jerry Reese for a year bad drafts in rounds 3-7 and no impact free agents.
The GM is total responsible for the team
REESE
Ive said all along Reese is living off the laurels of the SB where all his draft pieces panned out. I loved picking up JPP, but he blew off the LB spot in particular MLB during the draft and free agency, which was the source of problems, he should have went after Greg Olsen, Carlson. I thought he whiffed on Lofa but apparently something is up with him because no one picked him up? I just think REESE is in love with Defensive Ends, they have their uses but when ever the Oline stops their heat the gmen get torched on a regular basis. Should have went after D Ryans 2 years ago, or the kid from Buffalo this year Pos something
He needs to get over himself he gets miffed when questioned about moves or concerning him lack thereof. If Blue fails to make playoffs again he needs to be fired like Coughlin (the team does not hear him anymore and truthfully winnng the SB saved Tom from being fired in 07), Gilbride and Fewell is a disappointment.
I personally think its time for a 34 defense, Canty has played in 34 with Dallas. That defense has been in the SB the last few years, Texans run 34 look at their D ranking, Packers run 34 I think they lead or are second in TOs, Steelers 34 staple, Cowboys 34, Pats for years 34, Greg Williams threw a 34 together for Manning in the SB because great as Peyton is 34 has given him fits
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